/pnd/ - Politics, News, Debate

>>276196

Gaige Grosskreutz pointed a gun at Kyle Rittenhouse first, not the other way around. Furthermore video evidence proves this. You communists know NOTHING about self-defense or rule of law. It is very clear you want to see Constitutional Law flushed down the drain, and it is pretty obvious to most of us why that is too. No matter what the outcome of this trail Americans can and will defend themselves against criminals and thugs. And if Constitution Law is thrown out, all laws will be thrown out with it, and all the more hellish and brutal this collapse will be when no one is to be trusted anymore and anyone can be perceived enemies of Justice.

>>276204

>Grosskreutz pointed a gun at a known active shooter

Self-defense for me, but not for thee, eh?

>>276228

If Kyle Rittenhouse killed someone who was not attacking him, that would be murder. If Kyle Rittenhouse shot people who were coming after him with the intention to harm or kill him, that is self-defense.

Regardless the outcome, please learn the difference between self-defense and murder. Hopefully they'll have all the footage available to find out exactly what happened….. in the meantime I'm not going near a city past 6 PM anymore, those days are over for me.

>>276196

Acquitted of EVERYTHING. Keep coping, you stupid troon.

>>276239

He killed Rosenbaum, who was unarmed and not attacking him. Thus making Rittenhouse an active shooter. Grosskreutz acted in self-defense against an active shooter.

>>276243

Little Chub-chub is going to take the stand. He will flash some WP signs and scream about jews and niggers and the jury will put him away for life. Your tubby little hero is going to prison. Cope.

>>276249

The only one fantasizing here is you. You desperately need him to be acquitted so you can go around shooting protestors and use the little chubster as precedent. Fortunately, the court system is smarter than you and can see you coming a mile away. The little fat fuck is going to prison to enjoy thick veiny black cock for life.

>>276270

Jerry, he didn't even respond to me. I really don't care about this whole thing except for the fact it's obvious populated cities are no longer safe and I'm not going to be in any of them past 6 PM for the rest of my short life lol.

>>276270

If this case is decided on the merits, Kyle will walk FREE, and (You) and (You)r kind will have a total meltdown in the streets.

That would be fun watching. I'll be sitting 60 miles away from the city limits (suburbs) of St. Louis laughing my ass off trying to get this old clunker computer to stream it live (unfortunately without any audio). And the commies wonder why everyone is leaving those commie shitholes? Can't wait to see the next census and demographic data. LOL.

>>276270

>As for the takeaway, if Kyle IS Convicted of Murder or some other such NONSENSE, then 'We the People' WILL NOT FORGET.

>(You) may want to remember what happened to Italy when they lost faith in their Courts and justice system.

EGG ZACK LEE as Johnny would put it. Correct. If they ever show their faces around here me and my family would not only batter them with rifles and shotguns, I'd also hang their dead bodies onto the trees in the yards as a message to everyone else: stay away from me and my property or die and be hung to the trees for target practice. That includes pigs and glow niggers too.

>>276281

I travel to the city limits just to go to COSTCO and a few other places every month to do a routine stockup and rotate my inventories, typically afternoon hours but I'll start going earlier from now on. And those places are outside the actual city inside safer communities. Otherwise if I go near a city plural, it's not really "in" it's driving past and over there to get to another State. Now their claiming that is racist and they want to knock out certain highways. Well my response would be taking the backroads and old junctions then and completely avoiding a city entirely. It will cost more gas money but hey, deal with it climate freaks!

>>276286

They want to do away with roads altogether.

They'll have cheap flying vehicles soon, probably armored and equipped with plenty of artillery for having fun firing on ground rodents in the country like me and you.

>>276287

Get an old truck with 4 wheel drive and off-road tires and no big deal, just have to watch for areas that have too much mud. I doubt they'd be able to take out all those roads anyway, too many civilians still live out in the country and those statistics are actually growing not in decline unlike yesteryear. Check out your state map from Gazetteer, you'd be shocked how many old roads exist you can drive from one point to the next, driving around like a puzzle. Plus, after SHTF, dirt & gravel roads are really easy to create too. All you need is a skidsteer to pave way and a gravel truck to lay the gravel down. The hog farmer that lives nearby has both of those, he grates old roads and creates new paths for those who live around the area for a few hundred bucks.

>>276274

Your little chubby hero testified, in his own words, on the stand today, that the UNARMED Rosenbaum "threatened to kill him". Your little chubby tubtub bitch killed someone for saying something mean to him. You people are the biggest snowflake faggots in the world and you all cry like little bitches when someone says mean things to you.

>>276296

When you use a gun to respond to words, it's not self-defense by any State's laws. Little Chubby-chub, your tubby god, is going to prison and you can't do anything to stop it.

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>>276309

What happened? Didn't watch, was busy finding and posting more REAL NEWS lol.

>>276301

>When you use a gun to respond to words

Very true, but the question is did he? Or did he do it in self-defense after being charged at, and/or attacked? Honestly, I'd do the same if it were my property and I was defending myself and family.

>>276310

Wew lad, you should have seen it. The judge came unglued on the prosecutor bringing in shit that was already ruled as irrelevant. Prosecutor thinks he knows better. Got told different. I mean REALLY Told. The Prosecution is REALLY Fucking Up! Pretty much just desperate now and have nothing left but attacks on "Persona", as usual with these "Woke" mobs.

>>276312

I honestly think we should shove all these leftists into one big city, like New York, and let them have their utopia. They could do anything they want. Meanwhile the rest of the nation can go back to living normal lives without this kind of bullshit happening. Would that be fair and kind enough?

>>276312

The prosecutor is trying to impeach Kyle on his "beliefs and attitudes". Literally. On his BELIEFS. On what the mob conjectures was in his mind.

The Shit Already Ruled as INAdmissable WILL NOT BE ADMITTED, BECAUSE IT HAS NO RELEVANCE.

The Prosecutor and the Woke mobs are trying to taint the jury and threaten the jury.

True Story.

>>276316

Who would have thought politically-motivated violent people would threaten violence for political motivation?

>>276311

He admitted on the stand that Rosenbaum threatened, using words, to kill him; but was unarmed. Thus, he admitted for the record that he used deadly force in response to words. That means everyone's actions following - such as hitting him with a skateboard and pulling a gun on him - were done in self-defense - REAL self-defense - same as you would do if you saw someone shoot another person over words.

>>276314

Except it's not inadmissible and the judge is wrong. He's trying to get a mistrial so that it has to go to another court. That's fine, but it's going to be hilarious to watch all you dumb faggots believing that "mistrial" means "exoneration".

>>276329

If you're brandishing a rifle and wearing gloves do you don't leave prints, bashing your skull in with a hammer is literal self-defense.

>>276325

So did they find solid evidence Kyle murdered someone who did not try or attempt attacking him or had violent intent to do so? That's the key question that needs solid proof…. did Kyle shoot an innocent man for no reason? The reason I doubt that - unless solid evidence proves otherwise - is that he was in the middle of a fucking riot. A violent mob riot. Trying to put out flames? So the question I have is this: if someone wanted to do a mass shooting of protesters, why not go do it for real and go all out? He could have killed dozens if he wanted to, and could have killed cops who tried to nab him too, as violent criminals tend to do. He didn't. So that's why I have my doubts. I think this kid was afraid for his life. Hell, I would be if I were around those riots too!

A lesson for fellow conservatives: never bother going to those chimp outs. Stay away from the cities during hostile riots. Stay at home, lock your doors and load your guns up. Don't try to police these thugs, just defend your own private property if need be. If you don't agree with me, perhaps you need to move to a safer place with more friendly people and uncorrupted leadership. The politics in the cities are hostile to decent people.

>>276337

>I am willing to die and I am willing to kill to protect the divine right of the people to keep and bear arms, backed up by the U.S. Constitution.

>We won't be going the way of Australia.

The first statement explains why.

>>276340

True, I am proud of my State, after the George Floyd riots we started seeing businesses putting up signs on their properties "You Loot, We Shoot!" and there was even a big billboard too on I-44 but I think that was taken down over controversy (St. Louis county complaints lol). in the rural county I live in new businesses are actually booming in some towns, so are the populations of those once-smaller towns too. Americans are looking for places to live without all the lockdowns, without the riots, lower taxes and less regulation, away from all this leftist crap. I tell you what, the major cities in America run by these commie bureaucrats are all going to lose tax revenues and a healthy worker base, they'll all end up like Detroit within the next decade or two.

>>276338

>did they find solid evidence

He … literally … admitted it … in open court … for the record. What the fuck more evidence do you need? Jesus, you people are dumb.

>>276340

I own a brick and mortar business in a "blue city" and I'm doing fine. The fact that you aren't means you're proving the "pull yourselves up by bootstraps" was a lie.

We're doing just fine. If you're not, it's your fault. Personal responsibility, faggot.

>>276345

Does it hurt having a smooth brain?

>>276357

>What are You going to do if at some point a mob rushes to loot, destroy or even burn down your business in rage?

Probably let them. There's this magical thing called "insurance". Look it up.

However, that's not what the little chubster did in Kenosha. He wasn't there to protect his business or his property or his family or his home.

>>276413

Did the other small businesses get insurance for their businesses being destroyed by a riot? How many family-owned companies went under after those riots that didn't get enough money to start back up? You'd be lucky if you were to break even in that event.

>>276558

Not him, but I'm not holding my breath. I know the Justice system today is 100% politicized just like everything else corrupted has been. I'll wait for the whole thing to wrap up and the trial to end. THEN maybe I'd post something about it. Either way, no matter what, half of America has lost their minds and I can't see much of a future for anyone still trusting this system and going along with all of it. Glad I keep my distance afar.

He's gonna walk. OP BTFO.

Also, you niggers need to stop posting at this shit hole and pick another splinter board.

>>276562

What the other small businesses do isn't my problem. If they're not insured, that's on them. I'm not going to sit outside someone else's business with a rifle in the event of a riot in that area of my city.

>>276572

>I'm not going to sit outside someone else's business with a rifle in the event of a riot in that area of my city.

Neither would I, I get the fact he shouldn't have been there due to the risks but he did legally own the gun and his father lived in that State too from what I've heard about it. What else is someone supposed to do if they are trying to put out fires and are attacked by angry 'protesters'? If this is what cities have become in America, and no one is allowed to have a gun or defend themselves in a city, then it's pretty fucking clear to most freedom-loving Americans that those cities are indeed death traps and no-go zones. This is only going to accelerate 'white flight' out of those cities. After this whole fiasco I myself have decided not to go near any populated cities past 6 PM. I'm sure there are others like me thinking the same thing right now too.

>>276590

Well, first of all, I wouldn't call Kenosha, WI a "city". Fewer than 100,000 people live there. Also, he didn't actually legally own the gun, but those charges were dropped, so it's a moot point. He also wasn't trying to put out any fires. He had no firefighting equipment, training, or anything of the like.

If he were a trained firefighter or a member of a volunteer firefighter squad who traveled from IL to WI in order to help put out fires, then I could see a reason for his being there. That sort of thing happens all the time. What happened, though, was a 17 year old kid got his mommy to drive him to Kenosha so he could kill people he didn't like. That is an indisputable fact. Whether he goes to prison for it or not, well, I suppose we're about to find out.

>>276591

I wish dumbass leftists like (You) understood that it doesn't matter WHY he went to Kenosha.

Self-Defense occred there. That simple.

>>276591

> I wouldn't call Kenosha, WI a "city". Fewer than 100,000 people live there.

I consider any community with over 30,000 residents to be a city. To me St. Louis (the city most near to me, 60+ miles away, is a pretty big city and they have under 300,000 residents and currently in decline).

>Also, he didn't actually legally own the gun but those charges were dropped

They were dropped because he did not illegally obtain the gun. In most States in America it is perfectly legal to own a gun, even as a minor as long as the parents consent to it. Did you know that?

>What happened, though, was a 17 year old kid got his mommy to drive him to Kenosha so he could kill people he didn't like

You don't know that, you may have been told that but there is no solid evidence of that, what there is solid evidence is he was attacked by someone, why is still being debated, and we'll just have to see what the jury thinks upon the evidence they do have. What I do know is this: this just gives more Americans all the more reason to move out of those damn populated cities. So the white exodus will likely continue.

if i understood everything, literally any secret service which are enemies of the united states could possibly easily destabilize the us. if kyle goes to jail they could kill the prosecuter and all juries which voted for it. if he goes free they could kill the jury which voted for it and kyle. the most important part would be creating a "we vs them" situation for both sides. i wonder if the american secret service is prepared for this, probably not

The dude posting the Kyleen memes is a fed. Don't fall for it

>>276598

>there is solid evidence is he was attacked by someone

The first person he shot and killed didn't attack him. He yelled mean things at him, but he didn't attack him physically. Nobody attacked Kyle physically until after he killed an unarmed man in a parking lot for yelling at him. At that point, the people attacking Kyle were using self-defense legally. Kyle was not.

>>276593

>it doesn't matter WHY he went to Kenosha

You heard it here first, folks. These smooth brains don't think premeditation or intent matters. I bet you're a Medal of Gravyry recipient in Meal Team 6 just like your chubby little hero.

>>276605

Kinda sick of this whole debate but I'll reply anyway.

This is something the prosecutors need to prove. Is there any footage of him killing a man who did not attack him? If so, please link it because clearly it's not being reported very much.

If what you say lacks solid evidence, then it's pretty difficult to prove his intent for being there because 1) owning and carrying a gun for self-defense is not illegal in most States, 2) his father lived around the area thus his reason being there and 3) the footage that has already been released of an attacker. So at this point all you can wish for is an intimidated (or hardcore leftist) jury. Unless there is more evidence to prove intent?

>>276601

Why do I have the strangest feeling this is another attempt to undermine our 2nd Amendment? Enemies of America would like to do that too.

>>276622

>Is there any footage of him killing a man who did not attack him?

Kyle himself, in his own words, on the stand, between fits of crying, openly admitted that the first person he killed was unarmed and only used words.

HE ADMITTED IT IN COURT FOR THE RECORD UNDER OATH.

If that's not good enough for you, I don't know what else can be said.

Also:

1) He didn't own the gun. It was given to him AFTER he crossed state lines. (on court record)

2) His dead beat, refuses to pay child support, meth head alcoholic, wife beating father is who you want to defend? lol.

3) The footage of Kyle getting hit with the skateboard exists, yes, but that is AFTER he already killed the guy in the parking lot. The guy smacking him with the skateboard was bravely trying to stop an active shooter.

>>276624

Well if true and he did shoot someone who was not attacking him then he deserves to go to jail for that. What I would like to know is why have these rioters been allowed to commit similar violence against other bystanders and their properties? Why is the Justice system so slanted against gun owners but allows rioters to burn down property and loot without intervention or prosecution. Even if Kyle is guilty and convicted for killing an unarmed man who did not attack him, why have we not seen the 'Antifa' scumbags facing the same kinds of court trials too? Why are the police allowed to stand down and not intervene? Why don't the police protect these cities if politicians won't allow citizens to? All of this would have never ever happened in the first place if politics were not so corrupted and police were allowed to do their fucking job with mob control, and people like Kyle would have been approached by cops and told to leave the damn area or face arrest like everyone else. Maybe it's not just Kyle who is guilty. Whatever happens I'll just keep away from populated areas at night from now on, too dangerous and wayyyyy too risky for being a gun owner.

>>276631

>why have these rioters been allowed to commit similar violence

They haven't. They have been arrested, tried, and convicted over the last 18 months. ~20,000 arrests in total.

>why have we not seen the 'Antifa' scumbags facing the same kinds of court trials

Well, first of all there's a world of difference between smashing a window and shooting a person. The window smasher would get arrested, but it's a misdemeanor and would get maybe 10-30 days in jail and fined. Not very exciting new coverage, but there are places keeping track.

>allowed to stand down and not intervene

For the same reason they were told to hold back on 1/6 or during other riots. To protect the cops. If 5,000 rage-filled people are storming a city block, the order is "contain, but don't interfere". Perimeters are established to stop the crowd from surging to other city blocks and then it's allowed to run its course. Video is taken, people are identified, and then - one by one - cops show up at their house and arrest them.

>Why don't the police protect these cities

https://mises.org/power-market/police-have-no-duty-protect-you-federal-court-affirms-yet-again

It's not their job.

>>276635

> Police have no duty to protect you.

You do, however, as a living being, have the duty, and the right, to protect yourself.

So…

Remember that when (You) start chimping out and attacking folks. I'm asking (You) to remember that later today, when (You) and your ilk begin to, yet again, chimp out and destroy, using mob violence, (You)r favorite tactic, whenever (You) don't get your way.

If the police are told to stand down, but (You) and (You)r mobs do NOT Stand Down… There will be a thousand Kyle Rittenhouses out there "policing" our streets. Everybody knows that. I get it. That's what (You) and (You)r ilk want.''

'We, the People' do not want that.

Control (You)rselves.

Calling for "Bloodshed" will only get (You) what (You) want. Death. That's what Rosenbaum wanted too. He had the same stance (You) do. Then he was no more. Let that be a lesson to (You).

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>>276639

We might need to bring back the policies during Kent State soon, I know how a lot of people would sob "police brutality!" and all, but if there are riots they should be dealt with. I am all for peaceful protesting, and even armed resistance when absolutely necessary to defend basic Constitutional freedoms and persons, but what I look down upon is people trashing their own communities and mugging bystanders which these 'Antifa' clowns have done time and time again, that has to stop and if they were in the 1960s at Kent State University those police would have dealt with them on the spot. There would be no need for law-abiding citizens to get involved in any way or be put into harms way either, the thugs would be told to disperse or they get smacked down and vanned away in handcuffs or body bags. Honestly it's sad that would ever have to happen. It's sad that they think their own communities are guilty of prejudice but we can't keep having insane people ruining their local communities. I blame a lot of this on the bias media, those assholes are the ones adding fuel to the fire all for their sick publicity and ratings. God damn them.

>>276638

Your brain is so smooth that even basic literacy slides right off!

>>276639

>to protect yourself

Your little chubby hero didn't go to Kenosha to protect himself. You know how I protected myself during the BLM riots? I stayed home.

Amazing.

>>276639

>later today, when (You) and your ilk begin to, yet again, chimp out and destroy

Is there something happening later today? Soros forgot to CC me in the memo.

>>276680

>I have done more with two fingers today than (You) will do in a lifetime

True. I will never in my lifetime fingerbang a trannie in its boipussy. Weird flex, though.

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Glownigger

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>>276351

Controlled opposition glownigger

Nobody talks like this. Go start a fucking tabloid and fuck off with your "Opinions may be safely discarded" MKultra autism.

Everybody stop responding to this Fed Poster.

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>>276750

You may not glow, but you are a nigger.

>>277068

You, sir, are the one that seriously glows.

>>277076

At least I don't have a smooth brain and I'm not a nigger who sucks kike cock like you do.

Hi fed poster

Unlike most people, I actually remember reading reports during the Bush, Obama and even Trump years about our federal government hiring trolls and propagandists to combat "online disinformation" "conspiracy theories" and "hate speech." Does anyone really believe glow niggers don't get paid to sabotage threads and attempt to discredit those that post about criminal conspiracies? Think about the British government's JTRIG that worked with the US government for example, they too did the EXACT SAME THING and it all leaked out. Spooks are going to spook.

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/

>>276196

Here it comes!

https://www.nbcnews.com/video/watch-live-coverage-of-kyle-rittenhouse-trial-126036549689

>>277125

Not Guilty.

Arm up, boyos. It's open season on protestors! Someone protesting something you disagree with? SHOOT THEM! It's self-defense now!

>>277127

That is NOT true at all. This simply means you can't just attack anyone you disagree with or pose a deadly threat to them without risking the consequences of someone being able to defend themselves with force. The leaked FBI drone footage exposed what the media lied about all along.

>>277127

People like you will actually go to prison for attacking other people if it is not self defense. Kyle defended himself and that is all there is to it. The evidence proved it. The FBI drone footage that leaked out proved it, it was self-defense, he was attacked every single time he fired shots.

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>>277131

WRONG

The Proud Boys, right now, are putting on their "Antifa" disguises and getting ready to fulfill Kyle's legacy tonight.

>>277140

>linking to NBC News

It was a live feed, you moron. But, I guess since it was on NBC and not from the Desk of MyPillow, that means it was fake news and Kyle was declared guilty.

>>277146

I guarantee you that we will no longer bring a skateboard to a gun fight.

>>277148

I don't think you understand the point. Due to this court ruling it is better not to pick a fight with fellow Americans and stop being thugs in the first place. Be peaceful and you won't put yourself at risk of dying.

>>277142

Proud Boys and Antifa are FBI traps. It's best to stay away from both groups if you want to stay out of the prison industrial complex and/or stay alive. ;)

Who's the Kayleen now faggot.

Op is a faggot.

>>276280

>Imagine when SHTF and there is no more law and order. These idiots have no idea the HELL that awaits them after an economic and societal collapse.

They think they will me like the madmax punks , roaming around in spiky cars.

In reality they will be marauders that loot and pillage eachother first. until they get to the wrong house and get swiss cheesed.

>>289075

Everyone here is a larper. The breakdown does not happen overnight, it does not happen right away, but it is a slow frog boil. It all depends on when the break down hits. Break down in the summer? more violence. Break down in the winter? more starvation.

The truth is that during the breakdown, the loss of the infirm and the mentally deficient will stabilize things a lot. Look at how many people have to take insulin and are on government assistance. Those people can not survive outside the system. We spend 21 billion keeping aids faggots a live every year. A breakdown means those faggots, the fat fucks, and all the other vulnerable people die off in 3 months. Combine that with the starvation and diseases from the bodies piling up and there will be a lot of death.

You saw the covid supply chain disruptions. did you know we almost lost the supply chain for cancer and aids drugs? the feeder chemicals all come from china. We almost ran out due to covid disruptions.

It's not the violence that people should be worrying about, it's the lack of food, heat and infrastructure. yet no one preps for those things.