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File: 9c71d1a4136be32⋯.png (13.57 KB,418x480,209:240,Crow-1-Red.png)

 No.10894

>Cigarette filters, you find them in the park next to you in the grass, in dirty ditches and under your shoes. What if we could find a way to collect these butts from all corners of our city and precious parks? With crows, that have become perfectly adapted to city life, we can! By training crows to recognize and pick up cigarette filters we can solve this tenacious problem of city pollution.

>http://www.crowdedcities.com

>Slavery is not 'negative reinforcement training'. Indeed, it is possible to be a slave and be rewarded for good work. Slavery is where you have no choice but to work. If the food reward is substantial enough to be worth a crow's while, then it confers a competitive advantage and crows that refrain from this behaviour will face pressure on their food sources from the offspring of the well-fed crows; essentially you've artificially raised the carrying capacity of the ecosystem, for those crows that agree to your "bargain". Effectively, for the crows, the choice becomes "pick up cigarettes or starve".

>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15487285

Thoughts? Is this a fully general argument against domestication?

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 No.10897

Sounds fantastic to me.

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 No.10899

File: b87b4cf111a0cfa⋯.jpg (66.51 KB,800x450,16:9,fruit tree.jpg)

>Is this a fully general argument against domestication?

No it's stupid. It's not even domestication.

>If the food reward is substantial enough to be worth a human's while, then it confers a competitive advantage and humans that refrain from this behaviour will face pressure on their food sources from the offspring of the well-fed humans; essentially you've artificially raised the carrying capacity of the ecosystem, for those humans that agree to your "bargain". Effectively, for the human, the choice becomes "help plants propagate or starve".

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