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>>1430910 (OP)

Can't argue against that.

>>1430910 (OP)

Looks like it…

I am still a skeptic as well. His shift toward Zionist political goals in the past few months is a very serious concern. Iran has not committed an aggressive act against the US in over 30 years. When we attack Iran, we are working for the Saudis and the Israelis (if you still believe these are 2 different groups). "Saving Israel for last" is just way too convenient. We should not be saving the biggest problems for last and in government work, the last thing on the list never actually gets done.

The Q scam has gone off the rails. It sucked people in, gained their trust, and then altered the message hoping no one would not notice. Well we noticed.

>>1431661

>Q needs to be blunt

No, you just need to be less of a faggot.

Lurk more.

Q is a lot of bs lately. ppl blindly worship it coz close to trump. is trump even clean? fuck russia bs, but what about syria strikes and clowns he hired? what about border? what real progress has been made? i wanna see something tangible. not a photo of a building or a piece of paper.

Q believers seem like leftist shills atm. no sense, no purpose, but they gotta be right, coz otherwise it'd all have been for nothing.

>>1460265

If you still need more proof Q is real, you'll never be convinced. Assuming you're not just a shill, go do some more reading. If you are a shill, don't you realize you're goin to hell?

>>1466069

Nobody denies Q is real. It is a real Zionist psyop. Just because Q is real doesn't mean they are truthful in their intentions. A simple analysis of the information says that Q is not being truthful in intentions.

>>1460265

>is trump even clean?

His entire administration is made up of Zionist neocons and Wall Street bankers. So depends on what you mean by "clean." A better question would be "who is Trump serving?" By all evidence, unless you're a Jew he isn't serving you.

>>1467861

well said, i been thinking the same thing lately.

>>1467845

thanks, that's exactly what i meant to ask, but i didn't wanna go too far.

so what now? is there anyone we can get behind? where does alex jones stand?

No need.

Q said Israel last.

Hopefully Trump is playing along just for now and after the corruption of Hilary/Obama and co is dealt with he will move his attention over.

My worries:

1) Trumps business were bailed out by the Rothschild family. (could be indebted?)

2) He seems to genuinely care about Iran being freed from the oppressive regime (it would be great to see) but so far just seems like helping with the Greater Israel plan.

3) Ivanka married a jew (Jared Kushner) and we don't know how much Trump would be willing to help (((them))) for Kushner interests.

>>1446095

>"Saving Israel for last"

The last to remain standing…

Lead your opposition - Sun Tzu

>>1430910 (OP)

Mauro Biglino…

>>1430910 (OP)

>Q is just mossad propaganda

Like to be able to convince you otherwise but too much evidence to support your assertion. Borders more porous then ever, Trump cucking for the jews on Syria & Iran, and it will soon to be illegal to criticize Israel in South Carolina. We'll need a much harder reset than Trump.

>>1467845

Results tell us differently. But you do have a right to disbelieve and spread lies, until someone sues your ass or you are sent to jail for being a Zionist criminal.

>>1474618

results?

>>1474132

Trump is srep one in the overall plan. He drains the swamp.

It is up to us to insure that the next president is in line with assuring that (((they))) never have the power again.

>>1483553

>Trump is srep one in the overall plan.

Ha! What step is Trump's repayment of the $160MM loan to Soros.

when i saw q pushing multiculturalism i knew q was a jew op. the jews saw a growing white nationalist movement and needed to head it off and redirect it back to the jew narrative which is multiculturalism. multi-cult is Marxism and Marxism is globalism. if white nationalism reaches critical mass the jews would be kicked out or ghettoized. so the q jew op set up shop on 4chan which is where white nationalism could gain strength and numbers without the typical jew censorship. nice try jews. but you jew op is over.

Of course, this raises a few questions (the observations on Syria, Iran are valid, and Trump was sponsored by AIPAC - only Bernie Sanders shafted those guys and he got bought out by Hillary with that goddamn mansion).

There's a couple of problems with Q being IDF (could still be neocon, conservative), firstly:

1) Freedom of speech, IBOR would actually *run against* IDF goals to censor criticism of israel (litmus paper test would be to see if IBOR allows this - if it doesn't, Q's a fraud).

2) The forum of choice, both 4chan and 8chan, are the biggest critics of the IDF, israel, etc. It also supports freedom of speech.

3) Trump actually attempted to withdraw from Syria until a mysteriously well-timed 'gas attack' of which evidence is lacking, coupled with an undemocratic attack occurred. Why even bother with the withdrawal, given IDF want to overthrow Syria? Q seemed to be taken by surprise by the 'gas attack' - first using the withdrawal as evidence Trump was peaceful, then earmarking the intel was good. If Q was Mossad, and Mossad staged the attack, why did Q not see it coming? Russia, on the other hand, saw it coming miles off.

4) Q's knowledge centres heavily on American politics, and does appear to have some sort of 'inside track'. Unless he's an IDF mole (which is a massive problem if so), I can't see how the IDF would have inside track on American politics (but be oblivious to israeli manipulation in Syria).

5) Photos shown appear to be consistent with diplomatic travel on Air Force one. Again, not really IDF's domain (unless again, IDF mole).

6) Only IDF support is so far: bible quotes (Christian Zionism), cancelling Iran, attacking Syria, not attacking Russia (israel ally). Unfortunately, this is also a perfect pattern match for a US neocon warhawk. Judaism uses the torah, old testament shit, and Zionists really, really hate christians (Christian Zionists are 'useful idiots' for them).

7) IDF's attack pattern tends to be; trashing white nationalists, berating any jews who don't support israel as 'self-hating jews', applying the holocaust card (being a victim is apparently carte blanch for being a total murdering assholes to others, apparently), attacking anyone defending palestinians (especially false association by insisting everyone in the Gaza STRIP is Hamas - that'd be like saying everyone in America are billionaires because Trump is in power), whinging about rockets/nuclear weapons, trashing Iran, and defending any israeli aggressions in other countries as 'justified' (whilst playing victim card - again - for any retaliation to their attacks).

8) Q's attitude reeks of military patriotism (could be IDF), but the kind of patriotism you'd see in the US military. The problem is the patriots of old were exactly the kind of people who would shun the military 'patriots' of today (the former were forced to defend their country, the latter wages war against civilians and other countries alike, like the British did against the Americans).

If the photos are legitimate, then Q is an American politician or US military agent of some sort. IDF wouldn't be going around photographing Foxxconn plants (China is something of an indirect ally for them).

I think Q is an American politician who is being manipulated by AIPAC into 'useful idiot' status, who naively believes they (the politician) are doing the right thing.

But I think my opinion is moot. Same difference, right?

>>1518926

>muh jooo

kys faggot

>>1534366

FO kike

A better discussion is rather than saying 'Q is <insert bad thing here>', asking:

1) What will you do if that turns out to be the case? (There's a lot of momentum here for a change for good, and seeing that wasted would be a bad thing)

2) What will you do in the meantime until said proof comes along? (As in: what will/can you do to impede a possible-IDF shill whilst enabling a possible-whitehat?)

My goal here is to encourage the adoption of precisely the things that benefit everyone (right to freedom of speech for the internet, exposing corruption, etc), and discouraging the adoption of the things that harm everyone (EG discouraging war waged without democratic vote).

Minor disclosure: I opposed the Iran deal, but only AFTER I discovered Iran took the money but wouldn't let nuclear inspectors on site (I throw caution/bullshit at the israeli missile hyperbole). I originally supported negotiations with Iran, but as Trump does point out - no-one knows what the full terms of the deal were, which is circumspect as shit.

Iran's reaction of 'death to America' after simply withdrawing from (basically) a negotiation/trade deal (renegotiation was offered - look it up, Iran rejected it) just cemented that. Normally I see America as the bad guys, this is the first time I saw Iran as violently threatening in response to a negotiation withdrawal.

Still don't approve of war with them, or interference in Syria.

>>1534427

>My goal here is to encourage the adoption of precisely the things that benefit everyone (right to freedom of speech for the internet, exposing corruption, etc),

All that is secondary. Our race is under attack. That has to be the primary focus right now. We our dangerously close to losing it all. If we don't back the Jews off, America is over.

Propaganda indeed.

I wrote a response to the thread proclaiming anyone's doubt about Q being "entirely fabricated" (refuting the premise) only to discover it was locked:

https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/1530489.html

Did plan to create a response thread in regards to the now mysteriously locked, censored and pinned thread, but attempting to create a thread results in nothing happening (most curious).

Looks like this board isn't pro-freedom of speech after all, especially when it comes to critique.

Where's IBOR in Q's own domain when you need it?

Which I might ironically point out is, at time of writing, locked, and thus prevents dissenting views and thus freedom of speech (I thought Q supported freedom of speech?).

Rebuttal:

"Lets be real clear about the entirely fabricated doubt surrounding Q's authenticity"

My doubt isn't fabricated - unless you're saying Q's words supporting the Syrian war missile strikes were fabricated.

You're confusing people's doubts about *Q's intentions* with the validity of the information source. They are not the same thing. Physically existing is not a precursor to having good traits.

The source looks real - like Edward Snowden - and the information looks real - like Edward Snowden.

However, people doubt the intentions of both (and anyone who says they have no doubts of any sort are, quite frankly, liars - skeptism is natural). Q can indeed be real, and on Air Force 1 (and as you say, possibly even a mole or insider), and even photographing from seat row 5, column A (the front section of AF1, according to my analysis).

However their physical presence - like mine - is not a guarantee of integrity. Hillary Clinton exists. Jeffrey Epstein exists. Their existence does not preclude any necessarily positive traits.

And humans are fallible, and will make mistakes (Q has now said he made a mistake on the password change, but in another post insists it was intentional and planned - a contradiction).

People's doubts aren't 'is Q real?', their doubts are the same they would have of any political or public candidate of any sort - 'do they have my best interests at heart?'.

And not even you can ultimately know if it's true or not. We can only find out in due time and course by observation. I have my doubts, but I'm observing. I will not be lulled into a false sense of security by groupthink of any kind (the media tells us not to doubt their intentions, and you're telling us not to doubt Q's intentions; I'm going to take a rain check and doubt both).

If Q does good, I intend to support. If Q does bad, I intend to impede.

Helping others freedom of speech - good.

Declaring war undemocratically on other countries that don't pose a threat to us - extremely bad.

So far, only one of those has occurred.

My doubt about intentions is thus far, not fabricated, and not disproven.

Anyone care to name a positive event that has occurred under Q's watch that isn't someone being fired and getting away with treason scot-free?

>>1534484

TRUTH? Does it exist?

In response to the <Q's Authenticity> thread that is stickied and locked and also this thread.

I have one point on how some people could still be suspicious of Q. When Q states "we have everything", so does everyone else in intel. All those photos Q has been posting could be coming from that material. The fact that Q is posting them doesn't mean they belong to Q. Remember don't just drop your guard and blindly follow Q. Question everything. That's what makes anon great.

>>1534484

"All that is secondary. Our race is under attack. That has to be the primary focus right now. We our dangerously close to losing it all. If we don't back the Jews off, America is over."

You might have me at a loss (or perhaps assumption) when you say "our race", unless you mean "human race".

Contrary to your opinion, I have to mildly disagree. The Zionists are actually losing.

Members of the Jewish community actively condemn their actions (even Natalie Portman snubbed an israeli-based award for becoming 'politicised'), with Liberal Jewish groups at the forefront of exposing the violence (the BDS movement is their own brainchild).

On the other side, Russia's presence in Syria has complicated what seemed like a 'straight forward' overthrow attempt. And the warmongering is extremely unpopular in both the US and the UK (43% in the UK oppose any sort of war in Syria period - this was even *after* the aforementioned 'gas attack').

If Trump is their, ahem, 'trump card', they would have had to have rigged the electorial college vote (Trump lost the popular vote but only by the narrowest of margins, democrat voter fraud by bussing in illegals shifted that line).

The border policy is an anti-thema to their multi-culturalism policies, and I think ultimately the multi-culturalism will backfire, because it's going to bring people closer to palestine than further away (at the same time making multi-culturalism a hated beast).

They presently sit on or near an earthquake faultline, and they have a nuclear reactor.

If America ultimately rejects them, they're going to be in an extremely bad spot (which is why they're trying to buddy up with China as a 'fallback').

If they 'win' the Syrian war, they will piss off Russia. If they 'lose' the Syrian war, they piss off the Syrians and lose their border gains.

If America gets involved in Syria and starts a fight with Russia, they get nuclear war (which means they definitely lose, even if they don't even get directly nuked).

If popular opinion swings against them (which is it), they get cut off from support from foreign countries (israel does not have a self-sustaining economy, which is why it's such a massive aid leech on America). Boycott movements make this even worse.

Any attempts to impede BDS or silence critique just goes against them.

If Q is propaganda, it's the most desperate propaganda yet - being forced to reveal insider information *just to gain trust* on a messaging board.

It's probably their effort to maintain a swing vote to keep Trump in power by manipulating the most vocal internet base (it's clearly not because of freedom of speech - see my other posts).

If Q is a psyop, it's a massive gamble to take.

If it gets exposed as one, it will be a massive online explosion, the likes of which you have never seen.

Imagine the backlash of duping an entire board of the same group of people who became Anonymous.

If it is a psyop, it is going to crash and burn hard.

>>1534767

"Question everything."

Which was even a remark made by Q, as a circular reference.

"The fact that Q is posting them doesn't mean they belong to Q."

I was planning to raise this as a counter-point originally, but seemed a bit nitpicky and technical (because it violates Occam's razor).

The contradictions in Q's posts could be explained if the Q account was maintained by more than one person - especially the inconsistency on something so recent as the password reset.

But then "that just raises further questions", to quote Futurama.

It's not like Q needs immunity from criticism, so the thread defending Q being locked and pinned seems facetious, especially when Q advocates being wary of who you follow (Q included?), asking questions and key point: freedom of speech.

Seems to be perfectly able to counter assertions made by Alex Jones as and when it suits Q, and I can't see my own observations of a 'lack of action' being an impedence. I wouldn't call pointing to a load of dead people as evidence of success, so much as failure (if they're murderers, did their murderers ever get prosecuted, and if so, where's the arrest record?).

I'd need something better than calling people 'clowns' as a rebuttal, though.

>>1534867

KEK

>>1534867

At least this thread allows a rebuttal post.

Which is more than can be said for the "pro-freedom of speech", pro-Q thread.

I look forward to other random acts of restriction and censorship! Not at all like twitter or facebook here, nosirebob.

>>1534905

I was under the assumption that Qanon was more than one person. Some of those posts are not only meant for us but the Q team in general since some of the comments get rather intel technical and aimed at others in intel. All the Qanons could be using it to drop communications to one another for us to pick up on and dissect.

>If Q is a psyop

Let me touch upon that as well. Even if it was a psyop, it's the manner of psyop that is what's important. Is it a psyop to keep us asleep or one that is to wake us up. Like the old adage fight fire with fire. You need a good psyop to counter a bad psyop. A psyop that deprograms the previous psyop.

Bottom line is that when people hear psyop they have the immediate tendency to think of it in only in terms of it being bad.

Also, because you guys applied censorship to your threads, I have to point out you all missed a trick.

Firstly, Q highlighted part of his own tripcode:

https://qanon.pub/data/images/44820740f0d4027bb8208b57be1973bffb8db0ab55ba19d5b4546b832836d457.jpg

Specifically the part that says "Dx5". AKA, D5.

Which is their way of dropping a massive hint about the comms method. Second, in the very picture you post of _AF1_5A_2 in the Q authencity thread (you guys really do miss the forest for the trees), you can see a distinct set of fingers in the bottom left, reflected from the AF1 window.

The fingers are of the left hand.

They are white.

They appear to be that of a male.

How many males sit in the forward section of Air Force one?

Q is literally trying to reveal their identity to you.

>>1534942

>acts of restriction and censorship

That's the reason Q came to us in the first place. We didn't do that. We are open free thinkers. We can tolerate dissenting viewpoints as well as positive viewpoints. We are not afraid to contemplate all spectrums of debate.

>>1535062

"That's the reason Q came to us in the first place. We didn't do that. We are open free thinkers. We can tolerate dissenting viewpoints as well as positive viewpoints. We are not afraid to contemplate all spectrums of debate."

When I can post rebuttals to comments in the authencity thread, then I'd consider it free.

Also, Trump is right handed. Unless the picture is mirrored, it means whoever is using the phone to take the photos is likely not Trump:

http://www.ibtimes.com/donald-trump-left-handed-8-presidents-who-were-lefties-including-obama-2468776

>>1535012

"I was under the assumption that Qanon was more than one person. Some of those posts are not only meant for us but the Q team in general since some of the comments get rather intel technical and aimed at others in intel. All the Qanons could be using it to drop communications to one another for us to pick up on and dissect. "

I'm used to exposing shills and agents. Usually though I appeal to their humanity to do the right thing (they know they're trying to deceive me, and they know that I know they are). Some actually crack, others leave their jobs, spill the beans.

Q's writings do seem intel-ish. The castle, red green etc stuff is intended for others, clearly. Other parts are built for beginners.

I'm on the fence, pushing from both sides to see which way this Q stuff leans. Even if it's Trump on AF1 himself, if he's doing undemocratic war then my answer is still no.

"Let me touch upon that as well. Even if it was a psyop, it's the manner of psyop that is what's important. Is it a psyop to keep us asleep or one that is to wake us up. Like the old adage fight fire with fire. You need a good psyop to counter a bad psyop. A psyop that deprograms the previous psyop.

Bottom line is that when people hear psyop they have the immediate tendency to think of it in only in terms of it being bad."

That only breeds distrust on both sides. Antidote to deception is honesty.

I've only used psychological techniques if there's no other option or I'm out-resourced (EG MK-Ultra antidote).

I still avoid it like the plague. Better to educate - breed immunity by osmosis of knowledge.

Q could be good, could be bad. I'm only going to support the good elements - freedom of speech, honest research, the will of the people, that sort of thing.

>>1535101

I'm not one of the ones who cares who Q is. All that matters is the information that is dropped. The data is what's more important. This is as it should be.

>When I can post rebuttals to comments in the authencity thread, then I'd consider it free.

That is true. Have you tried to make a Q Authenticity Rebuttal thread?

>>1535168

" but attempting to create a thread results in nothing happening (most curious)."

I would gladly, but I appear to be prohibited from airing my views (I've tested the thread creation thing in two browsers - it doesn't work in either, and I have created a thread once before, so I know it wasn't originally disabled).

>>1535190

I never said "Q's a psyop but it's a good thing.." (you're quoting the wrong post for that). I said all psyops were bad, sans 'no other option'.

"So that means the second this Executive Order is revealed and matched to the one we've seen for half a year now your whole argument falls apart."

My argument is Q is a fallible human being who might not necessarily have our best interests at heart (you're conflating doubt of authencity with doubt regarding intentions).

MacArthur was authenic when he said to nuke China, it doesn't mean his intentions were good.

"It means we've already won ; )"

Oh I wouldn't be so sure. Syria is still evading you, and to misquote a bad phrase "you haven't even seen my final form yet".

"Q has always been the result of hard work done by our intelligence communities."

You're admitting Q is an intel agency psyop? Or Q is controlled by intel agencies?

Same guys who gave us Iran-Contra, Vietnam rapes, 'it's not torture, it's enhanced interrogation' and mass surveillance coupled with mysterious deaths and people 'accidentally' falling out of buildings?

What was the new name of Project Stargate anyway?

>>1535271

Oh then go on sir.

March further into your blind oblivion.

Go you.

>>1535285

KEK

>>1535285

Ridicule, the last refuge of a man with no argument. The KEK spammer is a nice touch, too.

Carry on with your censorship. Intel agencies so advanced and yet still can't refute the basic musings of a mere civilian.

>>1535344

Are u a libertard? I liked your post frankly. The kek was my disagreement with the rebuttal. Calm down lets stay together. Yes I am new to post. So much HATE here now.

Revised IBOR:

1) Freedom of speech, except when critical of Q or intel agencies.

2) Right to privacy, except when critical to intel agencies

3) ???

4) Profit

Also, one problem with all those executive orders is they can all be revoked the exact same way, and your gambit is relying on Trump getting re-elected, which given the previous close call, might not be the best gamble to take.

But hey, you're intel agencies right (like, err, the FBI, the CIA, the NSA - all of which Q lambasts… shit guys, keep it together), absolutely no way anything you do could ever go horribly wrong or get accidentally exposed.

So, let's reask:

Besides people getting fired and getting away scot-free with treason, name one positive thing Q has done?

We'll add 'KEK spam' to the list, not sure how well it'll fly as a 'positive thing'.

>>1535417

Well you arrogant PRICK. It has given me HOPE personally so just DEAL. I've been on here since it's conception but watched only. I trust NO ONE except my better half. No one in government pays the price. YOU ARE A DIVIDER SO NOW KEK is meant against you. DEAL.

>>1535471

"Well you arrogant PRICK."

Like I said before, asocial, blunt and honest.

"It has given me HOPE personally so just DEAL."

If you put your hope into someone who betrays your trust, that isn't my fault. If Q is a bad guy, attacking me won't solve that (unless your goal is denial or to bury the truth so you can keep a fantasty going).

"I've been on here since it's conception but watched only."

You're clearly interacting.

"I trust NO ONE except my better half."

Who is your better half? People are equal.

"No one in government pays the price."

Right. And who promised that they would?

Q.

"YOU ARE A DIVIDER"

Jesus was a divider too. Fathers against sons and all that jazz.

Q clearly doesn't read the very bible he claims to profess.

Honesty does not come at the cost of compromise or conformity.

"SO NOW KEK is meant against you."

You can kek all you want.

Q is taking credit for events he didn't even start.

"DEAL."

No deal, as Noel Edmunds might say.

1990s trump owed 4 billion rothchilds bail him out

there are no coincidences

>>1430910 (OP)

Q the jew

>>1430910 (OP)

any phenomenon that draws the minds of the collective is either created by the tribe of taken control over by the tribe

>>1534799

>when you say "our race", unless you mean "human race".

I mean white race. "human race" is marxist egalitarianism bs.

>>1537289

Put that meme on the Q meme board. those folks need to wake up!

>>1537653

>>1537653

Ditto!

Having reviewed the evidence, I'm confident Q is actually Trump (which explains semi-neocon approaches), and is actually somewhat fallible.

People who had concerns about the Syria missile strike, I strongly believe Trump was misled by mil-int ('good intel') and had trusted them. The Iran situation is a harder read as there were legitimate reasons for cancelling it.

This discovery doesn't change any approaches (other than I might be more *direct* in addressing Trump specifically or treating Q as Trump, however I've been pretty direct with Trump previously, even being bold enough to throw white house letters at him regarding FBI corruption).

That said, to be clear:

1) I will still support good actions, and

2) Oppose bad ones.

I'm still very angry about the undemocratic missile strike on Syria. I would like to publicly request Trump implement a law like what UK parliament are planning on doing to require/mandate a vote prior to any strikes.

Even if this results in inaction, I'd rather see too much inaction when it comes to blowing up things and killing with more power to the people, than the usual status quo of 'what any president says, goes'. I bet if you poll Americans, a lot are opposed to any sort of outward war.

Of course, there is the ever annoying issue of forcing representives to actually, you know, represent their people.

Regardless, I'm convinced Q isn't IDF per se, but Trump is under the thumb of AIPAC, and they have a very vested interest in Zionism.

You might want to research how many different types of Judaism there are, Trump (Orthodox, Ultra-Orthodoxy, Liberal, ones I can't even name that involves accepting being in exile until the Messiah returns, etc), Zionism is actually relatively minor. It'd be like saying Anabapists represent all types of Christian.

Why Zionism has been conflated with an ethnicity or a race I'll never know. Surprisingly, there are Jews who think, you know, God should be the one to reinstate israel, and not say, a bunch of thugs armed with guns killing an oppressed group of people.

(Palestinians also share DNA with their israeli counterparts, with some speculating they might constitute part of the original israelis and thus you might be ironically murdering the very people you should be protecting. Just saying)

Anyway, AIPAC stuff aside, I'm confident Q is Trump.

However it's evident Trump can and has made mistakes, as all humans are want to do.

I hope he's ignoring the TPP lobbyists, because goddamn do they want to give corporations the ability to sue government (read the leaked greenpeace text) if they don't rule in their favour.

IMF and International Trade Dispute Resolution service both do the same thing already.

Both are bad. Both are corrupt.

>>1537080

"I mean white race. "human race" is marxist egalitarianism bs."

I figured that, but I'm one of those annoying types who think skin colour is superficial (I'm pretty sure I have a mixture, even if I appear 'white').

Now, a person's actions, that's what matters to me. If Zionist israel is keeping a 'nuke the world option' (AKA Samson Option) on 'hot standby' in-case they lose a war, that shit makes me uncomfortable.

See, Iran and North Korea seem reasonable in contrast. They only threaten those who aren't their allies. Zionist israel threatens *everyone*, even those who it calls allies - because their egotistical view is you should have saved them prior to them getting beat in a war.

Only psychopaths share that kind of behaviour, and Iran 'only' threatening America seems almost reasonable in contrast, which is a huge warning sign that actually, no, it's horribly wrong.

I think most people make the mistake of thinking they don't share the same concerns. Isn't it interesting how left-leaning 'Marxist' liberals AND white supremicists are both opposed to ZIonism despite being opposed in spectrum on every other topic?

As an apolitical person myself, it's a very fascinating thing to observe. People are fighting amongst themselves for things they actually both want.

Think about it. Liberals want freedom of speech in oppressive countries. Conservatives want freedom of speech in their own country. If Liberals supported wholly free speech in current countries, it'd naturally propagate to freedom of speech in other countries by way of role model and behaviour emulation.

Or the fact Trump and the left don't want war, but they're trying to achieve the same goal by different means. The left try to use bribes and deals, the right uses force and threats.

It's crazy, you guys have a lot in common with your fellow man, but an argument in semantics forces you all to see things slightly differently.

Or how about this: the left want wages to improve, but open borders immigration causes said wages to deflate, so it's actually in their own interests to have decent border security to increase wage prices naturally.

It's a strange, strange world.

>>1542951

I don't have anything against people of other races, but people of other races are being used as a biological weapon against white people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYag1lOZpLw

And race does affect behaviour, compare a typical Chinatown with a typical ghetto, for example.

>>1430910 (OP)

I will say this, if Q is indeed Mossad, then we are out of our league. It would have to be the most well written and executed psyop in history. If Q is Mossad, the western goy is lost.

>>1546884

I don't think the utilisation of other races is a biological weapon so much as a strategic one harking back to Roman empires of old: 'divide and conquer'.

By trying to flood multiculturalism (and the key here is differing cultures), coupled with absurd political correctness (the kind that allows pedophiles to go scot-free because they're of a protected race-class or ethnicity minority) allows a country to be internally divided against itself.

Essentially, whilst we're all too busy fighting each other, globalists, israel etc can continue their crimes unhindered. Liberals are being directed to waste their time on minority white supremacist numbers and conservatives, and conservatives, liberals.

Whilst fighting each other they are not able to engage external issues. For example, as noted, various parties agree Zionism is an issue (even Jewish organisations), with the exception being neocons and Zionists themselves.

However those same groups are fighting each other over trivial meaningless things. Statues, for example (they've been there centuries, haven't done shit to anyone), or who should have won the election (rather than say, fixing what is self-evidently a plainly broken election process - everyone basically agrees the system is open to abuse, however they try to define which are acceptable based on who they support: no abuse is acceptable).

Meanwhile, israel is free to trigger proxy wars, take more Palestinian lands. Corporations are free to drop wage rate payouts by hiring illegal immigrants at pay rates that would make an African cry.

As someone who is apolitical and tries to manipulate both sides to greater good, I find the concept that everyone basically agrees but in 'different ways' to be fundamentally absurd.

Two ways to defeat the scheming:

1) Find common ground you can all agree on in some form and all work towards it (I cannot think of anyone who would be logically opposed to IBOR regardless of political ideology, unless it's pro-authoritarianism or pro-corporate),

2) Start solving the problems you agree on so the only issues left *are* the trivial ones

>>1547541

I would disagree. If Q is a psyop, and people believed Q on pre-face without skeptism, they are the same kind of people who would follow a well-written Alex Jones (AKA controlled opposition), or a well-written Russian news source.

Said groups can provide some key insights (aspects western media wouldn't even cover, for example), but they all ultimately have a vested interest. Everyone does. No-one can truly say they're wholly impartial.

Anyone who blindly follows someone on the basis of trust rather than independent assessment, would have fallen for any number of classical tricks.

Skeptism isn't merely something you say, but a thing you must practice at every turn. Ask a few questions, doubt a few things, pick it apart.

For me, I'm merely engaging on the topics of interest (rather than offering any full blown support). Exposing pedophilia, researching topics, drafting up revisions of IBOR (arguing for/against why those provisions are needed) - something I would have done anyway, but perhaps without group support.

In contrast, attacking Syria I'm always going to say no to. War these days is often touted as a first resort measure, when in reality it should be last resort. WW2 wasn't triggered until after Nazi Germany had invaded *several* countries. We should hold the same level of reservation in all conflicts.

Presently, if police shoot civilians it's sufficient grounds for America to bomb shit - something I notice it doesn't do to itself. There's no restraint, and no measure of diplomacy, negotiation, pressure.

So I'm not sure, even if Q is a psyop, it has people fooled. I think most people are here for the things they agree on. A lot of people dissented to the Syrian action, myself included.

I'm not keen on the group pressure tactics of silencing dissenting voices being implemented, either. I notice the Q dick sucking authenicity thread is still locked - I'm guessing they're not in a position to handle counter-assertions (or they're too afraid of them).

Not a sign of someone who has the truth.

>>1556403

>>1556403

> Find common ground you can all agree on in some form and all work towards it

This fight must be singularly focused on putting jews on notice while waking whites up. Everything else, especially Q, is a diversion and a waste of time.

>>1535062

This post makes me feel like I belong here….

But I shall continue lurking until my skin is much thicker.

Previously I said:

>>1535417

"Also, one problem with all those executive orders is they can all be revoked the exact same way"

…Well, seems like I got a response to that:

"Republican senator from Idaho says President Trump, Vice President Pence and Secretary Pompeo have committed to putting any deal with North Korea in a form that can be submitted to the Senate as treaty, which unlike the Iran deal couldn't be walked back by executive action."

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5790987623001/?playlist_id=2114913880001#sp=show-clips

Note the above is from "outnumbered overtime" (according to the main page).

Key line being:

"which unlike the Iran deal couldn't be walked back by executive action."

I see what you did there.

Certainly not propaganda, that's for sure.

>>1534427

The goal remains the same no matter what. Civil war, genocide of all ethnic Jews, and dissolution of the USA. This requires conditions for revolution to be met.

>>1534799

>You might have me at a loss (or perhaps assumption) when you say "our race", unless you mean "human race".

>reddit spacing

>Namefagging

Kill yourself kike, and save us the trouble of cracking your dome later.

>>1534659

>People's doubts aren't 'is Q real?', their doubts are…do they have my best interests at heart?'.

Exactly.And I will add, Q mixes fact with fiction. Gives people enough fact to keep them hooked.

Using your joo board to test embedding.

Why should we change your mind?

If what happened since the election hasn't convinced you already then only full disclosure will.

>>1584877

Oh threats of violence, how wholly unoriginal.

I'm surprised you were even able to use your keyboard inbetween the periods of bashing your skull against it. I'm surprised cavemen like you even have computers, maybe you simply devoured the remains of an Apple Mac owner and then proceeded to bash your club against the keyboard until it accidentally posted here.

>>1585465

That's my issue with Q.

There's one thing to Q's favour which very few liars have pulled off - there is accuracy to his statements (including signalling the US were going to attack Syria prior to the declaration, for example).

But the inconsistencies are perplexing. Some of the strike me as rearguard justifications (for example, claiming the leaking of the password was intentional retroactively after claiming it was an error).

However, it might be Q is deploying a pokerface in that they're lying initially on some key points in order to fool malicious people (IE suggesting the password drop was an accident - just to see who would try to steal it in order to impersonate Q).

There's many levels of manipulation. I find the fastest way to defeat any psyop is to stick to one's own moral convictions and guns (that does mean not trusting anybody) and not compromising on any element.

When the psyop finally 'veers off track' it will starkly contrast to your own convictions and beliefs.

The difference between a psyop and a person in error is the latter will be amenable to some form of change or challenge. Psyops have to follow a particular script or achieve a specific goal, and are pretty rigid.

Half of the time, I'd run roughshod over US mil-int shills by simply using unorthodox arguments (which none of their scripts have a pre-scripted rebuttal too). Often, rookies would just try to shoehorn the closest matching rebuttal, which when contrasted to the actual argument seemed out of place or wrong.

A lot of people are interactive. Most of these accounts behave as though authoritarians. You wouldn't accept me barking orders down your throat, so why accept anyone else?

Your mom is just a whore. Change my mind. Kys

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>>1603433

>When the psyop finally 'veers off track' it will starkly contrast to your own convictions and beliefs.

It was a sucker play from the start. Its 'veer off track' was pre-planned but it didn't work out the way the originators anticipated. There aren't many people left are supporting this Q narrative anymore. It has been exposed as a jew propaganda psyop as expressed by the OP. Q's push for multiculturalism, support of israel, and attacks on 'profiteers' were some of the clues.

>>1606090

you and your namefag sockpuppet can STFU.

>>1606133

Truth hurts. Q is a jew propaganda operation and has been from the start. Q wasn't hijacked as some folks speculate. It was a sucker play. It first established a level of authority to gain people's trust. It mixed just enough fact with fiction to string people along. And then switched the narrative hoping people would continue to blindly follow behind the pied piper. Few have. So the Q jew op was a flop.

>>1440335

Not an indictment.

>>1534323

This guy is rational.

What a fun little thread.

TL:DR version for folks not wanting to skim through all this, OP has a different opinion than most, therefore he is correct. He has no sauce to provide a single theory he has, but expects you to provide him with proof against his unfounded claims.

Q started something. Realistically, the most radical thing Q can do is not come back. People will get frustrated. Frustration leads to actions, actions leads to changes. Your entire thread is based on another assumption that "oh no we are all gonna die cause Q isn't real".

If Q is BS, US will march and protest the cabal. Italy is a fine example of what people can achieve when they come together in real life.

Nice echo chamber you made for yourself. Stop being so agitated.

>>1607286

>TL:DR version for folks not wanting to skim through all this,

Here you go folks. Q said it so it's true. Be good mindless passive sheep. Q demands it!

>>1607898

so nice of you to be concerned for me. how much do I owe you for your 'free' advice on my well being?

>>1607898

Mindless sheep follow your order. Anons follow truth.

Q is a direction toward truth. You take it or leave it. No tantrums thrown when people question him. Q does not impose opinion.

Try harder.

;)

>>1556403

Divide and conquer is the short-term goal, the long -term goal is the dilution/mixing of all races into a biege-coloured average 90 IQ untermensch, with no tribe, no history, just worker/consumer drones.

The elites routinely use the Hegalian Dialect as a tactic.

Example 1: thesis: Conservative, anti-thesis: Labour, synthesis: 3rd way (think Blair, Cameron, May).

Example 2: thesis: Capitalism, anti-thesis: Communism, synthesis: Globalism.

In this case: thesis: native populations, anti-thesis: immigrants, synthesis: a biege-coloured average 90 IQ untermensch, with no tribe, no history, just worker/consumer drones.

And the vast majority of non-elite Jews are on board with this, perhaps only subconsciously, becasue they know if they can weaken other groups while retaining their identity and high IQ, it will be good for them.

It's a basic law of biology that 2 subspecies can't live in the same environment because they would be competing for the same resources, sooner or later one will wipe the other one out.

>>1608284

>how much do I owe you for your 'free' advice on my well being?

Just don't fuck the country up any more than you have. That's all the payment I require.

>>1610066

>And the vast majority of non-elite Jews are on board with this,

I can confirm this assertion with personal experience. It is the very rare jew that puts the interests of their host country over their tribe. When push comes to shove they are jews first and their loyalties are aligned as such. This is why the only solution to the JQ is expulsion.

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