/ratanon/ -Transhumanism is just neo-Platonism.

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Transhumanism is just neo-Platonism. Anonymous 10/21/17 (Sat) 02:15:17 No.10936

The body is unable to sense anything without the soul, as is the soul without the body. Therefore, when the soul leaves the body, no awareness remains. There cannot, according to Epicurus, be any afterlife. Death is a complete stop. This he regards as reason not to worry at all about dying: "death is nothing to us, for good and evil imply sentience, and death is the privation of all sentience." Life can only be enjoyable if one ceases to yearn for immortality, and renounces the fear of an endless afterlife in one or other torment: "either because of the myths, or because we are in dread of the mere insensibility of death, as if it had to do with us." When dying is simply ceasing to perceive, to feel, to be, there is nothing in it to dread.

Death, therefore, the most awful of evils, is nothing to us, seeing that, when we are, death is not come, and, when death is come, we are not.

Therefore, learning to live well is not different from learning to die well - the only reasonable way to prepare for the latter is to make the former, in itself and for itself, the fullest.

http://www.stenudd.com/greekphilosophers/epicurus.htm

Transhumanism is so stupid.

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Anonymous 10/21/17 (Sat) 02:21:14 No.10938

>>10936

Please give us evidence that souls are likely to exist.

Nope. Transhumanism is pretty sane. Avoiding death is one of its goals but not the only one. Competing with robots so that humans don't become extinct is another one. Making humans rational is another good idea distinct from the two above.

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Anonymous 10/21/17 (Sat) 02:38:26 No.10939

>>10938

>Please give us evidence that souls are likely to exist.

That's not the point. This was written 2500 years ago in ancient Greek, you fucking autist. Souls probably don't exist.

>Competing with robots

Futile.

There is absolutely no reason to fear death.

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Anonymous 10/21/17 (Sat) 03:20:15 No.10940

>>10939

Yep I'm a fucking autist. In fact I'm so fucking autistic that Scott permabanned me due to something that is not even malicious that still caused a shitstorm that was completely beyond my imagination. Autism is fucking awesome. Oh and pun isn't intended because I don't actually have fucking sex because sex makes no sense in my selfish point of view.

You are right that death itself isn't what we should be afraid of. However life before death is usually unpleasant enough and lives getting shortened are awful enough that not trying to avoid death is usually a bad idea from the selfist point of view. With transhumanism we will live longer, explore more of the universe and have less pain. We will be able to explore Alpha Centauri or Sirius if our lives can be sufficiently long. That sounds great.

Life is Darwinian and Hobbesian competition. If we don't outcompete robots we will be destroyed or at least lose our freedom. Let the competition begin. We must outcompete robots and aliens.

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Anonymous 10/21/17 (Sat) 03:48:15 No.10941

>>10940

Robots aren't animals and will only be Darwinian if we design them to be. Right now they are complementary with humans.

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Anonymous 10/21/17 (Sat) 09:19:26 No.10943

What the fuck is a "soul"

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Anonymous 10/21/17 (Sat) 16:54:14 No.10944

>>10943

It's the ID INT NOT NULL AUTO_INCREMENT PRIMARY KEY in the cosmic database of agents, apparently.

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Anonymous 10/22/17 (Sun) 01:05:09 No.10945

>>10936

Transhumanism isn't stupid, I'll tell you what's fucking stupid; reducing transhumanism to "fear of death".

A longer, happier, healthier life is better than the opposite. You can't prove that wrong with sophistry about how one should feel about dying.

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Anonymous 10/22/17 (Sun) 01:09:27 No.10946

>>10945

>A longer, happier, healthier life

Says the 300 lbs, pot smoking, basement dwelling beer drinker.

Eliezer Yudkowsky is a fat fuck.

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Anonymous 10/22/17 (Sun) 01:39:23 No.10948

>>10946

Stop ad hominem. The world is already very awful in terms of rationality. Don't try to corrupt our rationalist community together with moralists (mostly SJWs).

Oh and I'm not >>10945 even though I agree with him/her. I'm the resident autist. If this shit continues I will start a recruitment campaign to get real rationalists into my own forum. LW, SSC and OB are lost to dogmatic liberals. I don't want to see this one lost to casual, irrational, low-quality posts.

We must unite and find a way out or elites who believe in nonsense and instill their slaves with more nonsense will destroy us forever.

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Anonymous 10/22/17 (Sun) 04:05:10 No.10950

>>10946

Are you what they call a "rationality-adjacent"?

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Anonymous 10/22/17 (Sun) 05:23:35 No.10951

>>10936

>we are in dread of the mere insensibility of death

You hardly need to "dread" death to want to avoid it in favor of doing other things. Besides, the people who care about you will still be there and be upset if you die.

>>10939

If a treatment became available that stopped aging and let you run a marathon whenever you felt like it, hold you breath for 20 minutes and lift 800 lbs, would you refuse it?

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