f2dd35 No.237456
Before i begin, I'd like to note that the dissident right has legitimate grievances.
- White people are getting treated like shit for no justifiable reason.
The main cause of this in most people is their own ignorance of history and science that makes them think that white people are some particularly evil variety of people who've done things that were worse than any other racial group, and that the differences in the various metrics of success that exist between racial groups today are best explained by the misdeeds of white people towards other races.
If people were more aware of the parts of history their society had neglected to teach them and the fabrications that made their way into the common knowledge of the world's historical narrative, they would find that white people are not special among the races in terms of doing terrible things to other racial groups, and that white people were themselves subjected to very horrific mistreatment by other races in the past.
The ignorance of science is another factor, people often believe that some invisible system of institutional discrimination is the cause of different outcomes between racial groups, when the explanatory power of this hypothesis is very poor, the real cause is the different rates of distribution of traits and abilities between racial groups that mean there are more individuals with the things that correlate to what we regard as certain metrics of success in our society among some racial groups compared to others, and this would be true even if all the racial groups were actually equal, purely due to differences among individuals within these groups and the elements of randomness in which of these individuals get the opportunity to make the best of what they have.
Racial groups each have different levels of every trait, and this is something that would settle and calm down racial tensions, since it gives an explanation that mother nature is just not interested in creating a fair and just world, instead of the idea that one particular race should be singled out for never-ending hatred because they are all part of some conspiracy to keep everyone else down.
There is actually an element of truth to this, in that most Whites ARE actually conspiring to keep a race down, but that race is their own, when it comes to other races, they are doing everything they can to lift them up above themselves, because most Whites have also bought into the idea that they are part of some non-existent evil conspiracy behind the failings of all other races, and they try to fix it by creating a genuine conspiracy to do the exact opposite, this is doomed to fail, because they have wrongly identified the cause of the problems they try to face, and because they are trying to use politics to fight against human nature, which has a track record of always being a losing game in the end, the only ones not a part of this are the dissident right, as even the conservatives/republicans are playing into the false narrative.
The reason talking about differences between racial group in the number of individuals with certain traits that correlate to success is considered hateful is because it is seen as a way for White people to protect this conspiracy that all levels of our society is trying to fight against, and potentially as a way to incite hatred towards anyone who is pat of a racial group that is doing worse than Whites on aggregate.
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f2dd35 No.237457
>>237456
The issue I have here is that dissident Whites are vastly exaggerating the degree of differences between members of their race and those among the others, often referring to other races as almost universally consisting of unrealistic caricatures that at most describe only the very worst of their category, and they often attribute some level of inherent evil to all the members of these other groups which I know is not an accurate picture of the race as a whole, or even the majority, but instead can only describe a minority among them. As someone who lives around members of other races and interacts with them frequently whenever I go outside, this comes across as a disconnection with reality and the everyday experiences of most White people living in areas with a significant non-White population.
They overstate their case to the point that it no longer comes close to the truth of the facts, they overshoot and as a result they come across as crazy, stupid, and evil. They've got problems with understanding what all the information they have actually means, they have lost touch with the common experiences of most people in their societies. This has severely harmed their ability to advocate for their interests.
Most members of any racial group that you would encounter are going to be decent folks that want to be good people, most of whom are not criminal, and not particularly hateful towards White people, for example, most African Americans are people that you can get along with, many of them would be people you could even find yourself growing to like and become friendly towards.
Now, different races do tend towards having differing political preferences, which means their vote is diluting your political representation, and when compared to Whites they do tend to not contribute as much to the country in economic terms, and take out a lot more from the country in those same terms, both of these reasons still mean that Whites still have interests in getting a divorce even if the whole of the race were these law-abiding and good-natured type of people, but most of them won't want to harm you or your property, or hate on you for being White, they aren't your enemy, and do not deserve your ire, even those who are hostile to your race aren't always malicious, often they are perceiving you as a threat to them, or they are thinking the way they do because of being misinformed, and that is why they say the things they do, with thee cases, you only need to show them that you mean them no harm, and educate them on the facts that can at the very least show that your race is not so different from their own.
The sole exception being those of recent immigrant groups that move into into isolated communities created by people who had recently come from countries in Africa or the Middle East, or those who were born into them and had little interaction with those on the outside, these types have the intention of taking the country over, due to being a part of an organized effort to do so, they have come over with conquest in mind, or had been indoctrinated into a cultlike environment where conquest is explicitly their goal, in this particular case, it can be said that generalization is justifiable, not directly due to race/ethnicity, but due to a political/religious cult ideology that is particularly prevalent among specific ethnic groups of people, but in the event that people leave these communities and the ideology, they are no longer your enemy.
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8fec5b No.237458
Right VS. Left is a false dichotomy, both sides are the same, and there are no good Jews.
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f2dd35 No.237459
When you over-extend with generalization and exaggeration, you are insulting people who do not fit the insult and do not deserve to be insulted, when you talk about hating the whole group of them, most of the people in that group you declared hate for do not deserve any of it, but even if you refuse to accept that or don't care, there is another reason for wanting to tone down your hyperbolic rhetoric, and that is because you care about your political interests being advanced.
Like I said, when you talk about hating whole groups of people, and label them all as being the same in some way in which they are most generally not, you put off others who come across you, you make enemies out of potential allies, you turn potential assets against you, think about how a regular White person thinks and sees the world, what kind of experiences does he have every day? what would you think if you came across this community for the first time and saw the kinds of things we say here? how can you justify this, tactically or morally? you aren't "telling it like it is", the things you say are so overshot from the reality that they simply aren't true, and you aren't coming across as very sympathetic, either, you aren't coming across as interested in defending yourself, but rather in hurting others, you are killing our cause, not aiding it.
You are coming across as someone who has n clue what it's like outside his basement, someone who is delusional to the point of being dangerous.
You should be taking inspiration from the tactics and techniques of the black civil rights movement in the 50's-70's, the successful ones didn't come out talking about how they hated the group they saw as oppressing them, they kept the conversation on the problems their group was facing and that they wanted to address, making it about them, and not about the other group, as a result, they were able to gt support even from members of that group, and they were seen as being a part of a positive movement by the average onlooker, regardless of what the establishment of the time was saying about them, one encounter with them and you can see that it wasn't true.
Take a page from Hitler or Rockwell, make your speech and conduct about advocating for the interests of your people, and cut out all this stuff that gives the impression of you as a threat to another people, this only creates fear and resentment, and the reaction is hostility, the result is our movement dying out, you must advocate for what is good for White people, and you must also try to do the unthinkable and make advocacy for White interests appeal even to those who aren't White themselves. Your activism should be Pro-White, and not Anti-NonWhite in your activism. It is thusly that you can make gains. People need too understand you and see your cause in the most sympathetic light that they can, this means cutting out the things that make you look unsympathetic. You will stick to Race Realism and White Nationalism, but make it about making a better world for all races of men, and not about making it worse for everyone who isn't of your race. White Rights advocacy needs to be like Black Rights advocacy was, that approach worked. Cut out the "I hate Niggers" stuff from your vocabulary, it's not helping you at all. Hitler was Pro-German, not Anti-NonGerman.
I'll admit, his approach to the Jews needed some work though, but before you come to some false conclusion on what I'm saying here, first read the next post where I clarify what I mean.
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618622 No.237463
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8fec5b No.237469
>>237463
>(((altright)))
>muh based russia
fuck off kike
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f2dd35 No.237471
The second point is regarding the Jews.
"There are no good Jews" was supposed to be like "Tits or GTFO", a guideline, not a literal truth or a rule that should always be applied.
We all know there are lots of Jews who weren't/aren't out to get our people, there are definitely Jews who even advocate for us, even with regard to the JQ/JP.
- There is a conspiracy of powerful Jews against White people.
This is a fact that is 100% true, but again, the problem is that the right overstates the facts of the matter, it's not all Jews, its not even most Jews, and most of the Jews who are Anti-White are so because of feeling threatened by us or misinformed about the truths that shape their opinions of us.
We need to be specific, stick to the minimal facts of who is doing what, why they are doing it, and who they are working with in order to do the things they are doing. Yes, there is a conspiracy of powerful Jewish people who are conspiring against Whites because of a racial hatred for them, and they are working together to advance their goals of White disenfranchisement, ruin, enslavement, and genocide, yes, they were involved in similar plots in the past that were the true cause of atrocious horrors like the reign of the United Soviet Socialist Empire, and other communist movements, and yes, they do plan on conquering the whole of the world, as they are a part of an ideology that had the Jewish conquest of the world as their goal, and yes, they are using various organizations like the ADL and AIPAC to advance this agenda.
But no, all Jews are not insiders on this plot, not even most of the ones who hate White people are in on it, most are useful idiots, they hate because of misinformation of history and science or because of a misconception of us and our goals, which are NOT to "Gas the Kikes Race War Now" or "Day Of The Rope", but rather to "Secure The Existence Of Our People And a Future For White Children".
There are those we can reach, those who can be educated, and like the successful (((rights movements))) of the past, we can use the same strategy to accomplish similar goals. We need to focus on what we can do that has a record of having worked in the past, not on stuff that we can't do with a good chance of success, nor on something that has had only limited success in the past, if not having never been successful.
We need to pull our heads out of our asses and ask ourselves if we want to continue LARPing or if we want to change ourselves into a political force that can accomplish our desired goals, because right now, I'm not sue that your goals ARE advocating for White people, it seems that you have utter disregard for your own effectiveness in pursuing that, which is you stated intention, I think you just want to say naughty things on the internet, and that's it.
DO you care about the White race? then change your language and approach to something that can yield the necessary results! Cut out all the edgelord bullshit.
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f2dd35 No.237487
>>237458
Indeed, Right vs Left IS a false dichotomy, but when I use terms like "right" and "left" just mentally replace it with "us" and "everyone who disagrees with us", OK?
>>237469
The Alt-Right made significant gains with their approach. Just because the movement was flawed doesn't mean that there isn't something to be learned from them. The idea that everything they did should be discarded is a mode of thought that is going to cost us if we continue to hold to it.
Think of what they accomplished compared to what we have managed to achieve.
- They got people to actually talk to them about the issues they cared about, and they even got into debates with well-known figures and trounced them in what their audiences expected to be a curb-stomp in the opposite direction.
- They actually got White people and their advocates to start being seen and talked about as if they were people with understandable and sympathetic concerns.
- They got Pro-White people together, into groups, where they could form networks that would serve to undermine the tactics the left was using to silence their ideas, if one of them got fired, someone else they met at a rally could be there to give them a livelihood.
- They were winning in terms of the debates on politics, science, history, and culture, getting out in the open gave them the chance to be heard, and say the things that broke unprecedented ground.
- Even some of their failures turned out to have positive effects, for example, the events at Charlottesville and Berkley, these formed the basis of legends and started getting people together and organized into ideological groups, these events formed a legendary mythology that had made their ideas be taken seriously.
The alt-right was winning, even when massive amounts of their supporters got arrested, that was not necessarily a loss, because they got visible, they were able to be seen and speak for themselves, they could even organize together behind bars or spread their message there, lots of rights groups leaders and figures managed to wield significant influence from behind bars, the great fuhrer Adolf Hitler himself can be counted among them.
We should have not let that momentum die out, back in 2015, things were going in the direction that benefited our ideology, we should have been able to stay positive, and even the setbacks could have been re-framed in such as way as to benefit us.
We could have stayed visible and openly talked about Tarrant, saying things like how his act of terrorism was not defensible, but it was understandable, and getting people to talk uncomfortably about the real reasons he did what he did, then we could shift the focus to the events in the Bataclan Theatre, the same way defenders of the Islamic terrorists of the 90's and 00's were able to shift the conversation to topics lie the American involvement in the Middle East.
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8fec5b No.237492
>>237487
It's 2021. Alt-Right and everyone connected are irrelevant. Nazbol is irrelevant. No one is pivoting from Fascism/NatSoc to Communism. It's simply not happening. Instead, you find yourself in a rare spot: You can actually fuck off and stop promoting Bolshevik propaganda before you're hunted down like the traitor you are along with the rest of the pied-piper rejects. Or keep working against the U.S. and get buried.
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f2dd35 No.237496
We need to think strategically, we need to focus on the rules of power, the prince of machiavelli, the art of war of sun tzu, and yes, even those rules for radicals.
But the thing we should do above all is look at how the people who are above us now first acquired their position, I'm talking the specifics, is there anything they did that we couldn't do?
We are a rights movement, so we should look at the most successful rights movements of the past, yes, I am aware that they had (((shady backers))) with a lot of power behind the scenes, but not ultimate power, and ultimately, these rights causes needed to win over a significant amount of the common people to their way of thinking.
What we need to do is the same, we lack the backing, but we can still make do with what we have, and nothing is more valuable to possess than information.
We need to stop being distracted with ideological purity or the need for signalling to one another, instead we need to be cold and rational, we need to think about things in purely practical terms, and plan out our moves, how we are going to execute them, and so on.
We need to revive the old /b/ way of coordinating operations, people propose things to us, then they are looking to us to decide if it is a good idea worth acting upon, they are looking for confidence and validation, and a signal that others will be willing to back them up on it.
The response shouldn't be to just tell them it;s a terrible idea, or to do it themselves, the likely effect of that is that nothing gets done, and there will be jew-paid shills rubbing their hands in glee at this.
What we should do when a rubbish idea is presented (rubbish for any reason), is suggest alternatives in return, we need to think back to old /b/, and how they accomplished things, we need the same culture and attitude, those who do not follow this mindset are likely being paid to ensure that the rest of us follow suit, and thus they should be ignored.
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8fec5b No.237498
>>237496
>we
>old /b/
You're done. Enjoy the loneliness and irrelevancy.
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f2dd35 No.237500
>>237492
What the fuck are you talking about? are you in the wrong thread? Try reading the thread you are posting in before replying.
i get it, you are a shill responding to posts where I said things I never said, hoping that your short posts get read, and my long ones won't.
I never said anything about bolshevism and I'm not a bolshevik, nor am I saying we should imitate the alt right in everything, just that some of the things they did were actually very effective.
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8fec5b No.237502
>>237500
AltRight is a Bolshevik psyop. It's current year and we all know this. It's common knowledge. You're fucking stupid. Get out.
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f2dd35 No.237508
>>237498
You are just shilling and spamming sage here.
What was wrong with old /b/? They got things done, we are inactive, we need to figure out how they could affect so much and why we are paralyzed.
I'm thinking that (((you))) have something to do with that.
>>237502
You post is not relevant to the points I'm making.
This is why I took a break from the imageboards, it;s full of dumbasses like you shitting everything up.
Sagefags like you need to get banned, immediately. I understand doing it once, but repeatedly like this?
It's like you are afraid of something I said…
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f2dd35 No.237509
This whole site is sucks.
I can't post, keep getting error messages.
anyone else having issues?
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8fec5b No.237511
>>237508
kvetch harder kike. no communist revolution for (((you))). and fuck israel. fuck russia. fuck china. fuck you.
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f2dd35 No.237512
>>237511
Schizo.
Where have I said anything in this thread about supporting communism?
I'm talking about activism for White interests and White nationalism, nothing else.
I'm not a bolshevik, I support National Capitalism, which is as far as you can get from whatever the fuck you think I'm advocating for.
My thread is on adopting techniques for effective activism, and you are derailing it by responding to my posts as if I said things I never said.
MODS, PLEASE BAN THIS SHILL IMMEDIATELY
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8fec5b No.237514
>>237512
Alt-Right is Communism. You literally promoted the Alt-Right website and talking points. Fuck off kike. All you're receiving in the future is war.
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b89779 No.237516
>>237456
The biggest threat to all races - including Whites - comes down to economic suppression, via central banking ponzi schemes and the influential oligarchy it creates which, in turn, subverts and corrupts politics, governments and media even when not in the interest of the working class. It's happened over and over throughout history, Empire after Empire. And when the Empires these central banks and their oligarchs subvert and exploit start to demise and become financially insolvent and bankrupt, the working class always are the ones who suffer most from it. The outcome is almost always war in an act of desperation, wars typically funded by the same oligarchy who only hold loyalty with those that win the next wars.
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f2dd35 No.237519
>>237514
I never promoted the Alt-Right website.
This post >>237463 was not made by me, and you are a rotten fucking liar for claiming that.
I never said anything about Russia, China or Israel, you don't know what mu opinions are on any of them, truth be told, I don't fucking care about Russia or China at all.
Isreal is another matter, I think it is a country that should never have been founded and it would be good if it were wiped off the map.
I hate how they have Jewish Nationalistic policies, but engage in the Loxist pursuit of sending third-world shitholers to White countries, which were founded for White people, in order to fuck us and our lands up.
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8fec5b No.237525
>>237519
see
>>237469
to which you responded
>>237487
Samefag is same. YOU responded to a post that wasn't direct at you? Fuck off samefag kike. No Nazbol for you.
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f2dd35 No.237530
>>237514
As for "Alt-Right Talking Points" I never endorsed them, I'm not familiar enough with what they supported to do so, as I formed most of my political knowledge from what I found on imageboards.
I endorse only effective activism for the 14, and nothing else, I evaluate what approaches to activism has worked and what hasn't.
The effective approaches are good for any cause when applied for their advocacy, the tactics of political activism are apolitical, so using some of the approaches that the Alt-right used doesn't mean using them to advocate for the same things they did.
If the approach used to advocate for cause X has worked in favor of advancing that cause, then Cause Y could figure out how to use the same approaches to for their cause, even if Cause Y is directly opposed to Cause X, the techniques used should have similar effects for it.
But ultimately how the effectiveness of the two causes plays out depends on the inherent merits of cause X and cause Y.
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f2dd35 No.237531
>>237525
But I never endorsed their platform, i only commented on the methods of activism they used to forward that platform, I'm not familiar enough with what they supported to do so, as I formed most of my political knowledge from what I found on imageboards.
I endorse only effective activism for the 14, and nothing else, I evaluate what approaches to activism has worked and what hasn't.
The effective approaches are good for any cause when applied for their advocacy, the tactics of political activism are apolitical, so using some of the approaches that the Alt-right used doesn't mean using them to advocate for the same things they did.
If the approach used to advocate for cause X has worked in favor of advancing that cause, then Cause Y could figure out how to use the same approaches to for their cause, even if Cause Y is directly opposed to Cause X, the techniques used should have similar effects for it.
But ultimately how the effectiveness of the two causes plays out depends on the inherent merits of cause X and cause Y.
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8fec5b No.237555
>>237531
Is the Alt-Right irrelevant?
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f2dd35 No.237564
>>237555
It seems to be, at least right now.
I'm saying that their 2015-2020 tactics of being loud and visible, and making the best case for their positions with the perception of them by their audience in mind was a good approach, one that would work well for any cause.
They fell short and lost steam, yes, but so did the Rough Riders, doesn't mean their political approach when they WERE relevant weren't effective, they obviously were.
Ignoring the Alt-Right altogether, we'd do better to look at the Black civil right's movement of the 50's and 60's for inspiration.
Look at how the most effective advocated for Black civil rights conducted their activism, most importantly, look at how they presented their cause to others.
They weren't all "kill Whitey", because if they were saying the things about White people that we tend to say about the groups we are opposing, they would never have gained the traction they did, the whole movement would have never taken off, or just crashed and burned (and unfortunately, that did not occur).
It's all about advertisement and public relations, knowing your audience and how to make a connection with them so that your message reaches them in it's best-looking form.
This isn't cucking for optics, that is when you betray the message for approval, or when you handicap the effectiveness of your activism by panicking for PR management.
Our message is intact, and we should be prepared with a plan to make an aggressive push for our demands under any circumstances, such as how I described we could have made the Christchurch massacre work for us instead of against us.>>237555
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8fec5b No.237587
>>237564
>I'm saying that their 2015-2020 tactics of being loud and visible
are exactly why they're irrelevant.
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1c12d3 No.237651
>>237512
> MODS, PLEASE BAN THIS SHILL IMMEDIATELY
Newfriend doesn't know!
Nonetheless, I read every word, and agree with enough of it to give you a bump; especially considering that you raised the literacy level in here significantly (no great feat, but kudos for that, and extra kudos for setting off Sage-fag!)
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f2dd35 No.237700
>>237651
You are correct, I am new to this site, and thank you for your kind words. I appreciate it.
But seriously, people who spam sage at threads they don't like need to be reigned in, what are the mods even doing here?
Also what is up with all the issues I w been having with making posts on here? Someone needs to troubleshoot this place.
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6f7696 No.237702
>>237700
>what are the mods even doing here?
lel
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f0c626 No.237703
>>237700
Mods?
You are a child of the www standing at the first gate leading to real internet. This is going to all be new to you.
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cad9cd No.237984
>>237703
If there are no moderators, how can this site stay up without being spammed with cp?
Considering the spamming of this board seemingly started to occur right after this thread was created, I'm guessing I said something that really riled up some people who are afraid that what I have to say might take off.
The saging faggot who tried to kill this thread with misrepresentation and purity spiraling attempts at poisoning of the well didn't take enough hold, so they decided to just nuke the board by spamming threads.
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1f0258 No.238199
>>237456
>>237457
I can tell you have not ever been a minority White person around non-whites groups, you are sheltered by long winded redundant self harming optimism conclusions from lack of experience of explaining enemies actions while the anti-Whites act regardless and you obviously haven't taken a look in to the whole history of Europeans. One thing has never changed they want everything from White People otherwise they will destroy your nation overtime from brown over population in the middle of a drought. This has never changed. The Yamnaya tribes Europeans were the first indigenous of China/Mongolia 2k-50k years agos Europeans were the indigenous of China, Jomon and Ainu the first tribes of Japan. Both these European tribes are noted to giving the bronze age and stone age technology like the wheel , metallurgy, animal husbandry to proto-eastasians. In China the tribal Yamnaya soon found themselves the first known walled cities of China after 30k years ago. Except intense amounts of proto-eastasians kept arriving in North China often to raid farms or settlements. Eurasians tribes were created which further weakened the Yamnaya because now they had too appease certain asian tribes and give up land.The Yamnaya fought these troglodytes asians for millenniums. The Eurasians everytime became their own group in the middle of European population. Then a huge drought happened. Yamanaya were at now a threat of a huge swathes of proto-eastasians pouring over with war again so the Yamnaya reconquered them going as far as India and all of Mongolia, China and parts of Korea where ever they spread. Now repeat this every thousand years up until 11k years ago with different asian groups invading First Europe (asia). A few Yamanya descendants survived mostly Eurasian and in North Chinas mountains well when islam invaded they nearly wiped out the last European tribes the rest converted. The real reason why the Chinese are wiping out Uyghurs is because they are the closest European indigenous of China. These Yamnaya are modern day Scandinavians.
You know where else asians and non-whites have tried to invade recently for the past 20 thousand years , Europe. They already successfully created numerous mutt tribes in whats now called Central Asia aka old Europes borders. Now for the first time they have entire brown, asian and black people swarm plagues feeding on the wounded Europe whether or not those swarms are here to be "good" they are fundamentally a parasite and kicking your baby birds out the nest so you can feed theirs if they take any presence in a White nation.
Now heres the thing you can repeat this whole scenario with old or ancient Proto-Europeans civilizations in Japan,Central Asia, India, Middle East, North Africa, North America and South America. I implore you to read the start of the end of the civilizations(non-white) and what they looked like after a brown arachai shithole living in European ruins , some even practicing traditions that were never theres.
So the problem in the end is always White People can't afford to have any non-white groups amongst their population because either they mix in well and then proceed to create their own group which eventually ends up back with the non-whites only keeping bastard parts of our culture then their low iq retarded non-white descendants think THEY CREATED IT.
Or they overpopulate White People when it has surplus and proceed to devour the White civilization at first signs of trouble so they either have to be wiped out or White People leave.
Now what if i told you non-whites are actually devolved species and will continue too devolve from too much archaic humanoid admixture overpopulation that scientifically speaking forced generational sterilization programs on asians, browns and blacks is a requirement for progress. The East Asians for example can only copy even though their fundamental difference between to proto-eastasians is that they have Ancient European grandfathers. So thats the best you can hope for a racial group 2nd to White People theres a mile long gap between the Superior an the beta ,stagnation until destruction is all you get with non-whites at best.
So all of this is currently going on again but much more rapidly and artificially. All the asians, browns and blacks think they are entitled to White People and everything we make no matter how many generations, this no different then their ancestors 5k 10k or 50k years ago. Where the only end is war against White People again. Until non-whites devolve further and attack each other.
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f2dd35 No.238232
>>238199
You aren't telling me anything new, and I'm not arguing against advocating for White Nationalism and the securing of an ethnostate for our people, what I'm talking about is HOW we go about getting this, the fact that we need to secure it is not a question.
I'm aiming for campaigning for this by taking inspiration from how other groups have successfully advocated for what they wanted in the past.
There's more to this than just trying to appeal to other races, it's actually primarily concerned with appearing reasonable to others of our own race, THOSE are the people most standing in our way pf getting what we want, and THEY are worried that what we want is not a country where our people have political soveriegnty and a secure future, but that we are using that as an excuse for what they assume is our true, but concealed, goal - the annihilation or oppression of other races.
Most of our own people assume we want to use the state to violate the person or property of Non-Whites, and when you talk about how much you despise entire racial groups and want them wiped out, that only serves to confirm their suspicions about us.
Even in our own movement, not many people want to be a part of such a thing as killing or stealing from an entire race of people, even one that has a lot of members who have done our people wrong.
The idea of a peaceful acquisition of the White Ethnostate, and on terms that are not only peaceful, but beneficial to all people, regardless of race, is something we need to be advocating for as a possibility and a goal worth supporting.
The difference between you and me is not that we disagree on the need to bring an end to the cohabitation, the relationship of our people to other people is so dysfunctional that it is beyond salvaging.
The difference between you and me is that you appear to advocate for domestic homicide, shooting them out of the house, while I would rather we try to advocate for an amicable divorce, where all parties can go their separate ways in peace, and each can benefit from the split.
And the way I want to accomplish this is to do a good job of studying the successful movements in the past that have accomplished their major political goals without needing to win a martial conflict, their goals were different from ours, in the overwhelming majority of cases they were ideologically opposed to us, but the most successful strategies are the same no matter what "product" you are selling.
By studying these cases, we can figure out how to emulate them for our own causes benefit.
We should also pay careful attention to the many writings on how political change can be achieved peacefully, there are a lot of guides to study, and the advice they give tends not to contradict each other.
These movements in the past were all appealing to Whites, but so is oir movement, by appealing directly to members of other races, we are indirectly appealing to the members of our own.
When they see us talking about how the problems both sides are facing can be solved, talking about the causes behind them, and whether a correct diagnosis had been made, and doing so with respect and politeness towards our conversational partners (not being needlessly offensive or confrontational) we come out looking better to the White onlookers Than we otherwise would.
It would improve our image, even moreover if the response we get is the one you likely expect us to receive, and we can build on that impact by responding to their response by making the best possible assumptions of them, and trying to show understanding for their reasons to be distrustful or scared of us, and angry or confused by our actions towards them.
Sometimes being kind while holding true to your beleifs and opinions, is going to yield maximum results even of we don't reach the other side, we don't need to, we only need to reach the White people who see the interactions, by being the clearly better choice, morally and factually, we can gain a lot of followers in short order.
And those non-Whites whom we do win over, they would be very welcome allies to work with.
We need to get across why the divorce needs to happen, why it must be on racial terms, and how it can be done without resorting to anything that could make people feel guilty for being involved in.
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f2dd35 No.238234
>>238232
Addendum, We also need to get across how the divorce can be be beneficial to all parties, not just those who are White.
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2f43eb No.239370
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af26fb No.239376
>>237456
Hey guys leftists are on pnd now. They come with this face meme. Zioshits also spam it.
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4afdbf No.239482
Your garbage "grievances" are the result of you partaking in Jewish Imperialism and suffering from the obvious consequences.
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f2dd35 No.239502
>>239482
Well, all that was done long before we were born, nothing any of us could do about it, the only way from here is forward.
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065b2f No.239504
>>237459
The thing is, that if we were to actually consider organizing our struggle in order to formulate a way that would allow us and our movement to grow and pursue the goals we want to see realized we'd collapse the moment people would start discussing anything remotely serious. To me all of the alt-right culture that flourished on the internet is just a way for people to identify themselves. It is not a homogeneous group of like-minded individuals, but rather an amalgamation of schizos, actual retards, ironic retards, feds, incels, people who are in just for the bants, shitposters and everything else that didn't come in my head right now. How can you pretend to create something that actually works out of this? If we need to be practical, we need to be practical: it is simply not feasible to create a movement like jogger lives matter did it, end of the story.
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af26fb No.239505
op is zioshit. do not bump thread. this fag never appeared on 8kun until now.
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8be976 No.239543
>>239505
What I'm asking is for the advocates for white men to adopt a position that the most important thing they can do is work on acquiring sympathy for our movement, to adopt sympathetic demands and make sympathetic arguments.
We need to worry about looking like the good guys that we are, the reasonable and peaceful ones, free of hatred or fear, and the oy ones lacking in the desire to commit acts of aggression against person or property, directly or through the power of the state.
We need to focus on clearing up misunderstandings and ignorance, or exposing lies.
We need to focus on doing the same things other successful rights groups had done, but for our cause, it all comes down to support and how we are seen by others, that all comes down to the management of public image and relations.
When we reach out to Black or Jewish people, and convert some of them into allies of ours, we are not doing it with that as our primary intention, the purpose of doing the outreach was to put on a show for the White people watching us do it, to put on a display of what a reasonable willingness to negotiate a way that satisfies all parties, and for them to respond reflexively with a display of their blind hostility and lack of reason.
They come out looking like the ones causing the issues amd conflicts, because they are the ones who cannot be appeased, and are unwilling to even make the attempt to settle the situation when given the opportunity to do so.
This is what will draw the White onlookers to us, they just want to end the hostilities and conflicts, when it's clear that only we have the power to give them this, they will throw themselves in with us.
But only of we clean up our image beforehand, and we need to work on the optics of our cause and what it does and doesn't imply, giving a good image to something demonized as the worst of evils for over three decades is going to be tough, but luckily for us, the ones who were behind the tarnishing of our image have lost a lot of grace in the eyes of the people, we can use this opportunity if we get serious about this.
First thing we do is read up, learn about successful causes and rights movements and their keys to victory, look up various writings on strategy and examples of when they were implied, things like the art of war, Machiavelli's prince, 48 rules of power, strategies of successful people, and even the rules for radicals, think of ways each can be adapted to achieving your goals.
Think of what a peaceful, voluntary, and mutually beneficial arrangement of securing the existence of your people would look like, do not dismiss it as a possibility, really put some effort into it, I did, and came up with the answer in less than an hour.
We need to look better, we need to want a solution to our problems that everyone can be satisfied with, not for the sake of those not like us, but for the sake of those like us to whom this is a concern.
Next thing to do is organize, organize events, not groups, but events and activities that would be likely to draw people of our mindset to us, without our ideology being an explicit part of the event itself.
This event can be hosted online, or in some location offline, we just need people to gather and to socialize.
I want to have people exchanging contact information so that networks can form, these networks can influence each other, support each other in hard times, share information, coordinate further activities and events, and provide moral support as well, it also makes the job of subversive elements harder, and makes them easier to identify and counter, lastly, a private conversation in person is much harder to minotor, and if any sort of revolutionis to happen, that is what is going to spark it, private conversations between like minded individuals.
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f2dd35 No.239731
>>239543
This week, I attended a Freedom Rally in Waterloo, and another one in Edmonton.
I held meetings with candidates and association executives in Calgary and Red Deer.
I had time to briefly meet supporters during a stopover in Vancouver.
Everywhere I spread the same message: No more lockdowns. Smaller government. Freedom. Responsibility. Fairness. Respect.
I’m still on the road.
I will be touring Manitoba for the next three days.
That is, if the provincial despot Brian Pallister and his goons don’t try to stop me.
I received a threatening letter from Mike Leblanc, manager of the Health Protection Unit with the Manitoba Department of Health.
He says I cannot attend rallies and have to self-quarantine at my hotel for the whole duration of my stay.
I don’t intend to surrender my constitutional rights.
Meeting Canadians on the ground across the country to bring them the PPC message involves a lot of work and planning from many people.
It also costs money.
And although it sounds crazy to say this, it’s dangerous these days in Canada.
I’ve received five tickets so far. And I could be arrested in Manitoba.
I need your help to continue this fight.
Please make a generous donation of 10$ today to the People’s Party, or whatever you can afford.
Many thanks,
-Max
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c8c26c No.239743
>>237512
>I support National Capitalism
Bro, noooooo!
That's liberalism, capitalism undermines the efforts of any good organization.
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