/ratanon/ -Do you identify more with your nation, your race, your "social class", your gender, your personality type, your fellow rationalists, your political party if any, people in a similar IQ class to you, or a combination of two or more of those? Which groups do

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Anonymous 08/20/17 (Sun) 16:41:16 No.10100

Do you identify more with your nation, your race, your "social class", your gender, your personality type, your fellow rationalists, your political party if any, people in a similar IQ class to you, or a combination of two or more of those? Which groups do you harbour more loyalty towards?

E.g. if you are a white American and black Americans complain about illegal Mexican immigrants outcompeting them because the Mexicans can speak spanish and they can't, do you side with the illegals, like Ana Kasparian, or do you side with your fellow Americans?

What is a rational basis for allocating your loyalty between large, intersecting groups of people like this? Or is the whole concept of loyalty to people you have never met irrational, and should we all be atomised neoliberal globalists?

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Anonymous 08/20/17 (Sun) 16:41:27 No.10101

>What is a rational basis for allocating your loyalty between large, intersecting groups of people like this?

1. What helps you win.

2. Shared values.

3. Likelihood of sustained cooperation.

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Anonymous 08/20/17 (Sun) 16:41:37 No.10102

> 1. What helps you win.

This is an identitarian answer. It is an argument for every member of a recognised "less privileged" group becoming an SJW. Just look at India, where in their version of affirmative action, jobs for the lower castes are guaranteed by law, irrespective of merit. Generally people should support what's optimal at a systems level, even if it doesn't give them an unfair advantage. The neoliberals have at least that part right.

> 2. Shared values.

> 3. Likelihood of sustained cooperation.

Yes. But also, the likelihood of them gaining shared values. And the existence of the infrastructure to promote and maintain those shared values. Such as the nation. Nothing is stronger or more durable than a tolerably well-functioning nation state, that we've yet created. (Religion looked like it might be, but for the most part it's crumbling under the onslaught of universal/Western culture and its cheap alcohol/sex/drugs/technology, and atheist books and media, which is why repressocracies are so desperate to censor the fuck out of all of that.)

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Anonymous 08/20/17 (Sun) 16:41:48 No.10103

>Do you identify more with your nation, your race, your "social class", your gender, your personality type, your fellow rationalists, your political party if any, people in a similar IQ class to you, or a combination of two or more of those?

Identity, in a rough order from most to least: probably my race (white), then my sex (male), then similar IQ, political beliefs, fellow rationalists, personality type and social class. I'm more certain about the beginning of the list than the end. Autism level is not included in the list, but if it was then it would be between sex and IQ or maybe even sex and race.

As for loyalty, I dunno, I don't have a strong intuitive feeling for the concentric circles of loyalty. It's much more system two than that. I have loyalty primarily to my family, then to close friends, and apart from that I try to act generically prosocial out of a sense of duty.

I don't think we should be atomised neoliberal globalists unless maybe Israel gets permanent open borders :^)

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