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For the latter I guess it depends if you're writing something character or plot driven. The former sounds more like a writing exercise than the way that most things get written.

>>61727

Maybe learn the foundations of writing before attempting to let out your inner Tennyson.

>>61727

one technique is give every single character a driving goal even if it is just stay in the chair. every character should want something and be afraid of something. Then your character will find holes in other characters as they all pursue their goals.

work backwards from the ending or write a draft or summary and then figure out how you get there.

some people like a deadline but I don't

also, perhaps making an ending first and then working towards it isn't your style if you are having trouble with it. You may want to start another project and just let the story flow.

If you are stuck on something in the main piece take it for a work in a side piece.

try rewriting the story from another character's point of view.

think about what every character sees.

I hope this helps. Happy to answer more or clarify.

>>61727

also, you can go experimental and throw up your ending first. Do the ending then jump back to how long before your ending and give that time period. D.O.A. 1950 being a classic example.

or give the ending by people being afraid of it.

no matter what it is showing how characters react to it will sell it to the reader/audience

>>61734 exercise? to be logical? first time hearing this

>>61737 tennyson? what? ben 10? lol

what is foundation of writing? mind pointing?

>>61739 all those application i have considered. but it still dont fulfill somehow. letting the story flow should make it easier? i couldnt imagine that since the whole concept is nailed down by the particular ending. it would be outrageous if say ending is "A sitting down in a chair" "have motive" , has beginning of "A was just ran over by a corgi to death" as it will feel forceful and supposedly should be avoided... but had it beeen less extreme of a case i d miss it i think...

again this feels more like finding mood and motivation against possible case of failure... so anything simpler may also help. i guess

>>61740 i always walk. even run.

running away from life that is.

>>61741

>showing reaction = selling

this...i dont get it

>>61757

if it sucks you can always rewrite it or take the good parts.

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I do find good results from writing it down and then working backwards to put in foreshadowing or conflicts that get resolved by the ending.

also consider "the usual suspects" the action of the plot has already happened and we get a version of events from Verbal Kint.

showing reaction = selling explanation

sell in this case means convince.

by showing character reactions ie describing them it is though the reader will accept and digest better than just telling them. the "show, don't tell" bit. let me give you an example

John was sad.

John put his hand on the window frame as he looked over the bay and let out a sigh.

not my best work but you get the idea. but it really is as style choice, very personal. all styles and techniques are tools to get your story across to the reader. if something isn't working try something else.

I don't want to ruin your story but I am curious about the ending. Could you give a few hints?

"you're probably wonder how I got here" start

check out fight club, they give you the ending but you don't understand it until you get back there again.

with the illiad and the oddessy the reader is aware that achilles will die the question is how. so you could give a little of the ending away as a prophecy or a vision or, classic noir, as a dream but things are different.

video is another example of starting with the ending then going back and working forward.

max payne 1. you'll get them point in the first two minutes

but I do hear that you have tried most or all of the techniques before.

detective fiction often works backwards from the ending and mystery writers in general usually work backwards. perhaps there is a quote about that you could find?

>>61758 i feel like i couldnt find a good rewrite no matter what since convention and logic exists but i dont grasp it quite

the ending have like, time travelling bullshit and the middling is supposed to be whodunit mystery and sort of a saga of character growth but i worry since this hasnt been done it might be too outrageous

>>61759 oh lol, yeah that is kinda good...

is there a "way" that the story leads there?

i mean it kinda make sense except a few things like how other characters are so robotic and the whole thing is in his head only anyway... but yeah how did they choose those plot?

>>61761

quote? sorry i lost you.

i dont even spoil/wrote the ending in front... but naturally the other action should lead there somehow

so it s a case of choosing the best building blocks for each chapters within the logical realm than just a prophecy or vision so i dont rely on the "vision" so much and build things from basic logic of sorts...

>>61764

the ending is, I came from the future or I must return the the past to fix all of this by doing one thing?