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>>37669

Well, that'd be a good argument except… Ozpin did nothing wrong.

>he's supposed to be a subversion of the wise mentor man with secrets ala Dumbledore

It's been a long time since I read one of those but afaik, Dumbledore kept his work a secret because he knew about the connection Harry and Voldemort shared. Any information dumped in Harry would end up in Voldemort.

With Ozpin is different because there's no connection so far. However, the bombshell that is that the greatest enemy of mankind can't be killed is worth to be kept secret to not demoralize your troops. What's the point of fighting a startfish on stereoids?

>melodrama happens to make kids turn on you

Writers fault for not coming up with anything better

>Running away after some kids and a manchild whine at you

It would've been great if he did as another anon suggested; taunt them, dare them to try and beat their asses. Anyways, from this point of view, Ozpin fucked them good by not even attempting to help with Cordovin.

>Have no contingency plan for your minions going out of control

Maybe the only brain fart the retarded duo can be proud of. By their writing, Ozpin believed his men to understand the gravity of the situation

<We are holding hands when daddy comes back home or all of us are vaporized

Still, the fear of Salem killing them first changed their minds

And as Ozpin was becoming more and more used to only work in his academy, he stopped caring about all the other people that wanted to help, leaving them exposed Salem

>>37671

>Well, that'd be a good argument except… Ozpin did nothing wrong.

I didn't say he did. We are supposed to see that he did do something wrong though. The showrunner's aren't skilled enough to have it actually open to debate.

>With Ozpin is different because there's no connection so far. However, the bombshell that is that the greatest enemy of mankind can't be killed is worth to be kept secret to not demoralize your troops. What's the point of fighting a startfish on stereoids?

They should already know that the grimm (who are canonically deadly enough to wipe out villages) have been fought for many many years with no end to them in sight. Salem having some sort of immortality would be a believable guess. Especially from Qrow who would know well from working with Ozpin that returning from death IS possible.

Qrow himself is a shining example of how poorly designed the fallout is. He has been Ozpin's right-hand long enough to know about his leader's reincarnation cycle, the Maiden System, and I'm sure plenty of his boss' shady schemes. For Salem not being killable to be so important to his service yet never show it before the latest season is silly.

>Writers fault for not coming up with anything better

They did though. Covering up Lionheart's betrayal (Qrow could think that any of those casualties the traitor was responsible for could have easily been him or Ruby or Yang), putting civilians at risk knowingly. Even how Raven became one of the Maidens could have been that if they wrote it differently (namely by Ozpin talking her into it like he did with Pyrrha).

>It would've been great if he did as another anon suggested; taunt them, dare them to try and beat their asses. Anyways, from this point of view, Ozpin fucked them good by not even attempting to help with Cordovin.

They still got what they wanted (passage into Atlas). That's a bit of the overall problem with the "RWBY NO TRUST OZ NO MORE" melodrama: The writers won't have Team RWBY fail without Ozpin, but they haven't shown a way for them to believably succeed without him in a way that doesn't make him and Salem look pathetic.

>rest

It was established that that Lionheart wasn't the first to betray Ozpin, and that RWBY is not the first to demand Ozpin trust them. He should know by now that Salem being immortal being known among his allies risks them turning on them, and otherwise recognize his minions can be compromised or quit, and plan accordingly.

>>37672

What they did didn't work since they wouldn't go all the way in having Ozpin as some sleazy manipulator. They try to throw a bone the fans saying he was secretly a villain combined with following the hints that Ozpin was not what he seemed as a friendly old magic man, but try to keep him as a force on RWBY's side (if only through Oscar).

>>37673

I still think the best course of action is not telling anyone that little detail and dismiss any questions regarding it

The only character that ever attempted to kill something immortal was the major in hellsing ultimate, but that universe is wackier than this one, and guess what? They can't kill alucard at all, they just send him to the shadow realm and he escapes like 30 years later

Remnant doesn't have anything remotely similar to what the major used and I doubt there will be an ending with salem killed. Maybe the gods? But it would kill the finale to see her human again, reconciling with Ozpin and leaving for the afterlife after all she has and has been implied to do

>>37676

>I still think the best course of action is not telling anyone that little detail and dismiss any questions regarding it

They found out about Salem's immortality from prying Ozpin over the relic. He could have dismissed concerns by saying that the relic can answer their questions, but has limited uses and so they should think carefully before asking. And also tell them ahead of time they need to hurry with it since it attracts Grimm.

>The only character that ever attempted to kill something immortal was the major in hellsing ultimate, but that universe is wackier than this one, and guess what? They can't kill alucard at all, they just send him to the shadow realm and he escapes like 30 years later

The problem with Salem being immortal being this deal-breaker is that for all her power she was from all evidence prevented from winning all this time. Even with the grimm. The huntsmen should already know that they're warring on an eternal enemy.

>Remnant doesn't have anything remotely similar to what the major used and I doubt there will be an ending with salem killed. Maybe the gods? But it would kill the finale to see her human again, reconciling with Ozpin and leaving for the afterlife after all she has and has been implied to do

Wouldn't be the first forced redemption. It happened with Ilia, it'll happen with Emerald.

Actually thinking about it, what did Ozpin have to lose by telling his subordinates outright that Salem is immortal and commands the Grimm then having the info filter through cultural memory with Salem becoming a Devil figure? They'd already know the Grimm are apparently beyond human ability to end, so it wouldn't be a stretch for their director to be immortal. If anything, it'd make his mission easier since it'd give the world he was tasked with protecting a target to focus on.

>>37683

Well, if you want to straightforward save the world, yeah. this is a good idea

Except it wouldn't work unless it was another deus ex machina

https://invidio.us/watch?v=XG63Ac9u1kQ

The situation in which remnant would be in, would look similar to that of the xenomorph earth outbreak

>Xenomorph propagates through the planet

>Overruns major citites

>Earth is evacuated

>Xenomorphs rule supreme

>The humans left behind go insane

>Some escape to isolated areas

>Some, in exchange for their lives, capture humans to feed them to the aliens

In remnant

>Ozpin makes public the existence of Salem

>Every huntsman academy gives up; not only they are fighting creatures too strong to kill the best soldiers they can train, those creatures are tamed by an immortal madman

>The military tries to put up a stand against Salem

>Each king panics and tries to strike a deal with Salem first

>In society, panic spreads

>Religions are questioned

>Crazies start pointing Salem as the actual goddess

>In-fighting in each kingdom

>The religion of salem appears

>Human sacrifice in exchange of the cultists lifes

>The military is now trying to hold control of the kingdom and the borders flooded with grimm

>They can't

>Military eaten from the inside

>Check-mate

>The surrendering terms are given by salem

>Nobody can do anything anymore

>Now we call papi and kill him for making me inmortal

Of course, this is an angle that we will never see in the canon. RT knows that we need more minutes of cute hand holding and out of place speeches

Oh, and more real life politics, because a KINGDOM is the same as a COUNTRY