/ratanon/ - Rationalists Anonymous

Food tasted better too, you can't even find good ingredients anymore in most places…

The nice side is that we shall soon overcome the need for solid nourishment entirely and that obesity culls undesirables, most fats are lame and it would suck if lack of opportunity masked their lameness.

The diet theory of obesity has some problems. For instance, the weight of *lab animals with controlled diets* is also increasing:

>As were laboratory macaques, chimpanzees, vervet monkeys and mice, as well as domestic dogs, domestic cats, and domestic and feral rats from both rural and urban areas. In fact, the researchers examined records on those eight species and found that average weight for every one had increased. The marmosets gained an average of nine per cent per decade. Lab mice gained about 11 per cent per decade. Chimps, for some reason, are doing especially badly: their average body weight had risen 35 per cent per decade.

>In fact, lab animals’ lives are so precisely watched and measured that the researchers can rule out accidental human influence: records show those creatures gained weight over decades without any significant change in their diet or activities.

http://aeon.co/magazine/health/david-berreby-obesity-era/

Fat people forced to lose weight very quickly gain it back. After they lose the weight, they have the metabolisms and behaviors of starving people. Despite having a healthy weight.

Conversely, people who artificially increase their calories to gain weight, lose the gained weight almost effortlessly afterwards.

Identical twins raised in different environments have almost identical BMIs. "Weight is more strongly inherited than nearly any other condition, including mental illness, breast cancer or heart disease." Another study I found showed the BMI of adopted children was much more correlated with their biological parents than their adopted family.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/08/health/08fat.html?pagewanted=all

>>9903

>Fat people forced to lose weight very quickly gain it back.

And how do they lose weight for this experiment? With a calorie controlled diet.

>After they lose the weight, they have the metabolisms and behaviors of starving people. Despite having a healthy weight.

Fat and ex-fat people don't have the same anatomy as thin people, why would someone expect them to have to same metabolism or behavior? They're a recovering addict and the mental circuits and extra fat cells are still there anticipating those lipid droplets.

>>9902

No food did not taste better. Today's engineered food tastes far better than anything they had back then. That's part of the problem.

>>9905

That's a myth. Some things taste better today but most got heavily optimized for profit meaning addictivenes, ease of transportation, looks, etc. Do consider the degenerate garbage some people eat actually tastes bad to the healthy.

Eggs got worse, tomatoes taste like shit, good bread is nonexistent unless you bake it yourself… Just go somewhere real food still exists and you'll taste the difference immediately.

A lot of plebs did eat very poorly though so I guess it depends on what are you comparing.

>By being confined to a hospital for a months and given very limited access to food. They never would have lost weight if they tried standard diet and exercise advice.

Standard advice is eat less calories and exercise more to increase caloric requirements.

It works, but many fat people can't limit themselves without the external assistance of a nurse strapping them to a bed and taking their food away. And getting fatter makes this harder because fat tissue isn't inert and the body grows more once the existing ones are full of lipids.

If you're not fat-brained you can lose weight fine, but you're probably fat-bodied because you're fat-brained and feedback.

>Very few people have the willpower to voluntarily endure starvation. Why would they? Ancient humans that starved themselves didn't pass on their genes.

How thirsty do you get before you drink salt water? How hungry before you eat poisoned berries or your own offspring? Ancient people with poor self-control were removed from the genepool too.

>>9906

> degenerate

> plebs

*Double checks URL*

>>9904

>And how do they lose weight for this experiment? With a calorie controlled diet.

Sure, if you are willing to spend the rest of your life on a semi-starvation diet that makes you feel cold, hungry and lethargic, it is possible to permanently lose weight. Most people would not consider that trade-off worthwhile even if they had the willpower to hold out indefinitely outside of experimental conditions.

>Fat and ex-fat people don't have the same anatomy as thin people, why would someone expect them to have to same metabolism or behavior?

Because that's the bailey of CICO theory. "Thin people are thin because they have the willpower to avoid overeating. Just eat the same as a thin person and you will be thin, too!" Now that it's been pointed out that's bullshit, you are retreating to a more defensible motte.

http://squid314.livejournal.com/350821.html

http://slatestarcodex.com/2015/08/04/contra-hallquist-on-scientific-rationality/

http://slatestarcodex.com/2017/04/25/book-review-the-hungry-brain/

>>9903

>the weight of *lab animals with controlled diets* is also increasing

Is there a good explanation for this yet?

It is surprising that this has not been mentioned yet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adenovirus_serotype_36

>>14498

800 kcal/day for like a year

Medium Yud