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>>184134

>there are so many holocaust survivors

They would have to have something to survive first. You don’t need to refute any individual testimony (there are countless examples, though):

https://archive.fo/7ej9n

https://archive.fo/HmXPX

https://archive.fo/bIeo0

https://archive.fo/DAciz

https://archive.fo/b3dUg

https://archive.fo/flmqd

https://archive.fo/YCjGj

https://www.bitchute.com/video/gRemXnwQMG9J/

Because you can simply refute the physical possibility of a holocaust having ever happened at all. The laws of physics prevent the action from having taken place. The camp records and documents/communications captured by the allies DURING the war explicitly refute it.

>>184245

>latest available data

No, I have those books. I bought the ‘37, ‘38, ‘47, and ‘48. The later ones say nothing about using pre-war data. In fact, they explicitly say data comes from 1948, and that it’s jews who were compiling the data.

>>184255

Hang on, that’s from an encyclopedia from 1950. Here’s the ‘48 (first image) and the ‘38 (which you’re claiming is the ‘48. I can show the cover to prove you wrong if you like, you filthy yid.

>>184241

>>184243

>>184245

You're just hung up on specific numbers, nothing you posted proves that jews were mass executed. 6 million jews weren't executed. 1.67 million jews weren't executed. 150,000 jews weren't executed. [insert number here] jews weren't executed...

>>184134

I've found the most effective way to challenge the holohoax is to explain that WW2 was an immoral war. The allies were the objectively evil side at the start and that in order to justify their actions that if there was no holohoax they'd have to fabricate one.

Most people of average education and intelligence are aware of communist atrocities. Remind them that the Cheka were already murdering 100,000s of innocent Russians in the 1920s. Remind them that the communists had attempted bloody revolutions all over eastern Europe after WW1 causing millions of deaths. Where they succeeded they immediately began executing innocent civilians. Communism is, by far, the most evil ideology the world has ever seen. It invariable leads to the mass, systematic murder of innocent civilians. The allied leaders knew this before the war and supported the communists anyway.

At the beginning of the war there were no accusations of atrocities from the Germans, they were well known for conducting the war with honor and class. It wasnt until the war with Russia that accusations of German atrocities started popping up in areas controlled by the Russians where the communists had been committing atrocities.

In order to justify our involvement in WW2 the Germans had to have done a ruthless mass murder with at least a similar depravity and scale to what the communists were doing. If not we would have had to invent it. We needed them to be just as evil and monstrous as our allies to negate the fact that we directly caused the death and suffering of all who fell under the yoke of the communist terror. The German leaders had to be tortured into confessing at Nuremberg. We had to find mass graves. We also had to find a way that they didn't simply die of disease or combat, but that they were executed and tortured for absolutely no reason but that the Germans were just as evil as the communists. This would be the only way we could assuage our guilt at having fought and unjust war.

Now drop the subject and let them stew on it.

This technique uses many of the most important tricks of persuasion. It's presenting widely accepted information in a different way. They are forced to work through the information they have on their own without outside intervention to resolve a cognitive dissonance. You aren't claiming the holohoax is fake, you're just pointing out that it's necessary that it's believed. They come to the conclusion on their own that it's fake and in an argument with themselves they can't get defensive or block out their own mind. You are planting the seed that will inevitably blossom into the the obvious truth.

From there they can be given all the other information about wooden doors and whatever else and they will have opened themselves up to accept it. You've also primed people for the fact that the US government and their greatest allies are the most evil governments in the world. This is the path that leads the normie to hating zionists and jews.

Once they are primed to be skeptical the single strongest piece of evidence is all you need. The fake shower gas chambers have been scientifically proven to be a lie. No more needs to be said, the entire holohoax narrative falls apart when this lie is exposed.

>>184134

Here. If your family member thinks any of these are legit, s/he needs a kick in the twat. There's another vid that I don't appear to have anymore where it's an elderly jewess who talks about getting put in the "showers." She suddenly gets a very sly look on her face and proceeds to tell the interviewer how God saved them by miraculously turning the gas into water. Now I'm not going to say that God was incapable of that very miracle, but I find it telling that the Germans let them exit the shower without either A) falling to their knees and praising the Lord for His miracles, dedicating themselves to spreading His Word or B) Shooting all the girls in the head as a backup plan. Which leaves us with C) It was always a fucking shower.

>>184363

Found some more

>>184350

You're failing because you're trying to force your way through this roadblock instead of going around it.

There are many effective ways to un-brainwash someone who believes in the holohoax. Bashing your head against their most deeply held beliefs isn't one of them.

Their belief is based on a number of foundations. Fake showers, confessions, photos of mass graves and, survivor stories are common ones. The way to unfuck someone's head is not to go after the hardest ones first, but to go after the easiest ones. For most people the survivor stories is easy because the stories are ridiculous and dozens of kikes have admitted they were lying. However if you're dealing with someone who that doesn't work on, go after the other lies first.

Get them to agree that anyone who is coerced into a confession is innocent in a general sense, then get them to admit the Nuremberg confessions were gained under torture. Now point out their hypocrisy.

Get them to agree that photos of emaciated bodies from a war zone are most likely people who died of disease or starvation. Then ask if the holohoax mass graves are consistent with people who died of disease. Now ask if they have any evidence that they were murdered.

Show them the obviously fake photos and ask why, if there is so much evidence, the allies would need to fake more?

Once you've gotten them to admit that the confessions were bogus, the showers were bogus, the bodies of "murdered jews" were bogus and the photos were bogus you won't have to attack the fake stories of survivors who are obviously lying.