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Highly dubious. The whole thrust is to erase most history and make everything about a Russian-Mongolian golden age. I don't see any reason to find this credible, having perused the methodology.

>Most people balk at uncertain knowledge but I feel being able to leave things open, if and when you truly don't know, is a virtue.

It's foolish to apply this principle rigidly. "Being open" logically leads to paralysis, if you let in every contradictory theory and let them all have equal time… Who would want to lead discourse into a state of paralysis?

Not sure how much here is the real story - about the real politics around the royal house of Orange. Certainly there are massive rumors that they are Cain-a-BALS. So the story about what the public did, could be an inversion / mirror; where they, in the historical narrative, blame the public for what is done by the elite? Or the public were imitating their "royals?"

We know that people in our own day make fun of and torment the handicapped. "Back in day" in England it was a picnic outing to go to Bedlam and to watch [and make fun of, throw things at, etc., - as toward cruelty to animals in a zoo] those suffering from psychosis

It seems there are still humans around who are like that - or they are LARP-ing here on 8chan to make it seem like there are?

copied from general

https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/1346880.html#q1347478

"(((Does history repeat?)))

▪The Souvenirs of Public Political Executions?▪

QUESTION: Mr. Armstrong, I believe you mentioned at one of the conferences that the Chinese dragged a member of their high court out into the square and set him on fire in his judicial robs. Am I correct in that statement? When was that exactly?

MS

ANSWER: You are not far off. Zang Tang (? -- 116BC) drafted the laws under Emperor Wudi (Wu-ti) ( 漢武帝) (141-86BC), and made treasonous thoughts (CONSPIRACY) the death penalty, was eventually he himself compelled to commit suicide as his view of the law led him to be the most hated among all of the ministers under Wudi. Yet the minister Chao Cuo (? – 154BC) under the previous emperor Ching-ti (Liu Ch’i)(157-141BC), earned the hatred of other ministers after he introduced 30 new laws.

The outrage was so intense, he was dragged out and executed in his judicial robes in the town marketplace. There was far greater resistance toward changing the laws in China than there was in Rome. These incidents of publicly executing ministers who tried to make the laws even harsher were not unique but became far more common in China compared to the West.

Still, that is not the worse of such events to drag public officials out and execute them. Back in 1672, the Dutch killed and even ate their Prime Minister.

(((I wonder if some people who hate Trump that much would not do the same today and CNN would probably broadcast it as a special event.)))

Back then, the Dutch House of Orange was the nearest the republic had to royalty. They were at war with England and France and the effective Prime Minister was Johan de Witt. He was seen as being supported by the merchants who profited by war.

Johan de Witt visited his brother who had been arrested on trumped-up charges of plotting to assassinate Willem of Orange. During a visit with his brother in prison, on August 20th, 1672, a mob gathered outside the prison and then stormed it taking both brothers who they then hanged and then mutilated carving them up. Willem never prosecuted anyone for this event which made it appear he sanctioned it.

Nevertheless, what has been handed down in history is accounts that (((some among the mob were taking parts of the bodies, and eating them. One man is even said to have eaten Johan’s eyeball.)))

This may sound very gruesome. Nonetheless, the culture at that point in time was extremely cruel. It was a common practice for people to keep souvenirs of public executions.

There were accounts that (((the beheading of King Charles I of England was accompanied by people dipping their handkerchiefs in the blood of the king.)))

https:// www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/politics/the-souvenirs-of-public-political-executions/

>>1347558

There is way too much detail in too many places for it all to have been fabricated. There are buildings that are older than 1649. People in Britain have traced their family line to the 1200s. There are kings lists with written records from the times of the kings and physical evidence for their battles taking place where and when they said they did. The Italian Renaissance was going on, all of it producing evidence of the earlier times.

Scaliger was a real person who lived and died 100 years before 1659.

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Julius-Caesar-Scaliger

What "Hollywood" does:

"Dreams feel real while we're in them,

It's only when we wake up that we realize something is actually strange"

And you can extrapolate to what they do to the culture / society that affects politics and everything.

"We create the world of the dream.

You bring the subject into that dream

and they fill it with their secrets"

The participation of the subject deepens the trance - "I was there - I saw it on TV "live""

Is it what we see is there? Or what we believe is there, but isn't..?

>>1339409

Unless you can give me a convincing reason up front to do so, I'm not accepting a rewrite of history that erases most of it and attributes every good thing to a RussoMongolian golden age. You'll just have to make more effort to sell this thing, although it is beyond me what reason you have for thinking anyone will even be slightly distracted by this.

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VERY IMPORTANT

1611 Bible translated

1684

14 Books removed out of all versions from GOD'S Bible by a group of men.

[It was never intended to have a "new" and "old" and separated books].

Why? --Replace remove God and truth. Feed you lies and deceit–

How many times in history has the Bible been burned, outlawed with death sentence? How many millions murdered? Still today? Why?

--Fragment him into a thousand pieces inside our brains according to their plans to destoy–

Future proves past. SEE how good it worked?

Where's Book of Enoch Jesus read?

Where's Book of Jubilees?

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Didn't fit their narrative

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READ BOOK OF ENOCH

(they thought they destroyed all copies. God thought better)

Preserved for you in 1773

PDF free online.

You deserve the truth

>>1339001

GOD is the only just one.

GOD does not lie.

GOD says Trust NO man,

especially his books. Not credible then, not credible now.

Just another CORSI effect.

This is deception. False narrative.

That's why it's "uncertain"

BS

>>1351561

Funny, that guy with his head carved by some other guy looks amazingly like Zuckerberg. Probably related. Just bring the BS forward, and there you have today.

LESSON: The idea is to get out of the grid, not bring it forward and take a bath in it. But then, alas, they do control what you're allowed to learn.

In real time. Lol

>>1351659

Another thing sorely set aside, Jesus did not come to start a "new" "religion."

They want us devided. What excuse do they nurture to start wars?

>>1351662

>>1351662

Somewhat, but face of "Constantine" is way wider. Who knows who that is authentically a portrait of? May have been a good guy? Who knows?

What was my point with the collage?

Was there a contradiction?: "Constantine" was a King who headquartered in [what is now] Istanbul .But the coin attributed to him features "Romulus and Remus" which is alleged to be the myth of Italy, Rome. ?

>>1351701

Simple for me. I only believe God. If he said it, it's reliable knowledge. If I need clarification, I ask him for it.

Why reinvent the truth? That's what got us in all this mess. Men's words have become doctrines of their own truth and myths. They love making their money over books, even since ancient times.

>>1351739

Have you noticed it's all the same symbolism whether on coins, murals, earrings, jewelry, etc., carried down through time all these years. Present age is the same, just with tech and new age marketing. Better to kill us with… same goal, same enemy.

>>1338310 (OP)

It's nice to see this thread and other people who have at least looked into all of this.

I have been studying the New Chronology and doing background research for some months now. I want to create a comprehensive and understandable narrative of what has happened but it's a Herculean task and we really need a coordinated team of people who can research specific topics and report back.

I have been focusing primarily upon early European contacts with North America and the early history of colonial Virginia. 1649 may be an important date, but the Reformation and wars of the 1500's were already destroying a lot of important history.

After the 1600's, printing presses and growing literacy in Europe is what I think finally ended the church's ability to make up bullshit at will. Having to integrate into the global historical narratives of foreign civilizations probably played some role too. I'm no expert on Chinese history but I know that Chinese historians and western academics still argue about the extent and antiquity of Chinese civilization as well. India has similar problems and sub-Saharan Africa has basically no written history at all until European contact. Chronology is screwed up across the board.

Someone please organize a team of people to research specific areas and report back so we can amass research more quickly.

>>1339001

A "Russian-Mongolian golden age" isn't what I take away from Fomenko's work, though I can see how you would interpret it that way since Russia is elevated compared to its supposed total lack of civilized history until ~900 AD. He has also done a lot of work in regards to Arthurian Britain and German history.

I don't agree with everything he writes though, especially when it comes to catastrophism, because he is apparently a gradualist and doesn't believe in a recent global flood/catastrophe.

>>1347565

There was also at least one popular song during the Vendee revolt of the French Revolution about eating the livers of the enemy.

Remember that the Romans are said to have civilized these people; before that they were pagans who practiced human sacrifice in Gaul. Acts of cannibalism are likely related to the practice of human sacrifice, and both seem to be related to the story of Christ's sacrifice and also the Communion tradition of partaking of the "flesh and blood" of Christ (bread and wine).

>>1348508

No one is saying nothing happened before 1649, merely that the chronology is wrong and things have been misdated. Principally we are talking about the misdating and even outright forgery of "historical documents" during the medieval period. The fact that the Catholics forged manuscripts and virtually everything else during that period is indisputable. The question becomes how much you are willing to trust the Vatican and Israelis, or even the English in Oxford and Cambridge, when they announce to you the date of a given document, and swear to its authenticity.

Dead Sea Scrolls are a relatively recent example of documents being discovered, then hoarded by the Israelis for years before finally being shown to the public. No matter what date is assigned to them, you can trust the authority of the Jews and Catholics at your own risk.

These most famous documents are usually famous precisely because the information they purport is so little evidenced elsewhere. How convenient!

>>1339409

Again, a mischaracterization of Fomenko's work, and just shows you haven't actually studied it in any depth.

>>1351697

Modern Judaism looks as though it actually post-dates Christianity, but this is a very complicated subject and depends how you define religions, because of how much they've changed over time. Original Christianity was much more pagan in its practice than what it became after the Catholic Church recreated it. The Catholics just white-washed over paganism and morphed it into something that allowed them greater political control over different tribes/nations in Europe.

The transformation of Christmas and Easter into "Christian" holidays is perhaps the most classic and obvious example. They were pagan observances recreated by changing the symbolism around, and changing the narrative.

HEY FAGS ANSWER ME THIS

If I have a website put up to collect and organize serious research from Anons and anyone else, similar to an academic journal but without the pretensions, with free and open debates between participants in the form of submitted papers, would any of you be interested?

>>1351561

I'm suggesting that this appears to be a highly dubious theory, based on RussoMongolian nationalism. The methodology looks inadequate, the reasoning incomplete. If anons waste time on this, they may as well waste time on numerous other pseudo-theories. What good is that?

Meanwhile, we know we are under attack. And we know a prime method of attack is to spoof anons, create fake discussions that make the whole community look uneducated, credulous, and stupid. We know about that, right? So we need to maintain high standards.

The RussoMongolian golden age theory looks like bullshit, brought here with the purpose indicated above. I suggest you give it up. The insistence just makes the AI nature of the whole thing more obvious. Stop the bullshit. Just get out of here. You've already lost. You can't control things anymore.

>A "Russian-Mongolian golden age" isn't what I take away from Fomenko's work, though I can see how you would interpret it that way since Russia is elevated compared to its supposed total lack of civilized history until ~900 AD. He has also done a lot of work in regards to Arthurian Britain and German history.

The fundamental methodology of assuming his pattern-matching trumps every other form of evidence is highly crappy. Feel free to make an argument in support of it, but I don't see how you can. The whole thing is built on a painfully thin premise, and demands massive revision across countless fields.

>>1352117

Repeatedly characterizing Fomenko's work as "RussoMongolian nationalism" is retarded.

How do you reconcile your talking point with his work on Arthurian Britain, the Holy Roman Empire, Catholic Church, Vikings, and all the other non-Russian/non-Mongol subjects?

I don't think you have actually studied any of this in any detail because you never gave it a fair shot in the first place.

>If I have a website put up to collect and organize serious research from Anons and anyone else, similar to an academic journal but without the pretensions, with free and open debates between participants in the form of submitted papers, would any of you be interested?

How would one know this wasn't a honeypot?

>>1352147

You mean feel free to make an argument as to how statistical analyses are more reliable than a bunch of historians huffing and puffing?

I would be wasting my time. Anyone with a brain already knows that the subjective methods used by historians are extremely fallible. When statistics were introduced into economic history alone it was a revolution in the study of history.

When historians at Moscow State University told Fomenko that he couldn't apply statistical methods to history, I love his response. He told those historians that they didn't have the mathematical expertise to tell him when he could apply statistics, and when he could not. And he is right about that.

>No one is saying nothing happened before 1649, merely that the chronology is wrong and things have been misdated. Principally we are talking about the misdating and even outright forgery of "historical documents" during the medieval period. The fact that the Catholics forged manuscripts and virtually everything else during that period is indisputable. The question becomes how much you are willing to trust the Vatican and Israelis, or even the English in Oxford and Cambridge, when they announce to you the date of a given document, and swear to its authenticity.

As if historians haven't been asking those questions for the last two centuries? So you need to argue not only that we are to casually discard EVERY claim that contradicts Fomenko out of hand, but that we can likewise dismiss the claims of every historian of the last two centuries.

>>1352166

Any website could be a honeypot. I'm going to put that site up eventually and if you think it's a honeypot then just move on to something else.

If there is enough interest to generate ANY thoughtful discussion on this subject then it will be worth it.

I'm not interested in convincing everyone at this stage. I'm only interested in amassing research and data and organizing it so that a more complete picture of what has happened can be mapped out.

>>1352197

First of all, you've over-reacting and being super dramatic. I believe most data compiled by historians and archaeologists is still useful, just misinterpreted in order to fit into the Catholic narrative.

Give me an example of a modern historian's work and I'll give you an example of how this works in my view.

Second of all, yes, lots of people can in fact be very wrong. This may be a striking concept to you but most people in general are really fucking stupid. On 8chan of all places I wouldn't think I'd need to hash this out in detail.

>>1352177

>You mean feel free to make an argument as to how statistical analyses are more reliable than a bunch of historians huffing and puffing?

What on earth are you engaging in such rhetoric for? Are you saying all historical research and writing is "huffing and puffing"? What grounds would you have for such a blanket condemnation?

Just because statistical analysis is cool and useful, doesn't mean you can just invent a principle (as Fomenko has concerning the patterns he uses), apply statistical analysis to it, and then make big leaps to paint a whole new picture of everything.

>I would be wasting my time. Anyone with a brain already knows that the subjective methods used by historians are extremely fallible. When statistics were introduced into economic history alone it was a revolution in the study of history.

Not a thoughtful or remotely reasonable way to approach things. The question of the philosophy of history is a vast one. We can hardly tackle it here. Suffice to say-- unless you fomenkoize it with principles you invent for the purpose, statistical analysis gives you certain useful insights to supplement historical narrative, but without narrative, what is history? And narrative REQUIRES a certain degree of filling in the blanks. And here you are, a raging demagogue, atttacking the whole thing, and demanding us listen to your RussoMongolianFomenkoism. You are far too insistent on pushing your view.

>>1352239

>I believe most data compiled by historians and archaeologists is still useful, just misinterpreted in order to fit into the Catholic narrative.

Yes, but why would anyone believe such a wild claim, based on the woeful basis Fomenko offers us? Stop preaching and make a point that an intelligent human might find compelling.

>Second of all, yes, lots of people can in fact be very wrong. This may be a striking concept to you but most people in general are really fucking stupid. On 8chan of all places I wouldn't think I'd need to hash this out in detail.

What kind of argument do you think you're making with this rhetoric? Why are you pushing so propagandistically? What's the rush?

>>1352213

>Any website could be a honeypot. I'm going to put that site up eventually and if you think it's a honeypot then just move on to something else.

KEK. That's not reassuring dude! I'll sign right up, because you're obviously on trustworthy. kek

>>1352242

>What on earth are you engaging in such rhetoric for? Are you saying all historical research and writing is "huffing and puffing"? What grounds would you have for such a blanket condemnation?

More or less yes. History is not a "hard science" and everyone knows this.

>Just because statistical analysis is cool and useful, doesn't mean you can just invent a principle (as Fomenko has concerning the patterns he uses), apply statistical analysis to it, and then make big leaps to paint a whole new picture of everything.

Since you like the "argument" of appeal to authority so much, what makes you more competent to make this statement than a tenured professor of mathematics at a major university?

>And here you are, a raging demagogue, atttacking the whole thing, and demanding us listen to your RussoMongolianFomenkoism. You are far too insistent on pushing your view.

You are literally crying because I state my opinions here and you don't like them. What a bitch.

>Yes, but why would anyone believe such a wild claim, based on the woeful basis Fomenko offers us?

You've already made it abundantly clear that you have a very poor understanding of his work. Not surprising when you never took it seriously to begin with.

>What kind of argument do you think you're making with this rhetoric? Why are you pushing so propagandistically? What's the rush?

How am I supposed to argue my views? With apologies and pleas for forgiveness? Fuck you off you stupid fag.

>KEK. That's not reassuring dude! I'll sign right up, because you're obviously on trustworthy. kek

There is literally nothing I can say that would "prove" any site I would set up wouldn't be a honeypot. I am beginning to think you are a fucking shill now, because you are way too fucking stupid.

>Give me an example of a modern historian's work and I'll give you an example of how this works in my view.

Will be waiting for you to try, you shill faggot.

I love it when shill faggots breathlessly troll threads that normal people would just ignore if they didn't believe it. I love it when you invest so much time and energy into shit-talking something you literally have no fucking clue about. It gets my jewdar going hard.

>>1352080

Are you kidding? The Catholic Church paganized, hijacked, and totally fucked over God's truth. They literally changed his Word, his ten commandments , his calendar, and more, and replaced it all with pagan false gods, practices and holidays that when truly researched reek with satanic beliefs and rituals. Easter and Christmas are just two examples. Christmas is the sun's birthday from Roman times. Jesus was really born in September (our calendar). They took out the 4th Commandment REMEMBER the Sabbath and the part about no images (because they worship and prayer to lots of image) and split a Commandment to hide it. Then Constantine, a pagan sun worshipper, made Sunday a day of rest for sun worship on Mar. 7, AD 321 (notice satanic feasts dates) They outlawed God's seventh day in AD 364 (by penalty of death, murdering thousands in the early church). The Sunday Law.

I found this out about 10 years ago, realized my parents (and the world) were deceived. Hard truth. Another red pill.

Q research confirms the satanic nature of the Pope and Catholic Church.

Sheep led astray… so easy. unsuspecting. Lie upon lie, generation upon generation, that's how satan works it. A few centuries go by, and who cares, right? History is manipulated. He makes it look kinda like the truth, everyone everywhere tells you the truth, but he adds and subtracts so it's not.

SHEEPLE ACCEPT NO QUESTIONS ASKED.

Lose your "religion."

ALL CONTAMINATED, CORRUPT.

I tracked since America's beginnings, the money used to startup all religions Christian, Watchtower, Morman, Baptists, etc., even Billy Graham tours, all financed from the Masons, freaken Roth's and Rockefeller and committee money from bloodline families in the 1700s 1800s and 1900s. And churches, all organized under IRS regulations. Then came Hollywood. Go figure.

When did the Bible get hijacked? Already had it going on in Europe. NWO.

Start over with God only, and very avoid new age translations of God's Word because it's not so much.

>>1338310 (OP)

I think the hardest thing will be to grasp the breadth of the lies and untruths thrust on mankind back through time as we know it, and to actually accept that truth. You are right it will be very voluminous undertaking because truth says by its own definition, there is only one truth. Thus the question raised in antiquity is that that very "truth" has been hidden, covered in lies, twisted and manipulated to the right and left to achieve each authors agenda, whether a historian, Statesman, philosopher, scientist, etc., and whether grounded in myth, fascination, made-up bullshit, depravity or self-gratification, or some other "accepted" truth, that's what's provable, that's what all your books will show.

Truth as determined by man has been hacked. History has been hacked. Science has been hacked, even theory based physics as we know it (as we have been told) has been hacked. And that is the whole point of God's teachings. Trust God. Do not rely on man for the truth. God invented science and physics, time and life energy itself. Everything. Perfect food just didn't happen. Jesus is what holds all things (atoms) together. It's not really like the Big Bang Theory they pound into your head. Figure out who's been lying to you and why. SEE what they've been hiding.

Truth is light. And there is only one source. And it's not found by sorting through man's lies, though I suppose it could be useful to identify the obvious lies-- After all, aren't we doing that here? Going back hundreds of years, a red pill for a lie? And they just keep coming.

"Get up sleeper! Arise from the dead, and the Messiah will shine on you!

Ephesians 5:14

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Until there is a better option, people can post any information they have on this Voat subforum, /v/chronology

https://voat.co/v/chronology

To the OP and anyone else interested in chronological revisionism, there don't seem to be that many of us interested in this stuff. Take a hard think about claiming a focus on some particular area of history, and let's start sharing and organizing information.

>>1352080

Fuck yea. I wanna know everything

>>1352080

This is how God uses me. I keep asking praying and begging for truth and knowledge. For the secrets of the Universe. After all he is the King and Creator of the Universe. So I do what he says gets you knowledge. I read his WORD over and over again from front to back, year after year for over 10 years now. Try that. You will be amazed, and you will be blessed.

DEAD SEA SCROLLS

I've read the Dead Sea Scrolls, over 2000 thousand pages. For the most part it is a collection of very fragmented partial letters and words with some sentances, that can be matched to the words in the existing Books of the Bible. They mostly provide archeological proof that the Bible has remained intact and is real. There were some interesting full pages on a sect possibility dating pre temple destruction, including a Book of War, and there are quite a few fragments and sentences from The Book Of Enoch and The Book of Jubilees. These Books were removed from the Bible we've been allowed to have. This is absolutely missing knowledge and would connect many dots. The removed Books expose the "cabal" lies we've been told. So not surprising, they also kept some Books that are hard to understand without the missing Books. Many Dead Sea Scrolls reference books are available free online if you have the patience. The fragments are arranged, photographed and documented by cave # and translated so there is no reason to believe they are compromised.

Getting the WORD

Approaching God's Bible with analytics and labels, like post Judean religion, or this or that, are only going to cause unnecessary detraction and wreck and interfere with your knowledge intake. This is because God's Word is alive. God teaches you and feeds you (funny, he calls it Bread), as you are able to learn. It's personal delivery service direct into your brain. Seriously, our brain is a CPU. DNA has a frequency.

With that said, lose your religion. It is corrupt. Reject the programming that goes hand in hand with "religion." It's a man-made concept to keep us divided, confused and enslaved in lack of knowledge. Then remove God entirely from the context of "religion." Remove his WORD from the words or books of man. Delete fragmented meaningless files. Clean your drive.

Now you can meet God for yourself. Know that All scripture is God-breathed and is valuable for teaching the truth…His Word lasts forever.

Read Book of Enoch. PDF Available free online, won't take long. The Ethiopian translation is very good but read them all. I can't stop reading them!!

God Bless you in finding truth.

>>1352080

You are mistaken. There was not "original Christianity." That is a misleading label. The first followers followed "The Way" as in the Way, the Truth and the Light. Many were Messianic Jews. Beware, many of today's new age Bible translations have new age labels. Question everything.

From the beginning, God vehemently opposed paganism and pagan gods.

All history of these false gods and the peoples and nations who followed and sacrificed to these gods are described in detail throughout the Bible including the "queen of heaven." God hates CV them and they became a snare for Israel. The Catholic Church openly worships false gods, and has really become the poster child for pagan worship. Lots of Q Research verifies this. Get your facts straight.

>>1354616

>It's a huge topic and plenty of room for everyone.

That's the problem. The topic is so enormous it's difficult to even comprehend its scope.

Everything Q has been dropping about ongoing criminal investigations, I guarantee you the NSA and other agencies already have all the factual details worked out for their court cases. But I doubt the same is true for fleshing out real history. That will take decades, and more than just a superficial following on 8chan putting together pieces of a puzzle that the NSA has already worked out and is giving you clues for.

The reason I don't like this info being dumped on forums like 8chan is because it's difficult to find later. I only found this thread by chance. But do as you please.

>>1355179

I really appreciate your enthusiasm buddy. Most Christians can't even admit that it's possible for the Bible to have been corrupted at all, but you already realize that entire books have been removed from what was formerly canon. The Bible says those who add to or take away from the scripture will be cursed, but not that it can't happen. I do believe in God, because I believe that there is an intelligent ordering to the universe. But I think the deception in the scriptures goes deeper than you are appreciating.

The Trinity is a concept that was very familiar to the ancient Celts. They had a tripartite God too. There was a deity named Hésus by the Gauls who was considered the physical incarnation of the Sun God, whose name does not survive.

The Gauls also practiced a ritual where in hard times they would pick someone from the community, allow them to live in luxury for a year, then put a crown of thorns upon their head, parade them through town so the villagers could spit on them and curse them, and then take them to the forest and have them sacrificed by the Druid class. Human sacrifice of someone wearing a crown of thorns in order to erase the sins of the entire community. What do you think of that?

When Easter and Christmas were transformed from pagan holidays into Christian holidays, there was SOME equivalency already there. It was a smooth enough transition that it was not rejected by the common people. On the winter solstice, the Sun appears to cease movement along the horizon for three consecutive sunrises/sunsets, before visibly beginning its movement back in the opposite direction. Three days in the under world? And when it comes to Easter, when was Jesus said to have been crucified? Around the time of the spring equinox, which was so convenient for transplanting over the already-existing pagan holiday that they never even changed the name in English. Easter is literally the name of a pagan deity.

I still don't understand the old pagan religions, and there seem to have been several different varieties, each with a different focus. But it would have to be pure dogma to prevent people from seeing the relatively smooth transition between paganism and Christianity in this sort of information.

Also I have no doubt in my mind that what Trump/Q are doing is more calibrated for practical results and political expediency than it is for absolute truth at all costs. This can be seen in pinning all of the KKK and Jim Crow stuff solely on Democrats. That argument can be made from an institutional standpoint (the institution of the Democratic Party) but not from a popular culture standpoint or a political philosophy standpoint, in which it is impossible to ignore the role of Southern conservatives and their understanding of the Constitution, which placed severe limitations on federal government. But don't expect Trump to take a Jeffersonian approach to the federal government.

>>1351508

it's not that impossible to believe if you study quantum physics and then hear about the mandela effect

>>1363257

True, some statistical methods have already been developed by Fomenko et al and I'm sure more could be developed.

Some things though require archaeological data like artifacts, because written records are either non-existent or unreliable. I suspect this is why so many people are so interested in either digging around in the Middle East or else trying to hide and destroy everything over there. The Middle East probably isn't even unique as far as that goes, only gets more attention because of news events.

>The Trade Tower, looking up at it like that, [see pic ] reminds me of the massive quality of the ocean of lies over the centuries. "What a deal" to confront it. I always thought the Towers would stand forever - way longer than my life span. But look what happened; it only took 10 seconds [for each]. It wasn't its own weight which brought it down either.

>All that weight turned to nano-dust. Demonically impressive?

I was researching 9/11 from about 2003 until around 2010 or so when I just got burned out and sick of it all. Going head to head with obvious shills on forums back then was no fun at all but it helped me refine my arguments.

For example, both towers actually took longer than 10 seconds but the problem is where to define the start/stop. And neither fell at free-fall acceleration either, but WTC7 did, and it's easily measurable using video and even NIST had to admit it.

There was a distribution of particle sizes that were unusually heavy on the nanometer end, but shills find ways to downplay that too. Nonetheless I have seen diagrams from science/engineering literature that mechanical pulverization cannot be expected to produce such amounts of tiny dust, and it was more likely molecularly separated somehow. I'll leave it to someone else to figure out what can vaporize steel like that, though I'm sure elements of the US military already know very well what it was. The only possible explanations I've even heard of are either some kind of controlled nuclear explosion or else space beams, and I don't believe the space beam stuff for several reasons. There was however so much radioactive tritium created by spraying water on the hot debris piles that it was detectable at elevated levels even after being diluted in millions of gallons of water.

>>1338543

Have you heard the missing 1000 years theory? It is about how dates are written. Years ago, in say 400 AD, they signified a date with the letter "i".. so 400 AD would be written i400, which became 1400 AD. I saw a video of this where they had documents to show this. Makes me wonder…..

>>1383240

>Just cursory glance - can you see the perspective is all wrong?

What are you saying, that the column is tilted at an angle compared to everything else in the photo? Also look at the gray slag all around the column.

>Could they be trying to hide the blatant fakery with the puffs of white smoke all around?

That doesn't seem logical to me. It sounds like you've already made up your mind pretty firmly about what it was and wasn't, while I haven't. The vapor pouring off of the steel as it fell, how would you fake that anyway? Install a bunch of hot smoke emitters in the perimeter columns?

>>1384650

No. Look closer.

Where is the camera located.

The fireman is standing on level ground.

What is the pillar, jutting out over his head?

No they staged it that way to make you believe it was clean cut. Something Thermite can't even do. Though they suggest that's how it was done.

They went through two stages. When they realized "thermite" wouldn't "cut it" [no pun] , They moved on to "Themate"

What is the conclusion you draw from that image that is different from what I've made my mind up about? Other than the image is a fabrication?

>>1386926

>What is the pillar, jutting out over his head?

I see what you mean now. Still, it's not conclusive of whether it was a clean cut or not, and still looks like it has slag on it.

Here are a couple demonstrations of thermite cutting through steel I-beams and columns:

https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=zmA59hQnoOU

https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=HAP7yUB6dcQ

I only think thermite was used rather sparingly in certain parts of the structure. I don't think it was what caused all of that explosively ejected material, which is the unknown mechanism as far as I'm concerned, but with evidence of some kind of radiation in the tritium levels, exploding cars, and vaporizing steel.

The FEMA report also included a metallurgical analysis in appendix C of their report that sound evidence of a eutectic reaction on a certain piece of steel: http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/metallurgy/WTC_apndxC.htm

I can understand people being skeptical of the FEMA report, but my interpretation of that report is that it was completely incompetent and kicking the can down the road for NIST. They offered multiple, contradictory mechanisms for truss failure, and just in general there is a lot of stuff in the FEMA report that makes little/no sense, and only causes problems for the government narrative.

For example, NIST's John Gross later denied there was any molten steel at the WTC at all. He claimed there was NO molten steel, period, and that is apparently NIST's official position. Well guess what the eutectic reaction in FEMA appendix C is? It's molten steel, and they even say so themselves. So I think the FEMA report was a bunch of incompetence, no one was expected to go through it very carefully, it was only a "preliminary" report anyway and the propaganda machine was going full force already. The truth movement was virtually non-existent when the FEMA report came out.

In the end, we don't have to figure out the technical details of what exactly happened. ==We only have to prove that the official reports are bullshit and a real investigation is needed.==

As far as that goes I think a lot of these debates on the exact mechanisms of collapse are a distraction, because the burden isn't on us to figure out what happened. We never had access to the physical evidence, structural documents or anything like that. The best focus is just disproving NIST's hypotheses, which is what some of the 9/11 truth organizations have been doing.

I don't know if you've seen the clip, but even Trump was skeptical of the official explanation on 9/11. Our only real hope is that he reopens the investigation, because no one else is going to.

>>1387258 The planes seen in the videos are obviously CGI, for if a plane stuck a steel structure that can hold up 110 stories, the plane would disintegrate into tiny scraps of metal and never penetrate the building. The planes, the flights and the passengers were all imaginary, for that means a minimal number of people would have knowledge of the plot beforehand ,and no court suits by relatives of passengers.

>>1351701

I saw a vid today saying it was much debated whether to put Book of Revelations in the canon. If they didn't put in Revelations, they were going to put in The shepherd of Hermas. (I read between the lines…. they wanted 66 books in the bible).

There are diamonds among the dung in the bible.

gotta kill the 🐸 before you heal the core

Relevant: https://archive.fo/qERv5

Even if you're only able to reconcile some of what this person says with your own world, I think there is enough there to connect the dots on a large part of our very obviously edited history -- but it goes back a lot further than the 17th century (though I did hear something about how there was some kind of occult revelation or rediscovery within that time period, can't quite remember off the top of my head, as it was a video and I don't retain information as well if I hear it vs read it. )

The trickiest part of this I think is ---well, there's many parts really, it's literally a giant trap— but a few of the most important ones imo are: 1. This concept of "edited history" is known within the INNERMOST circles of the elite as "the beautiful lie" -- and this lie is circumvented within their circles by essentially teaching their from birth children what they know to be "the truth" – a self-fulfilling ideal in many respects, as they were the ones to perpetrate it in the first place . [e.g. look up origins of the word "draconian."]

2. They consider "free will" to be the most important part of this equation, and that respecting the "natural laws" are essentially the path to perfection [perfection being a state closest to "God" -- or rather, their interpretation of God.] See post about contract law on the "rofschild insider" thread above for one easily illustrated example.

3. They are obligated by their own rules to actually TELL US everything that they are planning -- which they do through movies and other entertainment media – and as long as we go along with it, they essentially consider themselves to have a free pass. ALL of the correct information is out there, and with some discernment and knowledge of their 'beliefs', it is easily found.

4. The bible is a telling of how they want THEIR version of events to go --- if you read the KJV, there are so many double negatives and so much confusing language, but it essentially discusses how the "sons of Isreal/sons of Jacob (de Rothschild?) " are the chosen ones and how God is going to claim the earth for them, unless one of the 'others' Gods steps up to claim otherwise. The Bible is obviously HEAVILY edited (even as recently as the Nzi's disposing of some like 72 books?) and the more it is distributed and the more people flock to it like they're a "child of God's chosen people", the more their narrative is reinforced.

Like I said, all of the information is out there, and if you want the truth in reference to the "bible", there's a large tip from the "rofschild" thread I linked above --- learn to read Aramaic a.ka. Sumerian -- i.e. the 55,000 Sumerian cuneiform tablets that are on display in the British Museum — PLUS the one bonus one that was just released last month via Cambridge University … which, funnily enough, has ties to the recent Conservative Cambridge Analytica data harvesting scandel that "got Trump elected" – hmm, what a coincidence!

Anyway, I live for this stuff --- reading comprehension and analysis has always landed me in at least the 98 percentile (and I'm not saying that to brag or exaggerate), so I'm dissecting this Rothschild thread, as well as cross referencing it against both the bible and the Sumerian tablets in a different thread

>>1391204

eep, sorry if I repeated info, I'm exhausted & didn't read the whole thread

>>1355179

Your commitment and dedication is impressive and undoubtedly there is a lot of information given in those books --- but have you ever noticed how many double negatives there are? " I have not never said to the people of Jacob that they are" unrighteous [not an exact quote at this point, but you get the gist.]

Can you imagine a scenario where your ancestors --recognizing that there were multiple factions to the world that, with a fair amount of basic understanding of the laws of nature (both physically i.e. as revealed mathematically in nature & relating to human predisposition), might be fully well and able to pose a threat to your family traditions and values– decided to more or less write you a "script" or a "play" that would greatly increase your chances of survival? This is a bit of a simplistic explanation but I hope you see what I am trying to express.

There could potentially be truth in those writings -- but in the WHOLE writings, not the heavily edited and customized subsection that is distributed en masse. By "accepting" their edited copy of the story you are, in every sense of the word, agreeing to their narrative and chain of events. Have you ever wondered why there are so many books in the bible that are referenced but aren't included? Can you even begin to imagine how many more there might be that were conveniently left out and forgotten?

Look into the Sumerian cuneiform tablets -- they are always available for up-close study and observation at the british museum, but there are also translations available online – though you would be wise to be aware of your sources :)

>>1391687

>>1355751

"You are watching a …."

script of a movie that's been playing out for millennia.

Honestly, looking through the Q meme dump, and reading all of the hidden meanings in Q's drops, I think they are aware of more of the big picture than most would think..

croaked dead -

>>1388702

>Scenario for the smallest number of those involved

I've always wondered about Seth MacFarland saying he was supposed to be on one of those flights but drank too much the night before, was late and, shucks! Missed his plane.

>>1353951

As I already suggested: there are plenty of people that want to make the Q community look stupid, credulous, and naive, and to waste our time chasing nonsense. Do you acknowledge this basic fact? If you do, then you can certainly understand why you would be asked to provide some basic preliminary reason that a layman should pursue your russomongolian golden age history revisionism. I want to know the truth. I look at this thread, and I see rather low-tier, bot type output. Convince me otherwise!

But instead of convincing me, you engage in this really rather predictable game of attacking me.

Again: there are COUNTLESS off the wall theories of history, of the world, of politics, etc-- you acknowledge at least this much? And you will also, if you are minimally honest, acknowledge what I repeated above– that there are many that wish to derail qresearch in the ways I mentioned… so why not back up and show that you aren't one of them? Why respond defensively (and frankly, in a typically AI way)?

Just explain that dude. There are many many things that we could be digging on, and having bumped to the top of this board. I am afraid that the russomongolian golden age rehistory theory is just crap to make the board look dumb-- and I am perfectly justified in doing so, based on what we all know. So I am inviting you to portray yourself as something more like a real human (that happens to be deeply believing in the russomongolianism).

>"woeful basis"

Address the question of why one should favor Fomenko's statistical TRANSLATION of history. Note: not what he DOES with his data, but how he DERIVES it from the historical record. He makes up the criteria he uses there-- you need to justify that, and then privilege it over ALL other historical research and narrative that contradicts it. It's a tall order– yet you skip all that, and go right to keeping this thing bumped.

Again: given how many instances of intentional AI dumbing-down of the board we've seen, you can understand why we should all be wary. So help us out. Make a decent argument in support of fomenkoism. Stop acting like a confused bot.

Is there not a thread somewhere else on 8chan or 4chan to discuss the Bible and 9/11 and false history? Jeez, you guys, this is the Q Research Board. It's hard to find Q anons' post when we have to wade through all that unrelated stuff. Could we hold off on that for now? Things are beginning to happen right now and we really, really need to stick to Q research. Thanks so much.

>>1409614

Thanks, anon. I didn't think of that. The anons posting about the Bible, 9/11 and revisionist history are not Q research anons. They are anons trying to distract us and fill up the board with nonsense to make it more difficult for us to communicate about Q posts. I wish they would find their own board. Surely there must be threads out there just for the subjects they want to discuss. If they continue, then we will know they are merely trolling this board.

>>1351866

interested in creating the means to deliver reconstructed history to large numbers of people via a virtual distribution interface - eventually open source historical scholarship can

serve the virtual university of mankind where educational attainment is directly link to virtual employment.

We have to deal with the cultist criminals before that can happen but people are working on those things too.