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>>157986
>So a lot of the black cube symbolism is related to this as well as the 'sky father' symbolism like the Swastika.
>>149020
>What does this movement 'in time' generate? Entropy. What is it's logical conclusion? Dissolution. It's the same when applied to metaphysical/spiritual matters. As above, so below. But what is this 'immovable mover' , this hidden (black) sun that everything rotates around and which devours everything, even light? It exists on both macro and microcosm levels, where laws of physics seemingly begin to lose their authority.
We all try to search for positive meaning of darkness, yet raven is alchemical nigger, the real question for all my love towards white race and preservation of people of Light, i have guts to reveal here that Germany was worshiping (Forward going) Time and Death? Because for all communist scythe was a saturnalian symbol, so were the swastika and black sun (some slavs draw symbol of sun with scythes going towards right, peak saturnalian symbol). Germanic/celtic symbol of the sun was four sided. It usually symbolized itself with 8 pointed heavens or 4 pointed symbol of sun. "Skull on me hat" has alchemical significance. Anon has right idea that swastika is also a cube. Even within geometries of Indra it fits same places. When it comes to trinitarian "swastika" it actually symbolizes Trinity of winter triangle. Now for the "swastika" to mean infinity, it needs to go to both places, opposite spirals. By going into opposite directions at the same time stops, signifying immortality of generation. Hence it used to be inside another swastika, that goes into opposite direction.
Basically its a symbol of swifter death, unlocked forward going time is Jörmungandr causing Ragnarök. But at the same time one has to admit that current symbol of 8kun is same as swastika, by this logic, since it has same meaning of Acceleration.
But wait there's more to information i provide. Our current pole star forming our "swastika" is Polaris, its moving to the left, but unlocks tail on the right, represented by seven stars of Time. We're getting new pole star between 10th millennium AD and 13,700 AD. But you know what also happens in 12k AD (precisely 12.005 (X12012, on that later))? Sirius, the head of the Trinity of winter triangle, Son of who is Venus will turn red. Just like Sirius turned blue in 05 AD. Sun with Sirius revolve around one another forming Vesica Piscis.
1CE marks start of new 8 year Venusian cycle, 33 AD is considered the year when Jesus was crucified. But if you add 7 additional years, it forms 40 years Venusian cycle. By Venusian cycle right now its the year X2027. Sirius turned blue at Venusian year X12.
Venusian Cycle is 8 years, Generation = 40 years, Epoch - 480 years, Aeon = 1,440 years.
Solomon's Temple began to be built 1,440 years after the Flood. In 7 BCE, it was exactly 1,440 years since Moses hypothetically led his people through the Red Sea, according to Book of Hiram.
1480 is the year of crucifixion of Jesus from Exodus.
1488 is one more Venus cycle after that, year 41 AD. Caligula died that year, the person who installed his own statue in Temple of Jerusalem and his successor Claudius restores religious freedom to Jews. As well as formation of Christians as "Christians". Basically Rome bend its knees in front of Jews exactly 1488 years since Exodus.
Adolf Hitler was appointed chancellor of Germany in 1933 (X1940). Plus 8 more years (1941/X1948), in 1941, Germany led the European Axis powers in an invasion of the Soviet Union. X1952 is dividable by 8. -7 missing years of birth of Jesus, we get 1945. Year Germany was defeated.
Consider X (1440+) since Exodus.
2033 (X2040) will be 51 venusian generations since birth of Anointed Lord.
1993 (X2000) was the most significant year, because it was 50 venusian generations since birth of Anointed Lord. 50*40, 5 is Venus and 4 is Sun in hermetica.
300 venusian generations will be year 12k, when Sirius will turn Red.
Think of this what you will.
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08c8c6 No.158248
Spoiler alert anon:
They aren't actually 'jews'. They aren't even from this planet. If you want to defeat them you have to form an opposing force that will defeat them, which was what Germany was trying to do that you have criticized here:
>that Germany was worshiping (Forward going) Time and Death?
Also, Western Europe is fucked. We have no 'safe place' to go to escape our enemies and there are VERY FEW of us left who are a pure race.
I will follow your OP but most of the time we need a little 'time off' for good behavior :^) before we can really get a good discussion going again.
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ce8f24 No.158261
Second for Ben Shapiro ABSOLUTELY DESTROYING HIS OWN MARXIST SJW GOONS ACCIDENTALLY
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a7da7a No.158265
>>158248
>They aren't even from this planet.
Entire humanity may as well not be from this planet anon. Just like Intelligence itself is foreign, illogical within what's logical.
>'time off' for good behavior before we can really get a good discussion going again.
I just wanted to reply to anons on the sethian acceleration of imagery in Germany itself. Black sun was always primary symbol of death. There are some questionable esoteric choices as well as the second meaning of 1488 (Caligula's Death), that's positive for the jews, was Germany duped by their own freemasonic maguses?
Anyway, for Masonic epochs, i calculate those dates, we're currently living in Second Epoch of Second Aeon from Siriuses change of color and 7BC as 1440 years post Exodus (first 12 years of first generation from 7BC to 5AD shouldn't be counted precisely for what they are, cause mistakes are possible):
Sirius turning Blue: 5AD (X12)
First Generation: 7BC-33AD (X1-X40)
First Epoch: 7BC-473AD (x1-X480)
Second Epoch: 474AD-953AD (x481-x960)
Third Epoch (And closing of first Aeon): 954AD-1433AD (x961-x1440)
First Epoch of Second Aeon: 1434AD-1913AD (end of Balkan War) (x1441-x1920)
Second Epoch of Second Aeon: 1914AD (Start of World War 1) - 2393AD (x1921-x2400)
8 Venusian/Masonic Aeons is 11520 years. Revolving of Sirius around one of his half paths requires 12k years.
Last time Sirius changed from blue to red 14022 years ago, that's 9,7375 Venusian Aeons. 0,7375 is 1062 years (958AD was the end of Second Epoch of First Aeon is the end of 9th Siris-Venusean Aeon from previous change of color), 0,2625 is 378 years. By Venusian Epochs of Sirius, the 10th Sirius-Venus Aeon will start in 2398AD, which correlates with the end of Second Epoch of Second Venusian Aeon, which is our age of counting from more recent change of color. The difference in 5 years because Sirius turned blue at 5AD, so i accounted for that.
But anyway, our generational Epoch is fully shaped by the period from start of the World War 1 and up to 2393-2400. The entirety of current cultural hold is not going to easily sway, and one of its results was restoration of Israel, rediscovery of lost knowledge, birth of the internet and space exploration, and most gruesome wars, which are significant for this calendar.
And i am pretty sure someone did this better than me, i just take accounts from second hands.
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08c8c6 No.158268
>>158265
Caligula Germanicus was slandered after his death. He was born from German Nobility and the only thing 'he did wrong' with his life was fight against jewish hegemony just like Nero Germanicus who tried to preserve the Republic as well against jewish attack. You will notice a pattern of slander by the jews against anyone who opposes them and the people who are most successful are slandered the most viciously (Nero, Hilter, Caligula, etc, etc)
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e1ed6b No.158272
>>158268
They all also seem to share common ground with epoch of weimar-like decadence before and after their rulership. Its 4 Venusian epochs between Caligula and Hitler. First Generation ended with Death of Caligula, First Epoch ended with Death of Rome. Who knows if European Union will hold by the end of our Epoch. Same goes for Israel. Some Empire must crumble.
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08c8c6 No.158275
>>158272
The battle is for the crown of jewels that is the Western European empire against the semitic hidden empire. This raping of what is moral and worthy seems to produce the psychic slime essence that the jew thrives in. Perhaps that is its method of reproduction and only means of 'producing an egg' for its next generation…who knows.
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e1ed6b No.158299
>>158275
One would wonder if 1920 on your coin is a year, and not an esoteric number of forth venusian epoch (480*4), especially with triangle of masons on the side. They were planning mass racemixing from the start. They say in 1920 commiefornia had huge occult explosion, but if that's true they got the date wrong. From Exodus X1920 (1913 in AD) was year 3360.
For them it was Seven Venusian Epoch since Exodus.
Notice the significance of Seven and Four. Its a Lunar Epoch for the Jews, but Solar epoch for the Christians according to Hermetica.
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08c8c6 No.158311
>>158299
Don't know. I only know that the 'angels of God' are making good on their promise to slaughter the children of Lilith unless she gets busy fucking their subhuman nigger pets. Never going to happen, btw. I would rather die. But I know they will force the agenda; they are currently forcing the agenda…what to do…what to do…I wanted to kill all the subhumans so that we could live in peace. This seems to be the only way to deal with this in a permanent manner. If only I could get Christians on board with killing the subhuman scum. {sigh}
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e1ed6b No.158326
>>158311
Calm down agent, i am redpilling you too.
Lilith is surprisingly associated with imagery of Inanna where it matters. Isaiah 34 11-15:
KJV:
>But the cormorant and the bittern shall possess it; the owl also and the raven shall dwell in it: and he shall stretch out upon it the line of confusion, and the stones of emptiness. They shall call the nobles thereof to the kingdom, but none shall be there, and all her princes shall be nothing.And thorns shall come up in her palaces, nettles and brambles in the fortresses thereof: and it shall be an habitation of dragons, and a court for owls.The wild beasts of the desert shall also meet with the wild beasts of the island, and the satyr shall cry to his fellow; the screech owl also shall rest there, and find for herself a place of rest. There shall the great owl make her nest, and lay, and hatch, and gather under her shadow: there shall the vultures also be gathered, every one with her mate.
NAB 12-17:
>Her nobles shall be no more, nor shall kings be proclaimed there; all her princes are gone. Her castles shall be overgrown with thorns, her fortresses with thistles and briers. She shall become an abode for jackals and a haunt for ostriches. Wildcats shall meet with desert beasts, satyrs shall call to one another; There shall the Lilith repose, and find for herself a place to rest. There the hoot owl shall nest and lay eggs, hatch them out and gather them in her shadow; There shall the kites assemble, none shall be missing its mate. Look in the book of the LORD and read: No one of these shall be lacking, For the mouth of the LORD has ordered it, and His spirit shall gather them there. It is He who casts the lot for them, and with His hands He marks off their shares of her; They shall possess her forever, and dwell there from generation to generation.
Cats and Owls seem to be associated with the motive of babylonian Burney Relief. And i already know it fits in venusian geometries (and even Christian/Child-Horuses ones, where owls replaced with Shekinah Angels of Covenant, or where Child-Horus stands on crocodiles same way this figure stands on wild cats).
Its the 14 part that's important, that reads in hebrew:וּפָגְשׁוּ צִיִּים אֶת-אִיִּים, וְשָׂעִיר עַל-רֵעֵהוּ יִקְרָא; אַךְ-שָׁם הִרְגִּיעָה לִּילִית, וּמָצְאָה לָהּ" "מָנוֹח
(man its hard to copy hebrew text, those people even read backwards) לילית (Lilith) seem to mean owl/satyr, but it also may be attempt by Isaiah (who again is anti-babylonian and spoke against morning star) to slander doves/angels of Venus. Owl removes rodents just like cats do.
I always take Isaiah with a grain of salt, unlike Zechariah.
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08c8c6 No.158334
>>158326
>Calm down agent, i am redpilling you too.
Lol…because only an 'agent of the state' would ever 'be against' the destruction of Western Civilization. Hahaha…no one else would care…too funny anon…it wouldn't be funny unless it was actually true that only a glownigger would bother to give a shit about Western Civilization and that the people who live in it shit on it daily and care nothing for it.
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08c8c6 No.158350
Christianity is a BLOODLINE. Not a 'religion'.
Judaism is a BLOODLINE. Not a 'religion'.
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805465 No.158351
>>158228
Do note that the redshift required to turn a blue giant star red is something like 50% the speed of light. And that not only can no binary system exist at those speeds, we’ve measured absolutely no resonance or connection between Sirius and the Sun at any speed.
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3aed19 No.158356
>>158268
i was thinking about this too. What about Hadrian? He fucking absolutely APED on the yids, went completely medieval on them, but you look at Hadrian's wikipedia page and he's fuckin considered a homo.
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b37a67 No.158357
>>158351
Yeah, Sirius and Sun is a very old correlation calculated by ancient egyptians. But today's scientists don't believe in astrology or affection of any energies from outer space or even outer dimensions on humankind, disregard nature of soul and openly declare we're only sacks of flesh. So we've got to work with what we have, and what our enemies believe in as well and use to act exactly as they are told by those "stars". Even though we know even from theurgists that supra-celestials are above all that is in the heavens or in material nature, and celestial bodies are just representation of a coded message. Just like many other forms of Logos in our life. Light is the key to opening this up, as very source of Intellect.
>>154721
>Sobek was associated with Kingship, the crocodile oil and the Messiah
Yep, the anointing oils were made from crocodile fat. Never knew "crocodile tears" had esoteric meaning. The very tears with which Mary washed Christ's legs were that. Isis tears.
Even coffin text 148 alludes to Magdalene's Egg. I left whole text of the spell, i think even "the blue one" alludes to this change of color of the Sirius. Orpheus probably was heavily influenced by those texts as well.
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6b8535 No.158362
>>158357
She washed his feet though meaning that there would be a restoration of his future offspring. In the Bible the feet are equated with future offspring as in the Feet in the dream of nebuchadnezzar which are destroyed by the Stone that falls from Heaven. I am not sure yet because it is a new thought, however I do know that washing the feet instead of the head indicates the fulfillment of the Prophecy of Genesis.
“He shall bruise your head and you shall bruise his heel.”
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b37a67 No.158370
I also want real quick to correlate two Anointed Lords. Egyptian spell 150 about Horus and Bhagavad-Gita VII-12:
>I have power over them but they have no power over me
and
>I am not in them, they are in Me
Both texts right after that proceed to talk about "doers of evil" or the ones who are doomed/senseless, eaters of soul, seduced by uncanny power.
But most importantly both are about lack of attunement/unity with the God when it comes to doomed generation.
Also Spell 63, just like i thought, Sceptre and Rod were always symbols of Sun (Re) and Morning Star. But its nothing new, i just wanted textual egyptian confirmation of the coronation Hermetica (4+5).
Books of Coffin Texts are available here, for research::
https://b-ok.cc/book/2060890/434284 (volume 1)
https://b-ok.cc/book/2060891/2a1616 (volume 2)
https://b-ok.cc/book/2054277/d1419b (volume 3)
>>158362
And the earth is called "footstool of God's feet".
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6b8535 No.158374
>>158370
So the purpose of the ‘angles’ is to destroy the planet? Why am I not surprised, I was listening to an interview with a woman who was saying that this parasitic race leaves dead planets in their wake wherever they go. They simply pillage it for everything of value and then murder it and move on to the next planet. I suppose that would be Venus.
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ed472b No.158388
>>158374
You seem to be taking doomed generation literally. It means what we call "NPCs", daimon-less people of no divine origin. But then again, do you really believe that this world could ever be everlasting, with decay of Seth ruling over it? Venus is associated with Love God, as some sort of "stairway to heaven", maybe its duat is a link between this place and Sirius, otherwise Egyptians wouldn't associate Sirius with Pentagram, calling Venus a Son of Sopdet. Even if its destroyed it will be redone anew if realm of generation will be needed for new souls that gone through trials of experiences it provides, so says both Mahabharata and Norse Ragnarök tales (survival of Líf and Lífþrasir).
Also spell 666. Posting for fun. I already put my theory on that it meant priest-king of Saturn: >>157695
The text mentions disturber who sent in storm. It also says not to speak its name, calling it black-faced, dweller of the "mansion of the desert". As well as thief. Messengers of Seth, the chaos god figure in the text too.
Non-existence may mean primordial void of non-being, or The One of Proclus, Chronos as Time, about who only negatives can be said.
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0fcf06 No.158430
>>158357
The concern with the egg is as per the Atargatis mythos, that at the onset of the age of Pisces an egg was produced and that spends 2,000 years rolling on down the river until hatching at the onset of the Age of Aquarius.
This is very much in conjunction with the Pegasus square relating to the original emergence from the waters, as per the Sobek/Labyrinth mythos , or Enki and the Abzu
>“I have risen from the egg that is in the land of mysteries. My mouth has been given me, that I may speak therewith before the gods of the nether world. I shall not be kept away from the Council of the great God, for I am Osiris, the lord of Rosetau, this God who is at the top of the terrace. I have come, having accomplished my heart’s desire in the Isle of Flame. I quench any fire that has broken out”.
The egg can be seen as a product of the union of Astral Dumuzi/Aries and Inanna/Pisces
https://www.academia.edu/4039624/Astral_Dumuzi
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86f318 No.158444
>>158430
>Astral Dumuzi/Aries and Inanna/Pisces
These should be reversed shouldn't they?
Inanna's symbolism is a dove(s) not a fish. I know in your illustration it lists it as a swallow but in most other publications it is listed as a dove.
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0fcf06 No.158449
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>>158444
The Sumerian identification is considered swallow, certainly by later times the Dove as the second part of Pisces, it was not seen as two fishes the paper provided the evidence for Inanna as Anunnitum, the fish, Venus is exalted in Pisces.
I think earlier though this was the Goddess Nazi daughter of Enki, and Goddess of both fishes and birds of the wetlands.
>The star-map indicates that the setting of this myth and its participants are not, in fact, of this earth, but are to be found in the heavens. What is of pivotal importance is the identity of the ‘river Euphrates’. Apart from the earthly river, the ‘Euphrates’ can also be found on the star-map where it is closely associated with the watery outflow joined to the Swallow.
>This heavenly river actually runs parallel to the course of the ecliptic and now that this fact is established, the action of the fish can be better understood – they escort the sun (the mythical egg) from its lowest point at the solstice and guide it onto its ascending path that leads towards the spring and ‘dry land’, which is represented on the star-map by the constellation of the Field.
So when the Sun rises in Aquarius at the Spring Equinox the egg has reached it's hatching point.
Also the source for the Egyptian tradition of the island of the egg.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=L2RcpToCH_UC&pg=PA57&lpg=PA57&dq=edfu+text+home+primeval+ones&source=bl&ots=ybKB-_CEP9&sig=EDvQtT4-DNfJr3BEg7DnJ3x8nsE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAmoVChMIgMPOqcCeyAIVgewUCh04nQW7#v=onepage&q=edfu%20text%20home%20primeval%20ones&f=false
http://www.bhporter.com/porter%20pdf%20files/the%20shebtiw%20in%20the%20temple%20at%20edfu.pdf
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86f318 No.158468
>>158449
When you read and observe this information anon how much of it do you internalize and how much of it do you externalize? I see why you placed them in that order. What do you think a lapis lazuli mace is though? Is that something built out of heavenly material?
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2a5f20 No.158597
>>158430
Third picture surely reminds me of Noah's Ark.
>rainbow above
>ark in hands of some priest-king looking figure
>fish below symbolizing water
>bird in between
>bunch of animals around
Also i see that another meaning for pisces may be compasses of measurement.
>>158444
Moon, Venus and Pisces meet at certain point. Hence Crescent is still drawn sometimes with Mary.
>>158449
Doves and fishes may as well be as interchangeable esoteric symbols as mountains and trees are. I mean those probably are the two doves/angels in constellation form.
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0fcf06 No.158599
>>158597
It's complicated, the translation of a Fish cult through space and time, relating to the physical incarnation of Inanna as Nanaya, Dumu-zi-An-Gal, the child of Great Heaven.
>In another story, told by Hyginus, an egg fell from the sky into the Euphrates, was rolled onto land by fish, doves settled on it and hatched it, and Venus, known as the Syrian goddess, came forth
>Ovid instead relates how Dione, by whom Ovid intends Venus/Aphrodite, fleeing from Typhon with her child Cupid/Eros came to the river Euphrates in Syria. Hearing the wind suddenly rise and fearing that it was Typhon, the goddess begged aid from the river nymphs and leapt into the river with her son. Two fish bore them up and were rewarded by being transformed into the constellation Pisces
Getting a clear picture on water Nymph cults of Syria and Canaan is never easy as they often vary by region, in general Atargatis falls in love with a shepherd and somehow unwittingly causes his death through some strange aspect of her nature, whereupon she leaps into lake or sea to end it all and her lower fish nature is revealed, this also the femme fatale aspect of the Medieval Melusine, sometimes there is a fish son or lover Ichthys
>Atargatis and Adonis at Dura form a couple like that of Ba˓alat (Gubal) and Ādōnī in Phoenicia, Bēltī and Tammuzā in Palmyra, Anat and Baal in Ugarit, etc. This shows the tendency of the Semitic world towards harmonization of its religion in the Parthian period:
>Atargatis plays the role of the dea lugens who mourns for the death of her husband.
http://www.rahamasha.net/uploads/2/3/2/8/2328777/the_lady_of_dura.pdf
Mary Magdalene certainly played the role of Atargatis, there was a Nymphaeum at Magdala, she was connected to Artemis-Atargatis at Ephesus, and the sister Temple at Marseille
https://www.academia.edu/1239073/Building_D1_at_Magdala_Revisited_in_the_Light_of_Public_Fountain_Architecture_in_the_Late_Hellenistic_East
>>158468
The Egyptian tradition was always the balance between internalization and externalization, in that one literally became the Gods, primarily Horus, but that inner reality having to correspond to objective reality, thus do not attempt if you're not a Horite, it wasn't for everyone though the populist Osiris cult emerged.
A Lapis Lazuli mace would correlate to Heavenly power, if it hit you on the head you'd see stars.
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04e0fe No.158601
>>158228
Some interesting information, but interpreted in a very wrong context. I'll gladly get back to some of your (and other anon's) posts from previous thread, but I'm busy with other things so it might take a while.
You can keep repeating your universalist, Dionysian pilpul in the meantime, maybe it becomes true if you do it enough times :>) Protip: it won't You actually got me something to think about, which didn't happen in a while, so I appreciate it anyway.
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6196ca No.158605
>>156787
>Usually Jörmungandr/Apep gets defeated by primordial God, not toyed with like a ride, for establishment of Order
The snake of chaos IS the world. It's the very building foundation upon which the rest of phenomena are generated. The carrier wave (snake) of this universe, which is just a single point (the one god that NPC's worship) moving in 3/6 dimensional space. By defeating it, you are destroying the (material) world, it's projection. This is why Judeo-Masonic agenda based on Talmudic order will only bring death and end of the cycle (and is the reason why the world and people keep getting more and more soulless and resembling a cheap, corrupt 'bootleg' copy of reality the more they advance their agenda). On another hand, not defeating it completely might lead to the emergence of various "Lucifers" Damned if you do, damned if you don't :>) The grim fate of those generated from One, of the finite.
>Dionysian followers prior to Christianity were associated with snakes
This was a continuation of the Shakti/Dravidian cult of India. Which had absolutely nothing to do with Aryans, it was a niggardly practice for niggardly people (and spiritual niggers), which explains it's extensive use of sexual imagery and practices. You are trying to supplant one false god with another, but both lead to dissolution. Saturn-Dionysus is a good example of a false dichotomy of disintegration. As you said, one hand supports another, which is as Masonic as it gets. Without Dionysus producing children with his orgies, there would be nothing for Saturn to consume, wouldn't it? Same could be applied to finite, filler souls that get generated this way. None of this has anything to do with acausal, infinite souls which formed a basis for the Aryan race (in the truest sense). Your atomist philosophy only applies to RNG spawned NPC's, mine only applies to people possessing genuine (divine) souls. For their natures are of entirely different quality.
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a2c0ff No.158606
Alright, something more on Venus and patterns. I know first image is small, but i barely found it again. Especially with anon finding out about emergence of Lotus. >>158430
Venus is not just a 2D pattern, even from the side if one imagines our Earth being center of the solar system, Venus movements become a a 3D flower, having depth of a grid shell rose pattern. Maybe that's why people who calculated astronomical geometries were so convinced we're in the center, even if that wasn't true. Because this rose only exists from perspective of the Earth.
Also as a bonus i don't want to hide another geometry, its an initial pattern Venus makes before starting to form a rose (shown on a gif animation), its reminiscent to "crescent with a nose", how we usually draw a cartoon depiction of a moon, or round crane symbol of certain japanese religions, which are usually depicted in pair in other images and their color symbolism of red-black-white probably inspired to think they're divine.
>>158599
>water Nymph cults
You know, that Nymph named "Nysai", which i sometimes reiterate as Sinai half-seriously, who lived in the mountain Nysa, was a nurse of Dionysus. Nysai is also known as both "trees" and "nymphs". Hence they say Dionysus was nurtured by the Nymphs as plural. In orphic hymns to the Nymphs they are all called "sweet-smelling virgins". There was also a person known as Hippa/Hipta to Proclus, who carried Dionysus in a winnowing basket on her head just like Vasudeva carried Krishna. That particular person is known as "Cosmic Soul", whose Cosmic Intellect is heart of Dionysus. If we think of Hathor/Isis as Sycamore, a Tree of Life, then what we're talking about is the Soul of Encosmic God, which Intellect is Osiris. So consumption of a God is a symbol of being inspired by Divine from above, as in being fed the Logos, wine of Intellect, not literal drunkness with earthly wine. And everyone has their own metaphora on that all pervading Spirit affecting them one way or another, or the lower genus about which we talked in previous thread, which may be lower branches of separated Light. Therefore Nymphs may as well be visions of Cosmic Soul, who's seen as many. Hence Virgin vision phenomena is so common, Nymphs, Dakinis, Fairies, "Marys", its all Muses, emanated Spirits of Cosmic Soul. To greeks they were minor female deities of nature, connected with forests, trees, caves, mountains, springs, and meadows, natural reflectors of Light of the stars. Orphic Hymn 46 To Dionysos Liknites says not only Nymphs are nurturers of Dionysus, but also Aphrodite herself, which ultimately connects him to Adonis too, another many named God that is also YHWH of the jews. That last one is a son of Aphrodite and Eros, where Aphrodite is known as bride-like mother of the Erotes.
If i simplify every Male figure in those stories as Cosmic Intelligence, and every female one as Cosmic Soul, with their hierarchies, then Soul becomes Bride, Sister and Mother of Intelligence, and its own tripartite God.
>Now there stood by the cross of Jesus His mother, and His mother’s sister, Mary of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. (John 19:25)
That's where one should mention the "Three Fates" (Greek Moirai), three sisters who were thought to be responsible for certain immutable facts about the cosmos. Concept of Daimon lies closely linked with Fates and Muses. Night, bride of Primordial Phanes bore those Fates, as direct offspring, and just like Dyke or Egyptian Maat they are in charge of Justice. Pausanias reports an inscription he saw in Athens which claimed that Aphrodite was the oldest of the Fates, as mother of necessity. They are bringers of Laws to the human race.
In Orphic Hymn to "Night", bride of Phanes, Orpheus used to call Her Kypris:
>I shall sing of Night, mother of gods and men; we call Night Kypris, she gave birth to all.
Kypris is just another name of Aphrodite.
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a2c0ff No.158617
>>158605
>Saturn-Dionysus
Dionysus is equated to Hades when it comes to his rulership over realm of the dead, which can be found out to be located in flower of Duat when it comes to His representation with Osiris. Orphic cult attempted to give egyptian knowledge to the greeks. Everything Duat and Hades represent is Venusian, this flower is a portal of departing souls. But then again, if anything, "saturnalian" dionysus as in anti-dionysus would be same as saturnalian christos depicted as χξϛ. Instead of Venusian priest-king. Its like two opposite portals.
>The snake of chaos IS the world.
Only for a time being Death, the real meaning of satan, is considered a king. 1 becomes 0 on next turning of the wheel.
>extensive use of sexual imagery
Generated by Venus that promotes Lust and Love equally. Saturn is not associated with lust at all, but with murder, decay, gluttony, hunger, envy, thievery and money. The only part it governs in psyche of kikes is that is related to sex at all is adultery, spiritual too. Production of offspring is fully in care of Venus, actually all life from bees and flowers is venusian. Gods actually don't see their actions as wrong, ever, because they all follow their nature of pattern of spheres and perfection, unity of the opposites is beyond our human concepts of "good and evil". For Gods we're always naked regardless and no shame for any actions can hide the direct intimate, erotic connection of one Intellect to another. Order is not disturbed by chaos, just like Light is not disturbed by Darkness, nor truth will change no matter how elusive it is to people, since our understanding on greatest matters will never be complete, and all we can be glad for is our allotted role by Gods of secretive nature. If anything story of the garden symbolized, its the division, chaotic free will to call this or that evil or good, which is never constant, never orderly, and source of decay, people who pursue this fight always end up on the other side of the battle. One by keeping sanity becomes mad, and by going mad becomes sane. We're inbetween chaos and order because its a transitional world. There's global purpose to this story, souls of people, gaining experience and form in completion, from experiencing world of suffering and decay and being taught by Spirits, become part of God's harem and remembered in branches of this Tree of Light, because of divine origin. So this world became temporary game of the Gods and Their chosen.
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0db14e No.158636
>>158606
It is called a ‘cardioid’ and you can find it represented in everything all over the planet as a building block. It is a fundamental aspect of the nature of light. I wouldn’t go so far as to say that it is the ‘prism’ but I would say that it is related.
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86f318 No.158645
>>158597
>Third picture surely reminds me of Noah's Ark.
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4d8f9c No.158658
>>158636
That's good to know, one of the planets does this shape exclusively, its Mercury. I guess its time to lift the veil a little bit further, since i am aware not everyone is attuned to unity of Aphrodite and Adonis (rightfully called Apollo Venus, God that is Light and Love) and introduce conductive method of researching all planetary movements. The thing is called "Spinograph", and it was used to calculate movement alignment of earth according to geocentric movement of planetary objects. It appears symbols stuck from geocentric period of science pretty much became our prime magical insignias. Also Mars and Sun seem to have almost perfect synchronicity. I think this science of planetary movements causing shapes and synchronicity in geocentric model is the reason religious people tend to reject scientific model of the universe. Don't know which object in space creates six petals though, i think first picture is a farce, but its a good example.
Also on Inanna, and specifically Ninshubur, "Second in Command" of Inanna, it didn't required too much of research to confirm She and Archangel Michael share same star, Aldebaran, Watcher of the East, where Ninshubur is known as Queen of the East. The reason they call this star "equal to God" in hebrew religions, is because its almost equally as bright as Venus when they meet from our perspective.
>>158601
>universalist, Dionysian pilpul
Dionysus as "Deus of Nysai" may be greek mirror of "God of Sinai"
On Orpheus the more i am trying to figure out "Orpheus to Mousaios" hymn, the more i become convinced that if this is indeed addressed to his pupil Moses (like "did moses exist" book suggests), then idea of all Gods as "One God" came from him. Because Heraclitus seem have understood Orphic dual nature better than others, in unity of the opposites (and he certainly was part of their mysteries):
>God is day night winter summer war peace enough too little, but disguised in each and known in each by a separate flavor.
>Not I but the world says it: All is one.
And Orpheus to Mousaios begins the "mystical and most holy prayer which surely excels all others" by first invoking name of Zeus, then proceeding with all other gods, ending with Adonis (Adonai of the jews), which is the Sun. And then "Beginning and End, too". Hinting at absolute unity of those celestial bodies (from which Alpha and Omega saying generated).
If this isn't some kind of coded message of Orpheus i don't know otherwise what it is.
Even in jewish religion it initially was "unity" of all Gods, as in "Lord of Hosts" or Angels being direct representatives of Most High, being also Himself. Hence trio of angels Abraham welcomed were "God", but also God addressed to Himself in multiple perspective when created a human. Even Shekinah was represented by Adonai. So Orpheus was telling about one God through prayers to Many. While Moses way was telling of "Adonai" as one God represented by Many. I noticed many attributes of Orphic Gods simply merge into one another through similarities of epithets. Almost everyone is either Dionysus or Venus in orphic hymns, and even that is united in androgynous nature of them. All returns to unity of primal Light in Phanes, as well as departs from Him. My theory is that poet knew of fall of Akhenaten for daring to worship a single God, so they decided to hide revelations for a time being. But then again, Akhenaten ignored the significance of the planets and stars as messengers with his exclusive Sun worship, his teaching was never perfect.
The more i contemplate myself on multiplicity of God, the more i get myself proven on some total Unity in primal aspect of Light, even if Godhead as Demiurgic Intellect has spheres responding to certain intellectual levels and governing order, they still exist within governing Light. Cross may as well signify four divine elements of cosmic body, within which cosmic intellect and soul reside. Since they are summoned by Orpheus right after Zeus representing air, Earth herself, the celestial bodies fire, and Poseidon water.
This is how early Christians probably felt when compared orphic literature to getting jewish texts in their hands.
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3da314 No.158664
>>158658
Love that second pic. This makes much more sense to me than the heliocentric model.
Thank you for your time anon. I am privileged and grateful to learn from you. I know of the Watcher of the East. I identify more with the Watcher of the West, Antares.
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0fcf06 No.158706
>>158606
There's also a more curious basis to the Mesopotamian and Indus valley Fish cult, involving Fomalhaut as the star of Enki, the Southern Royal star.
It relates to refinement in terms of physical beauty and sensuality, particularly involving red haired women, and in sociological terms the dream of the utopian , the establishment of civilization, the cult of the Goddess Nazi and the crossing of the river of ordeal, and also the cult of physical resurrection and immortality, the Fish in the Osiris mythos, the concerns of Enki always relate as much if not more to physical reality rather than the realm of ideas.
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9e961e No.158718
>>158706
>physical beauty and sensuality, particularly involving red haired women
I was thinking that its interesting how green color belongs according to Hermetica to Venus, green eyes are the most rarest of all (black most common). And same with sun-like red hair being rarest of all, while saturnalian black is the most common. Woman with red hair and green eyes would have double rare trait of both Sun and Venus. But then again, what's inside is more important.
Racemixers just want to paint everything black.
>>158664
Earth-centered movement seem to be keeping certain logical patterns, occasionally certain planets on certain dates get closer to the earth than others. I couldn't find full picture of this except with an app:
https://www.pwr-tools.com/simsolar/index.htm
Within influence of the Sun the following planets seem to be prevailing the most: Mars, Venus, Mercury and Jupiter. Saturn only occasionally steps between line of the Sun and Earth, but with constant periodic movement. Maybe that's why Uranus, Neptune and Pluto don't figure out on Vitriol Wheel. Because "influence of Re" is important for those planets as a remnant from original egyptian teaching.
>This makes much more sense to me than the heliocentric model.
The problem with all models is a matter of perspective. From earth space is whole adobe, from space earth is mere puppet. Human lives 100 years max, and barely grasps even a straw of world's knowledge. People claim victory of science but then go back worshiping same things, and elites hanging out in same age old cults. Admiring geocentrism anywhere would be a difficulty thing, especially with flat earthers around.
Anyway, people call those geometry creating loops "Retrograde Motions", when a certain planets get further or closer to earth. One could speculate effects of this on human psyche subjectively, or as planetary harmony. There's a book of Simplicius on that.
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0fcf06 No.158740
>>158718
That seems to have been a Venusian ideal of beauty, were the Pegasus square could be seen as a pool of eternal youth and beauty.
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86f318 No.158964
>>158740
>the Pegasus square could be seen as a pool of eternal youth and beauty.
Yes, a 'cube' of beauty for certain types to continuously plunder for as long as they remained on the planet.
You know anon the life of a siren whose only job was to lure people to their death after they are 'transformed' is not exactly all that it is cracked up to be.
After all, she would only be allowed to live for as long as she could sing and lure unsuspecting men to their death. Yes, women are endlessly reincarnated on this female planet and the 'cube' is a source of eternal youth and beauty for 'certain types' to plunder. But this is as defective and horrific a use for Venusian principles as can be imagined. It is an abomination of the God of Love, not something to be celebrated or something desired.
When Leviathan can no longer 'sing sweetly' it is killed and its flesh is devoured.
I have no doubt that you will think of some 'justification' for this behavior or simply tell me that I don't 'understand' the occult meaning of the ritual and you might be right, I have a lot to learn, but my instinct tells me that it is a perversion of what is holy (pure principles) rather than something to be admired, sought after or emulated.
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2c62e6 No.158975
>>158362
As long as you actually realize it's an allegory for the fucking sun of god, I'll allow it.
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0fcf06 No.158994
>>158964
Good Heavens Anon i am not answerable for the Sethians making all things evil and twisted, obviously if a woman gets in the bath in a Hollywood movie she is likely to be brutally murdered shortly after.
The bath cult was a thing of purity but more in the physical sense, a cult of beauty and refinement within the symbol, the square, of Heavenly Order, the dark secret of Melusine was that it was introduced from the Fish star.
Of course the Jew in his deranged self righteousness will proclaim that they shouldn't have done that, the very origin of evil or at least the sentience to make the qualification between good and evil, in terms of increased intellectual capacity and discernment, but really the only price is you have to keep her in the manner to which she has become accustomed, and the cult of physical perfection is naturally the key to immortality.
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3177ce No.158995
>>158964
Cannibalism is inherently Saturnalian, Chronos shown eating his children, Seth dismembering Osiris. You can't miss that aspect.
>>158975
>sun of god
And here's the most interesting subject to talk about. Lets go back on it. No, lets go waay back on it, before the jews. To Akhenaten. There are few things i want to talk about nature this particular Light God. First of all we know he's the origin of western monotheism, and not all of us heard from Freud only, Savitri Devi wrote a book about him, but his iconography of this God called Aten is really interesting. Its not as simple as i am usually told that Akhenaten worshiper "Sun" alone. Its actually has few interesting details. I already identified Ankh with Morning Star with the description of royal Sceptre and Rod combination in Spell 63 of Coffin Texts, that plainly spells it out. Gods of Egyptians usually "gave" this Ankh in iconography as ruling power.
In Revelations 2:25-28 it is said:
>But that which ye have already hold fast till I come. And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. And I will give him the morning star.
Again, just like in Spell 63: "Receive this sceptre of yours which is at the feet of Re and your rod which is at the feet of the Morning Star." Venus is associated in Hermetica with same symbol not by a simple chance. "Sun God" of Akhenaten was bestowing Morning Star upon him. So here we already see combination of 4+5, and the typical symbol of spiritual bird in centre of the disk also holding Ankh with its claws on certain sculptures. Why i am sure its a bird and not usual snake? Because on early Aten cartouches, it was depicted as "the Living Ra Horakhty" in reign of Akhenaten. So its already forming a solid esoteric trinity of Sun, Morning Star and Spirit as a usual divine bird. On top of that iconography has multiple hands coming out of disk as rays, rather telling message of God's power of reach (buddhists have some similar statues, like buddha of thousand hands, which are also sometimes associated with solar disk). Birds as we already found out was important egyptian message of having God as your Daemon: >>152548
Some of the Atenist verses in the tomb of Ay:
>O sole god, without another beside him! You create the earth according to your wish, being alone
>Being unique and risen in your aspects of being as “living Aten”—manifest, shining, far (yet) near.
>You make millions of developments from yourself, (you who are) a oneness.
So first of all "Living Aten" is very crucial here, calling God "Living God" in comparison to other as if "dead ones" is seen in bible as a phrase through many books (Hosea 1:10, Jeremiah 10:10, Jeremiah 23:36, Matthew 16:16, Joshua 3:10, Psalms 42:2 and so on). Second "sole god, without another beside him" is primary denialism of any other divinities (Hosea 12:4, Isaiah 45:18, 45: 21–22).
Then Akhenaten proceeded to attempt an iconoclast of all egyptian divinities, forbid them their usual afterlife burials (which were defiled anyway by both robbers, muslims and archeologists), failed the job and instead his cult was buried and forgotten. Many years later whole west worships his religion, which even at Isis-like Mary worship is still consistent of same aspects of Sun, Holy Spirit and Morning Star, with One God claimant.
I also provided comparison of "Great Hymn to Aten" and Psalm 104.
I have to admit Exodus couldn't had happened 1447BC, even if that date is the one Freemasons believe for some reason, Akhenaten reigned 1353–1336 or 1351–1334 BC, without him Moses simply is impossible. Ramses II that supposedly had jews "as slaves" ruled in 1279-1213 B.C. Maybe those people worshiping Adonis and Shekinah weren't jews? Since according to Bruno and previous thread Hyksos were worshiping Seth, the ass. Akhenaten ruins many things in this theory, did jews attributed things to themselves they weren't? That said whole thing happened around late second millennium BC as a whole. Atenism carries on.
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86f318 No.159012
>>158995
>Cannibalism is inherently Saturnalian, Chronos shown eating his children, Seth dismembering Osiris. You can't miss that aspect.
Yes, but anon, people don't 'do things without a reason' ever. So what is the real issue and reason with this behavior. Why? I was reading an excerpt of Phillip K Dicks philosophy (Bohme influenced) and I was delighted by the original and creative thinking, even though I have no real conclusion on the conclusions he drew from his own experience. His conclusions are just as foreign and bizarre and revolting to me as the idea of cannibalism…but yet, their must be a reason that people respond to information, their experience and their collected knowledge in this manner. I am interested in the 'WHY' of the matter…not just that it is an abomination to me. Do you know the WHY of it?
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bf87b2 No.159014
>>159012
>people don't 'do things without a reason' ever
In case of rich, subjective answer would be admitting they want a thrill of it in their bored rich lives. Or objectively one can state the most obvious: Want to rule the world, become like ruler of this world. People used to hold a crown in respect towards the Gods. Then people used to hold a crown in respect towards Anointed Lord, who was some magus from Judea. Now people are just rich businessmen, doing business with other businessmen within some small period of 8 years, they get their sweet deals of sethian coinage, and so their character is corrupted by realm of generation. If you don't wear a crown, you don't anoint your king, you crown Death itself. And since Death rules the world, Seth commits to acceleration of degradation.
As far as people's behavior in general, chaos is a product of incomplete form and disorderly phantom instead of a soul with fated daemon to hold any participation in light of Divinity. And less we love the light, the more we fall into darkness. And there's not enough "Angels in heavens" for ever growing human population to produce enough divine people at any moment of time, and its only going to get worse. Allotted destinies lose their quality.
Now since religion falls downwards with degradation no thanks to jews, they are inventing brain implants and deus ex machinas, social credit systems and other mass surveillance projects just to keep growing population of walking dead under electronic and consumerist control, instead of Spirits they used to trust.
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86f318 No.159079
>>159014
>want a thrill of it in their bored rich lives
This doesn't make any sense to me anon. Money doesn't buy you so many things that 'boredom' could ever be an explanation for these types of behaviors. There has to be another reason for this behavior. No worries. I will find it.
>Want to rule the world, become like ruler of this world
This doesn't work for me either because the world has both good and bad things in it. I think they are actually doing something and I don't understand what it is.
I guess I want to understand the underlying mechanics behind behavior, period. Both good and bad behavior. I am probably not being clear about what I am looking for because this is the first time I have ever thought about it. Honestly I don't really know what 'behavior', the fundamental thought behind the action really is…and I am not talking about all the boring surface explanations or definition for behavior. I want to understand it on its most fundamental level.
>"Angels in heavens" for ever growing human population to produce enough divine people at any moment of time, and its only going to get worse. Allotted destinies lose their quality.
This may be truth…I haven't thought about it that much yet. I tend to be more generous in my judgement of humanity.
>instead of Spirits they used to trust
You may have a point here as well.
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b66958 No.159158
>>159079
I think the only way to explain everything, is to try to find the "actor" of negative possession, i've been successful at determining Spirit that possesses the intellectuals, who Socrates rightfully attributed to Apollo (phaedo) and Eros (phaedrus/symposium) (Apollo-Venus of Bruno, Phanes-Protogonos of Orpheus, Lucifer-Mary of certain Christians). Spirit we're talking about can be rightfully be said to be "breath" of a God (pneuma), which book you posted actually speaks about: "I am the breath of my Creator, and as he exhales and inhales, I live". I would call that traveling in the Light of God. I don't like however that Phillip K Dick took LSD to say that, drugs are of realm of generation, depending on them is worse than being a dionysian alcoholic, same for Huxley, who did it too. There's a book "Apollo: The Wind, the Spirit, and the God" that viewed spiritual affection of double natured Light God through Wind, that was reviewing Callimachus Hymn to Apollo from perspective of biblical greek understanding of pneuma. Hence prophets at Delphi were worshipers of Sun God, again Spirit of prophecy. But i think superior understanding Breath, Light and Love is a single God not tied to cosmic clock that is our stars, nor nature of this planet, not tied to anything in realm of generation, but ruling all of it. Actor of "negative possession" would be the total reverse of divine person, who is possessed by a Spirit sent by God, that is known as true Wisdom.
Along side of what i already posted in previous thread on Bruno's Caballa of Pegasus >>157456 there's Heraclitus Fragment number 9:
>"Donkeys would prefer refuse to gold."
Bruno's Caballa of Pegasus:
>"The latter, inferior truth which neither makes things true nor is itself true, but inclines toward, is produced, shaped, and informed by true things, and reflects them not in truth, but in quality and likeness: because in our mind, where is the knowledge of gold, one does not really find gold, but only its quality and likeness."
Heraclitus Fragment number 22:
>"Those who seek gold dig up a great deal of earth and find little."
I have to admit that Bruno, maybe by mistake, was actually relatively defensive of metaphorical negative spirit we attribute to Saturn (as in worthy of worship no less than Jupiter in his images and signs book, and commentator for translation adds "Saturn is not only the demon of inertia and of unfruitful, self-indulgent melancholy; he is also the genius of intellectual observation and meditation, of intelligence and contemplation", i no doubt that Seth is intelligent alright, but i also don't doubt he's a god of Death), but i think his true feelings hide some message. I don't even agree with Bruno on his love to Copernicus, nor there are any more inhabited planets than ours, its just wishful thinking. I think we may be rightfully in the center of the universe, and each of our own centers is personal in the very Soul, which true center must be trunk of Sycamore, Tree of Life, primordial Light. Inner Light is the center of the Universe.
One would wonder why Egyptian spell book has spells against "eating feces". I sometimes translate those literally, but maybe they implied wardings against members of daemons sent by chaos gods, especially in light of Heraclitus Fragment 9. Chaos gods were associated with forcing people to eat feces, Seth is an intelligent fully self sufficient actor, serving primordial Void as if that was god by itself, snake of Ouroboros, Time that God of Light, who is God of Order and Love, is unaffected by. True sin is akin to eating dirt, becoming disordered, descending instead of ascending. Becoming feces eating donkey, full of ignorance.
Also i don't want to hide, that eating of feces remind me of "first spring" of Hades, fountain of forgetfullness. While second spring is Sycamore, water under tree of Life. Hathor's pleasure was associated with music (spell 772), as something absolutely opposite of post-death fecal consumption. First "heard" harmony of the Gods of Iamblichus, divine meta-code. That's what born again truly means, being emanated from a God.
That means people born of Seth first heard not "divine harmony", but "disharmony", which fits their tastes in natural actions of possessed by chaos, so they act according to >>157498
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86f318 No.159178
>>159158
I went far back into this conversation and looked not just at your comments but the comments you were responding to as well.
>I have to admit that Bruno, maybe by mistake, was actually relatively defensive of metaphorical negative spirit we attribute to Saturn
No anon, Bruno was wise, honorable and brave. He does not attribute his sins to the innocent. You know that I was raised Christian and I will tell you that it took everything I had, once I was mature enough and had understanding to love, but refuse to have Christ bear my own sins. Now this is scary because we are taught our whole lives that this is the only way to God. But I would rather be damned than to place my own 'sins' upon the innocent. Seth is just a foil to see if you are ready to enter paradise. God is merciful and just; I will not enter Heaven through hate and blame, if I enter it at all it will be through Love and accepting responsibility for myself. I denied that 'free gift' because I Loved and if that deserves punishment, so be it. I AM not Saturn, so I will not enter paradise devouring down the innocent. This is the reason for their behavior. They would enter paradise via the murder of what is pure and holy.
One of my major problems with these old gods is that they all lack responsibility for their own actions and use blame to encourage that same behavior in others.
Am I scared to death about what this may mean (based on my upbringing)? Of course I am…but I just can't accuse the innocent of my own crimes and that seems to be the whole modus operandi of the entire planet and all its people. However it is not 'my desire' (though that has been a hard fought battle).
My father told me something when I was much younger, he said, "Anon, everyone does what they want." This whole idea was a double edged sword that has been a weapon both for and against me my whole life and to this day I still see the repercussions of this thought played out on the global stage, in politics and civilization.
>John 15
25 But this is to fulfill what is written in their Law: ‘They hated Me without reason.’
I see what happened here and this blame shifting has to stop. It is what this world was founded on all its culture and religion, every male and female.
This is why Bruno correctly assessed Saturn, because he 'knew himself'. I expect nothing less of my own behavior and character than to act with honor and true Love to the utmost of my own capacity (lol, such that it is).
My other problem with the old gods is that they weigh deeds rather than progress. I find this offensive because it retards the incentive for the growth of the human spirit.
As always anon, I appreciate your thoughts.
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39fe0c No.159179
>>159178
To be honest hermetics like Bruno while all that great still far from perfect. Translator rightfully noted in few passages where once he relied on knowledge of the Pyrrhonic Skeptics, that all falseness comes from foolishness, which are not pure skeptics, but rather the ones taught by virtues and teaching of "ignorance" known by the Buddhists during conquests of Alexander (Pyrrho accompanied him in travels), and the lack of knowledge about original teaching transits an error, just like Pyrrho's own school of attributed thought. And then he relies on knowledge about Angels from perspective of pseudo-Dionysius even in Cabala of Pegasus, which under throughout research can be found out to be teaching of Proclus adapted to angels instead of Gods, in a vein how Porphyry had warned christians in general that there's no difference between calling those Intelligences gods or angels (or tao, or buddhas, and so forth).
Which brings me to a gross problem that is unity of all "Gods" into either representatives of single God in all Intelligences, rather than realizing the nature of intellectual spheres of influence. Its the problem of chaotic satanic actions (or alike, in case of much jewish cruelty in old testament) being attributed to God, from being almost literally, in unironical sense, being an asshole of a God, like Vitriol unironically implies, and which Mark 7:19 ("Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?") hints at in ultimate cosmic sense, as should be understood not only in human corruption, but also as a function of uncorruptedness of a global Deity outside of time continuum, everything consumed goes outside (outer darkness, which is God's toilet) and not into the heart, and the heart being core of Cosmic Soul. Ultimately this is why jews worship a cube, they think its the "same" god as the one of light, or how some pray for time god of divine darkness (indian mahakali or darkness of Dionysius the Areopagite), because "God is everything" is an error. Even bible says God is God of the Living (God of Life), not the Dead (god of Death, primordial serpent). What is Light is not Darkness, we actually never experience true darkness, even Night, Orphic Bride of the God, shines solar light from planets, moon or other stars. And so they serve thy enemy and get consumed by outer darkness willingly, from this wrong teaching. For god of death hell is a heaven.
The problem such viewpoint of singularity brings (as if God being both Death and Life), is that one may rebel against Orderly Gods this way round, while serving Chaos Gods and literally eating dirt. Because one cannot actually combine Gods of Chaos and Order, they have their own hierarchies. Therefore primordial serpent of chaos (that is death and time), from which eternal order sprung up, that is called "evil" by ignorant, disorderly or unharmonic by educated, is in fact first "god" of this universe, where Light of the Intelligence is the second. Cosmic Egg cannot come out otherwise. The Alpha, as long as death rules, is number 2, it turns 1 only after dying, which is the ultimate conclusion to all imperfections of this realm, each owns personal apocalypse.
And now for emanation from Orderly Gods, there's another problem and reason for multifaced archetypes of all Saints, Gods and Buddhas in all developed religions, which some divine people managing religions got very quick (not the ones who were concerned about material gain from it). Not everyone is a "fish of Venus". Jesus/Isis went catching fishes, but fishes are only some of the "animals" in this kingdom. That's another problem with a single God, its a monolatry of a single divine emanance, that fits to some chosen by God of Love, but not everyone part of Court of that particular higher Intelligence, and not understanding it produces conflict (hence some people actually feel presence of this particular spirit, but some of other). Some people are dead, some are alive by lower genus, but still branches of Divine Order, some descended from Most High (Apollo Venus), and closer to The Heart of all Intelligences, and some emanated from traitor we call Seth, and their nature is to provide disharmonies that bring needed opposition for harmonies to arise, because suffering in this world has meaning of a needed tribulation for ascend, cowardice is a curse.
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0fcf06 No.159189
>>159158
The Mesopotamian Wind Spirits had only somewhat vague characteristics, the Southern wind/Sutu could be seen as benevolent or malevolent in what she brought up from the South, this could be the evil spirit of the Sutean Lamastu, and Pazuzu was intended to counter this.
Overall though the wind connected to Enki and the Southern constellation Piscis Austrinus.
https://www.academia.edu/503964/The_Four_Winds_and_the_Origins_of_Pazuzu
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01c2b8 No.159196
>>154840
I got what Orpheus meant by Phanes, when he named Him. Its that place Venus rises from, which is Zodiacal Light. Its the reason why Phanes in antique iconography is represented with top pole connected to Pisces, and whole zodiacal circle around him just like Sky God Ouranos. Venus apparently loves going through this giant "pillar of fire", because Pisces are in it. Pleiades, seven horns/eyes of the Lamb from Revelations, are also just above it. Some consider this "Visible God", because connection of this Light with Milky Way sometimes seen as Cross "celestial X that mirrors the World Soul". This whole sky section is meant to be understood as the meaning of "God is Light" message, of both Christians and Orphists. And its the inspirational basis of their whole gnosis.
Bacchic Cross was also made from this, because Pleades on top of the light represent seven stars. Moon is seen together with Venus in same section of Pisces like in this picture: >>158597
The reason why they made cross for Orpheus is because some people understood what he meant by Phanes and Platonic Celestial Cross from Timateus. But most importantly, Sirius of winter triangle meet on this Cross, confirming connection to Egyptian worship of Sopdu being son of Sopdet: >>158100 (hat of sothis supposedly represents that light pillar)
It also can be seen as celestial Orb or an Egg.
Justin Martyr in his "Apology on Behalf of Christians" spilled his beans completely on this Light when he tried to claim Plato was somehow inspired by Moses. It allowed me to find this.
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b46871 No.159282
>>157662
>I found out the hard way that same God owns both.
What led you to such conclusion? Any life stories you'd like to share? I'm always curious about experiences which lead people onto a path of disintegration and further imprisonment. If anything, I have come to a realization that sexual lust ("love") and Platonic (pure) love are two entirely separate and irreconcilable things. They are governed by different chakras, different centers of emanation and serve completely different purposes. If anything, sex was a Saturnian/Demiurgic corruption of divine love, it's hollow, infinitely inferior mirror image. It can never be two sides of the same. Sex only has utility in the physical universe, it's purpose is procreation, and procreation leads to death. Not to mention sex being used as a lure to ensnare spirits here, and as one of the greatest weapons of the Jew. Now, beastmen can rarely tell difference between the two due to their hyletic nature. And it's very difficult to overcome even for the higher men, for it would be overcoming one's biological nature, that is still animalistic to a certain extent. Now, I'm not saying that you cannot be simultaneously sexually and Platonically attracted to a same woman (which can be difficult at times, leading to a "Madonna-whore complex"), but a distinction has to be made. What is of death should remain in the world of death, what is without death should go (return) to the world without death. While sexual decadence might play a role in making one numb to the lures of this world, it should be by no means mixed with actual Love. For any such mixture is sure to corrupt your soul and bind you further to the realm of Saturn (if you were not already entirely generated by it, which would be made obvious with inability to make a distinction between the two).This is why you can be absolutely sure that there is a Jew behind it, wherever such "sacred sex" or "Dionysus worship" appears in any religious or occult movement. This profanization, demystification and corruption of everything is their signature.
>The God ruling over Pleasure of Love, rules over Pain too
It would be sort of self-defeating since the pain is much greater, leading everyone to either abandon it altogether, or turn it into hatred. Unless we consider the possibility that the entire game of our current existence was rigged from the start and that the 'only' winning move is not to play. The alternative being 'killing' the god and destroying this universe or transforming it into something else
>Goddess overwatching their reproduction
Reproduction has absolutely nothing to do with love. Some species reproduce asexually, some have only one sex, etc. Even those who have binary sexual reproduction don't need any sort of abstract love in order to create offspring. It's very rare among "humans" too, and yet they have no trouble reproducing. One may argue that oxytocin plays a certain role in raising offspring of greater quality, but reproduction is not concerned with qualia, only survival.
>representing pressing desire
Gods are not ruled by desire, no such "court" could exist. The whole point of being a God is having power/control, not being controlled.
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b46871 No.159283
>>159282
>And both of them are one
The faulty logic of something being "two opposites of the same" leads to the very abomination of "one god" when extrapolated to it's conclusion. If things/concepts were the same, they wouldn't be different (opposites). This is also implied egalitarianism and philosophy of globohomo. Equality/oneness is a false god. I could write a book about the tragedy of some idiotic ideas of the ancient world defining the further development of thought into an entirely wrong direction, the one whose consequences we are facing today.
>Rainbow also represents immortality
That would explain it's extensive use by forces of disintegration. Since it's the very opposite of immortality that it will bring.
>As i understand from Ark of the Covenant the jews actually began worship of Venus, but then decided to fuck off to Saturnalian worship of Death
This would only be natural for anyone being denied such "love", wouldn't it? Not that a creature as abhorrent as a Jew warrants it, but it still needs to be pointed out. But it's not death that they worship, it's disintegration. A distinction should be made between cyclical death (which supplants life, a neutral creation-destruction cycle) and slow, gradual disintegration/corruption that Saturn/Entropy brings. If they worshiped Thanatos, they would be much more warlike and would promote violence rather than trying to eliminate it altogether with their Talmudic law. There are different forms of life, but there are also different forms of death. What is life to one form, might be death for another….
>This God conquered Death way before
Only the original archetype. Otherwise, not all of them. Some have failed due to making the same mistakes which I'm pointing out here. That didn't stop them from being worshiped or emulated however.
>Hence Tree of Life, Fruits of Life, Water of Life, because Her Heaven is built on some logical system of preservation from being taken by Saturn.
This is true, it's an algorithm essentially. But the one dealing with transcendent, not finite numbers.
>There are many Gods, true, but only one that gives Immortality, that is opposite of the Reaper
The one opposite of the reaper would bring death of a different kind. "Four quarters" get referenced in the Vedas a lot. They were trying to imply something. Instead of going in the opposite direction, you might need to take a turn at the [spoiler]cross[spoiler]roads. I appreciate your enthusiasm, but if only things were as simple as they appear to be … Navigating the labyrinth of perils in order to reach/recover (true) immortality is something that only Gods are capable of.
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bc1480 No.159294
Funny cuck faggot mods would ban me for making threads about this kind of stuff not even a year ago. Fucking faggots
Esoteric Meaning Of The Black Sun
https://esotericawakening.com/esoteric-meaning-of-the-black-sun
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324955 No.159319
>>157695
>There's some trickery afoot in saying that jews were always saturn worshipers.
Why of course, they were real angels before they started doing that :>) Certainly not being a same gang of psychopathic bandits and prostitutes as they are today. The people that you are referring to prior to "Saturn worship" weren't the same people as Jews of today (or Jews of the ancient world). Even if they descended from them, their Saturnian allegiance (and other, mongrel ancestry) has morphed them into something different due to a mutual-feedback loop.
>It had hint between violent conflict between Astrological jews and Yahweist jews
The former got genocided and raped out existence by the latter. Then they all got to be called "Jews" due to having common ancestry. But some pure fragments of the former have survived to this day ...
>Returning to 1 causes returning to 0
If it was only that simple ... Zero contains One, One does not contain Zero. One is death, Zero is immortality. Brahman and Atman. Making 10 the magic number of transcendence, which would actually make it the 11th number starting from zero (symbolizing pluralism, continuation, multiverse and other important concepts) The point inside the circle. One inside zero ... Self-existence. 10 and 11 are also guarantees of free will. The model (let's call it "the harem of God") which you are proposing implies the containment of zero within one, which is false. But this is a best way to summarize the rest of material which you keep quoting. It's all based on faulty logic and numerology.
>Its not "God" who causes second death
Depends which one. They may appear very similar/close, yet be of infinitely separate natures. Just like 1 and 0.
>Its Chaos that existed prior to God, the outer darkness that consumes
One consumes, another nourishes. Aryans used to follow the latter until they got tricked by proto-kikes to follow the former into their extinction (spiritual as well as physical). In simple terms, you have the "nigger chaos" and "white chaos". And just like races, they are not equal. While opposed (orthogonally, not diametrically - see swastika), one is of infinitely greater potential than another, of a different order. Chaos based on One and souls/gods deriving from it are finite, Chaos based on Zero and souls/Gods deriving from it are infinite. This is also the distinction between Hyletics/NPC's and Pneumatics/PC's that Gnostics told us about. By accepting egalitarianism (first religious, then philosophical, then socio-political as all politics are derived this way, and why these subjects are VERY /pol/-related), they have chosen the "nigger chaos" of Kali, which has resulted in Neo-Weimar and globohomo. Judeo-Masonic, Talmudic order (of Shiva) on another hand, is only a false dichotomy supposedly opposing this chaos, but what it truly does is serving the "nigger chaos" by opposing the "white chaos" instead and acting as a gatekeeper for preventing the "white order" from emerging as a generative force. Due to the vampiric, parasitic nature of their "Supreme being" (an impostor), they had to allow some "white chaos" in order to sustain the world (and universe at large), but to steer it towards the generation of abominations (slavery, suffering, etc.) and into the jaws of Saturn, instead of allowing it to generate "white order". By doing this, they have, figuratively speaking, cut one leg off from the cow (another Vedic reference), and why you will find three-legged crosses and other symbols much more prominent in such traditions compared to four-sided (Vedic-Aryan) ones, such as those used by the Teutonic Order for example.
Well, guess who just squared the compass ;) I'll probably face severe consequences for revealing this, but it's necessary for understanding the opposing models.
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a29f95 No.159338
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>>159319
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stochastic_resonance
Here is an example of the "white chaos"
>Computationally, neurons exhibit SR because of non-linearities in their processing. SR has yet to be fully explained in biological systems, but neural synchrony in the brain (specifically in the gamma wave frequency[7]) has been suggested as a possible neural mechanism for SR by researchers who have investigated the perception of "subconscious" visual sensation
>A gamma wave is a pattern of neural oscillation in humans with a frequency between 25 and 140 Hz, the 40-Hz point being of particular interest.[1] Gamma rhythms are correlated with large scale brain network activity and cognitive phenomena such as working memory, attention, and perceptual grouping
Someone asked me about the pillar of memory in previous thread :>) There are two pillars of the kind, one based on One, another based on Zero. Guess which one provides better memory capacity while being far more resilient to various 'fires' and 'floods'. The distinction between the two was also the mystery of the Grail (some people have non-physical 'blood' and 'ancestry' as well).
>Whole system is destroyed except those who in divine Lottery (as from Lot, Allotted, not from human entertainment by same name) emanated from Lucifer
You got this one correctly.
>>157717
Well described, but incomplete and subject to some of the errors which I've pointed out before.
>Logos was born from dismemberment of infinity of unified intelligence
Separation, yes. But there was never a singular, unified intelligence, which allowed separation in the first place.
>concept of movement, and time, that produces decay
Only in a finite framework. Even within it, there are exceptions. One is going against time (in reverse), another is being the unmoved mover. The latter requires God-tier consciousness, knowledge and will so it's not applicable on a society-wide scale, leaving us with what Hitler and his predecessors were trying to do. A collective effort.
>Love desired immortality
This is very important to note, if such "eternal marriage" wasn't possible, we would never desire it in the first place. Kikes are trying to convince us that this utterly debased world shaped in their image is normal and how things were always supposed to be, but we know that not to be the case.
>where most perfect Order of all will rule forever
We would already be living in such perfect Order if that was the case, as we have an infinity of time behind us. The fact that we are not debunks that Zoroastrian meme.
>So there are two Gods minimum in two dimensions.
Minimum four, not dimensions, but planes. I think that mathematical reciprocity is achieved by "nigger chaos" and "nigger order" continuously repeating in ever-declining, centripetal cycles (such as the river of Hades where souls lose their Memory), terminating into a focal point (One) of non-differentiation, but being orthogonal because they would need to draw energy from the "white chaos" (how physical universe got created in the first place), which in the opposite rotation centrifugally generates "white order" of Zero, which is eternal and doesn't repeat (because it's not a closed system). So you have a mechanism that does infinite repetitions of the finite in one corner (Brahman), and a 'single', supra-systemic meta-continuum of the infinite in another (Atman). It's kind of like shifting gears :D But this wouldn't be any old car, it would be Vimana, the diamond vessel, or the chariots of the Anunnaki. In the finite, measurable domain they are reciprocal, but in the infinite domain (which doesn't exist from the perspective of One), Atman is of infinitely superior quality. It seems however, that it would need a shadow feedback too based on this rotation, meaning that one of infinite nature would likely need to venture into the 'depths of hell', close to One (Dante portrayed the Devil as being in the center of Hell, this is the literal god that all universalists worship, regardless of creed), in order to attain a differentiated signal shaped by matter (which would act as a wave-guide due to its limiting nature), which would then be amplified by going in the opposite direction.
But here is the tricky part, while infinite souls can indeed be terminated into one and lose their immortality, turning into hollow copies/NPC's to be forever devoured by Saturn and then "resurrected" by Dionysus, those who have finite souls can never reach the realm of the infinite. That pretty much explains why kikes, most of animal-men, and an alarmingly increasing number of hollow whites do what they are doing.
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cf676f No.159433
>>159282
>sex was a Saturnian/Demiurgic corruption of divine love
>procreation leads to death
God is both moralist and liberalist, extremes meet at center where infinite expansion into atrocities of one sided view cease, physical love is continuation of mutual intimacy caused by kindred spirits. Indulgence is sex is akin to gluttony, but no one is alive without sex. No one would exist without Light, no soul would get born without Love, your body wouldn't exist without Sex. You say procreation leads to death, then how come you live, instead of being dead?
I'd say current trends in sexual attitudes is new venusian cycle showing its colors and the religion itself is going to juggle from Apollo's hand to Dionysus. The Whore became a Saint in 7BC, now this Saint becomes a Whore since 50 venusian cycles. Hence its not saturn who is praised under contemporary counter culture, but still Venus. How come people not realized this swinging pendulum of human rationality changing as soon as it gets tired of one thing, and becomes obsessed with another?
Even philosophy is madness, erotic passion of the soul for the ideas, and the illumination is the state of enhanced sensibility which brings about sensations of elation and "heavenly joy". Ecstasy of virgin purity in perverted restraint is the most debauched sexual activities of a man, and it does bring us closer to heavens, but people put a veil on "bridal chamber" to ignore that all divine activities is sex with God in the mind.
>Gods are not ruled by desire
One should ask a God, "Oh Desire, why you invented whole world filled with You?". Since nothing of Spirit ever lives without Desiring. And of higher birth the soul is, the more it wants to join the Holy. Its loathing is insane, it breaks the world apart to gets Her hands everywhere.
>>159283
>"two opposites of the same" leads to the very abomination of "one god"
Just because opposites are the same doesn't mean God is void.
There are many forms of the Spirit, but they are still made of Light.
>they would be much more warlike and would promote violence
You forget the one who holds the Lyre holds the Bow. If they promoted violence they would worship Shekinah again, just like their warlike ancestors who took over Jericho. Religious jews are afraid of participating in war like in a fire. Same God rules over pain as the one over pleasure. Day and Night are the same. War, Sex, Peace, Virginity, all in domain of the Same, because extreme levels of all of them are equals, peace at times is as bad as war, and virginity is as depraved as unrestrained sexuality. Its actually much better shown in north european culture predating christianity, whose symbols you're adoring, than in jewish scriptures.
We're dealing not with murderer by the sword.
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bc1480 No.159434
>>159433
are you the fucking german faggot from from cuck chan? Why do you have two threads going here?
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40504c No.159435
>>158228
start reading texts from Kemet
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cf676f No.159436
>>159319
By Hermetica descent to second death is 1, ascent is 9, and any combo that creates 9, starting from "Light and Love" of Sun Venus. Its all consistent in tying to simplest numbers, without double digits. 0 is simply non-being, which 1 turns into. But descent is always associated with lack of something, imperfection of inner order. Only Light is above darkness able to shove it off. The darkness has no rulership over Light by very nature of this world.
>"nigger chaos" and "nigger order"
I do not bite. Chaos and Order while existing in one another, Chaotic darkness is unable to take possession of Light. Not to mention how tied everything that is above Saturn is. Death is a temporary thing that doesn't exist after death, just like Time. Therefore in Light of transcendence there is no darkness. No order to take hold of for children of outer darkness, no place to sit in, no Light of intelligence to shine upon. Atheistic death is very akin to outer darkness, ideas of death attract the ones belonging to them. What's dead is already dead. What's alive goes from where it came from. Simple as that.
As for the Cross, i already mentioned it, cross shape as well as the Egg is inspired by Milky Way, Zodiacal Light and circle above it: >>159196 ; i am pretty sure "Celestial Egg, stuffed with light" from vedas was also inspired by that. "Being strange, possessed of Self" inside the treasure chest might as well be Venus inside Zodiacal Light, since Phanes and VIshnu seem to be associated through that. Might as well be what inspired Shiva's Lingam.
Muslims call it "False Dawn".
>>159434
Haven't visited cuck/pol/ for 6 years. Let me guess, some crossposter copies stuff from this thread?
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cf676f No.159439
Just to illustrate what i mean by "Space Cross" of Timaeus.
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40504c No.159447
>>159436
you are so far from any understanding
>Utterance 213:
Ho, Unis! You have not gone away dead: you have gone away alive.
Sit on Osiris's chair, with your baton in your arm, and govern the living;
with your water lily scepter in your arm, and govern those
of the inaccessible places.
Your lower arms are of Atum, your upper arms of Atum, your belly of
Atum, your back of Atum, your rear of Atum, your legs of Atum, your
face of Anubis.
Horus's mounds shall serve you; Seth's mounds shall serve you.
>Utterance 373
Oho! Oho! Rise up, O Teti!
Take your head, collect your bones,
Gather your limbs, shake the earth from your flesh!
Take your bread that rots not, your beer that sours not,
Stand at the gates that bar the common people!
The gatekeeper comes out to you, he grasps your hand,
Takes you into heaven, to your father Geb.
He rejoices at your coming, gives you his hands,
Kisses you, caresses you,
Sets you before the spirits, the imperishable stars…
The hidden ones worship you,
The great ones surround you,
The watchers wait on you,
Barley is threshed for you,
Emmer is reaped for you,
Your monthly feasts are made with it,
Your half-month feasts are made with it,
As ordered done for you by Geb, your father,
Rise up, O Teti, you shall not die!
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6d4508 No.159451
>>159447
Oh no anon, i've been contemplating the real point of egyptian necromancy and bondage of souls of the living to this world in order to make them into governing psychical Intellect left in Aether of the earth and manifesting in public consciousness. Commies in russia protect Lenin's corpse in Ziggurat for same reason. In spirit of Communism, father Marx and body of "Living Lenin" (who "lived, alive and still lives") in mausoleum, who they treat like a saint (yes, communism has its own "anointed one").
Mary Magdalene herself is bound through her own high necromantic magic, which Templars when discovered were worshiping, and spirits of the dead when rightfully bounded are way above simple mummies, they become according to egyptians spiritual energy of invoked Gods, walking this earth because their souls don't fully depart. Hence all the mummified or deified Egyptian and Roman Pharaohs and Emperors remain as intellectual energies filling the invisible spiritual realm, that is accessible as separate source of intellectual "data banks". As long of course as their places are not desecrated, for them Mausoleums are like Lich's philanthropies.
Hence why majority of early christians didn't had visions of "jesus", but rather most of them had visions of Mary. Because said Mary became God-Empress, immortal Priestess-Queen bound to Sirius and Venus. And bondage to stars has to be most important one, because it allows a star to remember information about particular soul in its personal heaven. How stars are doing it? I don't know, nobody can conjoin magic with science. They themselves act as transits of information.
Genius of Augustus, who also appeared to people in dreams and visions, had his own mausoleum. Maybe "Kingdom of God" is indeed not just inside, but also outside, as according to apocryphal gospels. Its a very complex phenomenology of mummified people messing with your mind and connecting through stars and using constellation as some form of magical insignia both here on earth and in the heavens.
True Necromancy is not about "raising" people from the dead. Its keeping their soul here. And when they rise they indeed "appear illusory" like heretics said about jesus, who "john" (actually Mary) mentioned to hide true egyptian roots of it. Its a high magic of total control of population by non-returners, whose psyche is bound to a mummy.
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2eebb2 No.159464
>Germany was worshiping (Forward going) Time and Death?
Death of an EPOCH, not death itself. They were trying to progress into another 'astrological age', just like the Aryans did by ending the Taurean Age.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_age#The_Age_of_Aries_(The_Arian_Age)
Also I would argue the black sun is a demiurgic symbol, that it represents the essence/aether/'dark energy' of the material world itself, the essence/magick that when harnessed creates change the same way (Saturnian) time does, i.e. willpower
I would argue that the material world/demiurge itself is dualistic, in the sense of being both Apollonian and Dionysian, and that this dualistic demiurge is what is being represented in all my pics related
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2eebb2 No.159468
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2eebb2 No.159476
>>159468
Forgot links
The Three Torus model of the universe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbruPR3o0Zc
Scientific findings that would justify such a model
>So the universe may not be isotropic in its laws of physics – one that is the same, statistically, in all directions. But in fact, there could be some direction or preferred direction in the universe where the laws of physics change, but not in the perpendicular direction. In other words, the universe in some sense, has a dipole structure to it.
>Dipole
Like a magnet - dualistic.
https://newsroom.unsw.edu.au/news/science-tech/new-findings-suggest-laws-nature-not-constant-previously-thought
Also forgot to mention Hermes/Mercury's caduceus, which Arimanius/Mithras carried, which can be see in the Two of Cups tarot card (a card which literally refers to dualism), and that appears as Baphomet's phallus.
Note that Hermes/Mercury himself was a 'psychopomp', and also dualistic, as he was the only god capable of entering both Mount Olympus and the Underworld.
Also the Star of David/Remphan which itself is a dualistic symbol, with the upwards triangle being the alchemical symbol for fire, and the phallus, and the downwards triangle being the alchemical symbol for water and yoni/ovaries.
Not to mention where Mithras' name comes from
>The Indo-Iranian common noun *mitra means "(that which) causes [-tra] to bind [mi-]", hence Sanskrit mitram, "covenant, contract, oath"
Also note, Mitra was described as the "(eye of, light of) the morning sun" - just like Lucifer being the 'morning star'.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitra_(Vedic)
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2eebb2 No.159478
>>159476
And one more thing - that one figure that is said to represent either (a form of) Mithras or a degree within the Mithraic order? The Mithraic order whose highest degree is Saturn? That statue that has a lion's head, wings, and snake; just like Phanes, the demiurge/Yaldaboath, and the Tarot card that represents dualism?
It is known as Arimanius, which comes from 'Ahriman'.
In Zoroastrianism, there is a dualism of the creative mind/essence (i.e. Apollonian) and the destructive mind/essence (i.e. Dionysian) within the higher spirits. The latter essence is known as Ahriman.
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2eebb2 No.159492
>Eggs symbolize the unification of two complementary principles (represented by the egg white and the yolk) from that life or existence, in its most fundamental philosophical sense, emerges.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_egg
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2a18c1 No.159496
>>159464
>>159468
All symbols are pointless without full meaning of teaching behind them. Never liked animal-head symbolism though, downplays quality of a divine being that is supposed to be portrayed as more divine than human, and hence love for beauty usually present for anybody, any truly inspired person would want to see divine as perfection, not animalistic creature (even though we consider bird parts like wings more ascended than the rest, as a remnant of orphic belief that "flying creatures" were created first). In hinduism they attributed goat head to Daksha, for he was resurrected with a head replaced with a goat one, for making Sati, bride of Shiva, immolate herself. But then again you right, two horns are always symbol of dual nature.
What i find however is that its far more secure and beneficial to guide your people with Luciferan (Venusian) symbols, than Saturnalian, and never combine Venus ways with Saturn, because you cannot combine love with death, least you cause a catastrophe like communism was. USA mostly relied on eagles (divine bird), with olive branch (bestowed by dove to Noah) and arrows (war aspect) and five pointed stars for that reason. As well as statue of Liberty also representing Hekate, as far as Byzantium goes she was associated with Venus (Hecate Phosphorus), after all seven horns of Pleiades on it are telling.
So there are indeed orderly, benefiting symbols related for love and preservation, and some for destruction. Sometimes working as self curse.
I also know about cult of Fraternitas Saturni, that was actually forbidden in Hitler's Germany. Lodge emigrated in order to avoid imprisonment. There were at least 5 Lodges around the world. As far as saturnalian cult treachery going, they aren't even hiding it:
>In 1993 one resigned master ("Immanuel-succession") founded another Saturnian order, the Communitas Saturni, in southern Germany.
"Communists of Saturn", life sometimes is stranger than fiction.
>>159478
Both cults of Christianity and Mithraism were inspired by Orphic/Bacchic traditions. As far as dual nature goes, read Heraclitus and Orphic poems:
>>135409
>>>/pdfs/13414
>>155196
>>157007
There's much in nature of Gods go. I find unity of opposites an intellectual contemplation of concepts beyond good and evil, effectively erasing human inferiority of one way of thinking.
On Phanes look up those three posts (especially one on the egg):
>>154473
>>155377
>>159196
As far as i am aware serpent for the primal God means necessity and time (which is eventually abandoned). But also process of "whirling" of a God through the world, as if revealing Himself by this Time serpent, as in truth unveiled by time.
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a29f95 No.159598
>>157788
>I have come to the conclusion that I am sort of addicted to you in a strange way
I have such effect on those with the proper 'sight' , while the beastmen have always instinctively disliked me. My antagonistic/transformative nature often makes people project their own shadow onto me.
>You are the strangest person I have ever met and out of all the people I have met, I like you best…
I am flattered, truly. Could say that the sympathy is mutual, since you seem to be one of very rare genuine people that I've encountered. Gifted, too, despite being very irrational at times.
>even when you are mean
It was not intentional, and trust me, you don't wish to witness me being truly mean.
>Truth is indeed rare, perhaps even more rare than what you are seeking
Indeed, "humanity" was not created for knowing the truth. Only some are capable of that, due to their hybrid nature, and not entirely. The rest are like chickens trying to fly over the abyss, their 'wings' might be rather ... inadequate for that. The impotent flapping of their wings in a futile attempt to discover some meaning before their inevitable fall into the abyss can generate a lot of noise however, as evidenced by a lot of content that got posted in this and another thread.
>For there might be more than one woman in the world who fits your description
The chances of me being with such a woman are too low even when utilizing synchronicities. Don't forget that I have VERY powerful forces as enemies. Those yet unknown to this world too. Besides, that's not my only goal here.
>I am cleared for 'takeoff' now anon
You are not going anywhere I'm afraid. Not yet.
>and that I will remember you
Which would be of utmost importance. Back to the subject of memory ... we might be actually holographically and synchronistically generating each other from immaterial memory fragments, which could be a key for (true) immortality. That would be a basis for the highest marriage, but also the spiritual race/comradeship. However, that subject is too arcane for this thread.
>so I have no duty to share anything truly profound with humanity
That was only feeding the parasites and making life more easy for the unworthy. Why do you think that there have been no major scientific breakthroughs ever since kikes stole NS German discoveries? Which were mostly 'occult inspired' to say the least. Almost everything that got developed from the end of the war until today was just a further refinement of technologies and scientific discoveries stolen with espionage and various "operations paperclip" The only exception being the "blood science" and various mind control techniques of the Jews.
>Wat mean?
I meant that some are claiming him to be a kike just because he (supposedly) had some ancestry, which could be a lie, but that man is pretty much an antithesis of a Jew.
>It bragged that in less than 20 years there would not be any pure blood Germans left
That goes for other nations as well. But yes, corrupting Germanic was part of the agenda since forever, but certain lineages especially, since their capacity to restore the memory was greatest.
>I am the last of my own line
Interestingly, Karl Maria Wilgut said the same. The crazy old man was probably onto something.
>as you so fervently lectured me in the past about cloning
You were reading my mind, I was just thinking at the time how nice would it be to make a 20 year old clone of you, but since it wouldn't be you, we would need to find a way to transfer your soul from your current body into it. Once fully synchronized, it would probably correct most defects in it's genetic code caused by not knowing the hidden variables which make your body organic, and which make you (you). Unfortunately, I have no access to the underground cloning facility with billions of dollars of black budget funding.
>your window of opportunity is closing anon
Yes, and I'm getting older and less attractive too (Thanks Saturn)
>I suppose since you can 'have any woman you want' you are not at any loss for company.
Lately, I struggle with having any at all. It was about finding the 'right' company, not just any company anyway. Modern women have horrible ROI thanks to the Jews, but due to their "nature" as well. I wonder if your interest in me would fade instantly if I told you that I'm an incel kek. It would be an interesting thought experiment.
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40504c No.159619
>>159451
necromancy is specifically speaking with the dead. the ka leaves the body, it is not tied to it.
again:
"
The gatekeeper comes out to you, he grasps your hand,
Takes you into heaven, to your father Geb.
He rejoices at your coming, gives you his hands,
Kisses you, caresses you,
Sets you before the spirits, the imperishable stars…"
writing gives immortality to the idea
consider that religion and belief systems are tools to deal with the environment. Consider we can touch the stars if we labor at understanding science. Where is the profit in assigning magical properties to what we know are planets?
In a fictional setting this is fun. But in a time of happenings how can the study of magic/hermetics help us when we already know chemistry? When we have started to master the atom?
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86f318 No.159621
>>159598
>You are not going anywhere I'm afraid.
It is only a body anon, I have died and almost died before many times, it is very easy to slip away (if people understood how very easy it was they would be shocked). I have to admit I, myself, am rather curious how long it (and duty) will hold onto me. I would guess, not long as I have already lingered here too long already and I KNOW it.
>Karl Maria Wilgutt
Funny how people know when this is true as well.
>very irrational at times.
lol…I am sure that is how it appears from the outside. It is not easy to balance all these possible futures and be coherent about them (they are like the waves lapping on the ocean shore; appearing for a moment and then gone again with nothing but a foamy lace structure broken by the wind until all trace of it is vanished)…I don't think most people would have the strength of will to look in on them at all. Which is why they don't.
>The impotent flapping of their wings in a futile attempt to discover some meaning before their inevitable fall into the abyss can generate a lot of noise however, as evidenced by a lot of content that got posted in this and another thread.
I can't decide if this is yet another pointed comment. Either way it made me laugh.
>we might be actually holographically and synchronistically generating each other from immaterial memory fragments, which could be a key for (true) immortality.
This is a possibility but I have always been deeply suspicious of the situation. I can remember telling you to 'stay on your side of the planet' and I will 'stay on mine' when we first met. I was afraid we would fall into each other so there is potentially more to it as well.
>Unfortunately, I have no access to the underground cloning facility with billions of dollars of black budget funding.
You say that like it is a bad thing. ;^) I once read this very good science fiction short story about a man that made identical clones of himself to perform jobs in space and on dangerous new worlds. How his clones hated him for that. Just bitterly seethed that he had selected that future for them and cut them off from his own life, happiness and good fortune, cast them into the void of space, without consulting them. I think the writer was reflecting on the anger he felt towards the First Man and his own decision. I wonder how much of this same rage is internalized by every human and never examined? How those clones seethed at their maker over their trials, life and death…
>Yes, and I'm getting older and less attractive too (Thanks Saturn)
Does this bother you? I am so pleased and delighted by my own experience that I marvel over it every day. All these new and often/sometimes unpleasant experiences for my consideration and reflection of the physical form in juxtaposition with youth and beauty (which I have a soft and gentle love and appreciation for at this point). I am really in love with the entire visceral examination of 'Life' (this might be a perspective one only enjoys when they are 'close' tho). Like I said before in the previous thread, anon…I am very grateful for the entire experience.
>I wonder if your interest in me would fade instantly if I told you that I'm an incel
I don't know anon. I have asked myself many times…what is my interest in you (I doubt it is related to your sexual status tbh)? And I don't think your celibacy plays a role tho but I can't be certain yet simply because it has never crossed my mind to really think about this. This may play into the fact that the computer as a tool is not a sexual tool for women, or associated with sexuality (for me), and so this would not really cross my mind in this context. ←speculation on my part
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86f318 No.159622
>>159598 (cont.)
>Modern women have horrible ROI thanks to the Jews
Well anon I suppose this depends on what you want from a woman. Obviously if you are not looking to reproduce and you are independent (self sufficient) then what use would a woman be? It is only someone who is genuinely missing something (in this situation) that would have a use for a woman at all, given those underlying assumptions. Also, when you think about someone who is highly gifted or intelligent they will have a significant amount of trouble seeing the value not just in women but in all of humanity for obvious reasons. You have to be missing part of yourself for you to have value for 'the other' rather than simply 'the illusion' of the female. Of course, this 'missing part' may not happen for hybrids or full bloods, I can't be certain. Certainly for Serrano the illusion of the female is adequate.
Primordial female
Flesh and blood female
Illusion of female
I guess you would have to ask yourself how 'whole' you were anon to answer the question about ROI and the feminine. ;^)
>It was about finding the 'right' company, not just any company anyway.
I understand. This is an undervalued assessment that is vital for happiness. Unfortunately it takes a very long time, perhaps even a lifetime or more to determine what is the 'right company'. When I reflect on this, I just feel sad (our modern world is a bit of a clusterfuck tbh). This is even more important for fragments…potentially the most important and far reaching decision that they will ever consider imo.
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b2903a No.159624
damn I don't have the energy or motivation to read all this shit
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0fcf06 No.159679
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>Phosphorus (Greek Φωσφόρος Phōsphoros) is the Morning Star, the planet Venus in its morning appearance
>Phosphorus is a chemical element with the symbol P and atomic number 15. Elemental phosphorus exists in two major forms, white phosphorus and red phosphorus, but because it is highly reactive, phosphorus is never found as a free element on Earth.
>Deshret, from Ancient Egyptian, was the formal name for the Red Crown of Lower Egypt and for the desert Red Land on either side of Kemet (Black Land), the fertile Nile river basin. When combined with the Hedjet (White Crown) of Upper Egypt, it forms the Pschent (Double Crown), in ancient Egyptian called the sekhemti.
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b9acb4 No.159698
>>159624
I share this feeling of energy loss, but fate doesn't let go.
>>159619
>Where is the profit in assigning magical properties to what we know are planets?
In the jewish pocket that profit is, because all of them are obsessed with them. Every one of them wants to own goyim after life just like in this life.
That said, for death i am aware this was all considered a superstition even by Egyptians themselves. You yourself recommended to read Kemetic texts, but i instead found Axioms of Kemet instead and there was this line in it (From Instructions of Merikare 2130-2040 BC):
>The soul comes to the place it knows, and it will not overstep the ways of the past; no magic can oppose it, and it will reach those who give it water.
>Do not put your trust in length of years, for some regard a lifetime, as an hour, a person survives after death, and past deeds are laid before the person in a heap.
So its pretty much mostly many cults of Egypt having many afterlife practices, that culminated in out-of-egypt Judaism and Christianity. But none of this really matters. I find religion a temporary/local thing. Its logical to hate magic, its a trick of lower genuses to make you pretend you're controlling them, and not them you, but its advisable to study those who practice it. Solomon didn't "bound" angels, angels bounded Solomon, that's the sane man's realization.
>Consider we can touch the stars if we labor at understanding science.
We won't. Humanity will go insane before we will explore space. There's be new Luciferan-Dionysian religion in this Venusian Epoch (You were actually warned about it by Jung: >>148005 and his implification of Dionysian resurrection), either through Liberalism or through occultism. Prior to third world war, or after it. Warn i about it or not, people are going to hit themselves into it like into a wall, as it was with christianity.
>>157831
>I always found Orthodox Christianity very distasteful and repulsive (I live in a country where it's a main religion), now I'm beginning to understand why.
I remembered your post again, anon. I should remind you of elephant in the room when it comes to Orthodoxes specifically, don't know how badly it is with Catholics. Its not a problem that they consume flesh and blood of Living God, its an old Bacchanic practice and not against our nature of inferiority of understanding how soul unites with the forces above itself, which i think always participates in divinity or never does. Its not a problem they worship divine feminine, about which another anon complained in other thread, or kiss icons of saints and angels which are known as renamed higher Intellects, that we always believed rule above us in cosmic hierarchy. Not even a problem they pray for long if its not forced by others, but their own desirable way of reaching out to Divine.
The real problem is confessional practice that they practice before Eucharist. Young children go and confess how they masturbated in tears, kneeling to some fat bearded cynical gluttonous pig in a black dress, who uses psychological tricks to force people doing this soul rape, Church used to collect information on local population this way, before they invented internet and a way to this through idiots spreading personal information on social networking websites. In medieval times it was especially exploited, until they gone too cocky and started to ask money for forgiveness of sins. People's personal life should stay to themselves, rather to drown population in tears and produce atheists out of hate for this.
Modern man can get really traumatized by this experience because our life right now is inbetween sexual extravaganza and religious mysticism, then they ask why people become more hateful towards the Church, its a confessional self hate under guidance of humans, not Gods. And i feel like Renaissance was better than Enlightening, because it at least opened gateway to understanding what we actually worshiped. But we didn't used knowledge right and now population of European people is in-between "Progress" led by crowd of psychology manipulating jews, Mysticism available through availability of all information on the internet, and Church that is concerned not with well being of people, but their own survival for monetary gain. And Protestants are just misguided people who didn't got that whole scripture was "pagan", not just the church.
But people as far as i know are unable to live without faith. Some are simply born as priests, with or without temple, being temple themselves. Egyptians were dissatisfied with afterlife of Osiris too, before their civilization fell. Because all those mummifications and ziggurats are all too tiresome to build to believe in.
Who we call "Holy Spirit" is beyond all the anointed lords and priest kings. Its a mistake to worship possessed, than what is possessing them.
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86f318 No.159737
>>159698
>Its not a problem that they consume flesh and blood of Living God
Cannibalism, of any sort, is a problem for me anon. It is rooted in the nigger 'religions'. Could you explain why it is not a problem for you?
>Young children go and confess how they masturbated in tears, kneeling to some fat bearded cynical gluttonous pig in a black dress, who uses psychological tricks to force people doing this soul rape
Yes, this data collection for later blackmail and control is very wrong.
There is only ONE religion anon. Every second of your existence is a communique between you and God (as you understand him), no one else. This is the only valid religion, it is built into Life itself and no one else can comprehend your/our experience here.
>Its a mistake to worship possessed, than what is possessing them.
I would not even go this far…all that 'work' that they put you to for their own glorification is obnoxious and it detracts from your own advancement.
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2ac9ba No.159748
There are few things to write before losing myself in things that i don't want to read.
There are three obvious Patriarchs of unified "Light God" religion.
1. Akhenaten
2. Orpheus
3. Moses/Osarseph
All three somehow linked within riddle-like knowledge they all left in their writings. Last two are semi-mythical because of their history being distilled with myth. Akhenaten called Sun his heavenly "Father" in stone of discovery of the Aten. Between Orpheus and Moses there are at least two connections, Mousaios pupil of Orpheus and the fact Osareph was a priest of Osiris, where Orpheus was reforming Bacchic cult in vein of Osiris. About Sun (Apollon), Orpheus says "you are Bacchos, Didymeus, Loxias, too", Osiris, who was identified with Dionysos, had a brother and a son named Horus, both of whom were identified with Apollon. They are all One to him in association through epithets in a way Plotinus best describes participation of whole:
>For all things there are transparent, and there is nothing dark or opaque; everything and all things and clear down to the innermost part of everything; for light is transparent to light. Each there has everything in itself and sees all things in every other, so that all are everywhere and each and every one is all and the glory is unbounded; for each of them is great, because even even the small is great; the sun there is all the stars, and each star is the sun and all the others. A different kind of being stands out in each, but in each all are manifest.
This is probably best description of God that is Light i ever seen. All Angels of biblical scriptures are manifestations, aspects and hipostasies of God. There are spheres of participation in the Divine, but they still represent ultimately, Light. They are all Gods as far as Intellects of God (Abraham and Moses understood this). And Venus/Shekinah serves as binder of Love in orchestra of all stars, because it represents itself both in geometries and in sending an important message within zodiacal light, which formed religions and made everyone mad over it.
>>159737
>Could you explain why it is not a problem for you?
Because almost everyone who has a seed grain of intelligence understands its a metaphor for intellectual enlightenment. Light is your mind is fed by Light of Logos. Neurons get fed by higher power. You should remember that "Word made Flesh" is still Word. That's the spell of whole new testament.
>There is only ONE religion anon.
Ultimately there's only one Light too, which we are alive by. Which is whole Light. Which we retrace in various ways depending ultimately on how we look at it. God seems to have multi-personality disorder, that is only connected to single intelligence when humanity is contacted by certain sphere of that Intellect. And when we tend to look directly at it we get blind.
>all that 'work' that they put you to for their own glorification is obnoxious and it detracts from your own advancement.
Any "Priest King" was a magus in commune with God. Indra, Odin, Dionysus, Jesus, Mary - all of those were, ultimately, people. Hell even our modern word for "stars", as in famous people, it is derivative from "stars" as "gods" who descend on earth as people. But all of them without exception steal glory of real God to themselves.
And gnostic Mary, that Da Vinci and Templars believed in, "became male" according to Osiris tradition where women have to become men (especially knowing of other relations of Osiris myth to Jesus). So i am not surprised Gospel of John is so feminine, in retrospect, compared to others. But then again, primal androgyny is godlike, when two are made one once more, and fruit of "good and evil" is erased by non-duality, which amazingly correlates with eastern philosophies. The only difference in western tradition since Egypt is that we believed men are already whole and sexless, as if by default first creation, while women are inferior, secondary, walking dualities, made of sex. The error in this is that soul appears to have no sexual features.
I am going to play with this fire a little longer and attempt to read what the "enemy" spells out for this.
Shekinah wasn't malevolent, nor Noah was a jew, he's like mythical first Priest-King right after Enoch.
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86f318 No.159764
>>159748
>Because almost everyone who has a seed grain of intelligence understands its a metaphor for intellectual enlightenment.
Sure anon. Because just promoting intellectual enlightenment is 'too difficult' for people to comprehend and obviously no one would take this the wrong way and by nigger teaching defile themselves or anything /s. Sometimes you guys are really detached from the reality of the average human mind and its ability to comprehend what you consider 'obvious'. They are like children (retarded in a sense) and you are facilitating the destruction of souls with your carelessness/tradition.
Next time, just say what you mean.
And I 'get it' we are all composed of Light here but there is no reason to begin a tradition in defilement of the human soul, unless you think that makes you stronger somehow (which was what I was hoping you would explain rather than sidestepping the issue and pretending that somehow I just misunderstood the obvious promotion of what is profane and animal in nature).
It is true that 'not by deed, but by faith' we would see God for all our actions are profane here in some sense, but you don't have to build the prison by being obtuse or leading normies into error because it inevitably gets codified into something that will only corrupt them further. Know what I mean?
I am totally baffled by the thought that any woman would want to become a male.
In a way the Gospel of Thomas has always horrified me with that thought (no less than the male love of cannibalism to capture the power of their 'enemies'). The idea of giving up creation for stasis seems, honestly, rather repulsive to me. It is like Markduk himself reared his murderous head in all of post Egyptian thinking and we have 'lived by his thoughts' from that point forward. How splendid this has worked out for the Earth and all creation as well. It is almost like having men in charge of things was a curse or something /s.
>Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.”
I cannot tell you how much I long for the day when this is no longer the case and the curse is lifted and we are free of these horrific shackles.
>All the angels bowed down, but Iblis refused to do so. [S]He argued that since [s]he [herself]himself was created from fire, [s]he is superior to humans, made from Clay-mud, and that he should not prostrate himself before Adam.
Despite the constant refrain that men are 'fire and air' and women are 'earth and water' all major religions testify against that as Truth.
>13 You were in Eden, the garden of God. Every kind of precious stone adorned you: ruby, topaz, and diamond, beryl, onyx, and jasper, sapphire, turquoise, and emerald. Your mountings and settings were crafted in gold, prepared on the day of your creation. 14 You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for I had ordained you. You were on the holy mountain of God; you walked among the fiery stones.
>I saw a horrible thing: a great fire there which burnt and blazed, and the place was cleft as far as the abyss, being full of great descending columns of 8 fire: neither its extent or magnitude could I see, nor could I conjecture. Then I said: 'How 9 fearful is the place and how terrible to look upon!' Then Uriel answered me, one of the holy angels who was with me, and said unto me: 'Enoch, why hast thou such fear and affright?' And 10 I answered: 'Because of this fearful place…
I know my own nature anon.
Becoming a 'male' (clay) is just one more way to say, "Get in the box, Woman and go down to the death of Princes, Kings and Generals." lol…no thanks, Lucifer/Iblis was correct. It is always a game with you men to see if you can contain/trick the Spirit in its 'bottle'.
:^) lol
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0fcf06 No.159769
>>159748
Essential meaning can be lost in translation, there is no differentiating whether the Egyptian would indicate Male or Masculine in the general metaphysical sense, and in that context what would be required would be dynamic Masculine qualities..
The symbol for woman/Feminine correlated to the horizon, passivity, but a woman also has Masculine qualities and visa versa for the Male, she would obviously need to get in touch with them for the dynamic assertion of re-birth, but also a Male could passively accept fate, even create an entire religion based upon this called Buddhism.
The Gnostic thing about women having to become Males is typical Jewish nonsense.
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85a0e1 No.159770
>>159764
Honestly to fully understand jewish scriptures it requires to understand what jews themselves thought of them. Although i understand the notion that jews stole idea of God from Akhenaten, we (Romans) stole their God from them (albeit with some unnecessary necromancy tied in).
I will need some times to learn from our enemy, but just example from what i am reading right now, jews do not understand Daemon the same way we understand concept of intellectual guardian assigned at birth, which is proof of divinity for people. Instead they believe this (from collected teachings of Rabbi known as Adin Steinsaltz, he's on the picture next to pope):
>When we study Scripture, God studies with us
>In Pirkei Avot ( “ Sayings of the Fathers ” ), a well - known tractate of the Mishnah, there is a statement to the effect that one hour of happiness in the world to come is better than all the life of this world.
>Such a belief may satisfy the mystical ardor of many religious people.
>But this statement is followed by a baffling statement that is opposite to the first — declaring that one hour of teshuvah (repentance) and ma’asim tovim (good deeds) in this world is worth more than all the life in the world to come. In this world, we have something no other world contains. We can come into direct communion with God through his Torah.
>When we study Scripture, God studies with us, the Talmud says. When we perform actions according to the Torah, we are not separate from Him.
As you see there's some programing implied, as if second intelligence acts according to programmed spirit by Scriptures (and i see every religious book as a spell book, that easily can trap intelligence in its system of values). And there's explanation of that, if you haven't forgot what i said about all Angels being God:
>When a person studies Torah, he creates an angel and becomes a creature that has connections with a higher order of existence.
>Any attempt to picture this spiritual essence has its limitations. It is of an experiential order. That is, it is something that happens.
>The physical pronunciation of holy words is a reality that transforms, and the sanctified essence thus created is connected to the person who created it.
Also they are aware of limited amount of Angels, and because of that they are apologetic to "animal soul" or animal men of another anon in this thread:
>The angels are limited. They are static, and each is eternally the same. The human soul needs to be challenged by the animal soul for the sake of the individual ’ s growth, and it is not fair to call the animal soul evil because it merely does its duty.
He also confirms that Angels have no curiosity (self-perfection of knowledge attributed to Angel):
>Angels don't seem to have curiosity; they know everything. And animals learn only what they need to live. So the only beings who are curious about anything are people.
Then he claims "each of us (jews) are channeling God":
>According to Rabbi Schneur Zalman of Liadi, the eighteenth - century mystic and Talmudist, the precondition for this meeting is what he calls “ self - nullification. ” As developed in the Tanya , his quietly revolutionary work, self - nullification requires a person to separate from his ego, his smugness, and his importance.
>This is not to denigrate the ego. We need our egos in order to grow, in order to fulfill the biblical charge to master the world, in order to effect tikkun olam . But just as we suspend our physical creativity, the tangible expression of our ego, on Shabbat and yom tov, we must also subordinate our egos, on the deepest level, during those activities in which we seek to join our will to God ’ s. A judge, for example, acting as an emissary of God in the search for truth and justice, must put aside his feelings, personal and philosophical, in order to adjudicate fairly. He cannot disregard the facts and side with a poor petitioner over a wealthy one because he feels the wealthy one can better “ afford ” to lose. He must decide according to the law.
>Each of us also has the ability to “ channel ” God. When we forget ourselves in prayer, we let God enter.
>When we give tzedakah, not as an expression of our power but as an agent of God in the distribution of His bounty, we are God ’ s conduit into the world.
>And when we learn Torah as a way of unifying our minds with His, we are increasing God ’ s presence on earth.
In all honesty jewish scriptures are full of do this/do not rules, that are exceptionally mechanical, there's no "god" to enter, just bunch of sabbath rules and laws. I fully understand criticism and why Egyptian negative confessions of Maat are significantly superior. Their contact with Angels is mechanical, not spiritual. And also with implied another God/Angel growing inside from programming itself, another God inside Unconsciousness, the one that's actually immortal, also known as "Lamp of God" or "Light of God" in Babylonian Talmud.
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85a0e1 No.159775
>>159769
>there is no differentiating whether the Egyptian would indicate Male or Masculine in the general metaphysical sense
Well, it appears only male followers of Osiris reborn, so that spell "to become male" makes sense as in to become Osiris you have to change pronounces. Some historians explained it as much.
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8e1012 No.159777
>>159775
Yes but anon…this is just silliness left over from their lack of understand why a 'virgin birth' or parthenogenesis would cause a son to be born. Their lack of understanding of genetics is not going to cause me to give up my ability to create and 'become male' that would be an abomination, honestly anon, it is a foul and 'sethian' chaotic idea.
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0fcf06 No.159782
>>159775
All that is being said there is that for Magical reasons a woman would need to magically identify with the Masculine qualities of Wsir/Osiris, as i indicated.
The entirety of Egyptian religion is concerned with Masculine birth and rebirth from the Feminine, or in the case of the Atum the translation through the Feminine to the Masculine.
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b03a81 No.159793
>>159777
There's deeper secret. You know, there's no theology on Semele (even though she was also human bearing a God, and her ascend from Hades was celebrated in Thebian Festivals) or Isis concerning their virgin birth, except for Dionysus making everyone denying virginity of His Mother mad (write him into Holy Inquisition). Aside of it all i view this as oxymoron or even duality of Venus as being Blessed Prostitute, or epithet of Magdalene "Holy Sinner". Here's a deal though. For as much as i understand, if Mary is considered to be everything to gnostic God, his Mother, Sister and Bride, as well as may be Daughter, after changing sex she would end up also being… Father. As well as both of the Johns.
Have you ever missed a point in "Word became Flesh"? When it comes to initial Mary Worship it began with theological debates about the "Word". In jewish tradition every Angel separately is also God. Even Voice of an Angel can be considered Word of a God.
Lets take a moment to remember serpent in Garden of Eve, how Eve was seduced by Words of the serpent? Through ears she disobeyed will of God. But what about Mary who heard words of Angel Gabriel (Lk. 1.26–38)? She got impregnated.
Remember how Book of Enoch said Angels committed "sin" by massively having sex with earthly women? And that produced titans/giants and violence around the world requiring flood. It is possible to create godlike being by a women being impregnated by mere voice of the angel. As they say Word entered to form a living temple. Therefore at that moment Gabriel was a form of many formed Light God.
There were people calling themselves Arianists who believed that Word of God was a creature capable of mutation and change. In terms of the incarnation, the person of Christ was said to be a kind of super-angelic spirit who endured a cosmic descensus in order to inhabit a human body (they were probably fun people).
People say Gabriel "foretold" births of both John the Baptist and Jesus, but it seems he literally cast out Words to get people pregnant, those were both sacred births by Angel's voice. Gever, means a young or strong man, especially a warrior, and El, a word for God. So Gabriel meant for Catholic theologists "God and Man". Gabriel plays a role in incarnation of Jesus, and especially Words ‘Lord is with you’ (Lk. 1.28) and acted as a medium for this conduit. Said conduit was argued to be done through the ear as spiritual ark. Gabriel those is a mirror of the seduction by the serpent in Eden.
We also know that John haven't died. If in the story he's masked with tripartite Mary, written after Isis/Hathor, then the Divine Feminine we're talking about was always Writer and his Word. Henceforth scriptures are called "Holy", because they are product of divine impregnation, that is described in Symposium as act of daimon that is between "mortal and immortal", "God and man", Gabriel. Or in our case Shekinah's sacrificial offspring conceived a "spell" like Odin did with runes, Logos, to preach new conduit through scribes. Those were never humans, but fates.
And Jesus? Not the same person who is magus Yeshua, that one is forgotten by Roman scribes. But incarnation of God-man Gabriel. The reason he's between God and Man, is same reason why Hermes is in between worlds as a messenger. Unlike Archangel Michael who's identified with fixed Aldebaran, Gabriel is Mercury. Where "Bringer" of the Word is Venus, Mary. And so "Jesus" is a Son of Venus and Mercury, Love and Wisdom. Hence all of them are incarnations, just like all Light, of secretive divine inspiration that ends up maddening the world, and so was with all religions before it.
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8e1012 No.159827
>>159793
Hmm this is very interesting from the perspective of procreation by Word vs procreation by Flesh. Yes, truly something to think about anon.
I have pondered the Rosicrucian story about 'the world before the fall' many times wondering how it was that pregnancy came about in an all female world and who was First Man. Why all religion was geared towards man (the sons of the angels).
Last thread someone got mad at me and sort of called me an unappreciative tart (or something along those lines lol) for not being grateful for 'being taken out of caves' and forced into modern society. The things that stick in the mind…
So the Word of God came into women before men walked on the Earth. Well that is interesting anon. Thank you for clearing that up. It is interesting that something that would have resulting in all divine offspring no longer occurs or occurs extremely rarely at this point. What in the world were the angels getting at if they wanted actual physical intercourse with a flesh and blood body?
>massively having sex
lol I am, unfortunately, picturing this…not just sex but massive sex!
This reminds me war…it is always 'inserting things into others'…whether it is bullets, ideas, Words or penis'. I am going to have to think about the purpose of the male fetish of always entering into everything they can. Professional transgressors.
As you know, the web is shit for many things, but one of the things it is most shitty at is consistency in 'angelore'. They have Raphael as Mercury (which makes sense since he taught men to fish). Do you have a source for your thoughts on Gabriel being Mercury. IDK something in print because the web is horrid, literally 3 different answers from three different pages of planetary assignments.
Awww snap the Orthodox have Raphael as Cain…whoa!! Now that is really something to think about. Well that explains why the Teth is the first symbol.
>“Come, follow Me,” Jesus said, “and I will make you fishers of men.”
Why would men need to be fished for in the sea (which is simply a lesser instance of the Sea of Fire) unless they were going selected for…heavenly duty.
>These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they remained virgins. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among mankind and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb."
It is interesting that I always viewed this from the culturally negative perspective of the semites and their hatred of women…but rather it is men themselves who have defiled themselves by behaving in an unnatural manner after the model of First Man.
See third iPet goat image…I included a picture of the 'fish' (Sheepshead fish) from the video IRL because they are f r e a k y looking.
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8e1012 No.159833
>>159827
This also explains the monas hieroglyphica (and the removal of the Teth from the Earth) and reinstatement of the Sun/Michael as ruler over the Earth. Selene with the reinstatement of Michael as God, and the phrase 'face like the sun' or Uriel the angel of the Earth being in charge of the 'Light of God'.
>In His right hand He held seven stars, and out of His mouth came a sharp two-edged sword; and His face was like the sun shining in its strength.
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b46871 No.159884
>>157861
>only Enki resurrected Her
Ah, the archetypal whiteknighting SJW cuck and god of globohomo. He is the one responsible for this disaster, and he will be punished for it (severely), while his failed experiments will go into the jaws of Saturn where they belong. It's inevitable and your pilpul won't change that, even if you write a new Torah in these threads. They can delude themselves as much as they want about "conquering the underworld" in the meantime, underworld is all that they will get. And what's gradually 'leaking' into it as well :>) If only people realized how much of crossbred abomination "humanity" was to begin with... If only they knew who was most responsible for all of their confusion and suffering, a god who out of perverse desire and decadence alone, just as those like him, wanted to bind the divine essence to the bestial forms, ruining both in the process. An ultimately selfish act, all under the guise of "common good" , "love" and "empathy" (sounds familiar?). A god "saving" you from himself. Hypocrisy taken to "divine" proportions. But it seems to be your choice (if you had any to begin with, which I'm doubting more and more given your slave mentality), so bon appetit! Don't let me stop you from being fooled by gods of deception. You said it yourself that "we" (by that you meant you) are too lowly to understand the motivations of the gods, what makes you think that the one who is conveniently using you right now has your best interests in mind or wants you to know the actual truth?
>>157862
>That also requires incentive to move you in such mysterious ways, a prize, something you love.
Or something you hate ... until your hate becomes immortalized. Much greater power comes this way.
>>157883
>Since you have sought and attained knowledge, such that it is, do you believe it is 'fair judgement' against you by Enlil that you too should never be allowed to leave here?
I never partook of this world fully (gods know a lot of tricks) and don't forget that I'm hung 'upside down' when it comes to this universe. Besides, I don't think that I partook of death under free will. You remember what it's like being actually alive, you know damn too well that no one of divine nature would choose this existence over that one. I was likely sent here as some sort of trial, to test am I worthy of my essence and my 'lineage'. To conquer this abominable existence and put it to 'sword', along with it's creator. I used to despise my 'father' for sending me here, but every good lesson comes with a great price, and proper kingship needs to be earned. But yes, I would consider it a fair judgement by a honest God. It all depends on context though, not everyone is here for the same reason. However, just like in Faust, those who choose to 'love' this place, should remain here forever.
>Be careful what you wish for anon, you just might get it.
In the worst case scenario where I cannot leave due to my own choices (doubtful), I shall become Cerberus, the guardian of this hell. I'f I'm sentenced to hell, forever, I shall become the greatest of demons.
>and those that are corrupted so easily deserve their jewish masters or should I say 'master' singular?
Aye, my duty is to offer help, but only to the worthy. For the unworthy, it will only bring ruin. I also made the other post which you quoted, my ID changes all the time. Most Jews are golems distributing the mind of the same "god", they are vessels lacking self-consciousness. This is where all the ideas of "everyone being a reflection of the same, supreme God" comes from, as well as most of the other beliefs that the other guy is writing walls of text about, it's their truth. Not ours however.
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09b7db No.159916
>>159827
>Words or penis
No matter how gross that sounds, but you're getting close to understanding God's creative power is understood in different cultures exactly with those two. Sword of God's mouth and Shiva's Lingam are same, as well as "Heart of Dionysus" of Orpheus and Proclus. Its again high culture vs low culture issue.
>>159833
>Sun/Michael
Abaddon/Apollyon is not Michael (Aldebaran). Sun is sometimes considered underworld/hell itself. Its also the "big fish" that swallowed Johan for 3 days and 3 nights just like Inanna and then Johan waited for 40 days (another Venusian number) until Nineveh would be overthrown which God didn't do, and Johan got angry over it (yes, sometimes God scares people for repentance and change of ways instead of destroying them). Ssh'owl (pronounced sheh-ole'). or shol {sheh-ole'}, from which Johan cried, meant Hell, or Hades, which Inanna descended for same 3 days and 3 nights. People tend to take being in hell as in literal fish belly, but its obvious Johan had died when thrown overboard. The reason why i associate Sun with that fish is because Inanna's underworld journey is associated with transit of Venus through Sun. Abaddon is the reason why we imagine hell being a "fiery" pit, but its all perverted teaching, because Sun never "kills" Venus, just cleanses it. No Light God would shine Light upon everyone that would also be death. Cause death is darkness. Point was that Abaddon will pass one day.
>>159884
>He is the one responsible for this disaster, and he will be punished for it
>I would consider it a fair judgement by a honest God.
Well, entirety of Job Chapter 15, which is represented in N.T. as Matthew 25:24-26 seem to eventually hunt people down. If a person judges one hand of God, how can he expect fair judgement from another? One cannot receive fair judgement if he's own judgement is not fair.
There were some concerns of Iamblichus during the rise of christianity i want to mention in retrospect on all of this (from Theurgy and the Soul):
>For Iamblichus, the crisis of the fourth century had little to do with Christianity. As a Platonist he felt responsible to preserve humanity's contact with the gods, so his concern was not with Christians or with any other group that promised to replace the "old" order with a "new" one. As Plato put it, such purveyors of "new styles" could never corrupt the "sacred" traditions rooted in the cosmic gods (Laws 657b).
>Plato's taxonomy of the cosmos and society exemplifies what Jonathan Z. Smith has termed a "locative" view of existence. Quoting Cornelius Loew's outline of this worldview Smith describes the locative orientation as centered in five basic propositions:
>(1) there is a cosmic order that permeates every level of reality;
>(2) this cosmic order is the divine society of the gods (Angels of God/Hipostasies of God);
>(3) the structure and dynamics of this society can be discerned in the movements and patterned juxtapositions of the heavenly bodies;
>(4) human society should be a microcosm of the divine society;
>(5) the chief responsibility of priests and kings is to attune human order to the divine world.
>In a locative orientation, evil and the "demonic" arise only when something is "out of place"; in Plato's taxonomy, the demonic was relegated to the province of the inverted soul turned "upside-down" (anatrope) and alienated from the Whole.
I think worries of Iamblichus were vain, since all religious systems eventually attune to divine society anyway, just with different names attached. I saw that as a transformative phenomena in both christianity and buddhism. And reason for this is simply our fates being in hands of fates written in the stars, angelic hipostasies of Light God. They say in man's Golden Age humanity was ruled by a divine hierarchy that ensured the well-being of all, that hierarchy seems to eventually attune itself to how humanity sees it, because celestials do not reveal true nature of things unless absolutely necessary.
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641654 No.159921
>>158228
>Pictures show sirius binary theory
Some more info on this. July 4th (can vary by a day depending on leap year etc.) is Aphelion - the furthest distance from the Sun. (Hence why they chose this date to represent "independence" since every Platonic republic gets an "independence" mythos now, but that's another story).
In addition to this time of year being Aphelion, it is also the closest we get to Sirius - 14 degrees of Cancer.
Now that's a pretty big coincidence, for the alignment of our elliptic orbit just happens to be pulled in the direction of Sirius, for which there is a good case of a binary relationship.
It seems significantly possible that the direction of our elliptical orbit could be explained by the gravitational attraction of Sirius.
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7d1ae3 No.159931
You know, if we to believe that Mary is Venus, and Gabriel is Mercury, i want to announce that Jesus is Cupid/Eros, primal rational Love that is born from Wisdom and Love.
What's interesting about it, of what i know from Orpheus, that Phanes (primordial Light) is Protogonos equated with (the cosmic) Eros in Orphism. Who is also governor of everything, his metaphysical parents are brought from him. Bruno goes on cupid, just like anon mentioned in other thread >>157529 :
>omniform and multiform something, in which whatever you imagine in the shadowy light you see, whatever you are thinking about occurs, and it happens in the same place, just as from an egg on Zephyr's wings there issues forth a boy of miraculous beauty to God and people alike. He is followed by the image of the Sun, Earth, Moon, and other firstborn, as it were, gods. He holds three keys in his hand, one of steel, the second silver, the third gold.
Notice Orphic Hymn even mentions Eros ruling over Tartaros, the underworld itself:
>I call upon you, great, pure, lovely and sweet Eros, winged archer who runs swiftly on a path of fire, who plays together with gods and mortal men. Inventive, two-natured, you are master of all: of the sky’s ether, of the sea and the land, of the all-begetting winds, which for mortals the goddess of grass and grain nurtures, of all that lies in Tartaros, of all that lies in the roaring sea; you alone govern the course of all these. O blessed one, come to the initiates with pure thought, banish from them vile impulses.
In general sense all Gods are united in Orphism through equality of epithets (of which philosophers of greek version of Oneness came), but this part is crucial. Because i think Horus-child is also same metaphysical being.
Therefore triadic principle is Wisdom (Hermes), Love (Venus) and Light (Eros). If we return to Noah's ark, where Wisdom is accompanies with Strength and Beauty, we have same tripartite God, that is related to perseverance of Faith, Hope and Love. Strength in case of Ark meant Strength of temporal salvation from the flood, and not violence, so ultimately hope.
>>159921
In a Catholic tradition Saint Anne, "Grandmother" of Jesus would be Sirius, if Venus is child of Sirius according to Egyptian tradition. They even draw Anne's Halo entering Halo of Virgin, just like Vesica Piscis of the Sun/Sirius dance. There are some really interesting iconographies of this Saint, with awareness of astrology, as if one inside the other. One does need to know about Sopdet in the first place before drawing this conclusion though.
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0fcf06 No.159932
>>159916
The name Jonah/John was from the fish Oannes, and the Fish cult of the Goddess Nazi of Nina on the Persian gulf had translated to Istar of Nineveh, and from there to Arbela and from there to Arbela/Magdala in Galillee.
The cult of John and the various Mary's relocated to Ephesus were the cult of Atargatis-Artemis, and from there in legend supposedly to Artemis-Ephesia in Marseille.
https://ecommons.luc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3057&context=luc_diss
So for the better part of the ;last 2,000 years this cult was centred in France as Notre Dame, a cult of chivalry, beauty and refinement, generally thought of as the best values of Christendom, but last century it relocated to the detriment of La Belle Francais and Marseille is currently in a sorry state.
Thw Eglise de la Madaleine in Paris was a copy of the Temple of Artemis.
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0fcf06 No.159935
>>159884
Indifference and amusement is superior to hatred, but it's interesting how Christianity allegorized Sethian nature in the tradition of Saint Anthony of Egypt.
He lived in Lower/Red Egypt the Nile Delta region understood as rule by Seth, his totemic animal the Sethian swine, and had a lifetime of all manner of Demonic temptation whilst living as a hermit, eventually he meets up with Saint Paul of White upper Egypt as ruled by Horus, and they are fed by a Black bird of the Black land/Khemet, this making for the most intriguing subject matter of Christian art.
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7d1ae3 No.159936
>>159932
>Istar of Nineveh
One would wonder if jews rewrote Canaanite Astarte's prophet sayings into Adonai, when their rabbis decided to merge all their gods. Astrology of the jews are a wonder.
>>159679
Φωσφόρος is actually one of the titles of Artemis too. Hymn of Callimachus of Artemis reveals that word in phrase:
>give me to be Bringer of Light and give me to gird me in a tunic with embroidered border reaching to the knee, that I may slay wild beasts
I take Callimachus hymns most seriously because they revealed Apollo's pneuma as God's Spirit and influenced biblical depiction of Geist term.
Her full begging for Zeuses gifts was this:
>Give me to keep my maidenhood, Father, forever: and give me to be of many names, that Phoebus may not vie with me. And give me arrows and a bow – stay, Father, I ask thee not for quiver or for mighty bow: for me the Cyclopes will straightway fashion arrows and fashion for me a well-bent bow. But give me to be Bringer of Light and give me to gird me in a tunic with embroidered border reaching to the knee, that I may slay wild beasts. And give me sixty daughters of Oceanus for my choir – all nine years old, all maidens yet ungirdled; and give me for handmaidens twenty nymphs of Amnisus who shall tend well my buskins, and, when I shoot no more at lynx or stag, shall tend my swift hounds. And give to me all mountains; and for city, assign me any, even whatsoever thou wilt: for seldom is it that Artemis goes down to the town. On the mountains will I dwell and the cities of men I will visit only when women vexed by the sharp pang of childbirth call me to their aid even in the hour when I was born the Fates ordained that I should be their helper, forasmuch as my mother suffered no pain either when she gave me birth or when she carried me win her womb, but without travail put me from her body.
Out of all Gods this is first time i hear of Goddess asking to be forever Virigin. Lady of Maidenhood.
Orpheus calls her Titanic and Bacchic, as well as "torch-bearing Goddess bringing light to all", identifying with Moon and Hekate and appears in a list of alternate names for Persephone, which also include Torch-Bearer and Light-Bringer.
She is the statue of Liberty, isn't she? Always thought that statue was designed to catch certain celestial objects.
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0fcf06 No.159943
>>159936
The Marseille cult of Artemis was founded by Ionic Greeks from Anatolia, hence a sister Temple to Ephesus, and there Artemis was the eternal maiden and Mistress of Beasts .
Anyway the cult of Anatolian Artemis originates with Hattic Inara sister of the hunting God Telepinu, but her role as Mistress of beasts was to charm the creatures under her care to jump into the hunting bag of her brother as it were, a passive role rather than active huntress, and a tradition dating back to the Mesolithic period.
Artemis had a great cult at Brauron were her young adepts would dance around dressed as bears, a very gentle cult.
>Brauron, in the ancient times called Vrauron, situated on the east coast of Attica, was one of the oldest sacred-places in Greece, where the goddess of nature and the protector of fertility and childbirth, Artemis was worshipped.
>The present form of this sacred place exists from the 5th century BCE, when it was rebuilt above the earlier structures. The temple of the goddess Artemis, the shrine of Iphigenia located amongst the rocks, the Sacred House which was the residence of the priestess and a monumental propylon with the so called "Stoa of the Bears" were constructed at this period. According to some opinions part of this stoa (in the NW) was the residence for some children (5 - 10 years old girls), who served in the sanctuary.
>These small girls were called arktoi ("the bears"), commemorating the mythical story about the sacred female-bear of Artemis, killed by the brother of one of these girls, serving in the sanctuary. Due to this reason arktoi were also wearing the clothes of crocus color, to remember an appearance of this sacred animal. Finally, during the festivities in honor of the goddess Artemis, the young girls were performing the sacred dances disguised as bears.
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8e1012 No.159990
>>159884
>You remember what it's like being actually alive, you know damn too well that no one of divine nature would choose this existence over that one.
This is very true anon. I was told to come back here and I did but had it been my own choice, I would not have done so. At this point most of my time is spent thinking about going home again.
>don't forget that I'm hung 'upside down' when it comes to this universe.
Such a strange thing to say anon. This is so loaded with occult significance.
>I also made the other post which you quoted, my ID changes all the time.
Oh interesting. I wish your ID didn't change so often, it makes the thread chaotic but I understand.
>those who choose to 'love' this place, should remain here forever
I don't find it that easy to condemn love anon. I pity them but I just can't condemn them for grasping at any love they could seek out and win here.
>>159916
>One cannot receive fair judgement if his own judgement is not fair.
The purpose of all good judgments is healing of all wronged. So anything less that perfect healing is poor judgement. Judgment is the synthesis of mercy and severity to the point at which it is a perfected action called healing.
I am going to really have to think about the idea of order. I think humanity has been poisoned against order due to shitty horrific rulers that only generate chaos in their wake and never display any of the divine principles.
>>159921
I would love to hear more about this.
>>159931
>Gabriel is Mercury
I can't find any consistent source that will show which angels are assigned to which planets.
>>159935
Lol that whole story is crazy anon. It is like a fever dream. ;^)
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8e1012 No.160002
>>159932
>but last century it relocated
where did it relocate to anon?
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7fed29 No.160011
>>159990
>I can't find any consistent source that will show which angels are assigned to which planets.
Thanks for pointing that out, you're right to rise question on source, Gabriel indeed in Catholic tradition is linked with God-man, while in Astrological tradition with Formalhaut. They are all based on deciphering old testament in comparison to older religious astrology. I think Shekinah, Gabriel and Michael of all are the easiest to decipher. Shekinah by dates, generational revolutions and transit, Book of Hiram tells of those well >>156177 , Michael through association with Ninshubur and equality of His Light with Venus, but Gabriel from meaning. Especially New Testament Gabriel plays role of Hermes.
On Gabriel as Mercury my own source was this blogpost, together with book about Proclus of Constantinople ( >>152432 ):
https://mathisencorollary.blogspot.com/2015/01/the-angel-gabriel.html
https://archive.is/4BkDQ
On Four Royal Stars:
https://ascensionglossary.com/index.php/Four_Royal_Stars
https://archive.is/tzFYi
That said i am aware that if one system claims Gabriel being Hermes, it seems non-consistent with another source that claims Aldebaran as Michael, Regulus as Raphael, Antares as Uriel, and Fomalhaut as Gabriel. Now, i know in Egypt Sirius and whole winter triangle was associated with Venus. They seem to have nothing in common, yet united in singular message in the system of Sopdet worship ( >>158100 ). As if more distant star gave birth to closer celestial object. It wouldn't surprise me if Formalhaut had something to do with Mercury in same vein, or Gabriel's meaning in case of N.T. writers is misunderstood. Adonis in Adonis and Aphrodite tale is also from time to time known either as Sun, or in comparison to Babylonian Dumuzid as Mercury.
Now according to this:
https://www.constellationsofwords.com/stars/Fomalhaut.html
https://archive.is/oecVe
Formalhaut forms Alpha (α) Piscis Austrinus. And text comments:
>According to Ptolemy, it is of the nature of Venus and Mercury; and, to Alvidas, of Jupiter in square to Saturn from Pisces and Sagittarius. It is said to be very fortunate and powerful and yet to cause malevolence of sublime scope and character, and change from a material to a spiritual form of expression. Cardan stated that together with the stars rising with 12 Gemini it gives an immortal name.
>It has a Mercury-Venus character with a blending of Neptune influence. According to tradition, this star is of quite variable effect, either very good or very bad, depending on the overall cosmic structure. It is assumed, however, that the helpful influence is the greater one and if in conjunction with Mercury, it is said to stimulate mental capabilities and promise success as a writer or scientist. On the Ascendant and in good aspect, tradition has it that this star will make for 'fame' and a name 'remembered forever'. In conjunction with Venus, there will be advantages in artistic pursuits. A conjunction with Jupiter or on the MC will bring favor from dignitaries of the church. Tied up with either Sun or Moon, the influence of Fomalhaut is said to be quite marked.
Our problem is still not understanding that celestial intelligences are formed from contemplating their unity like Moon+Mercury or Sun+Venus, and so on. Same for Sirius-Venus and Formalhaut capturing both Mercury and Venus in Alpha Piscis Austrinus. Distant stars must be esoterically linked with our planets in vein of Sopdet cult, i don't think Venus is the only one linked this way. My conception of this is that every branch of celestial order must have a trunk.
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0fcf06 No.160015
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>>160002
The French connection relocated to the City of Angels, seemed like a good idea at the time, and it did sort of inspire Disney
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e9a66d No.160051
You know, talking about Angels again, there's third completely different system, probably where >>159833 confused Abaddon with Michael, according to it (although its load of made up bullshit, but it comes from actual practical occult lodge):
1200 BC to 897 BC Angel of Saturn named Cassiel Governed the Earth
897 BC to 588 BC Zachariel, Chief Agent of Jupiter
588 BC to 280 BC Samael, Angel of Mars
280 BC to 29 AD Michael, called "the Sun God" and "Shining Chief of Seven Intelligences" assumed power.
29 AD to 337 AD Anael, Angel of Venus and Love assumes power
377 AD to 646 AD Raphael, who lodge calls as actual Angel of Mercury Again it goes against "Four Royal Stars" system, but in this case different angel is in power
646 AD to AD 954 Gabriel, the Angel of the Moon becomes Supreme ruler.
And then cycle repeats:
954-1263 - Cassiel (Saturn)
1263-1572 - Zachariel (Jupiter)
1572-1880 - Samael (Mars)
Now from there on out Lodge has no data because text was written in 1881. They claim "Sun God" Michael assumed rulership up to 2188. What's important is that it fits Abaddon doing both of world wars we had, with all the nukes and communist holocausts. Combining the two systems, with the change of Sun to Abaddon - its Lunar Venusian Epoch for the jews, Solar Venusian Epoch for the genitles, and reign of the Abaddon. We're living in golden age for the jews, just like it was golden age for the jews 7 Venusian epochs, and 7 Angels ago, prior to war of the jews.
There are few "predictions" they made, just a few of those:
Reign of Michael (1880-2188):
>Human intellect will have full play and all Churches, Religious Creeds and Ecclesiastical Dogmas will fall to the ground and become things of the past. Parsons, Vicars and Bishops will have to work in different fields if they mean to obtain an honest livehood. Churchs and Chapels will fall with a terrible crash, but from their ashes, Phoenix-like shall arise a new Religion, whose shining Motto will be Veritas Excelsior, Truth Above. This era will proclaim the rights of man.
>Intellect and Reason will remove most of our Social disorders and women receive more attention in worldly affairs
>Startling discoveries in chemistry, electricity and all the physical sciences will be brought to light. Steam will be superseded by compressed air (gas), electro-magnetism (atomic power) as a motive power.
>time and space will be annihilated by new transportation and communication;
>Science and Religion will become blended, spiritual intercourse and aknowledged fact, and psychology the special study of the greatest Scientists of the day
Reign of Anael (2188-2497):
>Feminine period, women during Anael's reign will become man's just and lawful equals, socially and politically.
>Occultism will be taught in Universities, Astronomers will become Astrologers, and drugs for the treatment of disease be consigned to the limbo of oblivion, to keep company with the religious dogmas and scientific noodleisms of today.
I think they miscalculated the years on feminism. Anael/Haniel (name translates as "Grace of God" or "Joy of God") is an Archangel of "joy," "pleasure" by everyone associated with Venus, even by the jews. Its a first Angel i see directly being associated with a planet. But what's even more peculiar, Venusian connection makes him same person as Masonic idea of Shekinah. In Kabbala his Sefirot is Netzach (eternity). The angelic order of Netzach is the Elohim, of which Anael is the ruling Archangel.
Source Hermetic Brotherhood of Luxor: >>>/pdfs/13470
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a5a69b No.160108
>>158617
Saturn is the "father", Dionysus is the "son". Dionysus sows, Saturn reaps. One cannot exist without another. They are the polarity and the "unity of opposites here, not Dionysus and Apollo, the two faces of the same hypocritical god of lies, representing the false dichotomy of disintegration and meaninglessness. The actual god that the Jews worship, which explains the supposed "schism" between orthodox (Saturn) and liberal (Dionysus) Jews, while all are working towards the same goals nonetheless. And to describe those gods, I am going by their meta-characteristics and what they represent, not by what some retarded NPC's believed many centuries ago and what got "canonized" and (((interpreted))) by kikes and agentur of globohomo over countless centuries, only to be used as "reference" by subversive disinfo agents (or deluded fools at best) such as yourself, who only attack one hand of the world jewry while praising another in a typical Esau gambit.
Apollo, or the "holy spirit" is what gets imprisoned in this demiurgic pseudo-dialectic of a dying, two-faced mortal god ruling over the realm of death (this universe, Brahman, I'll explain this better later). Because he is the only one of actual essence/substance, of "non-convergent fullness" where individuation is possible (The pleroma which Gnostics referenced or the sacred Om/Aum of early, Aryan Vedas, not to be confused with (((oneness))) which is a later corruption introduced by Golens (proto-kikes) and their subversive networks). The realm of zero, Atman, transcendent numbers etc. Apollo is Lucifer, the most pure (brightest), but also the most individuated one, the son of smokeless fire, shadowless light (not to be confused with the false light of that universalist faggot moth lamp god of yours) and of supreme reason. Only through Him is true immortality possible for he knows what is unknowable to the rest (among other things), and only for those who are of the same nature/essence, for his 'light" (the light of the black sun) incinerates everyone of finite nature and appears as impenetrable darkness to them. The one who by his very nature transcends both (((Saturn))) and (((Dionysus))), which are actually One. But the real question is, who is for Apollo what Dionysus is for Saturn … That is the "fourth leg" (quarter) and the god ruling over it, which Judeo-Masonic, Akhenatean gatekeepers have cut in order to maintain the rule of their parasitic god. That missing function being the holy grail which we seek, the supreme Mystery, but also the key for Aryan Resurrection. The god of "white chaos" (anti-entropy). I would guess that this entity is one of the Titans. Actually, contemporary Apollo is not sufficient to fully describe what I wrote previously, I just used him as the best example from that mythology for comparison with Saturn/Chronos and Dionysus. A totality between Apollo and his corresponding Titan would be more adequate, but perhaps not even that would suffice. Many gods did not reveal themselves to "humanity" so far.
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a5a69b No.160114
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>>160108
>Only for a time being Death
This world is weaved entirely of death, with the exception of those of the same essence like "Apollo".
>1 becomes 0 on next turning of the wheel
It doesn't. Finite numbers never become infinite in a turning (that's why it's a cycle (kikel :>) ) in the first place, they converge and terminate into one). Zero doesn't need any cycles, only one does. But yes, those who are not of zero get totally annihilated by it (they get shattered by increasingly powerful centrifugal force that nothing of finite generation can withstand, not even if it harnessed the power of the entire physical universe, potentially making it much more dangerous for them than centripetally dissolving into One, for One is sure to generate them anew as soulless phantoms/breaths/copies at least). This is why NPC's/hyletics and psychics were unable to tell the difference between the two types of "chaos" and "outer light/darkness" and which you keep conflating on purpose in order to muddy the waters and ensure that no one escapes your (((god))). It is, however, the most dangerous choice compared to the illusion of safety that becoming a part of "god's harem" brings, but isn't it precisely how Jews rule over "humanity"? Almost everyone chooses their Talmudic "light" (order) over the danger that the alternatives may bring. They choose slavery over venturing into the "outer darkness" , the safety of the egg over genuine individuality and transcendence. But those who prostitute themselves to the dead gods shall be buried alongside them.
>Generated by Venus that promotes Lust and Love equally
Lust would be Venus + Saturn.
>but with murder, decay, gluttony, hunger, envy, thievery and money
And guess what is the main motive behind all of those :>) Venus
>because its a transitional world
According to your own logic, the closer to whatever god you may be, the more rigid and less transitional would you become.
>always end up on the other side of the battle
Not if they choose the right side and stop falling for false dichotomies. Your entire narrative so far has been based on the following premise: So many lower people were wrong in their beliefs throughout so many cultures and centuries, that means that their common mistakes (which arose from them basing their entire worldview on what they could see and not on higher reason) are the ultimate truth. I am just using certain references to try to impart higher knowledge, not using them in anthropological context, so you'll pardon my occasional lack of accuracy.
>>158658
>I noticed many attributes of Orphic Gods simply merge into one another through similarities of epithets
I'd advise you not to get too lost into that. Those gods were mere programs for achieving certain understanding, some have corrupted those due to being of lower nature and due to ignorance, some have corrupted them intentionally. The similarities which you find might be the very seeds of corruption that were strategically planted in all philosophies and religions.
>Unity in primal aspect of Light
You are looking at the false light then
>Not I but the world says it: All is one.
I'd interpret this very differently :>)
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892e40 No.160159
>>160108
>>160114
Your attempt to separate Dionysus from Apollo doesn't work because they literally shared a same shrine at Delphi together. You don't really need Dionysus to explain second wolfish nature of the Sun God. His "Night" aspect implied nocturnal nature ("As he moved, he went like the night."). And why in Illiad his bow is silver, like Moon, and not golden. Because all those planets and moon shine sunlight. They are all under Re's jurisdiction. You're never in the darkness when Night of the frenzy comes. Nor a wolf ever stopped coming in sheep's clothes. Nor lamb ever stopped being a Lion.
>who only attack one hand of the world jewry while praising another in a typical Esau gambit.
Now that's something else entirely. I think jews poisoned themselves with delusion that their entire race is special. But they are subject to same generation just like everyone else, divine soul birth within participated level of light, lower or higher, or spirit-less human filler. And they delude themselves they are all equal family when they are not, just like we aren't. All religions in the world, including judaism, exist to control the filler, make filler believe its alive, hence christianity was a mob, and not exclusive religion of blessed initiates like Orphism, even though according to scriptures themselves whose of flesh is flesh. And religions second nature is to keep those with light of God in them down, least they become active. This keeps balance between "NPCs and Players" as you call them, and doesn't cause global catastrophe of mass awakening to inferiority of spiritual participation, as well as predetermined roles.
>the light of the black sun
Sol Negro is object of questionable worship. If associated with Dionysus as Night it makes sense within dual nature as well as death and rebirth. What i am afraid is that its actually Saturnalian outer darkness and false night. Night is Light, but there's "night", that's darker than black, which is what i associate with true definition of eliminationalist death of finite and mortal, dust to dust. I dare question agenda of Hitlerist esoterics because their acceleration accelerated germany into oblivion. Because if they wanted victory they would had went under a star, not under symbols all related to upcoming death. If plan was to abuse "resurrection" aspect and actually destroy germany in order to get it reborn, then somebody prepares the return part of the play, which what you call "key for Aryan Resurrection", while downplaying Dionysian nature which even Jung associated with Hitler's Germany, as if rebellion of "blond beast".
>that no one escapes your (((god)))
Right esoteric Luciferanism that you yourself admit through Apollo would imply right images and symbols to not embed suicidal tendencies into your race like last time.
>And guess what is the main motive behind all of those :>) Venus
Read "On the Composition of Images, Signs and Ideas" >>>/pdfs/13481
There's also whole unexplored topic of Anubis being in charge of weighting life with a feather of Ma'at as well as holding the doors to Duat, popular Dog-headed character that i always ignored in egyptian lore. Because he's considered being conflated with Sopdet, since his constellation is formed near Sirius.
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aa730c No.160219
Ok. I'm nowhere close to operating on the level that you fucks are, but I do enjoy these threads. However, can I just get a quick rundown explained in simple terms just what the hell you are talking about. Generalize all of this into one simple post if you can?
If not, all good. Can someone elaborate more in the necromancy bits? The spirits and mummies and the Templars with Mary Magdalene? Can we contact the spirit of Uncle Adolf?
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6b8535 No.160226
>>160011
I am enjoying the Hiram book anon. Are pure blooded Masons the Elohim of this world? I recognize your underlining in the texts. Thank you for uploading this. I knew the second I stepped in Newgrange that you all built the pyramids. I am bummed I missed Rosslyn chapel on my way to Edinburgh last time. It is after all, the site of the ‘great treasure’ you are trying to build on Earth. I doubt I would have been in the right mindset to appreciate it at the time since I was tired from driving from Wales. I can’t believe that I missed the opportunity to see it…even if the St Clairs are involved with its construction. Do you summon Venus to this planet so that divine offspring can be born of it or am I missing something? If this is the case, and I am not misunderstanding the situation, do the Angels decide among themselves using astrology who will sire the next divine offspring or it is more fluid than that? I haven’t finished the book so I might be jumping the shark on some of these ideas. However, I can see your footprints all over the world and since the pyramids are an homage to Mars/Sammael I can’t help but wonder who is being served here. I wonder about the number of the dead who have not been collected by Sammael (Moses, Enoch, Christ, etc) and if Earth is simply the Tan’iniver, earth women specifically that generates the power here. All things to think about. Please correct me if I have misunderstood the situation. I can’t wait until I get to the part of the book that explains Christs betrayal…when I was in Glastonbury at the Tor it was interesting to walk the same ground that he walked as a young man, while living and learning as part of the Arimathean household. Was he Druid then? Or trained as a Druid? As an ‘ex-architect’ the Masons have always riveted my attention tho I knew I would never ‘be accepted’ by them.
>yet again to be a rejected ‘stone’
How fascinating. Lol
I can’t help but ponder the thought of a divine child that was Eros occupying the planet. You know anon, Love is not always gentile. If it is true love it can be most brutal and efficient at times for love is weighed out according to ‘need’ I suppose. Love kills as quickly as it preserves. And it is not the sickly sweet slop that is portrayed currently by humanity as ‘love’.
>>160114
I understand what you are saying anon. The whole system is One. To unite with all or part is to unite with Death. You would think that I would understand what to do/think about this but I really don’t at this point. Back to the books to learn. :)
I would like to thank everyone in this thread for their contributions and the opportunity to learn.
>>160219
This might not be as hard to do as you think anon. Are you or do you happen to have a heavily pregnant German female who is ready to receive the spirit of Uncle Adolf?
>no?
Get busy anon….
Just teasing, anon. There is more to it than that of course. I can’t help but wonder if the Tanin’iver‘s product is influenced by the DNA of the female donor and to what extent? Given the niggers current obsession with ‘muh kangz’ could you use a nigger as Tanin’iver (thinking back to Cardi B, personal volunteerism in WAP)? What sort of demonic terror would be incurred from using nigger DNA I wonder…hmmm something to think about.
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6b8535 No.160231
For posterity’s sake and for fun.
:^)
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2e5882 No.160237
>>160219
>quick rundown
Anon finds out jews used to worship Seth, and everything descends into autistic research.
>Can we contact the spirit of Uncle Adolf?
I feel like i am going to ruin the thread with this, but no matter if a person can or cannot contact the dead, we can't because he killed himself.
Violent withdrawal from a body makes departure with the bodily passions, and deprives of the possibility of moral progress. In my theory chaotic cloud of the soul prior to being formed appropriately in this world, if violently withdrawn by its own will falls into oblivion, same with aborted fetuses because they are tied to their mother and not yet formed as human beings. At least when somebody killed you in action a God and your Daimon knows to expect your death by weapon, Valhalla is legitimate, all Gods honor those slayed by Ares, but suicide is the most painful for the soul. It will leave unnecessary inharmonious and incapable for ascension. Now if he was instead tortured by commies he would end up being a martyr instead, having greater esoterical power in memory of people alone.
In case of my "necromancy" post you're referring to (and anon rightfully specified its just speaking with the dead, since ka leaves the body) i specifically said i've been merely "contemplating" it, in my comparison of egyptian magic and study on catholic saint cult, i don't want to reveal what i think of it, nor i want to dwell into it deeper, for the reason i honestly believe Heraclitus that "The dead body is useless even as manure". I uploaded book related to Magdalene where some connections with Osiris duat tradition were pointed out here: >>157931
Worship of dead humans is pointless to me where my mind right now lies. Even if the dead are remembered in stars and become angels and become guardians of living and the dead, according to same Heraclitus, they can no longer be called mere humans, but more akin to other heavenly supre-celestial Intelligences as neoplatonic description of "heroes" (that word had more meaning than it has now), even if they receive such honors.
>>160226
>Are pure blooded Masons the Elohim of this world?
Only some people are connected to who they call Shekinah and participate in orbit of Venus. If mystical jewish teaching to be believed that that Haniel (Grace of God) as ruling Archangel of Elohim order, who may as well be the Heart of Cosmic Soul of Proclean philosophy. So no, its Spirit, not blood that matters. Zechariah 4:6 "Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the Lord of hosts". Those are all reasons why Hitler wanted "Aryan Yahweh", Deus Optimus Maximus to replace jewish religion >>148225
And to remind you that Iamblichus in his De Mysteries ( >>>/pdfs/13414 ) was right to point out that Intelligences are supra-celestial, and its only humans who assume anything is connected to the stars, for their inferiority understanding as stepping stone they were worshiping "visible gods", but i understand they are not tied to them. Stars and planets are visible shapes of invisible incorporeal reason-principles, that imitate their identity by their eternal movements. To continue with the direct quote: "gods of heaven are beings homogeneous in all respects, entirely united among themselves, uniform and non-composite; those among them who are superior are always uniformly dominant, while the inferior are dependent upon the rule of those prior to them, and yet never drag this power down to their own level; and so the totality of them is brought together into a single system and into a single perfection".
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0db14e No.160260
>>160237
Anon, I know a Templar that this ritual transfer of spirit was done to in the necromancy ceremony. He honestly believes that he is his prior incarnation. Do you think he actually is his prior incarnation or something new? Also, isn’t the whole purpose of religion (given what has been postulated about the necromancy ceremony) facilitating the ‘birth’ or necromancy ceremony into regular human beings? Just on a lesser scale?
BTW this is the most fun I have had in a year. I absolutely adore this type of learning even if I am not ‘one of your elect’.
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70409e No.160265
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8e1012 No.160271
>>160237
>Violent withdrawal from a body makes departure with the bodily passions, and deprives of the possibility of moral progress
Does this have any effect on offspring to your knowledge? Say in the case of the Lebensraum? If someones mother was impregnated with his sperm after he was dead would that lack of development in moral progress carry over to the offspring? Asking for a friend.
Or is this a spirit vs blood issue again making that irrelevant.
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8e1012 No.160283
>>160015
Well at least now I understand what happened to LA.
It got a dose of 'love' injected into it.
Disney was the worst thing that ever happened to White children. He basically indoctrinated them to pedophilia (because who would thing that teaching 5 year old girls to have romantic relations with grown men and romance with literal beasts was 'wrong' in any way). I am vehemently anti-Disney for all children.
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9e961e No.160289
>>160260
>He honestly believes that he is his prior incarnation. Do you think he actually is his prior incarnation or something new?
"The only me is me. Are you sure the only you is you?" t. Kojima.
You know, i am aware of few things, first erasure of memory is the worst thing that can happen to human being, its equal to death, our humanity by itself is expanding, producing more and more souls, there just no place for reincarnation knowing there'd be no trace of it for majority. But that human reproduction strained by limited number of allotted Angels (Fated guardians/platonic Daimons). According to my view on Golden and Silver races from Hesiod, one gone to become guardians of humanity, other race gone to wander the earth as lesser spirits. If a person is daemonless (unprotected by a guardian angel), he can be in fact possessed not just by "lower genus", as in lesser protective guiding daemon of lower fate, which is still allotted participation in light, but by all sorts of random "winds" in the world. And majority of them are ancient and more intelligent than us, but rather not curious and stable in character (unlike human who is more drunk and chaotic inside, probably because of either material corruption, unformed spirit that's developing while alive or fruit of good and evil produced dualist thinking).
I imagine it would easy to ensoul another human being with some lesser spirit through mock ritual and make him larp as some ancient person. But that's not the departed person, if they would be able to return here they would already be on level with guardian angels. The lesser spirit just mocks human possessed for his own amusement.
Higher hierarchies of chaos like who i call Seth may be so intelligent, they can larp as other Intelligences, which was mentioned in the bible (2 Corinthians 11:14), and Hermes in one greek tale shapeshifted into Phanes, primordial God of Orpheic religion himself to fool Hera in order to hide Dionysos (Nonnus, Dionysiaca 9. 136 ff), since its the most obvious realization you can make about angelic order (but intellectual trap of that realization can go both ways, considering what's orderly - malevolent, like protestants did).
That said, its jews who invented the supposed "fall", babylonians never had it, their underworld demons just always used to be, and egyptians still worshiped Seth occasionally even after "demonizing" him and making Horus fight him. Because even thieves and servants of death have their nature and order to fulfill. So even what we see as disorderly or "malevolent" is not going to disappear anywhere anytime soon, at least not outside of kingdom of Light, where heavenly order doesn't allow any darkness, or where simply daemons of lowest or opposite order don't go.
So yeah, nobody cancelled out that another intelligence is a mock of another spirit (and in all honesty that's what jesus is for majority). You cannot tell who is actually possesses you unless they themselves give you a sign. But seeing anything at all is a privilege, privilege that puts one on the line of total loyalty or self-destruction.
>>160271
Souls emanate not from their parents, they emanate from God, otherwise whole "born from above" would never be a thing. As far as body capacity goes, whole generation of ancestors in sperm counts, who are all dead, not just a person who produced the sperm.
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0fcf06 No.160294
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>>160283
Well yes it's a strange story, Artemis-Ephesia and Artesia California, the deep well.
It's not so much that she's the problem so much as what is attracted to her, every religious cult known to man and Demon descended on the place, the Jews created the Dream industry, everyone became a hippy, witch or curious beast and it wasn't like she had to do anything except be herself, s deeply passive role in the same manner as a Black Hole, the traditional role of the alluring enchantress.
Of course she's /ourgirl but it's not always easy to figure out how, she doesn't really do reason, and it will require an equal and opposite force to create balance, this makes for an interesting current conflict.
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8e1012 No.160322
>>160289
>there just no place for reincarnation knowing there'd be no trace of it for majority
That is interesting. Yes the soul comes from God. Personally I see no reason why the soul measure would deviate from the physical aspect of reproductive divergence.
I am more of the belief that, only due to personal experience meeting 'fragments' irl, that each generation souls are fragmented into the next generations offspring resulting in people with almost no soul at all as number increase to today's outrageous 7.5 billion or so bodies.
This is why the jews, 'authentic jews' tightly control their population (less than .1% of global population), adopt non-jews and raise them as jews, practice infanticide of their legitimate offspring, have sexual relations with one particular patriarch rather than their husband (cuckoldry) or become homosexual to allow the hierarchical 'authentic jews' to exercise power for their national benefit.
This makes a more powerful 'soul lineage' when there are very few ancestors and offspring to share the original soul seed with those in power.
This is one of the reasons that Europeans became so powerful/creative globally (lower population means higher soul capacity) and why while we are being genocided (thus far) until our lineages accrete power again (God forbid people race mix their way out of this power even among European tribes which would then spread the soul among even more relations rather than accruing power with a few). Example mixing with one of the bug people would basically wipe out all hope of soul in your offspring (Kalergi plan).
Honestly who would even feel bad about snuffing out something with the soul of the bug people (could that even be considered a sin)? Doubt it, there is nothing there because the population is so diversified in terms of soul.
Certain lineages would grow in power and strength as they have fewer and fewer bodies/offspring to share the soul power (naturally this would exclude large clan families, as well as races that tend to large clan families [essentially worker bees] which have to share a lot of soul power between them).
This is why (among other reasons) race mixing with niggers is so 'in vogue' among the parasitic class for Whites, because their 'souls' are basically non existent due to population size (Billions) and extended relations, and the power of the race will be totally destroyed and sapped. With the loss of soul power comes the total loss of actual power, reasoning, intellect, logic, creativity (of the demon) as well. Too many mouths to feed, so to speak.
Whites are less than 4% (total) of global population which gives us great power in terms of control and creativity compared to subhumans, with purebred Whites becoming even more rare due to inner tribal mongrelization even among Europeans. Before the semitic faith's incursion on European soil ritual murder of the infants was a matriarchs prerogative at birth in ancient days and worked to carefully selectively refine the soul concentration and power, creativity and reasoning of the tribe. This is also the reason why so many of our 'midwives' were murdered as 'witches' to dilute the soul lineage of the races of Europe.
In theory this narrowing of the shared soul should act as a root of power, this should give us even more will and concentrated soul force in the long run as long as some obsolete family branches can keep concentrating that same power down. What Whites don't have is a willing mass of tribal people that will allow themselves to be wielded by one of these White Powers…all our current leadership is more mongrelized with the jews so they are not White or powerful at all but rather work against our interests as mongrels.
I would bet you if you looked at people making a significant contribution to any aspect of society you would find that the majority of them were from isolated and still powerful soul lineages with very few living ancestors (this might be true regardless of surname because not all surnames are from shared family branches since many are place names rather than specific to genetic strain).
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8e1012 No.160323
>>160294
>she's /ourgirl but it's not always easy to figure out how, she doesn't really do reason
:^) Do any women do 'reason'? Jk Lol…that is a beautiful song anon. I would think that reason would be slightly boring in a woman, like a mouthful of sawdust; a detraction rather than something desired. I was born not far from there but I have never been to Artesia and I doubt (unless things change dramatically aka become White again) that I will ever go to visit it. Why do you believe it was relocated into Artesia? I looked all over the whole town (google) and saw no temple or monument to anyone that would make me believe she was located or had relocated there. Nothing on the scale of Notre Dame or even on the scale of something like the Parthenon in Nashville, which is a bit clunky in terms of the beauty of the Temple of Artemis in France which is very elegant in form by comparison.
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823488 No.160335
>>160159
>God is both moralist and liberalist
One does not exclude another, you can be the most liberal being in existence and simultaneously be the most "moral" because its your choice. Or you can be the most immoral slave. Not that "God" exists in the fist place (I have debunked this idea in previous thread) or that universal morality exists.
>physical love is continuation of mutual intimacy caused by kindred spirits
I guess porn actresses in gang-bangs are having some intimacy with kindred spirits :>) There is no such thing as physical love, physical love is hormones and other chemistry needed to ensure physical reproduction, but which people also abuse like any other drug. It's a mechanistic copy of actual love and belongs entirely to the word of death. But I don't blame you, people who have actually experienced real, immortal love were always extremely rare, animal-men will always associate it with sex, procreation and other physical matters for they know nothing else, and it's most likely unknowable to them.
>No one would exist without Light
How did light sprung from darkness then?
>no soul would get born without Love
Souls which get "born" are also souls which die. The phantoms which get produced by finite generation and eventually dissipate into the sea of total equilibrium (flat signal). This is the "harem" of your false god, but also the universal "love" of total equalization which your kind seeks so much. They go no further. They only pop back into existence as a random (or targeted) form of life once something from the 'other side' excites the field to generate a projection. Immortal souls have forever existed and are self-caused. Another concept that beastmen have great difficulties grasping.
>your body wouldn't exist without Sex
Tell that to the vat babies ;) Or any other organism in the universe that utilizes other forms of reproduction and material generation. The only reason why organic bodies of certain races are of different quality to artificial ones is because sexual reproduction (the original sin) has captured the divine essence of immortals in a sort of alchemical transmutation and contains their "divine data" . Artificial bodies don't possess such 'hidden variables' and will never be able to due to limitations of their generative technology, no matter how advanced it gets. The only exceptions being targeted possessions (individual or collective) of such bodies by divine beings (gods and devils alike), but that's a sort of technology that you won't read anything about in your all too contemporary sources ;) Or how Jesus actually "resurrected" and 'appeared' to his little gang.
>then how come you live, instead of being dead?
I was born in the world of death, therefore I will also have to die (my body and portion of my ego at least). Real gods are sacrificed by physical birth, not physical death. If I wasn't born, I wouldn't have to die. And how much is one actually "alive" in this world is rather questionable.
>Hence its not saturn who is praised under contemporary counter culture
He is the one who rules all planets (with the exception of Venus and potentially the Sun, but those two are in symbiosis with him as well). You praise him no matter what you do. Look how much decay the "hippie generation" has caused or how much ruin to Egypt did the religion of the "sun disc" bring. You'll need much more than Inanna or Shamash to defeat him. In fact, they could be his covert, rather than overt servants. A controlled opposition if you wish.
>swinging pendulum of human rationality
Rationality doesn't swing
>as soon as it gets tired of one thing, and becomes obsessed with another?
Only those who lack proper integration and fail to transcend those polarities (no, not by being in the 'middle'). It's also highly hypocritical. There is the whore, and there is the saint. Whores belong to the world of whores, saints belong to the world of saints. You might interact with both to a certain degree, but it will never be the same.
>to ignore that all divine activities is sex with God in the mind
We are reaching coomer levels that shouldn't even be possible kek
>it breaks the world apart to gets Her hands everywhere.
There is some truth in this.
>Just because opposites are the same doesn't mean God is void.
That's precisely what it means, it's basic logic.
>War, Sex, Peace, Virginity, all in domain of the Same, because extreme levels of all of them are equals
Just because certain things without a proper balance horseshoe into another doesn't mean that all is same. This idea of "sameness" is what ruined pretty much every civilization in history and allowed kikes to feast on it's corpse. There is only sameness in absolute death, which your universalist "god" is ruling over.
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823488 No.160341
>>160219
>can I just get a quick rundown explained in simple terms
We began analyzing Jewish influence and beliefs throughout the centuries and it eventually turned into metaphysical discussion, although the guy who posts most content in these threads is just rehearsing some plebe-tier theories taught by kosher societies like Rosicrucians and keeps quoting mediocre philosophers and (((academics))) like a good goy that he is, but he posts a lot of interesting, even if not too useful information (well, depending for whom, you'll probably find it fascinating) and has at least some good theories while occasionally dropping a redpill or two, despite most of the content being just a red herring. It was a red herring historically, not just for the purpose of these threads, which is something that he may, or may not be aware of. I'm trying to provide the actual 'code' from the higher domain, even though it might end up as larp occasionally due to invocation/recollection and may be affected by my ego at times, but ego is of fundamental importance too.
>Can we contact the spirit of Uncle Adolf?
Depends which portion of his spirit are you referring to, for he was a multi-layered being. It's the spirit which possessed him that we ought to be contacting, not him as a mortal, or even his individuated, immortal higher spirit/selbst/geist, which would (normally) only come on its own accord, probably when the time and circumstances are right. You can potentially get access to etheric records of his existence and learn from it, but it will not be him, just the limited reflection of his existence. Short answer would be: you won't contact him, he will contact you as needed, but this can be facilitated by certain actions, thoughts and behavior.
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d0f695 No.160364
>>160322
>adopt non-jews and raise them as jews
Actually, its an older practice when we weren't in conflict with the jews yet, both jews and natsocs will never talk about this, but there was huge cultural exchange between Israel and Rome before birth of christianity (it wouldn't even exist without it). Antisemitism was result of devoted christians rejecting jewish traditions from conflict in faith and fact of war. Epictetus gave account that somebody was converting non-jews to jews massively before Rome started to wage war with Israel. It was open to gentiles to join jewish religion, hebrews probably won't talk about it either:
>For example, whenever we see a man halting between two faiths, we are in the habit of saying, “He is not a Jew, he is only acting the part.” But when he adopts the attitude of mind of the man who has been baptized and has made his choice, then he both is a Jew in fact and is also called one. So we also are counterfeit “baptists,” ostensibly Jews, but in reality something else, not in sympathy with our own reason, far from applying the principles which we profess, yet priding ourselves upon them as being men who know them.
From where those kinds of sayings of Epictetus are coming from? He clearly states some were spiritually jews, as a "habit of saying". Claudius was also big friend of the jews, and Rome used to be swaying between being extremely pro-jewish to being extremely antisemitic like a pendulum. According to the books "Aphrodite and the rabbis" >>138489 jews used to immensely invest themselves in Hellenic philosophy, especially stoic one, they still build their synagogues in Roman style instead of making appropriate Solomon temples (hence you don't actually see them being common).
I am even aware that all jewish hostility towards jesus in the bible was redacted to elevate its significance. It is provable because of multiple editions of fourth gospel >>/pdfs/13257
>In the second edition, the religious authorities exhibit an intense level of hostility toward jesus throughout his ministry, rather than the increasing hostility found in the first edition.
Many things between christians and jews are the result of expulsion of christians from jewish Synagogues. But i must remind you that according to Hegel Gnosticism arose among Christians, but especially among such Christians that were Hellenistic Jews and who also shared Platonic concepts (so those early "sethian gnostics" were probably majority jewish).
So all insanity is the cause of merge of Hellenic and Jewish thought in a world that was in conflict between both. Jews getting inspired by Hellenic thought get expelled from their own Synagogues and go to gentiles like weeaboos into japan, and gentiles drawn to jewish thought listen to them. Our religion became jewish, their religion more Hellenic than it used to be.
On Sethian jews (from Sethian gnosticism and the Platonic tradition book by John Douglas Turner):
>The background of this Sethian mythology is widely acknowledged to be Jewish. A recent and comprehensive attempt to demonstrate this has been offered by G. Stroumsa in his work Another Seed: Studies in Gnostic Mythology: He points out that while Jewish monotheistic theologians occupied themselves with the question of the existence of evil in a good world created by a good God, Jewish Gnostic theologians sought an explanation for the existence of salvation in an evil world created by an evil god. At the root of both Jewish and Gnostic attempts to deal with this question in their separate ways were the two most prominent biblical myths that dealt with the origin of evil as a “fall” from an originally good state. These myths were 1) the story of the fall of Adam and Eve in Genesis 2-4, and 2) the story of the fall of the angels from heaven and their subsequent intercourse with the daughters of men from Genesis. Within both Judaism and Gnosticism, the origin of evil was linked with sexual sins, which in turn were linked with the activity of Satan. While Judaism used the first myth to account for the rise of evil as an episode within human history, Gnostic exegetes understood the fall as concomitant with the origin of creation itself by attributing the responsibility for Adam and Eve’s sin to the creator himself as the initiator of Adam’s desire to cohabit with Eve. While Jewish traditions could portray Cain as the son of the serpentine satanic seducer of Eve, Gnostic exegetes demonized the creator himself by identifying him as the one who seduced Eve to produce Cain and his descendants. From this, Jewish Gnostics concluded that there were two races, the pure and undefiled seed of Seth, which avoids sexual intercourse, and the children of Cain, given over to lust, sin, evil and damnation.
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d0f695 No.160373
>>160335
Hate of sex is Sethian, anon. Not preserving virginity, but hate of idea of sexual intercourse. Because literally everything in Sethian Jewish theology is linked to "sexual sins". They literally believe that human women led to humanity’s sexual enslavement.
>As G. Stroumsa has shown, the Sethian account of the persistence of evil people who persecute the pure seed of Seth is further explained by the myth of the intercourse of the sons of God with the daughters of men in Gen 6:1-4. According to 1 Enoch, these sons of God are the “watchers” who sire a race of homicidal giants, and are then sent down to the Abyss. In subsequent Jewish exegesis, these underworld watchers become devils like Azazel or Shemihazah who sexually tempt the pure race of Seth to engage in polluted intercourse with the corrupt offspring of Cain. Other Sethian traditions, however, such as that behind the account in Josephus, Antiquities 1.2.3, allow the opposite kind of identification, namely one between the watchers or sons of God in Gen 6:1-4 and the pure seed of Seth who bore the image of God, and to whom was revealed the (beneficial) knowledge of ultimate cosmic secrets.
>Given the dilemma of Seth’s human progeny, existing since primordial times as a persecuted but pure strain of Seth’s seed, living among, but apart from the corrupt descendants of the cursed Cain or perhaps of other Sethites devoted to the creator God, it would be natural to develop a hope or belief in the eventual salvation of this race, consisting in its extrication from such people who constantly tempted the true Sethites to procreatively mingle with their own race, and thus lose their awareness of their special ancestry. Such extrication would of course be a dramatic, apocalyptically-conceived act, in which the remaining pure Sethites would be reunited with their primordially enlightened counterparts now existing in the aeons above, perhaps even raptured into the third or fourth of the Sethian Luminaries in close proximity to their ultimate ancestor, Seth.
>The movement downward is a devolution from the original simplicity of the divine acme, moving away stage by stage from primal perfection, unity, and integration towards realms increasingly characterized by multiplicity, deficiency, separateness, distance and alienation from the divine source. In the gnostic myths, the sequence of the unfolding of the higher to the lower world proceeds in terms of dramatic episodes, personified aeonic beings, sexual procreation, and the praising of the parent by the offspring.
>Cursing the very earth he made, Yaldabaoth expels the enlightened couple from the Garden. But as enlightened beings they are still superior to their creator, so Yaldabaoth comes up with yet another scheme to nullify their newly gained intelligence: implanting the humans with the desire for sexual intercourse. Yaldabaoth himself sets the example by seducing the earthly Eve, begetting two subhuman powers, Cain and Abel, who will procreate future generations that will be subjected to his control by the heavy chain of fate and the compulsion to procreate themselves by sexual intercourse. Unfortunately, Yaldabaoth rapes only an earthy simulacrum of Eve, whose spiritual power the Mother removed in the nick of time, while it is the now enlightened Adam that goes on to know" the true Eve, who bears their child Seth, who like Adam possesses the human image of God, and is destined to father the “seed of Seth", a race of human beings who will likewise bear the image of the true God.
>From this, Jewish Gnostics concluded that there were two races, the pure and undefiled seed of Seth, which avoids sexual intercourse, and the children of Cain, given over to lust, sin, evil and damnation. These two races must not intermingle. During the history of the world, the malicious creator Archon tries to oppress and destroy the seed of Seth by the flood, the conflagration of Sodom, and finally at the end of the world, but all three times Seth manages to save his righteous seed. The Gnostics knew themselves to be the “other seed,” the progeny of Seth, who was born to Adam and Eve after she had successfully escaped the lustful attacks of the ignorant creator. By the use of the second myth, Satan’s adulterous relations with Eve were highlighted by the Gnostics into a prime example of mixis, the illicit blending of two essentially separate kinds of beings through the union between mortal women and the angels descended from heaven, which resulted in the birth of giants and the sending of the flood. For the Gnostics, the leader of these angels was no longer Satan or other angelic figures as in Jewish tradition, but the creator himself, Yaldabaoth, Sakla or Samael.
One serpent heals and gives life, other poisons and causes death. Mystery of both is answer to the problems of the living.
Sethians are not the ones of the Healer.
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0fcf06 No.160375
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>>160323
There is also the sensible one but not so pretty, that was the archetype of Mary and Martha of Bethany, in terms of deep wells and emergent springs Allani and Ishara of Hatti land, were Inara is Allani manifest within nature.
Art(temis-Eph)isia is and was just a gateway city, leading to the projection of the Holy Wood, the deeper understanding of glamour and the generation of narrative, were the Piscean Goddess Nazi finds herself on the furthest shores of the West in need of the Aries white knight, save her and save the world is the plot.
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73e957 No.160384
I have few thoughts i want to wrap up:
(A) God is Light and sum of All Stars. God is uniform singular hivemind made of many Intelligences, all of which function together in harmony, represented by visible movements of invisible reason-principles, but all participating in the same Tree of Light, connected through each other. Sometimes God leads humanity through one reason-principle, sometimes gives government to another. Each country, each race and each organization and political movement have their own attributed reason-principles. Those reason-principles get allotted to "living" part of humanity with fated destiny. Destiny itself is God, cause each of the reason-principles is God.
(B) Reason-principles are incorporeal Spirits of Light following Order of Heavenly Mandate, they govern whole humanity each according to vision of perfect society by a Whole, since the beginning of time. Themselves perfect in themselves akin to movement of the stars, they revolve around their allotted sphere of Intellect and do not overstep boundaries of attributed Intellectual vision, bounded to parts of humanity that gets attuned souls to those reason-principles. Sometimes reason-principles are called Angels, Buddhas, Saints, Gods, but regardless of what Logos is attributed to any particular reason-principle, the Intellectual point remains the same.
(C) All reason-principles unlike humanity are non-dual. All of them without exception have both male and female spiral of opposite existences, opposites meet and join together, forming each Intelligence. Lucifer who we represent by Venus known as both reason-principle of Lust and Love because of unity of both aspects. Reason-principles that give people wealth are also thieves. Reason-principles that drive humanity into war also govern times of peace. Reason-principles that bestow Intellect and progress science, also blind people with illusion of knowledge, guiding them into different direction from realization of core truths.
(D) Perspective on the Heavenly Order changes our opinion of it, and opinion on both Light and Darkness, core aspects of global reason-principle of being and non-being. People who saw oppression in totalitarian system of Order ask Void of non-existence Itself to save them from it, therefore they become worshipers of Opposition of Order represented by Disorder and Chaos. Meanwhile people seeking Light get blinded by it and uncover nothing more than some people's myths, which are all philosophical riddles and binding spells of religious systems, that are temporary things of their time and place. Some look at the Sun and call it God, when Sun itself is just one of many Stars bestowing Light, and has its own attributed movement, and so limited Intellectual capacity of invisible reason principle, while dividing that capacity by reflecting it on nearby planets and the moon. It gives Life, it also causes high degree of executional death being rightfully called Abaddon. Reason-principle of pleasure is reason-principle of pain. In alchemical marriage Lucifer and Abaddon live side by side on top of ascending ladder, bringing Love and Life on same plate with Lust and Extinction.
(E) Living and non-living parts of humanity exist to complete one another. The living live to experience this world as simulation to gain knowledge of forms. After bodily death they enter the world of invisible reason-principles behind revolutions of the stars and their knowledge gained from experience in this world becomes their own reason-principle form, movement and ultimately predetermined destiny. Living become reason-principles directly connected to God of Light, and representation of His Spirit according to your allotted Intelligence, governing allotted sphere of intelligence inside society of reason-principles. And that divine connection is secured by reason-principle of daimon (fate), connection that attributes Intelligence according to predestined level of participation in the Light.
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8e1012 No.160397
>>160375
You are so cute anon! :^)
>>160373
>Hate of sex is Sethian, anon. Not preserving virginity, but hate of idea of sexual intercourse. Because literally everything in Sethian Jewish theology is linked to "sexual sins". They literally believe that human women led to humanity’s sexual enslavement.
Yep, globohomo (God I hate faggots/'angels') lies again. Their own unceasing lust (desire to inject themselves into everything) was their undoing, but they could never fess up to that because it would be admitting their own guilt in the situation (break their imprecation/curse) and that might cause them to rightfully condemn themselves for their crimes against Love and Life. So until 'man' aka jews (because at this point I have decided that all men are actually jews; lol) becomes mature enough to acknowledge their own errors we play 'this game' instead.
I think that is one of the reasons why I love Christ above all other men, because he came to pass judgement (healing) on the planet, and, rather than face their crimes (and I understand what you are saying about him betraying masonry; thus far I believe it had to happen to pass a good judgement) but globohomo killed him so that 'the game could continue' and their crimes would not be revealed.
In the meantime, more and more of Hell leaks into this place due to their own actions (sexuality) and those same crimes and they become more and more bitter about what happened but the idea that they were the cause of it is FAR from their mind. It could have been over when he showed them the way and instead they are going to drag the whole fiasco out to the bitter end (which is why I, personally, have no feeling of remorse about what will take place or what will happen to them as a result).
Instead of accepting their crimes they place them on the heads of the innocent and think that they are displaying 'strength' or that 'God' is with them. It is disgustingly foul in nature and character. Repulsive. But it is their immortal (dead) character as well, so that apple didn't fall far from the tree. To have healing they would have to acknowledge that their character and actions here were wrong on such a fundamental level and at this point their sin has simply compounded to something so vast and horrific that few people could ever have the moral strength to acknowledge and it is almost pointless to expect that one of them would have the character to do something about it until the complete end.
Being from Hell, they turned the heart of the universe into Hell and will collapse the entire thing in time. As anyone with a brain and eyes can see that the frozen outer planets are all male and cold lifeless things frozen in stasis and without Life, soul or creation (which is the Heart of God) they should be able to reason correctly that they are from Hell (the dead frozen cold emptiness) and that they BROUGHT HELL HERE and began putting Death into everything they could find that was a Living being.
They seeded Death (and all its attendant complications) on this planet.
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892e40 No.160402
>>160397
Now lets pretend i am some master of masonic lodge, how would i in retrospect view Hitler's Germany and Weimar Germany, as a cornerstone of Abaddon's Epoch?
1. I would probably say that Hitler's Germany was inheritably Sethian. All of its symbols are symbols of death. Sol Negro is Saturnalian consumption, skulls of SS officers represented Death, unlocked time acceleration into destruction. Even thunder symbols are wrong, Hence they are heavily censored, to not invoke any spirit of them.
2. Then i'd proceed to call out that Weimar was inheritably Luciferan. All of its "rights for women", "freedom of sexuality" and openness to progress have Luciferan traits, especially in economic poverty, because poverty in any country seem to hold any Luciferan order like a cross.
Now would i say that the jews, who supposedly suffered "holocaust", were supposed to learn something from this whole experience? Jews are not Luciferan. Jews are Sethian as hell itself. Everything in donkey worship and babylonian law of hammurabi was part of saturnalian experience of the death worship. They hated all sorts of "degeneracies". They used to stone people for smallest offenses like adultery or hate of their own parents. They invented whole word "sodomite" and used to kill gays as very first people who committed to it. They were against all sexuality because they heavily believes that sexuality is cornerstone of all sin. Everything we learned about "degeneracy" we learned from the jews. Even lie about holocaust is part of jews wanting luciferan camp to succeed, make their fellow jews not embrace the Law again. True jew would envy Hitler.
If i was, as a masonic worshiper of Shekinah, to judge the experience of the jews by what happened to Third Reich, i would view it as God''s greatest mind break of the jews. God took their ignorance and gave it to Germans, instilled Germans with same spirit Jews had, same nationalism by blood (because Sethian Jews used to promote racial purity) and same anti-sexual attitude of Sethian origin and worship of darkness. And made the very spirit of the jewish hate to proceed to oppress the jews. So why jews of today are so opposed to order of Seth, and why Israel is the most homosexual country in middle east? Because of Hitler. Hitler reversed jewish values. Germans, by becoming jewish in spirit, driven off the spirit of the original jewry out of the jews. Hence the whole idea of "stealing Yahweh". Jews worship right God. They just worship that God wrong, by deluding themselves that this God is only in the pocket of Israel. Now they are incapable of returning to appropriate sethian values, and all jewish rabbies are divided not just into Kabbalist/Orthodox cabs, but also into Sethian/Luciferian, who intertwine world in Order and Chaos.
Now its age of Anael, obviously judging from Venusian cycles instead of dates given by lodge of Luxor. Lucifer unleashes his full sexual deviancy, destroys another remnant of sethian totalitarism that was USSR, and goes wide on sexual aspect, as well as compassion and moralism in its emotional sense. I get it you don't understand dual nature of reason-principles, but its exactly how they come.
Now, i know there are Sethian jews out there, who probably think its part of a play to get goyim to die from Lucifer's embrace, but they forget their own brethren enjoy age of Anael just as much. Therefore Goddess of Love pacified everybody, and we lost control. Because Seth passed the torch to Lucifer. People say its great, some say its madness, but all days are the same. Crowds complain about everything but enjoy all the bread and circuses provided. We aren't above anything that rules over us Intellectually.
But i am not mason and neither are you. Luciferian Nationalism would be Liberal Nationalism, but nobody wants to try that, because Venus born people themselves are too much drown in emotional compassion instead of reason, and Sethian Nationalists waving swastikas around keep shouting for death of all degeneracy, scaring people off. And so you have whites participating in their own destruction, most genuinely having their head in the clouds.
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8e1012 No.160408
>>160402
I don't care if shouting about degeneracy scares people off anon. I want QUALITY not QUANTITY to stand beside me. I am not one for 'mob rule' like BLM or 'democracy' (three people form a government and two of them vote to rob the third).
As far as the politics go, I agree with YHVH (and I know we went over this in the last thread) but in a sense I agree that there should be no one OVER the people except God (so again, as per the Bible, no codified religion, 10 laws that are easy for everyone to understand; even retards). Leadership IS UNDER the people as a support structure to ensure that they are cared for. The same mechanism as leadership over men where in the male rule the ones on top enjoy the most freedom is the exact opposite with female rulership (when they are not confused and trying to act like faggots, jews or men)…the more power you have the more constriction and responsibility you have. Female rulership is a trunk with branches (the people who belong to God alone) reaching up to heaven. Male rulership is a trunk with roots (the people who are enslaved in Hell) reaching to the depth of Hell.
This should have been PATENTLY OBVIOUS to everyone just based on graphics and their own understanding (even if I don't 'reason') lmao.
I am going to have to think through Germany and the other things you said. Most of that is due to the obvious eugenic properties of sexual freedom.
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deda52 No.160443
>look up one of them magic books where they name saturn Cassiel
>pick up The Veritable Key of Solomon
>has a symbol of Azazel for some reason
>presides over Shabbat day
>his Intelligence and Daemon are still called Agiel and Zazel
>in book of Enoch this same guy is known for causing violence in pre-flood days
I know i am not supposed to take either of them seriously, but it proves Azazel and Saturn are related. Cronus too was known to be imprisoned in Tartarus.
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8e1012 No.160482
>>160443
Speculation:
I have always speculated that they only bound the 'female' aspect of that duo and that all planets have this 'polar' traits of masculine (intelligence/reasoning/logic/merciful; angelic) and feminine (judgmental/creation/memory/intuitive;demonic)….partially because I am lightly acquainted with (he doesn't like me I think because I called him on his systematic murder of Germans without a cause) the person who claims that they are the Templar reincarnation of Azazel. Strange character. He is looking for someone to take his revenge out on because he says he was betrayed by one of the Archons (4 angelic brothers; assumption on my part Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Neptune; Ouranos being the father and castrated at this point). So I guess he is hunting Mars, the lover of Venus, if mythology is to be believed and perhaps Venus as well; not sure.
I guess the Earth was considered to be 'the marriage bed' of the Gods.
I have gotten into it with a couple people over the 'poles' when they are 'photographed' by STEREO etc. First, they aren't 'photos' they are plates that are sensitive to photons, not lenses. People say, "Oh that is an artifact of the lens." At that point I know I don't have to listen to them anymore since STEREO satellites don't have 'a lens' they have photosensitive plates like Hubble so they only record light emissions, not the fancy renderings we have gotten used to seeing generated from NASA. The poles are there as an artifact of some sort and they are on every planet that is observed by STEREO A or B. As far as I have ever seen that polar artifact extends forever in a straight line there is never any visible curve as though it was a magnetic artifact.
It is possible that the architecture of the interior of the planet matches the seals in some way as well as the controlling forces and aspects of the angelic and demonic archonic resident. We know that the Earth is the Teth (circle with equilateral cross on the interior) which ironically is also (one of) the alchemical symbol for the Earth as well as a manifestation of its physical/geometric presence.
More Speculation:
I think it would be interesting to think about this geometry and the gates of God as well since it seems that the Earth itself might be a sort of a Stargate for Solar System (or worse). But it also brings into question the resonant/geometric structure of the other planets as I believe that the sigils are more than 'artwork' but rather the physical manifestation of the planet itself and its character.
Sigil of venus…look at her there, so cute in her little bath, surrounded by 4 female attendants.
Mat 24
>12 Because of the multiplication of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold. 13 But the one who perseveres to the end will be saved.
Interestingly he is not talking about love towards one another but rather Love of God.
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3aed19 No.160485
>>160408
>men bad women good
poo poo pic, better if it wiped my ass
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8e1012 No.160486
>>160485
>anon finds a jew who want to talk about feces…great…that will add nothing to the conversation
Say what you like anon…but I have met Thor, one of the lightening Gods (who probably resides in a place of absolute zero), before and when he 'came through' into his proxy there was lots of cold, panic and screaming in terror by the man who allowed him through for a visitation. I know that wherever they are from, it is extremely cold there and things do not change or age (practically at all) which is why this static state of death allows them to be Gods.
Also state approaching equilibrium is the biomolecular difference between the living and the dead. The dead are just data similar to living who do their best to avoid heat and energy states to maintain integrity over vast lengths of time, hence 'Gods'. This same is true of every virus which is ALWAYS dead but uses the imbalance of the Living system to procreate inside it. Virus are just DNA in a dead (inactive) state which activate due to the host body of a living organism. We could say the same thing about the Gods.
We are just DNA in a state of imbalance (aka 'Living') which means that we get old and die. The whole point of the Gospel of Thomas that women need to make themselves into men to reach the Kingdom of God is that women need to become a cold, dead, empty husk to reach 'Godlike' status. This is why Ouranos is castrated…he is too far out to participate in the Living anymore or bear offspring.
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cbc8c2 No.160487
>>160408
So….You think women are suppose to be in a position of 'Ruling class power'?
GOD said, women should NOT be in position of power, nor should be a preacher!
You're reflecting your feelings rather than teachings!
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8e1012 No.160491
>>160487
Women are cursed by God to be 'obedient to men' (and make no mistake about it that was the most sever punishment that ever was handed out) but that will not last forever anon. Also, not jewish. Different culture, different father, different source code, different DNA. I can agree with aspects of the jewish religion and recognize the wisdom of the God they told to fuck off (twice or more; killed once) without 'being jewish'.
Also, if you believe that Jesus set all mankind free of the curse(s) then why should I kneel and obey that KIKE PHARISEE PAUL, a jew, when it comes to the 'law' or any other aspect of ritual jewish insanity? That asshole was a globalist retard BLM jerkoff before they were ever invented. He totally destroyed the teaching of Christ and perverted it with his 'kike philosophy' and put the planet back for almost 2,000 years while he systematically worked to genocide my own people (100 million murdered over 2,000 years). Fuck him and fuck you.
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67256e No.160559
>>159436
I quoted the wrong post in previous reply, you are posting so much bullshit that I can hardly keep track debunking all of it. I do find the fact that (((love and light brigade))) has spent a shekel or two because of me highly amusing. I could write walls of text about every distraction, narrative-manipulating and other tactic which you have utilized so far in order to push your universalist globohomo agenda by pretending to be one of us and then gradually poisoning the well, but it doesn't really matter. Truth is not democratic, and propaganda doesn't work on gods and divine beings, not in the long term at least. There are already billions of people believing similar garbage so you won't be at a loss for followers either. Just like those before you who appealed to beastmen sensibilities and hijacked the narrative of the few divine people throughout history. Pretending to oppose Saturn, but secretly working for him, just like Dionysus. Imprisoning divine essence to generate "life" and thus feed death. "Saving" us from themselves by swinging the pendulum of the false dialectics, the favorite activity of those who have no qualia, those "neither here nor there", the organic lie, the Jews. You have the potential to be the new "messiah" and I don't really plan to stand in your way as animal-men are not my concern. But it is my duty to point out your falsehoods to those with the proper sight, and those of the Aryan race. Besides, even if I am the "last" being in existence overcoming your false light, that will only make me your god. I hope you understand the implications… "King of Israel" may be the one least expected to be :>)
>Its all consistent in tying to simplest numbers
Incomplete mathematics that the entirety of Judeo-Masonic retardation is built upon, the cornerstone of slavery to Mammon that the rest of (((temple))) gets built upon. Just as there is 2, so is there 11. But there is deeper esoteric truth to this, those who terminate after 9 and begin from 2 anew are sentenced to eternal recurrence as finite phantoms with no memory or continuation whatsoever. Even entire universes are subject to this fate, which is what most of the astrological symbols and planetary cycles or ages are reflective of. You are rightly pointing them out, as well as the influences which those bring. But the entirety of cyclical, astrological worldview that you keep referencing here is based on reflection of something material and finite, imperfect and inferior, entirely subject to and projecting the mechanistic laws of Brahman (cycles) by transference and involution (cycles within cycles), and not the laws of Atman (transcendence), which you can never figure out solely by observing the planets and other physical phenomena. Adding a second digit symbolized continuation that frees one from the cycles of (compelled) reincarnation (and is the basis for transcendent numbers, as well as Memory), but it's not possible without passing 10 (1,0), the ultimate threshold separating the cyclical existence of death and transcendent existence of immortality. Of course, these operations are entirely arcane and ancient NPC's could never observe them and thus canonize them, that ability being exclusive to the very rare, divinely inspired mystics and scholars.
>0 is simply non-being
Non-being cannot exist by definition. I have described the nature of 0 previously.
>But descent is always associated with lack of something, imperfection of inner order
9 is not a perfect number. What is it an imperfection of? It's not 1 since One is not perfect either, otherwise it would never become two, among other shortcomings.
>As for the Cross, i already mentioned it, cross shape as well as the Egg is inspired by Milky Way, Zodiacal Light and circle above it
You are looking at things from the wrong direction, and this is a good exhibit of what I have described previously. Have in mind that there are no perfect circles in the physical universe. Being inspired by something containing imperfection can only generate further imperfection until you dissolve completely.
>Chaotic darkness is unable to take possession of Light
I have provided examples of "Light" being equally chaotic, just of a different nature. You can have order in total darkness as well. Besides, "Light and Darkness" are obsolete and misleading terms.
>No order to take hold of for children of outer darkness
How can anything with total absence of order produce children or anything else? There is implicit order in what you call "outer darkness" and that may be the most supreme order of all.
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f399d4 No.160570
>>160491
Whoa, whats the story behind Paul? Got any cool links ?
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d8f885 No.160591
>>160559
>you are posting so much bullshit that I can hardly keep track debunking all of it
To be honest neither i have enough time at the moment to complete all thoughts in this thread, i am glad i managed to share some information to extend, how you use it its your own decision. I could keep my opinions on what i found to myself, but oh well i didn't.
Number 40 is essentially sacred astrological number directly tied to Venus, and 3 days and 3 nights is a hint on certain transit. Most important finding is that Asherah, ancient Goddess of Israel connected to Astarte is also mentioned in the Old Testament exactly 40 times in 9 books. Actually whole Old Testament is a magical book that is bound by number 40 like Solomon's circles of magic are bound by pentagram. I guess Mary worship is a product of revelation that primordial Goddess that made covenant with Noah hiding secrets in astrology and numerology. If Gabriel is indeed a Moon according to Solomonic teaching, then Crescent in certain iconography of Mary also makes more sense.
>>160482
Levictus 16 calls Azazel a "scapegoat", or at least that's how KJV translated his name. I think in a way its how i try to describe metaphysical evil by attributing it to Seth, where Seth acts as a scapegoat in my own dialectics. In a way Satan may have always been a way to just forget all evil by attributing it to an imaginary actor, to not insult God, since jews are incapable of accepting all Fate.
>>160570
There's book of Savitri Devi on Paul. Porphyry's "Against the Christians" also had good commentary on Paul (i really recommend to read it https://b-ok.cc/book/1257929/bcf41f ). But i am going to tell you something else, something much more convincing on nature of Paul and how much he doesn't care about christian teaching, because nobody tells this one to anybody, or at least on emotional state of Paul:
Before Jesus resurrected Lazarus (even if that's a narrative of a made up myth, its still important to understand its emotional message): John 11:33-35:
>When Jesus therefore saw her weeping, and the Jews also weeping which came with her, he groaned in the spirit, and was troubled, And said, Where have ye laid him? They said unto him, Lord, come and see. Jesus wept.
Paul's actual opinion on death and weeping, 1st Thessalonians 4:13:
>But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
Here's a deal about this Thessalonian passage, when Paul is honest about usage of his words he really has no mental emotion for any dead christians. He said to weep with weeping in Romans, but then goes the reverse for others. He sometimes uses law as a tool to discern something or claim rightful punishment, but then rejects when its not needed. Same for weeping for the dead. This person is a huge hypocrite of cosmic scale, Jesus should had never had this 13th apostle. Peter is a hypocrite too, but he was promised to be a failure since the beginning and a Satan. Paul is some co-opting force to re-inject jewish law and jewish attitude into growing cult.
"John" too by his not welcoming attitude to "heretics" reversed the message of Jesus about welcoming strangers and gave fundament to inquisition nobody needed. Point of all was changed quickly when those people started to manage this religion. Even Apocalypse was actually edited at least once to attributed to "John".
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d1a4cd No.160604
>>160487
Don't judge anon too much, his image made sense.
"Tree of Life" was always governed by a Feminine nature. Mary is in fact an epithet for "priestess" (or there wouldn't be so many Marys in the bible). Therefore if you think hard enough about it, and significance of Hathor, you'll find anon makes sense that feminine governs overworld. It also fits within Shaktist cosmology if you read introductions to that religion by Evola or Woodroffe. Although i'd rather say God has no sex in accordance to Orphism and Gnostism according to dual nature, even Genesis says God made "male and female" but only later separated "female" from Adam, i always knew that part was shady. But it still either ends up being a feminine androgynous love preaching man (Vishnu, Krishna, Dionysus or Christ), or a woman in rulership (Shakti, Inanna or Mary).
Therefore if one to claim "Female" supports humanities growth to Heaven, then one could speculate about potency of female priesthood, that was directed against by Paul.
Then there's also "Logoi of Jesus" that is collected from Papias of Hierapolis, and theorized as separate source of all Testaments. But it has this specific moment about writing on the ground, where jews accuse a prostitute and Jesus goes to mock the jewish law this way. "from now on sin no longer" was added by a writer after consulting this hypothetical source, since we all known nobody is able to do that. There are many evidences that Christ had completely different attitude towards women than church inspired by the greeks established, both gnostic and hypothetical ones.
He's based on Krishna and Dionysus anyway, who both made women leave their houses for them, should it be maenads, gopis, or jewish prostitutes.
I also shouldn't hide that jewish word for "priestess" is interchangable with "prostitute". Hence why Magdalene is "apostle of apostles".
Kedeshah (or qedesha) (קדשה) meant "female who is set apart".
DeGrado said about this: "neither the interpretation of the קדשה as a "priestess-not-prostitute" nor as a "prostitute-not-priestess adequately represents the semantic range of Hebrew word in biblical and post-biblical Hebrew"
Hence the whole confusion "saint or whore". Because female priestesses sometimes associated directly with prostitutes by hebrews, a female without husband who shouldn't be trusted, but those also included temple worshipers. This linguistic exclusion eventually forbidden women to be priests at all. Because that would mean people would directly call them whores by the way jewish language functions.
tl;dr forbidding female priests is actual kikery and id: 8e1012 is right on this one
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d1a4cd No.160607
>>160482
>bound the 'female' aspect of that duo and that all planets have this 'polar' traits of masculine
According to Giordano Bruno, Love of Venus is prime bonding agent:
>The most important of all bonds is the bond of Venus and of love in general, and that which is primarily and most powerfully the opposite of love’s unity and evenness is the bond of hate. Indeed, to the degree that we love one of two opposites and contraries of any type, then to that same degree we hate and reject the other. These two feelings, or rather, in the last analysis, this one feeling of love (whose substance includes hate) dominates all things, is lord over all things, and elevates, arranges, rules and moderates all things. This bond dissolves all the other bonds. For example, female animals who are restrained by the bond of Venus do not get along well with other females, and males do not tolerate rival male suitors. They neglect food and drink and even life itself, not giving up even when conquered. Rather, the more they are worn out, the more they press on, fearing neither storms nor the cold. Because of this argument, Aristippus decided that the highest good is bodily, and especially sexual, pleasure, but he held before his eyes a rather animalistic view of man as a result of his own conclusion. But still, it is true that the more skilful and clever bonding agent, who uses things which the one to be bound or tied loves and hates, expands his pathway to the bonds of the other feelings. For indeed, love is the bond of bonds.
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0fcf06 No.160608
>>160591
The Magic Numbers of the Earth-Venus cycle were integral to the conceptualization of Israel and are reflected in the given tribal structure, 13 children born to 4 Mothers including a daughter Dinah, were 4 x 13 =52 weeks of the year, or the sum of integers of 13 is 91 x 4 =364 and plus Jacob gives you the days in a year.
The Earth/Venus ratio is 13/8 were 8 Earth orbits correspond to 13 of Venus, so multiples of 8 such as 40 relate to the Earth not Venus, that equivalent being 65.
In terms of days this was generally rounded to 360 Earth days correspondent to 225 Venus, a 1.625 ratio
The first question to ask with regards to the Hebrew system is who did they obtain it from and the answer in this case can be evidenced from Mesopotamia.
40 is the number for Enki and 15 is the number for Inanna, the most common version of this having 60 - Anu, 50 -Enlil, 40 - Ea/Enki, 30 - Nanna/Suen, 20 - Utu/Shamash, 15 - Inanna/Ishtar, 10 - Ishkur/Adad, were the sum total is 225 or 15 squared.
The numeric system was conceptualized as set four square, for Hebrews the Heavenly Temple arrangement, but in Mesopotamia the Pegasus square, and the values of that thus relating to Enki as 40, an interior correspondent value of 15 would have related to the daughter of the Abzu.
Also the system relates to the distance of the Earth and Venus from the Sun, were if Mercury is taken as one AU at 36 million miles then Venus is 1.5 AU at 54 million, Earth is 2.5 at 90 million, and also Mars is 4 AU at 144 million.
The Hebrews certainly did not discover that.
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8e1012 No.160668
>>160604
>(Vishnu, Krishna, Dionysus or Christ)
You may have misunderstood Jesus ('Christ' is something totally different that predates 'christianity' [Pauls globohomoism] by hundreds of years btw) if you think that he came to usurp feminine power rather than return men to their rightful place (aka remove them back to their fathers by shattering the clay vessels that their God's/'angels'/archons made for them).
>Let us make MAN in our image
Those others you listed, yes, I can believe that they all came to steal, kill and destroy women…especially Mithra. The whole ceremony of Mithra (and all things related to Marduk) is about murdering Hathor and bathing in her blood/power; or the capture of Tablet of Destinies (no female would forget about this one).
Anyone who 'needs salvation' (the circle/kikel) is not worthy of salvation because they will continue in their error since they have no understanding.
>his image made sense
Also, not a man.
Thanks for the tip on the Logoi of Jesus; I will see if there is anything of value in it.
>>160570
Paul was the high priest of Mithra, a pharisee jewish globohomo who founded the synagogue of Roman/Mithraic/Christianity. He actively murdered as many followers of Jesus as he could get his hands on in the years that he skulked around Palestine and Rome doing the bidding of the Pharisees, much like Josephus, whose intent it was to over throw Rome as a further weapon in world conquest. All of the jewish bullshit about 'we are all one' and 'there are no races' and 'love' (while dealing in hate, murder and torture) all came from his influence and HIS religion (not Christs who only listened to the old prophets and YHVH his God).
>4 When you are assembled in the name of our Lord Jesus and I am with you in spirit, along with the power of the Lord Jesus, 5 hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the Day of the Lord.
He is literally ordering them to murder someone at a 'church' gathering
Paul is a garden variety globohomo psychopath who not only performed many many murders himself and reveled in them but then 'after repentance' and 'meeting Christ' continued to hunt and murder anyone who questioned him or question his globohomo agenda. He was literally the antithesis of Jesus or anyone righteous and all his words are lies or a direct contradiction of Jesus and the Prophets (those who are holy to God).
I am not affiliated with this website in any way but he is good at explaining the lies and the kike behavior so that I don't have to type it all out again. Anyone should be able to assess this knowledge through critical thinking but many are called and few are chosen.
https://www.jesuswordsonly.com/
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bdf13b No.160704
>>160608
This is some genuine research anon, i always overlook Mesapotamia when it comes to ancients. I need to get into it hard, but i always put it away for later.
>>160668
>Paul was the high priest of Mithra
Gonna have elaboration on this claim. I don't think he was priest of Mithra, but he somehow knew how mystic cults of Mithra and Dionysus worked prior to joining christian movement.
That saying Paul had a phrase in (1 Cor 10:4) about Moses smiting a rock in (Num 20:11):
>And Moses lifted up his hand, and with his rod he smote the rock twice: and the water came out abundantly, and the congregation drank, and their beasts also.
>And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
If we remember Hathor tradition and Revelations its Tree that bestows waters. That saying he was just connecting Moses tale to Christ (In Greek mythology there is Poseidon who struck water from the rocks by means of his trident). But then Mithra came out of rock as well.
That saying, Dionysian mosaics were found in Sepphoris, Zippori, Galilee Israel, where some rich jew owned pieces of Dionysian Hellenic art. One of the possible candidates for village of Qana was supposedly located 8.0 km northeast of Sepphoris, where Jesus did "water to wine" miracle.
Another curiosity is that his account of adventures to Damascus is different (Galatians 1:17-19):
>Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus. Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days. But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord’s brother.
Where Jesus near Damascus said to him in Acts 9:5
>I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
Repeating phrase from Bacchae in response to persecution by Pentheus:
>Better to yield him prayer and sacrifice than kick against the pricks, since Dionyse Is God, and thou but mortal.
But what's more important than Greek saying is Acts 9:26-27:
>And when Saul was come to Jerusalem, he assayed to join himself to the disciples: but they were all afraid of him, and believed not that he was a disciple. But Barnabas took him, and brought him to the apostles, and declared unto them how he had seen the Lord in the way, and that he had spoken to him, and how he had preached boldly at Damascus in the name of Jesus.
Galatian account says he saw no apostles save Peter and also James. Acts say nothing about his journey into Arabia for three whole years after conversion. People solved this logically as some letters were simply forgery attributed to Paul and the apostles by Literalists in their battles with Gnosticism. Letters also predate the time of writing of the Acts.
>He is literally ordering them to murder someone at a 'church' gathering
As far as Paul is a murderer, i want to remind you Peter killed a family for not giving all their money to his utopian attempt at communism in some village. Also apparently said James, who Paul met in Jerusalem, "Lord's Brother" ended up being Ebionite according to Dead Sea Scrolls. They emphasized that Christianity was for Jews and that if Gentiles wanted to embrace it they would have to undergo circumcision and keep all the Laws of Moses. Paul used to attack those people like dogs. They say he died like martyr during persecutions, but might as well got set up.
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0fcf06 No.160765
>>160704
Forgot to mention that the numeric arrangement around the 12 gated Temple precinct is the same as per the Dead sea Temple scroll.
A key factor in the Mithra mythos is that he is given as Petra Genetrix, born of a stone in an underground cavern, which gas correlations to Hurrian myth.
>He has, it seems, no father. It would be wrong to say that he has no mother, for the rock itself, identified explicitly as Petra Genetrix (“the rock that gives birth”) is his mother.
https://iranicaonline.org/articles/mithraism
This correlates to Hurrian myth of Kumarbi impregnating a cliff and causing a son that is a rock to be born
https://www.academia.edu/4840474/_Wisdom_of_Former_Days_The_Manly_Hittite_King_and_Foolish_Kumarbi_Father_of_the_Gods_in_Mapping_Ancient_Near_Eastern_Masculinities_2016_edited_by_Ilona_Zsolnay_Routledge_Press_
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e87e10 No.160960
>>159621
What I meant is that it might take much more than merely dying to go where you think you would be going. Jews don't concern themselves with the afterlife because deep down they know that for them, there won't be any. For NPC's and animal-men, the limit of such thinking is going back into the "light" or going back to "God". But this false light may not lead where people think it's leading…
>I don't think most people would have the strength of will to look in on them at all
You need to learn to navigate that sea. Which might be very difficult for a woman. Remember my remark about being wrong an infinite amount of times :>) I have provided you with some 'maps' in these (and threads from a year or two back), I'd suggest that you use them wisely should it come to that.
>Which is why they don't
It's about them lacking something fundamental rather than having strength. Although this path is one of struggle and overcoming, it's not even meant for most people who contain higher essence.
>I can't decide if this is yet another pointed comment. Either way it made me laugh.
It was, but I was referring to the content that the "coomer of god" keeps flooding the threads with. Well, most of it at least, he nails a good idea or two, out of ten. No matter how much content you derive from a fundamentally flawed philosophy, it won't bring you any closer to the truth. And the time for getting the right ideas is extremely short when it comes to a "human" lifespan. Most don't truly realize the state of their existence.
>This is a possibility but I have always been deeply suspicious of the situation
Well, there were some powerful synchronicities at work, and I know that such meetings of the minds always happen for a reason. There could even be interference of other actors.
>I was afraid we would fall into each other
Depends how 'activated' certain aspects of our essences would be. It could be rather … apocalyptic… You were afraid, I would actually be willing to travel to another side of the world just for a minor chance that something awesome could happen in this tediously mundane existence, even if I know that most likely nothing out of the ordinary would come out of it.
>You say that like it is a bad thing. ;^)
Kek, at least I would be creative. Previously referenced idiotic philosophies for spiritual niggers are why the best toys end up in the hands of the most boring and soulless people. The more I think about it, the more I realize that the majority of patterns which define this specific existence were fine tuned to make it as "wrong" as possible, but it's another subject to discuss. Don't tell me you would turn away a gift of a new, barely used body of a 20 year old? Do you know how many people would kill for something like that? Women … :P
>I think the writer was reflecting on the anger he felt towards the First Man
Existential angst can be horrible, but people usually get too distracted to experience it. It's a (righteous) anger against "life" and generative force itself. At least with clones they had a specific intellect and specific intent to blame, while this force might as well be entirely mindless and do what it's doing compulsively, without choice. Which brings me back to the subject of "life" actually being death. As for clones, their hatred would arise from their similarity to the original, rather than the difference in their life quality. For the same reason why brothers get more jealous of each other than they do of unrelated people. But I digress, just wanted to make a comment on that unrelated to the rest.
>Does this bother you?
Only to a certain extent. I mean, I'm still (relatively) young, but I like having inherently peak looks and peak performance as far as a vessel is concerned. I should get a new body soon lol.
>one only enjoys when they are 'close'
Do you have some deadly disease or something? You might as well live for another 30 years otherwise.
>I am very grateful for the entire experience
I can't say that mine was too bad either, but my expectations were something else … I mean, there had to be more to "life" than this.
>and so this would not really cross my mind in this context
I remember otherwise, despite most aspects of yourself being reserved about it :>) But regardless, I know that women value the same ideas differently depending on them being spread by some gigachad or some incel. Just a thought that had crossed my mind. How would perception of one aspect affect the perception of another.
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8e1012 No.161004
>>160960
>Do you have some deadly disease or something?
Lmao…yeah, it is called wanting to go home more than I want to stay here. ;^)
30 years, don't even suggest that anon that is a horrific thought. About the only thing I still really have a driving passion for and would want to remain here for is my solo sail around the planet; as of this week my responsibilities have passed away and I freedom I haven't had for 17 years.
Look, we both know what real life is about…I have loved my life here anon but there hasn't been a single day that passed that I didn't think about the other side and long for it. You won't convince me that you don't feel the same.
>I remember otherwise, despite most aspects of yourself being reserved about it
People change and begin to focus on what has real meaning and I am getting older anon, we have known each other for years. :)
>Don't tell me you would turn away a gift of a new, barely used body of a 20 year old?
Barely used?! lol…like a barely used car? Of course that doesn't have any meaning to me. That would simply prolong my time here. I love youth and beauty anon, but I love it for them for their own sake, for their experience, not for me, or because I lust after them for myself but rather I appreciate them just because they exist. About the only reason to ever be young again would be to have a ton of kids…and then I would want to be younger than 20…say 14 so that I could do things like spend 2 or 3 years solo sailing the planet (reading all my books, thinking) and still have time to raise large numbers of children.
>Do you know how many people would kill for something like that?
Probably most of them but this is why I don't have much in common with most people either. Contentment in the sense of the actual physical experience in the modern world is difficult for people to understand.
>For NPC's and animal-men, the limit of such thinking is going back into the "light" or going back to "God". But this false light may not lead where people think it's leading…
;) Yeah…but I have actually been there anon it is not an abstract experience for me or some unknown place or tunnel of light; I literally mean I am going home, to my own house. It would be a similar experience for you as if you were downtown here and you wanted to go back to your home here. It wouldn't be an abstract experience for you (now that is assuming a lot…lol…teasing) :^) to know where you were going or what you were aiming towards.
>Well, most of it at least, he nails a good idea or two, out of ten.
I would be happy with that ratio. You should be thankful you never have to listen to the constant barrage ideas that bubble up in my head. I delight in strangeness and dream creation.
Ughhhh sleepy, I just finished a two day (including prep work) gourmet feast for extended family…Moroccan food…totally sublime. I will think about everything else you said anon but I have to get some rest.
>I should get a new body soon lol.
I can't tell if this is a declarative statement or you musing. :^)
Don't be too hard on other anon…I learn from him (maybe not what is is trying to teach but learning non-the-less, and I think he is a good person) and he might go away if you are too hard on him. I mean, you wouldn't look forward to a thread full of this >>160485 ? Just saying…this is a close to debate at we are going to get on 8kun the way it was on 8chan and we should appreciate each other…and as you said before, he does make some good points, right?
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6cddcc No.161158
>>160765
Well. This brings me to few conclusions to make:
1. There must be Babylonian/Sumerian predecessor of Solomon's Temple
2. There must be Mesapotamian version of 12 Zodiac signs as 12 Tribes
Babylonian astrology gave birth to Inanna, Venus deified, and other Gods who became core basis for Greek and Egyptian mythology. In case of Assyria, their Tree of Life must have not just been tied to Ashur, but also to some Goddess according to how Asherah is portrayed (unless Asherah is literally female version of Ashur). I know Tree of Life as Sycamore is portrayed under government of Venusian Goddess Hathor, but neither exist without the Sun. And apparently Pisces were "The Tails" and associated with Dove and Swallow, according to Iqīšâ's calendar text.
What is weird about babylonians is that their Saturn was god of agriculture, healing and war (but then again, sickle is an agricultural tool). Not an embodiment of death and pestilence known as Cronos/Azazel.
Also Mesopotamian Ziggurats actually used to have mandala-like structure, when viewed from plan perspective. What i am interested in finding is some correlation between Solomon's temple that was designed to "catch light of Shekinah (Venus)" and temple structure of Mesopotamian Inanna/Ishtar temples. Because whole point of making Ziggurats is so a temple space could be built above ground level of other buildings, if there's an interest in "catching starlight" in style of how egyptian pyramids are doing it. Maybe that's why there are little windows on top of white temples.
Cherubs guarding the Ark of Covenant drawn in models of Solomon temple look very similar to both Babylonian and Egyptian models of winged beasts with human heads.
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0fcf06 No.161189
>>161158
There was also a Babylonian example of taking 6 Gods and their normative numbers which had a sum value of 210 but also having 6 Goddesses with the intermediate values of 5 to 55, with a sum total of 180, which thus varies from the 7 Great Princes/Anunnaki normative.
The complex manner they formulate the birth pattern of Israel may owe something to the four children of Enlil and the seven children of one of those, Ninurta and Bau.
https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1407/1407.6246.pdf
The ratio and numbers involved certainly lend themselves to being seen as a series of inlaid squares, too ziggurat and pyramid design, there are highly strange patterns involved.
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a2a557 No.161200
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ea43fa No.161335
>>161189
There's also something in Rig Veda (1.164.47-48) for this one:
>"Dark the descent: the birds are golden-coloured; up to the heaven they fly robed in the waters.
>Again descend they from the seat of Order, and all the earth is moistened with their fatness."
>"Twelve are the fellies, and the wheel is single; three are the naves. What man hath understood it?
>Therein are set together spokes three hundred and sixty, which in nowise can be loosened."
Its part of HYMN CLXIV. Visvedevas. I don't have space to copy whole thing, so i am uploading a pdf, page 146.
Those words preceded saying "They call him Indra, Mitra, Varuna, Agni, and he is heavenly nobly−winged Garutman. To what is One, sages give many a title they call it Agni, Yama, Matarisvan."
Notice 12 fellies, single wheel, three naves. The saying "What man hath understood it?" just like anything in Rig Veda is appointing a matter being a cosmological riddle. I think three naves are winter triangle, and 12 fellies are signs of zodiac. Single wheel is milky way.
360 is either a full circle or invocatory formula, that always must be divided by 3. Therefore 3*12 and then multiplied by hundred.
There's also HYMN XXXIV. Asvins on the Fellies:
>1 Ye who observe this day be with us even thrice: far−stretching is you bounty, Asvins and your course. To you, as to a cloak in winter, we cleave close: you are to be drawn nigh unto us by the wise.
>2 Three are the fellies in your honey−bearing car, that travels after Soma's loved one, as all know. Three are the pillars set upon it for support: thrice journey ye by night, O Asvins, thrice by day.
>3 Thrice in the self−same day, ye Gods who banish want, sprinkle ye thrice to−day our sacrifice with meath; And thrice vouchsafe us store of food with plenteous strength, at evening, O ye Asvins, and at break of day.
>4 Thrice come ye to our home, thrice to the righteous folk, thrice triply aid the man who well deserves your help.
Thrice, O ye Asvins, bring us what shall make us glad; thrice send us store of food as nevermore to fail.
>5 Thrice, O ye Asvins, bring to us abundant wealth: thrice in the Gods' assembly, thrice assist our thoughts. Thrice, grant ye us prosperity, thrice grant us fame; for the Sun's daughter hath mounted your three−wheeled car.
>6 Thrice, Asvins, grant to us the heavenly medicines, thrice those of earth and thrice those that the waters hold, Favour and health and strength bestow upon my son; triple protection, Lords of Splendour, grant to him.
>7 Thrice are ye to be worshipped day by day by us: thrice, O ye Asvins, ye travel around the earth. Car−borne from far away, O ye Nasatyas, come, like vital air to bodies, come ye to the three.
>8 Thrice, O ye Asvins, with the Seven Mother Streams; three are the jars, the triple offering is prepared. Three are the worlds, and moving on above the sky ye guard the firm−set vault of heaven through days and nights.
>9 Where are the three wheels of your triple chariot, where are the three seats thereto firmly fastened? When will ye yoke the mighty ass that draws it, to bring you to our sacrifice. Nasatyas?
>10 Nasatyas, come: the sacred gift is offered up; drink the sweet juice with lips that know the sweetness well. Savitar sends, before the dawn of day, your car, fraught with oil, various−coloured, to our sacrifice.
>11 Come, O Nasatyas, with the thrice−eleven Gods; come, O ye Asvins, to the drinking of the meath. Make long our days of life, and wipe out all our sins: ward off our enemies; be with us evermore.
>12 Borne in your triple car, O Asvins, bring us present prosperity with noble offspring. I cry to you who hear me for protection be ye our helpers where men win the booty.
"Seven Mother Streams" are either Pleiades or Seven seers of big dipper. Because Visvidevas hymn contains "The seven who on the seven−wheeled car are mounted have horses, seven in tale, who draw them onward. Seven Sisters utter songs of praise together, in whom the names of the seven Cows are treasured."
>6 Gods and their normative numbers which had a sum value of 210 but also having 6 Goddesses
Again from HYMN CLXIV: "Of the co−born they call the seventh single−born; the six twin pairs are called Rsis, Children of Gods. Their good gifts sought of men are ranged in order due, and various in their form move for the Lord who guides."
I can't make sense of either CLXIV or XXXIV right about now, but i know hint is there.
It also continues: "They told me these were males, though truly females: he who hath eyes sees this, the blind discerns not. The son who is a sage hath comprehended: who knows this rightly is his father's father."
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0fcf06 No.161341
>>161335
>HYMN CLXIV
The six pairs and a 7th single born give the best indication for a sage family of 13, it's the 7th born Dinah in the Israel formulation that is excluded from the 12 but used as a mathematical factor.
Also that Hymn goes on to compare with Egypt in terms of Hathor cow and the Fig tree as key to eternal life, and the Ba birds.
https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/rigveda/rv01164.htm
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977dde No.161366
>>161341
>Hathor cow and the Fig tree as key to eternal life, and the Ba birds
And "none gaineth it who knoweth not the Father". Back to square one i suppose. All main religions root back to it.
There was a person named Marcus Manilius, who tried to justify astrology in front of roman crowd, because of people like Agrippa, Augustus trusted advisor, who was critical against astrology and magicians. Because of this there were expulsions of astrologers and sorcerers, sometimes together with philosophers under Tiberus and at the end of Nero's reign. This kind of attitude inspired Manilius, a stoic philosopher to write a didactic poem on astrology. Manilius considered astrology to be an Egyptian science, revealed to the priests by a Egyptian God Hermes Trismegistus long ago and kept secret. But as far as its obvious to us, astrology is not Egyptian only, but Mesopotamian as a whole. One could wonder if people composed meaning of "fig tree of eternal life" prior to separation from fertile crescent. But i am going to leave Astronomica here, for easy access, if anything it has interesting arguments for its reasonable purpose. Astrology.pdf is some cut out from Arcana Mundi with its own commentary on selected Manilius passages in defense of astrology as a science.
He also affirms my view on Venusian problem of sexual representation (and the reason why Inanna temples held tranny-priests):
>As he emerges in his backwards rising with head hanging down, the Bull brings forth in his sixth degree the Pleiades, sisters who vie with each other's radiance. Beneath their influence devotees of Bacchus and Venus are born into the kindly light, and people whose insouciance runs free at feasts and banquets and who strive to provoke sweet mirth with biting wit. They will always take pains over personal adornment and an elegant appearance: they will set their locks in waves of curls or confine their tresses with bands, building them into a thick topknot, and they will transform the appearance of the head by adding hair to it; they will smooth their hairy limbs with the porous pumice, loathing their manhood and craving for sleekness of arm. They adopt feminine dress, footwear donned not for wear but for show, and an affected effeminate gait. They are ashamed of their sex; in their hearts dwells a senseless passion for display, and they boast of their malady, which they call a virtue. To give their love is never enough : they will also want their love to be seen.
None of it however has to be as he described. We dealt with a problem of people born under Venus by redirecting their femininity into compassion, music, artistic talent and poetry rather than men becoming full blown women. But this star is a reason of the whole "women born in men's body" phenomena, give or take this as a fact, his observation is on point.
I find it hard to ignore ties of astrology to human behavior, "being born from a God", and Gods themselves tied to representation by celestial bodies.
Plato on this wrote the following (Republic, Book VIII):
>For the birth of a divine creature, there is a cycle comprehended by a perfect number.
>… (i am skipping the explanation for it makes post too long)
>And when your rulers, through ignorance of these births, join brides and grooms at the wrong time, the children will be neither good natured nor fortunate. The older generation will choose the best of these children but they are unworthy nevertheless, and when they acquire their fathers’ powers, they will begin, as guardians, to neglect us Muses. First, they will have less consideration for music and poetry than they ought, then they will neglect physical training, so that your young people will become less well educated in music and poetry. Hence, rulers chosen from among them won’t be able to guard well the testing of the golden, silver, bronze, and iron races, which are Hesiod’s and your own. The intermixing of iron with silver and bronze with gold that results will engender lack of likeness and unharmonious inequality, and these always breed war and hostility wherever they arise. Civil war, we declare, is always and everywhere ‘of this lineage’.
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a63dfc No.161410
I am going to quote Adin Steinsaltz again, if you don't mind and you tell me if he's right.
>What Does It Mean to Be Jewish?
>The mission of the Jews? We are priests.
>As priests, we have a special mission. There is a difference between a priest and a pastor. A pastor is a person who has to be a teacher, a leader. And contrary to what many people may say, I don’t think that being a light unto the nations means that we are the teachers of the world. In any case, the world doesn’t like our teachings. The role of the priest is, first of all, that the priest accepts a great number of special duties. But as priests, we are, basically, a people, obsessed with God. That is, perhaps, another definition of what a Jew is: a person who is obsessed with God. It is almost impossible for us to live without worshiping our God. Now, the problem is, what is the function of the priest who is a nonreligious person? Being a priest is so essential to our being that if we lose our God, we try to invent a new one as fast as possible in order to do something that is in our nature — that is, to be priests.
Now a warning to anyone with even a drop of jewish blood, this is somewhat crucial, as ex-calvinist i understand motives of writing that:
>What we are is a family. We are the biological or, in the case of converts, the spiritual children of the House of Israel. We are connected to one another, whether or not we agree with one another, whether or not we even like one another. Judaism as a religion was never very active in proselytizing, just as a family would never go out into the streets to grab people to join the family. It doesn’t mean that Jews feel superior or inferior. It’s simply that from the very beginning, Judaism had its own rhythm and way of living. Even when members of such a family are out of the family house, when they are wandering far away, they continue the lifestyle — theologically, sociologically, behavioristically. Of course, members of the family can be severely chastised, and rifts can occur between individuals and groups, but there is really no way of leaving the family. You can even hate it, but you cannot be separated from it. After some time, people, younger or older, come to the conclusion that they can’t get away from it, and therefore it is far better to try to find the ways in which they are connected — because the connection is beyond choice. It’s a matter of being born with it. And since you are stuck with it, it is far better to get to know where you came from and who you are.
What inevitably happens to a person possessing jewish blood:
>Jews have adopted a lot of other cultures, national identities, and sometimes even religions. Sometimes a wonderful recognition and return occurs. Frequently, however, it takes the form of a very unpleasant discovery that “I am somehow different,” that “my medium is a different medium.” When a Jew finds water, so to speak, he will swim in it, even though those who raised him and taught him don’t. Finding out somehow to which family one belongs is a familiar theme in literature, and in life, knowingly or unknowingly, each person begins to discover it. If the discovery comes soon enough, the person is not only able to acknowledge the fact that he belongs somewhere — at least to be buried in the right graveyard — but also to make his life, in a way, more sensible. Paradoxically, freedom comes with the acceptance of a definite framework from which one cannot move away.
>>158064
>Are you using the word 'Isreal' properly as it only pertains to non-jews or are you using it generically, like the jews do when they make false claims that they are 'israel'?
Finally i have some material on this.
>Israel, taken as a whole, is an entity, with feet and toenails, chest and head, and soul. To a degree, the rest of the body receives life and power from the consciousness in the head. And the heads of Israel are the souls of men like the tzaddikim, who are able to be in some kind of contact both with God and with the people. It was said of a famous Hasid that if a woman was in labor within five hundred miles of him, he was unable to sleep because of the pain. Can a head be real if it does not sense every ache of the body?
Israel is whole world jewery including lost tribes, its not a place nor land. Every single person with a jewish blood has daemon of Yahweh, the "different medium". For good or ill every jew is a slave of Adonai, but i warn you they aren't the only people who worshiped Shekinah and Adonis. Eventually daemon of Adonai makes a jew into a priest under mental god it identifies within Intelligence of Adonai, even if it isn't Adonai at all. Tzaddikim is a hebrew word for the same as legendary ascended heroes of Heraclitus seen as righteous people becoming equal to daemons, and intercessors or pleaders for other jews "who embody and channel the Divine flow of blessing to the world".
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a63dfc No.161419
Also want to add more to this:
>The concept of ahavat Yisrael, the love of one’s fellow Jews, points to the love of God. One does not attain it by remaining in the material body and feeling all sorts of sentiments about one’s brethren. It is attained by striving for, and ultimately reaching, that level of being in which one sees oneself as a soul. Consistent with this point of view, a rather extreme notion of Israel as a physical - spiritual collective body has developed over the centuries. It is something so sensitively organic in its unity that any separation of one of its smallest limbs or parts was seen to inflict a serious injury on the whole, which was the Shekhinah, the Divine indwelling. A common expression of this is reflected in the words of the blessing “Bless us all, our Father, as one, with the light of Thy countenance.” When we are all one, we can receive the light of “ Thy countenance. ” When we are not one, the Divine presence is not in its right place, and Israel is in a state of deprivation and suffering.
I want you to take notice that Israel is called a "physical-spiritual collective body that has been developed over the centuries."
>When animals brought up in a zoo are released, sometimes they do not even know whether they are wolves or deer. They have to find out who they are, what they are. It’s a great discovery to learn “ I am this ” and to explore the right way of behavior for one’s own kind. Such is the destiny of a Jewish person who has been estranged. He may or may not find helpers. He may almost instinctively move into his natural habitat, or he may have all kinds of strange resistances that will interfere forever with his normal behavior, so that possibly it can be corrected only in a later generation. Whatever happens, such a one is at least coming to grips with the problem. Frequently, the process is accompanied by tragic mishaps — finding, losing, finding again. But basically, it is the situation of the person who wakes up and finds out that even though he grew up somewhere in midwestern America, he really belongs to this very old family, with those strange parents, those sometimes lonely, sometimes ugly brothers and sisters. He has to get accustomed to this idea and then find out what to do about it.
>Our choice, as Jews, is not whether to remain Jews. Our choice is whether to take it as a curse or as a blessing. This is our choice. We don’t have a choice about being or not being Jews. We have a choice about the way we accept it. We can accept it as a curse, as lots of people accept a hereditary illness. But even then, if it is a disease that has been in the family for generations, you want to find out about it. If we are all suffering from one disease, we should at least properly explore it to understand what kind of disease it is.
And now on 600.000 primary souls of the Jews:
>“ It is said that in the Torah there are seventy faces, which are the seventy faces of the divine Shekhinah, and that these contain six hundred thousand faces in accordance with the number of primary souls of Israel, so that every individual soul has a certain part in the Torah ” ( The Thirteen Petalled Rose, p. 76).
I guess those somehow became six million.
It is also said in another source:
>Torah itself is the source of all Jewish souls Therefore there are six hundred thousand letters in the Torah (Zohar). The place from which they are "hewn."
>Each letter is a source and channel for a soul root to evolve from. The sages view this as if a rock hewn from a mountain. Therefore, there are 600,000 explanations on the level of "Peshat," on the level of "Remez," on the level of "Drash," and on the level of "Sod." For every one of the 600,000 explanations there is one Jewish soul, and in the Time-to-Come each will know Torah according to the explanation that corresponds to the root of his soul. In the Garden of Eden, after a person has died he will understand all of it. Furthermore, every night when a person goes to sleep he 'deposits' his soul above. The one who merits to ascend above is taught the explanation upon which his soul-root is based, the extent to which depends upon what he accomplished that day, either a verse or a particular parasha, because that day the specific verse 'shone' in him more than other days.
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a63dfc No.161432
>>161341
Look up all mentions in the vedas on the thing called "Vena". I initially thought this is misunderstanding with a Rainbow until i looked up separate research. Shekinah too is described as cloud, halo or Glory (on which the phenomena of "Glory" on Venus produces a rainbow light).
>It was suggested by Tilak that an early Vedic name for Venus was Vena. Tilak also suggested that Kupros may be derived from the later Indian name for the planet, Sukra, who is considered male. The mention of Vena is to be found in Rigveda 10.123 in a hymn dedicated to Vena which is described as being born of the sun.
>"This Vena impels them who are in the womb of the variegated one; the membrane of light measures out the sky."
>"At the contacts of the waters and the sun the wise kiss him as an infant."
>Yaska's book on etymology, called Nirukta, explains the word Vena as being derived from the root ven, meaning "to long for". This hymn later calls Vena explicitly as the "son of the sun."
>Tilak points out that Katyayana in his Srauta Sutra 9.6.11-13 says that a Sukra cup be taken while reciting the Sukra or Vena hymns. This points to a memory of the two words Vena and Sukra meaning the same thing. Tilak also points out that the Latin Venus is considered by linguists to be cognate with the Sanskrit van, "to love". Elsewhere, the story is recounted how Venus in the form of Kavya Usanas deprived Kubera of his wealth. Kubera complained to Siva who punished Usanas by swallowing him (Venus transit through the sun, swallowing of Jonah by the fish). Eventually, he let Usanas come out of his semen passage which is why he was now called Sukra, "shining". For this reason, Venus is also called the son of Siva or that of the sun.
HYMN CXXIII. Vena.
>SEE, Vena, born in light, hath driven hither, on chariot of the air, the Calves of Prsni. Singers with hymns caress him as an infant there where the waters and the sunlight mingle.
>Vena draws up his wave from out the ocean. mist−born, the fair one's back is made apparent, Brightly he shone aloft on Order's summit: the hosts sang glory to their common birthplace.
>Full many, lowing to their joint−possession, dwelling together stood the Darling's Mothers. Ascending to the lofty height of Order, the bands of singers 'sip the sweets of Amrta.
>Knowing his form, the sages yearned to meet him: they have come nigh to hear the wild Bull's bellow. Performing sacrifice they reached the river: for the Gandharva found the immortal waters.
>The Apsaras, the Lady, sweetly smiling, supports her Lover in sublimest heaven. In his Friend's dwelling as a Friend he wanders: he, Vena, rests him on his golden pinion.
>They gaze on thee with longing in their spirit, as on a strong−winged bird that mounteth sky−ward; On thee with wings of gold, Varuna's envoy, the Bird that hasteneth to the home of Yama.
>Erect, to heaven hath the Gandharva mounted, pointing at us his many−coloured weapons; Clad in sweet raiment beautiful to look on, for he, as light, produceth forms that please us.
>When as a spark he cometh near the ocean, still looking with a vulture's eye to heaven, His lustre, joying in its own bright splendour, maketh dear glories in the lowest region.
From Yajur Veda:
>Thou art the back of the waters, the birthplace of Agni,
>The ocean swelling on either side;
>Growing to might as the lotus flower,
>Do thou extend in width with the measure of heaven.
>The holy power born first in the east
>Vena hath disclosed from the shining boundary,
>He hath revealed its fundamental nearest forms,
>The womb of being and of not being.
Atharva Veda Book II Hymn I Glorification of the prime cause of all things:
>Vena beholds That Highest which lies hidden, wherein this All resumes one form and fashion. Thence Prisni milked all life that had existence: the hosts that know the light with songs extolled her.
>Knowing Eternity, may the Gandharva declare to us that highest secret station.Three steps thereof lie hidden in the darkness: he who knows these shall be the father's father.
>He is our kinsman, father, and begetter: he knows all beings and all Ordinances. He only gave the Gods their appellations: all creatures go to him to ask direction.
>I have gone forth around the earth and heaven, I have approached the first-born Son of Order. He, putting voice, as 'twere, within the speaker, stands in the world, he, verily is Agni.
>I round the circumjacent worlds have travelled to see the far-extended thread of Order. Wherein the Gods, obtaining life eternal, have risen upward to one common birthplace.
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8e1012 No.161516
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0fcf06 No.161579
>>161366
There seems to have been a good basis for Zodiac Ages/Archons relating to the general progression of history, and the planets representing specific dynamic archetypes within that system, but the movement away from this understanding correlating in the rise of personal astrology.
Most early omen series relate to great events of the Nation and King, it' can be considered that the Pyramid texts only related to the transference of Divine Horus Kingship, one dies another is reborn, rather than any form of personal rebirth religion, which emerges during the Middle Kingdom and the cult of Osiris.
Masculine/Feminine polarity gradation metaphysics provides the basis for sexuality, an individual Male or Female can be anywhere on that scale according to diverse personality traits without basic biological function being compromised, that's irrelevant, traditionally in terms of opposites attracting an effeminate man should just find himself a domineering woman.
>>161432
There's some suggestion the Vena texts relate to the birth of a Prince, perhaps an idealized one that is compared to Venus
>Yaska's book on etymology, called Nirukta, explains the word Vena as being derived from the root ven, meaning "to long for"
That which is desired is Vani, a possible basis for the word Venus and the Vanir, the desirous ones, Ven as in the verb venire relates more to coming, so Vena as the one that has come, been born.
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e900fe No.161595
>>161579
Isaiah and Babylonian planetary theory are in agreement that setting of "Lucifer" from the sky is significant omen for the whole kingdom. So if Babylonians were meant to receive Isaiah's prophecy together with Egyptians, who Lord of the jews promised to destroy and conquer, it was to steer up their astrologers.
>If Venus disappears in the east in Nisan (I) from the 1st to the 30th day: there will be wailings in the land. 'Wailings' are weepings.
>This is bad for Elam. (ARAK 145) Venus disappeared in the west. If Venus in Ab (V) descends darkly to the horizon and sets: there will be a fall of Elam. If Venus in Ab (V), from the 1st to the 30th day, disappears in the west: there will be rains; the harvest of the land will prosper. During this month (Venus) will become visible in the east in Leo. (ARAK 246) If in Kislev (IX) from the 1st day to the 30th day Venus disappears in the east: there will be a famine of barley and straw in the land. (ARAK 338, cf. 51, 185)
>[If Venjus stays in her position for long: [the da]ys of the king will become long. If the rising of [Venus] is seen early: the king of the land will extend his life. (ARAK 27, cf. 247)
>Venus set in the east. If Venus gets a flare: it is not good. This means she does not complete her days (of visibility) but sets. (ARAK 145)
Another aspect of Venus being denoted quite blatantly:
>If Venus stands opposite Orion: land will become hostile to land, brother to brother, there will be fall of man and cattle. If the stars of Orion keep gaining radiance: an important person will become too mighty and commit evil. Venus stand in front of Orion. (ARAK 255)
Combo of Jupiter and Venus imply elevation in worship:
>If Jupiter goes with Venus: there will be praying of the land to the gods. Marduk and Zarpanitu will hear the prayers of your troops and will have mercy on your troops. Let them give me a donkey so that I can let my feet recover thereby. (ARAK 244)
That includes significance of conjuction of Pleiades:
>[If Venus] se[ts] in Nisan (I): the harvest of the land will happen, variant: will pr[osper]. If the Frond star reaches the Pleiades: [Adad will devastate.] Venus [stands] in the Pleiades. (ARAK 536)
Combo of Mars and Venus:
>If Mars comes close to Venus: in that year within six months the king of the world will die and…
There's also distinction between passing of Venus on the left and right:
>If Mars stands in (…) to the left of Venus: [there will be] devastation in Akkad; the pen of horses […]. (ARAK 415)
>If Jupiter passes to the right of Venus: a strong one will conquer the land of the Guti in battle. If Jupiter…to the right of Venus [and] stands there: for three years…. (ARAK 448)
That saying those are not perfect even to Babylonians themselves, and they have been dealing with cheating astrologers:
>letter of -669 XII 7 to Esarhaddon from his trusted servant Nabu-ahhe-eriba shows:
>[He who] wrote to the king, my lord, The planet Venus is visible, it is visible [in the month Ad]ar (XII),' is a vile man, an ignoramus, a cheat! [And he who] wrote to the king, my lord, 'Venus is (…) rising in the constellation A[ries], [does] not [speak) the truth (either). Venus is not yet visible! Why does one so [deceitfjully send such (a report) to the ki[ng, my lo]rd? (LABS 72, which continues the same.)
They also never took account of precession (wobble in the axis of rotation of the earth) which makes vernal equinox to move one degree every 72 years (pic related).
Also gotta love significant difference between God of Isaiah and God of Platonists:
>Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."
>Proclus ET 13 "Every good tends to unify what participates in it; and all unification is a good; and the Good is identical with the One."
>"Goodness, then, is unification, and unification goodness; the Good is one, and the One is primal good."
And Heraclitus as if inbetween both of those:
>"God is day night winter summer war peace enough too little, but disguised in each and known in each by a separate flavor."
>"To God all is beautiful, good, and as it should be. Man must see things as either good or bad."
>Ecclesiastes 7:14: "In the day of prosperity be joyful, but in the day of adversity consider: God also hath set the one over against the other, to the end that man should find nothing after him."
I think ultimately division of good and evil, happiness and unhappiness is huge misunderstanding of the primordial order and chaos. As long as people keep tying themselves to division of Angelic order, they are never going to live in its favor, because we have to accept all of the bestowed fate, without complaining. Same goes for omens of the stars. There are no good or bad omens.
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e900fe No.161597
>They also never took account of precession (wobble in the axis of rotation of the earth) which makes vernal equinox to move one degree every 72 years (pic related).
Since image server is not embedding the image for some reason, good riddance i posted source on vernal equinox on another board >>>/fringe/137392
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0fcf06 No.161632
>>161595
The omen for today, the Autumnal equinox, Regulus above the Eastern horizon as dawn begins to break, in conjunction with Venus as Morning star.
This rising point is borderline with Virgo, but as the Spring equinox now rises increasingly in Aquarius so the Autumnal in Leo.
>>161432
Also note in Persia Regulus was known as Venant
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8e1012 No.161641
>>161366
>men becoming full blown women
Men can not become women. Every cell of their body is male. Their brain is structured and processes differently than a female brain. Their DNA is so different that we are like two different species.
>If we are all suffering from one disease, we should at least properly explore it to understand what kind of disease it is.
At least they are aware they are diseased.
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4473d4 No.161666
>>161641
People usually don't talk about it, but critical theory of gender was strengthened by people taking Hegel, his phenomenology of the spirit, and twisting it in such a way, that it would allow to express "gender", feminism and other theories allowing to deconstruct nuclear family values. Sometimes they add to Hegel Spinoza and Nietzsche, to strengthen nihilistic existentialism of said philosophy.
There's a core corpus on how modern thought is functioning, and from where it grows its legs. If i tell you for example who contributed heavily to this line of thought, it would be easy for you to disregard all statements made by them, but not to cancel the cultish popularity of their thought, that is criticized even by their own pupils, in a religious vein that listener is always less intelligent than a person who formulated a theory. Hence you don't hear full philosophy of "gender", but rather empty exclamations for power.
Spinoza claimed that every human being seeks to persist in his own being, and that principle of self-persistence is basis of his ethics and politics. Hegel strengthened it as desire for recognition, extrapolating upon Spinozistic point, as in to effectively persist in one's own being one needs to gain condition of receiving and offering such recognition. However where Hegel talks about spiritualistic point of such view (where my opinion stands for Neoplatonic recognition of Reason-Principle your entire soul got emanated from), confrontational socialists take it for granted to take same approach for studies of self-reflection as individual. Hegelian argument is put towards Foucaultian direction, to produce and to "deproduce" the notion of the human. Recognition is being treated as a way for human subject to achieve psychic self-understanding and acceptance. It becomes a demanded right. They appropriate Hegelian notion of recognition, recognition is a normative ideal, an aspiration that guides clinical practice, emphasizing its ek-static structure and make it compatible with the model of over-inclusiveness. Then they under such philosophy promote that only inclusion, the avowal of what was disavowed, "owning", could allow the that otherness a place outside the self in the realm of externality, could grant it recognition separate from self. Frederich Engels used to say such people want to "turn smut into theory", and they were pretty successful in it in higher society and universities. But the effect of spiritual philosophy on psychological framework is just as unseen in outside world as with followers of religion being in lesser intellectual grade than its masters.
Its not about DNA, brains or science. Its about twisting model of spiritual philosophies and apply them to promote inclusion. While at the same time denying underlining religious notion of its fundamental basis.
What they ignore is that not every "Other" inside ourselves is sane, orderly and dry enough to co-operate on same level with the rest of society. Not every genus needs a recognition. Or we'll put lowest demons and material desires on pedestal, while higher Intelligence will lie in a mud of history, as it does now. Pantheon was regulated for this very reason, and bacchants were reformed to rewire lowest forms of otherness. Even the reason why christianity is so tied to cult of Venus is to regulate recognition and filter society's eventual development (it didn't work, working with jews reinstalled their sethian behavior into it anyway, thanks to Hammurabi inspired Law, instead of Egyptian morals, that are true basis of new testament). As for Venus, yes, men born from it have feminine daemon, they themselves aren't females, but their inner Other is more akin to woman characteristically, it explains whole submission to spirit of the valley, femininity of men who worship "Mother of the Gods" that Iamblichus pointed out, and forgiveness of thy enemies, feminine acceptance of suffering and obsession with love. Its all some deep root of ancient prostrated God who serves, but also inevitably connected to all life and is busy getting Her hands everywhere, but not everyone is Her fish.
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47a4c3 No.161669
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>>161666
>satan get for the win
>twisting model of spiritual philosophies and apply them to promote inclusion.
Hegal dialectic induction of lower base ideals to support society concepts is a hella slippery slope.
Video related
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67558a No.161673
>>161641
>their DNA is like 2 different species
It's one chromosome you retard. One single chromosome of difference. And since men have an X chromosome they actually have all the DNA needed to make a fully functioning female, just the Y chromosome turns off a few genes and turns on some others. You don't know what you are talking about
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8e1012 No.161674
>>161673
You are missing millions of lines of code when compared to a sea slug. You are (questionable at this point) not the same species as a sea slug, are you? You are also missing millions of lines of code compared to your female counterpart. There is no way that a 'woman' could ever come from a man because you guys are lacking the DNA and data richness to make a woman. Modern science treats males and females as different species when it comes to treatments, therapies and drug manufacturing. It is time to acknowledge that 'we are not the same' at all. Women are much more 'data rich' than men are when it comes to genetics and just like the sea slug is to you, men are to women.
Also, the difference between you and a retard is also 'one chromosome difference'.
Maybe…lol
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67558a No.161677
>>161674
I know men and women are biologically different retard because a small change of genes cascades into a huge difference in phenotype but it's not "millions of lines", there arent even lines of code in living creatures. Humans have at most 30000 genes you smoothbrain. Data richness is not even a medical term, you just made it up because it sounds smart
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8e1012 No.161681
>>161666
>As for Venus, yes, men born from it have feminine daemon
I don't believe this anon. I believe that those are the 'lesser spirits (silver)' you referenced earlier. I don't know how many homos you have ever been around in your life (it seems not many) but they are not feminine in the slightest.
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8e1012 No.161683
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>>161677
>For most of the past century, drugs approved and released to market have been tested only on male patients, leading to improper dosing and unacceptable side effects for women. The important physiological differences between men and women have only recently been taken into consideration in medical research. Emergency doctor Alyson McGregor studies these differences, and in this fascinating talk she discusses the history behind how the male model became our framework for medical research and how understanding differences between men and women can lead to more effective treatments for both sexes.
we are not even remotely similar, anon
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67558a No.161685
>>161683
No no, I'm sorry. I was just scrolling through the board and I saw someone acting like an authority on genetics and giving out false information, a personal peeve of mine. I didn't realize this was the flat earth thread, otherwise I wouldn't have bothered. You people are unreasonable. Good day.
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75bd23 No.161702
>>161669
>Hegal dialectic induction of lower base ideals
Its a problem with philosophy as a whole. Descartes as least didn't discarded notion of a God when wrote his meditations. Proclus renamed all Gods into "Intelligences" and "Reason-Principles" and his works were copied by Christians later. Iamblichus went into another direction and applied everything: Gods, Archangels, Angels, Daemons, Heroes, Archons, a whole empire of hierarchies inbetween egyptian/orphic theogony, chaldean theurgy and all new gnostic stuff. Because of that he's even more difficult for a modern reader than Proclus.
>>161681
Honestly everything spiritual is androgynous, complete. Its characteristics we tend to bind to feminine or masculine behaviors because we got used to see Gods depicted as men or women specifically, and apply biased view on what's appropriate for each. Venus has feminine and masculine shades, but its masculine aspect always suffering, sacrificing itself. Spirit has no sex, that sounds more appropriate in both initial creation and division of human prior ensoulment of the body, and can actually be exploited. In hinduism what's supreme is called being beyond realm of any dualities, and so duality of sex. Demiurgic Intellect of iamblichus also doesn't have definable sex unlike lesser Gods. If dual-nature of Phanes is what was in the beginning, then its humans who are subject to division, not Light God having two sexes at once, but each of us missing the other side. But that i am talking about God. Not the infinitely descending Spheres of Intelligence contained within, of which Sun and Morning Star are just Actors. When it comes to sexuality only genuine anomalous mental attraction to same sex can be a defining point, not what is happening now with youths jumping the new fad train.
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8e1012 No.161717
>>161702
> its masculine aspect always suffering, sacrificing itself.
You mean it is perpetually killing itself via unproductive and deviant behavior like gays do? That doesn't seem productive in any way even for a Godly character. I am going to have to retain my feminine spirit, thank you very much, since I have no desire to be masculine in any way. Besides males are not creators and they do not have the faculty of the feminine spirit for mucking about in creation. That is one of my favorite quotes from Isaiah is his last few prophetic lines in the book of his name about males attempt to possess the feminine soul and how their worm burns forever and will never die and that these same priests/angelic hybrids are an anathema to all living things when they are done performing the abominations on Earth that they are trying to bring about. They 'achieve' an aspect of it, but it comes with eternal damnation as well because they are not constructed to handle the forces of creation. I liken it to males trying to dabble and bathe in the fires of Mordor and live…
>66:24
>[The LORD] "As they leave, they will look upon the corpses of the people who rebelled against me. For their worm (their soul) will never die, and their fire will never be quenched; they will be abhorrent to all humanity,"
So theft from God is not something that is ever forgiven and it causes one to be abhorrent to all life for eternity. Enoch also references this same event in his book with slightly different imagery. There is a reason why people are instinctively totally repulsed by homosexuality.
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69bac7 No.161728
70 Faces of Divine Shekinah are Sons of God.
>Deut. 32.8 also refers to the 'sons of God' (implicitly seventy, deriving from the seventy sons of El)
From another website:
>According to Canaanite literature, the god El begot seventy sons through the goddess Asherah: "{El} summons Asherah's seventy children." He summoned his sons to his council (known as "the council of El") over which he presided.
From Wikipedia:
>Hebrew: בני האלהים, romanized: bənê haĕlōhîm
>The phrase bn ilm ("sons of the gods") is also attested in Ugaritic texts, as is the phrase phr bn ilm ("assembly of the sons of the gods")
>In the Ugarit corpus it is suggested that the bn ilm were the 70 sons of Asherah and El, who were the titulary deities of the people of the known world, and their "hieros gamos" marriage with the daughters of men gave rise to their rulers
It is also known from Thirteen Petalled Rose book as "Assembly of Israel":
>It is thus that the sacramental body of Knesset Israel (the "assembly of Israel"), the whole of the Jewish people, is conceived to be at its root the same as the Shekhinah. In other words, Knesset Israel is identical with the inner content, the essential holiness, of the world as a whole.
>Divine service in the world is divided up, with each human being, like the primordial Adam, put in charge of a certain portion of God's garden, to work it and keep it. It is said that in the Torah there are seventy faces which are the seventy faces of the divine Shekhinah, and that these contain six hundred thousand faces in accordance with the number of primary souls of Israel, so that every individual soul has a certain part in the Torah. In other words, each soul understands and does things in a way not suitable for another soul.
>The Sefirah of Malkhut, or the Shekhinah, represents the divine power as manifested in reality, operating in an infinite variety of ways and means. It has seventy names, each expressing another aspect, another face of this all inclusive Sefirah. For Malkhut is the seventh of the lowest Sefirot and, as the last, also includes in itself the entire ten; in other words, it expresses all of the Sefirot, each in seven different forms; so that seventy is the key number to the unfolding of the Ritual of the evening devoted to Malkhut and to the Shekhinah which Malkhut represents.
Also Jacob begotten exactly 70 souls, which are 70 Elders of Israel (which are mentioned by Josephus):
>Exodus 1:5 And all the souls that came out of the loins of Jacob were seventy souls: for Joseph was in Egypt already.
>Numbers 11:24 And Moses went out, and told the people the words of the Lord, and gathered the seventy men of the elders of the people, and set them round about the tabernacle.
>Numbers 11:25 And the Lord came down in a cloud, and spake unto him, and took of the spirit that was upon him, and gave it unto the seventy elders: and it came to pass, that, when the spirit rested upon them, they prophesied, and did not cease.
And apparently it means "Wine" too:
>The Kiddush cup symbolizes the vessel through which, and into which, the blessing comes. The numerical weight of the letters in the word for drinking cup (kos) is the same as that of the let tern in that name of God expressing the divine revelation in the world, in nature, in law. And into the cup is poured the bounty, the wine that rep resents the power of the blessing of the word "wine," whose numerical equivalent is seventy, which is also the number of Sabbath Eve. Wine then evokes the bounty, the great plentitude and power ; and red wine especially expresses a certain aspect of the Sefirah of Gevurah, which also has an aspect of severity and justice.
And then Rabbi goes onto describing Malkhut as "five petaled rose", and cup of wine expressing Shekhinah (reminder Greeks mistaken them for Bacchants):
>Thus after one has poured most of the wine into the cup, a little water, symbol of grace and love, is added to create the right mixture, or harmony, between Hesed and Gevurah. After the filling of the cup, which is now the vessel of consecration containing the divine plenty, one places it on the palm of the right hand in such a way that the cup, supported by the upturned fingers, resembles or recalls a rose of five petals. For one of the symbols of Malkhut is the rose. And the cup of wine, thus expressing also the Shekhinah, stands in the center of the palm and is held by the petal fingers of the rose.
Gen 6:1-4 May also be important. Because some Jews consistently believe they are still governed by 70 Sons of God, who are also Assembly of Israel and breeders of earthly women in bygone times. But they are also "faces" of Divine Presence, hipostasies associated with Venus. And somehow they are sons of Jacob also. They are also in other sources said to be seventy guardian deities of the nations.
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b583c0 No.161804
Jews:
Blood Passover Arial toeff:
https://bloodpassover.com/
Red Symphony
https://docdro.id/awxXfEB
Manosphere/red pill
Smart and Sexy Roderick Kaine [men are smarter than women]
https://atavisionary.com/free-book-smart-and-sexy-the-evolutionary-origins-and-biological-underpinnings-of-cognitive-differences-between-the-sexes/
Sexual utopia in power F roger devlin
https://dontmarry.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/sexualutopia.pdf
The manipulated man estar vilar
https://dontmarry.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/the_manipulated_man.pdf
Conspiracy
The lifting of the viel [about vast pedo conspiracy controlling the world]
https://www.docdroid.net/Dh4yQ08/the-lifting-of-the-veil.pdf
behold a pale horse, bill cooper
https://docdro.id/oSSjjeB
Imaging 9-11. All the popular media, like comics, which predicted 9-11
https://docdro.id/sjfan7a
>the following are both available at cia.gov, cause they found it at some mahamadeen compound. Not linking directly there though for obvious reasons.
bloodlines of the illuminati
https://docdro.id/CRTbzb0
The conspirator's hierarchy Dr. Coleman
https://docdro.id/tBlM2rv
Spiritual/kooky/blahblah
https://www.lawofone.info/
Alien disclosure
https://www.docdroid.net/192biis/cosmic-disclosure-full-transcripts.pdf
2150 AD [reincarnation fiction]
https://docdro.id/ercmHPd
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db6ee1 No.161865
>>161717
>people are instinctively totally repulsed by homosexuality
Its also why its anomalous to the majority, when a man losing all control for admiration of a form similar to himself, rather than completing him, because he believes he gets completed by a man, rather than a woman. If we take malakas/ephebois in their feminine nature their completion comes from attunement to feminine submission, and they take joy in adapting to this, since its nature of their daimon. Such servility is extremely specific intellectual action, and cannot be compared to animalistic urges of desire to breed. And if we take men who are attracted to handsome androgynous men, wouldn't that make their view of the beauty differ from straight men? Because we associate images of Gods or reason-principles from who we came from with images we find beautiful and pleasing, because we are attuned to original form of primordial Deities/Intelligences those forms resemble.
Our sexuality can be influenced by initial divine emanation. Standards of perfection manifest in attraction to forms, and influence human behavior. Therefore there must be determining expression of sexuality resembling inside initial reason-principle of the soul. And it can easily fool the host. I know enough husbands submissive to their wives, and enough closed gays who love tomboys or muscular women. One can divert the attraction to specific forms, but cannot escape fated behavior completely.
I must remind you that jewish law that introduced stoning of gays was never invented by any god, unless cruel murderous one. Jews themselves only recently started to rethink homosexuality, i checked dates and only rare cases of some Rabbis in 80's in reformed jewish communities, not orthodox ones, started to support it. Meanwhile Kadesh, the word for male prostitute, "male who is set apart", was masculine version of sacred prostitutes of Asherah temples. Their own encounter with homosexuality was the one established by religion coming from mesapotamia and Inanna's temple traditions. So their fight with homosexuality was part of the fight against astrological/polytheistic cult, they are inevitably linked. Maybe idea of Sodom was born to scare the Babylon inspired Canaanites, since they masturbated on idea of all their enemies being destroyed in similar way, eventually with Israel itself going down for almost two thousand years.
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805465 No.161869
>>161804
DocDroid is run out of Germany and deletes anything that goes against the jewish narrative. Don’t use it as an archive. Move ALL of your files away from it. Now.
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e76024 No.161872
>>161865
>I must remind you that jewish law that introduced stoning of gays was never invented by any god, unless cruel murderous one.
They are stoned for their destruction and havoc in society (since they have no offspring to care for or investment in the future they are free to pursue 'intrigue' rather than participate in the building of civilization) as well as pedophilia and the destruction of the male form. You must love what is happening now in society if you love homosexuals. They are the number one enemy of humanity.
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c82de0 No.161879
>>161872
>You must love what is happening now in society
Why i quite enjoy people not getting killed for things not really deserving death like some jews think, i also enjoy being able to read what i want and say what i want. I know God loves everyone, to an extend when it gets ridiculous to humans, even the jews. Hence He eventually forgiven them for their transgressions after much suffering from people who did to them same they've been doing to their own. And Israel is now reestablished under completely different people spiritually.
I genuinely believe nationalists misunderstand age of Haniel, the technological age of Angel of Victory. We're right now on equal terms with everybody exactly because our new God given liberating laws are better than the ones before them. You cannot control the natural order, you must learn to work with it and adjust and respond to it.
But we can lose the liberal rights at any moment if we dare not to protect them. Life's a race, reignited anarchists and commies destructive to order aren't sleeping.
Heraclitus said this on human law:
>"The laws of men derive from the divine law, which is whole and single, which penetrates as it will to satisfy human purposes, but is mightier than any law known to men. Defend the law as you would the city wall. Law gives the people a single will to obey."
All law and rulership is from God, and all things come in seasons.
You know it from Ecclesiastes 3:1-8 too.
From time to time God puts one Angelic reason-principle over the world, or another. In a way lodge of Luxor speaks volumes about human history and way its "seasons" work. We right now live like in times of great thinkers and writers. It may be invisible to us, but season will pass. What next? Next dark age when we brainwash our children to be mean? Those people are going to burn internet like Library of Alexandria, and destroy high culture drowning it in filth of upcoming supremacy. You want that, instead of development of stable humanity? That saying no one can stop whatever God decided.
If somehow jews are indeed plotting making white race into outcasts, we'll just become new jews. And eventual regress will open door for defiance. At price of liberty and freedom. But maybe that'll be to protect us from inevitable Deus Ex Machina, who are neither us nor jews are main builders, but chinese communists.
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e76024 No.161882
>>161879
>Why i quite enjoy people not getting killed for things not really deserving death like some jews think
This is very evil anon. People do not 'kill people without a reason'. Raping minors and children is a reason to kill people but so is spreading disease, undermining nations, as well as murder and gang rape. You are siding with what is evil without understanding the logical conclusion of that evil. I am very glad that I will not be living in a world of your making since it will be a literal Hell that simply never stops producing anxiety and torture.
Also, you stand is the jewish stand. Not White. You are the jews (in every last aspect of their murderous cruelty and vile behavior) not White.
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97c732 No.161908
>>161882
Same book that said to kill gays said its okay to rape your female slaves, even if she has a husband:
>Leviticus 19:20 And whosoever lieth carnally with a woman, that is a bondmaid, betrothed to an husband, and not at all redeemed, nor freedom given her; she shall be scourged; they shall not be put to death, because she was not free.
And i need to remind you they kept non-jewish slaves in total bondage:
>Leviticus 25:44-46 Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids. Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession. And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour
Can you imagine how much freedom a jew is offered with his slaves, when even law doesn't matter to offense applied to them?
It also says okay to kill children for cursing their parents:
>Leviticus 20:9 For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.
There's nothing just about this, nor death for sexuality. There's a good foundation on why murderous intents are persecuted. After all, a murderer is also put to death.
Freedom of gays is part of general freedom of population, and even if you don't accept them, they are necessary sacrifice of heterosexual hegemony in order to ensure general freedom of speech in society. Because in any society with freedom, you will have sexual diversity, because people unleash their inner world instead of keeping it under a veil of lying.
For all the talk about reason you also forget they are human, it takes to know humans to not repeat old screencaps and consider everyone is the same. Stereotypes are cancer.
There's little one can do without bound of compassion. Only to repeat same mistakes. Because after all, i understand now why Germany was into Sethian symbolism rather than anything related to Venus. Everyone who's unable to comprehend depths of human behavior and divides, can only serve angel of death. We must love, and its not going to work without it. Without restoring pre-jewish level of ethics and reason its impossible to do anything, since price of service to Seth is your own death.
I am not going to be fooled by worship of jewish law under the guise of going against the jews. Its an old debunked story. Some people are born following one form or another, they cannot disavow their own nature. Desiring to murder them is not going to make you pure, you'll fill your entire heart with it.
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aca985 No.161915
>>161908
It is not ‘death for sexuality’ anon. It is death for causing physical harm to others. Homosexuality is not ‘sexuality’ it is the act of harming other using sex as a weapon. It is the very opposite of ‘love’ it is hatred to defile and injure another human being in a manner that was designed to bring about procreation or union. You can’t seriously think that to men can form a union, can you? Why don’t you try putting two negative magnets together end to end and see what happens…it is repulsive (not just in the deed but in the physical reality). Men are not women. You are not ‘completing’ anything when you abuse and destroy the body of another man or child by using it in a way that it was never designed to function in. Also if you are advancing the idea that there are ‘no standards’ then your standards of behavior cannot logically be imposed on me either or alter my own belief.
Also, lmao (I don’t know what fucking translation you are reading; but that quote is insane):
> 20 “‘If a man sleeps with a female slave who is promised to another man but who has not been ransomed or given her freedom, there must be due punishment. Yet they are not to be put to death, because she had not been freed. 21 The man, however, must bring a ram to the entrance to the tent of meeting for a guilt offering to the Lord.
So being a manwhore with a slave should not result in the slaves death. If she had claimed rape, he would have been killed and she would have gone free. Because it was consensual even though she was promised to another man, she is physically punished for her infidelity to her promised husband. The whole purpose of this law was to keep men from murdering women slaves who were coerced into sex by their owner. If this law was not in effect the woman would have been murdered under a infidelity law for sex outside of marriage (this is extremely damaging to the woman’s future happiness with her husband and will cause lots of problems later in terms of his ability to trust her and her ability to love and be loyal to her betrothed).
The point of taking a slave ‘forever’ is that you can’t dump them like a hot rock when they are no longer ‘useful’ to you. If you are going to take slaves, you will be responsible for their care, health and well being forever and ever, wether they are useful to you or are a total drain on your household. This clause is to discourage people from taking slaves, not to encourage people to take slaves. God is concerned for the slave in this scenario and he want to make sure that people cannot take them and abuse them (this is basically capitalism) and dump them when they are too old to be useful.
What planet do you live on where you think it is appropriate to curse your mother or your father? Why would you curse your own flesh and blood anon? Fuck that is disturbing…they have given you everything! Sacrificed everything for you, given up all their time and knowledge and personal pleasure to raise you? But you think they should be cursed to illness, death, Hell or ruin? You are so fucking globohomo anon.
Freedom of faggots to harm is not part of ‘general freedom’ at all, what a hideous fucking suggestion that you all have the freedom to hurt and injure others…you are deep, deep into evil anon. The anus is not a sex organ anon! Not only are you defiling the male form but you are causing all of extended society to have to ‘care and finance’ your own personal perversion and deviant Death Cult behavior.
I would happily ‘sacrifice’ them to ensure the freedom of the heterosexual world though and a functional civilization. Indeed as I have pointed out MANY TIMES children should be tested for homosexual tendencies when they are young and exterminated if these tendencies are found in them before the have a chance to wreak too much havoc on the planet through deviance.
This is also the function of purging your ‘angel’ (confused fallen) DNA from the planet through eugenic culling of what is evil from the Earth.
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aca985 No.161916
>>161908
Stereotypes are a function of discrimination which is a function of Life. You cannot exist without discrimination because it is literally a inseparable function of living. A lack of discrimination would result in immeadiate death of an organism. A rabbit who cannot discriminate between itself and a fox is dead…just like you anon. You, due to your contaminated DNA cannot discriminate between what is good (Life; living behavior) and what is evil (death; deadly behavior).
> Everyone who's unable to comprehend depths of human behavior and divides, can only serve angel of death.
No anon. People who do not divide are the people who serve the Angel of Death. You do not discriminate between what is deadly behavior or torture (gang rape, slavery, pedophilia) and what is Living behavior. You THINK that you are serving what is ‘good’ but you are totally deceived in every way. It is the woman’s job to defend and protect the house and the planet…but life under globohomo will kill us all and result in the death of all living things on the planet. You lack the discrimination to continue life, which is why you run after disease, rape, and injustice through negligence of duty.
This is why no matter how much you ‘pretend’ that you are female, you are never female, because you are too weak to have standards and judgment.
This entire answer demonstrates that you are evil at heart and the opposite of loving. What you are pushing is deviant and hateful.
>desiring to murder
At its most fundamental you do not understand Love at all. I do not ‘hate’ you, I love what deserves my protection more than I care about your ‘freedom to degeneracy and vile filthy behavior’. You do not have the right to push this same filthy deadly behavior onto people or onto little children or onto your victims.
YOU ARE REJECTED COMPLETELY, ANON FOR DEVIANT AND DEADLY BEHAVIOR THAT IS HATEFUL RATHER THAN LOVING
Also, stop making shit up and posting false verses when you post the Word of YHVH.
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aca985 No.161917
>>161908
Last, it is you globohomos who brew the cup of disease and death for humanity precisely because you REFUSE to discriminate in anyway between the living and the dead. Since you think ‘discrimination’ is ‘evil’ you proceed to mingle what is DEAD with what is LIVING and to do otherwise is classed by you AS EVIL. This is the hallmark of a servant of the Angel of Death and the hallmark of HIS DNA. If you stood for Life, you would carefully parse out what is deadly and discard it for the abomination that it is…you are like a whore that will feed her family anything that she runs across (a piece of dogshit, poison berries, a piece of roadkill, a piece of fried chicken) you have no ability to THINK about what you are doing or the end result of those actions because you don’t DISCRIMINATE and everything you encounter or that occurs to you falls under the umbrella of ‘love’ and ‘goodness’ rather than Righteous Judgment.
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236c44 No.162079
>>161632
Well anon, i don't know if astrology will ever help you right. If anything this giant space clock is sum of all stars, just like God is sum of all Angels.
I'l let you into something, there's a teaching in India that is similar to what i find as perfection (from Mysticism in Shaivism and Christianity by Bettina Baumer):
>Advaita does not mean non-difference but only non-separatedness from God. The soul after release still continues to exist as soul without merging into Siva. The soul now enjoys its nature which is sivatva or siva-bhoga. The released soul enjoying the nature of God as its own, delights in being a devoted servant of God. The soul has this transcendent experience of the Bliss of Siva, when the obscuring powers of the mala are neutralized and rendered impotent. Mala continues to exist but without the sting of its veiling power. The nature of mala in the pdsa and that of pasu as sat-asat make for self’s transcendent experience in siva-bhoga in which Siva ‘experiences’ Himself so that the self may experience Him. This is the feature of the ‘existential’ root of Saiva Siddhanta doctrine of the ‘eternity of the three in mukti too.
>The soul now enjoys its nature which is sivatva or siva-bhoga. The released soul enjoying the nature of God as its own, delights in being a devoted servant of God.
>Though there is the absence of duality at this stage yet separateness remains manifest so long as a total merging does not come about. The devotee always likes to maintain his separateness, a sort of distance from the Lord in order to relish bliss with its numerous facets untihthe bowl of emptiness becomes completely full.
>“ Divine service in the world is divided up, with each human being, like the primordial Adam, put in charge of a certain portion of God’s garden, to work it and keep it ” ( The Thirteen Petalled Rose, p. 76).
Same goes for Krishnaite Bhakti movement (from Living Theology of Krishna Bhakti Essential Teachings):
>“Bhakti, or devotional service, means engaging all our senses in the service of the Lord, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the master of all the senses”
>From a time immemorial (anādi),49 forgetful (avidyā) of its constitutional position as the eternal servant of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the conditioned soul searches diff erent universes for a happiness separate from the Godhead’s. In each lifetime, the conditioned soul is provided a material body from among the 8.4 million “species”50 in which to enjoy sense gratifi cation, but also repeatedly suffers birth, death, disease, and old age (samsāra). This seemingly endless transmigration ends with the revival, through the grace of devotional service (bhakti), of the soul’s dormant Krishna consciousness. Freed from the conditioning of actions (karma) performed under false bodily identified cation and the rebirths that are their consequence, the liberated soul returns home, back to Godhead.
But that's not all:
>Siva comes as the preceptor {guru) in order to instruct, teach and give the souls liberating knowledge. Out of his boundless love, He becomes tangible to terrestrials. Anugraha is His nature. Love is His being. Tirumular declares that there is no difference between God and Love.
>It is however to be noted that both in atma-darsana, self’s insight about its reality in contrast with not-self, and in ‘Sivo’ham’ bhdvand (Siva is ‘I’) , pasutva still endures although imperceptibly with seeds of duality. The self recovers its ultimate reality by totally surrendering its egoity through its encounter with God
>The ultimate aim of the grand Divine plan of the universe is the liberation of the soul through a shower of grace. Siva hides the truth from the soul, projects the world as the field of its experience in which it evolves spiritually and finally He emancipates the soul through His grace.
>The Divine chooses to reveal Itself in Its own way at Its own time to the person chosen by It, when he is therefore drawn to It in rapturous love.
From "Mystery beyond the Trinity":
>Just as there are a few who know how to see through the illusory tricks of the juggler and are not mystified by him, so also men can learn to overcome the universal Maya (illusion) if only the Lord is gracious to them. They can never escape from Maya, without His grace.
>>161917
Feel a little bit compassionate to people, everything seems wicked when you're brainwashed by jewish literature. Nothing does when you know true nature of the soul. You cannot do better in this life than just enjoying it, in peace with God, and letting others enjoy it too. You gain experience and recognition of forms and that's what you are. Be a little kinder.
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2da865 No.162166
>>162079
>Be a little kinder.
That is insane advice.
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0fcf06 No.162184
>>162079
Astrology greatly helps me because i was born beneath the sign Antinous and thus the Divine incarnate, this is borderline Sagittarius-Capricorn and all the five planets of classical antiquity were assembled in close proximity, extending to Ophiuchus above Antares, thus what could possibly go wrong?
What you consider secret, despite the various accounts, relates to the self awareness of one's self as the Divine, the identification with greater self, which if it was generally desirable would be far more common, but there is no particular reason it should be, so i think better people just stick to normative self identity
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413473 No.162195
>>162184
>i was born beneath the sign Antinous and thus the Divine incarnate
Anon, you're divine only when you can tell of action of the Divine Spirit in you in the first place, not because you was born under some specific star. I'd rather first have affirmation of any divinity before checking star signs, many people are born under same constellation at the same time all around the world. They are not equal to you just because you were born at the same time. And how you're going to tell if they are all divine, and not some of people born at the same time being just a filler, and you lucked out to be the one alive? That hebrew rabbi, writings of who i posted for posterity, was right that there is a limited amount of Angels, it explains limitation of daemonic phenomena and lack of inner controller in certain people. It can get more existential than you think.
>What you consider secret, despite the various accounts, relates to the self awareness of one's self as the Divine
Deceit of "various accounts" is important to note. There must be a better way to deal with Divinity than tall tales:
>Heraclitus Fragment 104: What discernment or intelligence, [he says,] do they possess? They place their trust in popular bards, and take (the) throng for their teacher, not realizing that 'the majority (are) bad, and (only) few(are) good
>Polybius 4.40 … it would no longer be proper to use poets and mythographers as our evidence for things of which we have no knowledge - a policy adopted by our predecessors in the majority of matters! - offering untrustworthy sureties for facts that are disputed, as Heraclitus puts it… (Cf fragments 40, 42, 56, 57, 104.)
There are obstacles on the self-realization. Especially of one's own origin. For example majority of western religions believe in one god, but that one god is always personal for each. During polytheism times it was easier for people to attune to imaginative personality of the divine that they are actually emanated from, in case of catholics cult of saints fulfills this role. But its more complicated. Sometimes a man can live a life believing hes possessed by a Spirit of a God people surrounding him believe in, because he has some initial predetermination for worship, but then he may mistrust that Spirit and find that maybe that Spirit is believed wrong, and start hating all people around himself for "believing wrong", while not realizing himself he acts totally against values of said Spirit, both in personal actions because of developed hate, and because he's own actual Daimon acts against him. It creates an illusion of sinister heretical behavior while daring to call heretics others. Its a deep hole from which its hard to get out, unless Daimon literally breaks from the other side, by constantly making a person to contemplate mistrust to Spirit he's not born form, that mistrust first forms from logical deduction, and then proceeds to question metaphysics, but still remains loyal because of delusion and predetermination of loyalty. That's the moment when, because of divided soul, human torments himself between loyalty to non-belonging religion, and listening to far more advanced Inner Voice. It splits apart consciousness until it completely rejects first religion and starts searching for meaning in other sources. But sometimes, even if reality defies his believes, right in front of him, he may still not trust it, get mad with fear or blame a scapegoat for any phenomena. Until his desires lead to complete breaking of all taboos, then he will lose his belief and become an atheist, losing attunement to popular religion completely. But only for a while, until he finds where his soul lies, and explores his own psyche. The heart of planted seed that is impossible to uproot, that generates psychic pain when uprooting is attempted. One could call it Inner Eden, garden of which is cultivated by your daimon.
Where hasidic jew applies it to awakening of ones own jewry as "my medium is a different medium", same can be applied to all divine emanations, including the ones associated with celestial bodies. Ancestral blood plays a role in it, but its pointless if one lacks active element of emanated reason-principle to be alive. Good ancestral blood and divine soul is a fortunate combination, because soul is not going to fight against its own heritage in imperfect vessel and its not necessary fully realized while experiencing world of generation. We may as well enter this world from different entities and not from an all perfect Whole, but rather of some participating Intellects. And psyche generates itself according to some pre-written law in it. The whole "soul goes where it knows" of kemetics makes total sense, that no matter what obstacles are encountered, living people will be behaving accordingly to the laws of Gods they are born from, and not according to popular beliefs.
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e2228e No.162218
>>162195
There is only one God because it is yourself that you reflect on. Pagans simply acknowledged the personal relationship more readily but in truth they are saying the exact same thing. You are God in relationship with yourself.
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0fcf06 No.162296
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>>162195
So rather than just personal Astrology the objective reality must correspond with the subjective interpretation, i think that's true.
But as for self-realization i would go about things in the opposite manner, outward looking rather than inner, as in the instance you realize the objective whole you then realize the self, or rather lack of, which is highly perilous and a Divine life-line would be required to survive
It's a question of one's ability to perceive reality, or perhaps align perfectly with the Mercurial Daemon at which point you're seeing the proverbial Matrix and aware of your own total integration, perfect connectivity and instantaneous communication,, this condition could be taught and arrived at quite rapidly, but i would recommend against, unless the stars are favorable and provide balancing factors.
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414b12 No.162357
>>162218
>You are God in relationship with yourself.
I want to repost Fludd's Mundus Intellectualis to illustrate right point. Even if its damaged by christian world imagination. Mind you without our argument no intellectual progress on the topic can be made.
First of all, in the beginning there was Intellect. Without Intellect nothing can exist. That Intellect couldn't be anything other than One. It couldn't be many initially, even if its known as many after process of creation and division, because it needed recognize itself first. That recognition of God's own Self gave birth to Light inside the dark void of non-being. We call this Intellect "Logos" in greek tradition. This Intellect is capable of producing multiplicity of things, as well as of its own Intellect, that it perceives within limits of influence. Spheres of influence are known either as Gods or Angels, depending on tradition, but point remains the same. Participation within certain "Angel" is participation within separated Intellect of God, that keeps orbiting particular Intellectual behavior accordingly to level of participation in the Light. Which is limited reason-principle of unlimited Intellect. And soul of each individual human is even more limited than an Angel, participating within reason-principle that is already governed within limit. Like Matryoshka Dolls, participation is one Intellect inside another, which is inside another.
I've been repeating things i learned through reading Proclus and Iamblichus as far as intellect goes, but i also need to remind that jewish kabbalists eventually adapted same system, and Saivinist/Shaktists also view their Gods as different hipostasies of participation (there are many Shaktis and Shivas as representations of different archetypes).
I disagree on all four systems when it comes to certainty of "order" of reason-principles, you can only know as far as your Angel knows, and you rebel even against that limited intellect you're bestowed as second part of yourself. Sure you can imagine how system would work if you imagined it having certain structure, but i think even if stars represent this order, neither we want or able to read it right, nor its obvious right in front of a human to know every detail of said order, therefore any certain description of principles of intellectual order rely on a myth, and themselves as theories fall into territory of a myth. We come to completely unexpected order after dying, because of chaos created by believing in certainty of myth and conflict between myth and atheism, that was a product of inferiority of the myth.
No one is this "Absolute" Brahman directly, but rather some emanation of emanation of the Limited Intelligence. Yes, as far as human soul itself goes it represents God as if Logos of Intellect is called God in multiplicity of Gods, sons of God if you will. But limits are obvious and nobody became omniscient and all knowing from participating in Demiurgic Intellect. Therefore limit of Intellectual participation for human is like a particle of Light in larger Light, being under jurisdiction of something in between, and that "in between" is different even between living/divine part of humanity. We're reason-principles of other reason-principles. Like leaves on branches of a larger tree. And that constitutes basic model of hierarchy of participation, no one can claim he's a very Trunk, or else not just he would know as much as Trunk would know, but he would also possess every single branching intellect inside himself and have power over them, we don't because we're at the bottom of heavenly order as subjects to realm of generation, that is material world. There's also no self-realization without work of another active actor, that is beside our soul. Reason-principle exercising its power over its passive human subjects by making subjects think and feel what it wants, and develop intellectually akin to itself before leaving world of generation, that exists as a way of experiencing forms.
There's indeed a Cherub guarding a man from becoming God Himself. That Cherub is a "limit".
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442ab3 No.162405
>>162357
Appeals to authority without evidence?
Also, Fludd's own cognitive intelligence ends at his brainpan (as in the photo). All that comes afterward is his own imagination or flight of fancy. While I might respect his scholarship (study of the words of other men and the structure of his personal belief), I also implicitly understand the origins of the 'priesthood' and its function on this planet. If you want to convince me of any hierarchy or authority it would have to have more material evidence than something that is generated in the mind of a man to reinforce his own perceived authority. All I see is a man's justification for his own position on the planet…which as I have said before holds little to no interest for me.
<without our argument
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Whose argument?
Also I simply can't be this limited. I could understand the appeal to men because they actually are that limited, given their origin in a hierarchical structured (crystal/frozen) system but that holds no appeal to me in the slightest nor does it have a function in my own origin.
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4cd218 No.162419
>>162405
How can one give material evidence on immaterial? The true allegory of venusian movements, and why they were perceived by ancient Egyptians as source of afterlife, is that they are in between "being" and "not being", since there is no rose. The movement itself is a drawing, a celestial art, just like the rest of the universe. Our view on reality depends on its perception. The image of Divine Painter changed depending on viewer's emphasis. For one rose exists, for another it doesn't. This perception is affected by outside sources, ultimately ending up with affection of the Divine rewriting outside sources by moderating human fate.
Time is a product of movement of the stars, and they are neither stopping nor developing new movements, living according to order of cosmic clock, manifesting predetermined destinies.
Stars ultimately dictate existence of authority, just like everything in the universe, from its own logical construction, reality where human mind is adapted to perceive the Divine in form of messages.
And God is the background of material world, where material world manifests as a shadow of immaterial universe. Not the image, but Spirit behind the image. Or simply speaking inverted dimension of pure Light of all perceiving Spiritual existence.
I wish i could plainly say that with certain perspective its possible to see the inverted universe. Once you comprehend background of creation. But its pointless to explain a person who thinks his thoughts are all his own. This Light is far more advanced when it comes in comparison with human perspective, because He bestows the perspective itself. As Heraclitus put it, humans are not intelligent, Gods are intelligent. We're nothing but a canvas. And Higher Intellect has many brushes and colors to paint with.
This subservient world exists for observation by yet developing spirits. And we play our roles as beacons of Light, traveling within temporal realm to recognize forms for development of Intellect in process akin to birth.
Personal daimons/angels as our allotted guardians ultimately shape our character and only show themselves with age and experience of understanding preliminary behavioral patterns in recognition. You cannot really escape the predetermined development of the soul, since its constantly written from outside. It requires self reflection and understanding of chaotic nature of personal soul against active reason-principle through life, whose actions don't resemble your own but some paternal development of unchanging character. Which attune characteristic behavior in both emotions and intellect. They fit within idea of zodiac, but not within framework of modern personal astrology. Anything constraining your character creates limit. Anything that can be said good about you already makes you limited to such trait. Only Absolute can be really unlimited and perfect, but you cannot say anything about it, least you make Absolute limited.
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442ab3 No.162426
>>162419
>How can one give material evidence on immaterial?
lmao…and there goes any semblance of religious authority down into the toilet where it belongs. There is only 'You' and 'God' and no other intermediary or 'story' that will work to explain my/your experience.
Nothing else.
Speculation and opinion are where all these belief systems actually belong not as 'authoritative' treatise.
Your argument is that some ideology can be manifest in the material realm while not actually being capable of manifesting itself.
I am sure that you can see how fallacious and incomprehensible this is to someone who does not partake in your personal belief system.
If it is incapable of manifesting it is only your experience over my own and why would I value you over my own experience. In all honestly I could not comprehend your experience any more than you could comprehend mine.
You cannot 'live my life for me' and to expect this much is a state of VAMPIRISM on Life not one of religious enlightenment.
Thus we are at an impasse.
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bf87b2 No.162431
>>162426
>There is only 'You' and 'God' and no other intermediary
Nah, i can understand your point believing this way, but your point hides higher mystery. There's enough people who viewed Spirit of God as singular rather than multiple. In previous thread another anon was more prevalent on multiple vs singular. Its this conundrum of One and Many debate. For One can be seen as Many, and Many as One. Ultimate problem of dualism is that. If we take all stars as allegory for angels and intellects, as a singular system, then God is a hivemind. Both One and Many. Divided and United. At the same time, which human would view as paradox because of primordial division caused by dualism. The message of this had been a leftover in the old testament (God addressing himself as multiplicity of Beings, as well as Abraham welcoming God as Three Angels), which is partly caused by jews merging all their deities into one to manifest world twisting yahweist corpus, that is now part of the whole western spiritual legacy. I think neither One nor Many counts, since core experience still leads to personal One. There's a good reason i interchange Angels, Daemons (daimon, character, fate) and Reason-Principles. If God is emotional, each emotion would be limited reason-principle, and not whole absolute. If God discerns sphere of Spiritual rulership, that rulership becomes separate reason-principle, part of a whole. Each Intellectual action would become its own movement, as emanation from Perfect in Itself. That's where structure of hivemind is emerging. Creation of invisible structure comes from discerning of imagination of Superior Intellect. But that Superior Intellect obviously holds whole myriad of Intellects together, in fact, as a memory inside imagination of the Whole. And in all honestly each individual spirit and soul are nothing but a memory, a collection of data, constituting both behavioral patterns and collected memory on its own.
>In all honestly I could not comprehend your experience any more than you could comprehend mine.
Its good that you reflect on your experience at all, anon. Its a right thing to do.
>Speculation and opinion are where all these belief systems actually belong not as 'authoritative' treatise.
I agree with that. I'l reflect on this problem myself. I started to see problem with mirroring older religions together, because their myths for how much many they are, aren't reasonable to gather as wisdom about non-corporeal matters that must be superior to mythos, unless similarity of tales based on stars, since all those bards and muse listeners are astronomers. They are only as good as to discern modern mythos as same key problem of western spirituality, rather than abuse older myth as if superior to new one, or newer one as superior to older one. Point remains the same regardless of time and place, its all temporary.
Maybe that's why our knowledge is so inferior to Hindu one. They treat their puranas as mere tales, we treat our myth as to believe in under fear of death. Where realization of imperishable in superior systems is all philosophical and existential spiritualities, not mythical naive tale worship.
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aa74e4 No.162448
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>>162431
My point hides a higher mystery?
There is no higher mystery anon. God is not hiding from us for that is impossible or it is not God. How can you find fault in me for something that you are incapable of demonstrating? Isn’t that fault yours, or at the least a fault of your belief system since proofs are laid on you to demonstrate, if you are correct? In this way as well is it not ‘the people’ who are at fault for not understanding ‘the higher mysteries’ rather your own fault for not making them clear? Children have lots of imaginary beliefs that must give way to reason as they grow. For your system to hold the ‘light of truth’ it has to be made manifest here and we have to be able to reason about it together. FOr TRUTH is not apparent only to one, or to a select group, but rather, it can not be disputed at all for it is eternal and self existent. By the nature of Truth, if I can come to another conclusion or disagree with you it is not eternal or Truth at all, and therefore not part of the nature of God. This precludes their being any ‘mysteries’ at all for God is not hidden but rather God is pervasive in all things.
God does not have to be multiple to accomplish unity on an individual level. God simply has to be ALL, thus both are fulfilled. And how could it be any other way? For if something exists outside of God then they are not God at all but rather a limited hang out that can only pose as order or One.
Dualism is irrelevant. There is no such thing except in lower dimension than our own. It is nothing but a foil to keep people from functioning at full capacity in our own system. By its own nature, dualism is not present in 3D but rather is only functional in a 2D environment.
> which is partly caused by jews merging all their deities into one to manifest world twisting yahweist corpus
Ahhh I think I see your issue with this one. In every sense of the word God is only an instruction manual for being ALL in a particular location. The jewish God (Y [hand] HVH [Havah/Eve; the Hand Who Makes Life]; the mother of the Living) as well as all we know of other God’s is an instruction manual for operating in this space. She is not ‘the territory’ anymore than a map is the territory. Neither the words of the jews or their actions have any effect on the ‘territory’ as they are only the map of the places and thoughts of that specific people; while they are ALL they are also limited by the function of God and their own perceptions (I may have to refine this since it is off the cuff and I am not on the computer so the text box is minuscule). I have no problem with Havah/Eve/YHVH btw I will never stop loving Her.
>it is the right thing to do
I laugh when you patronize me. Just so you know :^)
You must really miss Mr Satan since he was capable of giving you a run for your money.
>Astronomy
Astronomy is only lightly valuable to me. It is like a liver cell celebrating that it is ‘IN THE LIVER’ due to its understanding of its own position, thus it is a natural limiter on understanding. Much like those Angels and Demons function as hinderances to comprehension rather than facilitators. They too are limited by their own understanding. Which is fine, I suppose, if you wish to be limited by a hierarchy rather than comprehension of ALL. By placing a definition on things you limit its realm of influence. In this way you have chosen your own prison by choosing the limits of your own understanding. You understand why Enoch said that the Lake of Fire was a ‘terrible/terrifying’ place? Because the limits of his own comprehension needed something to provide him with separation from ALL. I am going to examine the rest of your comment when I am home, this screen is too frustratingly small.
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d1a4cd No.162459
>>162448
>Much like those Angels and Demons function as hinderances to comprehension rather than facilitators.
>You must really miss Mr Satan since he was capable of giving you a run for your money.
Can you point out why exactly am i satan himself for believing in Angelic principles as in participating intellects of a God? Literally every single religious system has them at least as levels of participation in divine Whole, or as actors:
>A much more elaborate or rather better documented Kaula system of KalI worship is found in the literature of the Krama. The outstanding characteristic of this tradition is that it worships a sequential rather than a simply concentric pantheon. A series of sets of deities (cakras) is worshipped in a fixed sequence as the phases (krama) of the cyclical pulse of cognition (samvit) . These phases are Emission (srstikrama), Maintenance of the emitted (sthitikrama) (also called Incarnation (ava tarakrama), Retraction of the emitted (samharakrama) and the Nameless fourth (anakhyakrama), also called the Phase of the Kalls (kalrkrama), in which all trace of the preceding process is dissolved into liberated and all-pervading consciousness. . . . External worship is greatly simplified and looked upon as inferior to worship in the mind, it being understood that the order of worship (pujilkrama) is no more than a reflection of the ever-present order of cognition itself (samvitkrama).
As you see in Kali cult emitted incarnations are those phases of reason-principles, that all trace to All Pervading consciousness. Some jews treat Angels as levels of participation in YHWH.
Abhinavagupta on division of partless phenomena as "appearance of partlessness in parts":
>If it is objected, "How can there be division of one phoneme 'a' (into 16th and 17th kaliis), for 'a' which is anuttara is partless?" We reply, "In our system, everything is partless, being non-different from the light of consciousness." Just as, through the unimpeded autonomy of Siva, even when parts appear, partlessness of Reality is invariable, even so is the case with 'a'. Where is the inconsistency? Thus the propriety of the development of phonemes is maintained, because of the appearance of partlessness in parts. Otherwise (on the occasion of utterance), how can the air whose nature it is to produce impact successively through the dental, labial, guttural, palatal phonemes strike the palate after having struck the throat? If it were to spread simultaneously in all the organs' of articulation, then there would ensue simultaneity in the utterance of all the sounds.
>The Lord assumes these states (or: phenomena) which are held in His shining Self by His own light by veiling Himself, that is to say, He manifests by adopting the state of this-ness (ie. objectivity) whose nature is insentience. Then again He encompasses all this objectivity with I-feeling.
>Each of these (phonemes, varna) will then stand for a different moment in the gradual condensation and solidification of the energy of the Word, and will bring successively into existence each of the thirty-six ontic levels, the tattvas, of which the entire manifestation consists
On Intermediate Consciousness:
>Therefore it (the nirvikalpa sarhvid or indeterminate consciousness) abides undivided among the endless determinate percepts. The interval between the two determinate ideas can by no means be denied because of the difference between the two ideas. That interval consists of consciousness only, otherwise (i.e. if consciousness is not present in the interval), on account of the extirpation of the residual traces of consciousness caused by that interval or gap (devoid of consciousness), memory, congruous link, etc. between the consciousness preceding the gap and the consciousness succeeding it would become impossible.
>Determinate perceptions do not arise without the indeterminate consciousness [nirvikalpa samvid] because they lack the freedom for emerging by themselves. This freedom belongs only to indeterminate consciousness, for it is only indeterminate consciousness that serves as means for the recollection of the conventional .signs, etc. How can the recollection of conventional signs, etc. be possible without the experience of indeterminate consciousness? In such consciousness, according to the previous principle, there is the absence of the limitation of time, etc. Thus the one divine indeterminate consciousness (pratibha) defined by my weighty statement is of this kind, i.e. of unlimited nature, the very Self of all. Not only in the beginning and the end but in the intervening state also, she is the origin of the emergence of the other present, past and future determinate apprehensions.
>Pratibha (Hindi : प्रतिभा) is a Hindu Sanskrit Indian feminine given name, which means "genius", "ingenuity", "light", "intelligence" and "splendour".
Source: Abhinavaguptas hermeneutics of the absolute
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442ab3 No.162499
>>162459
>You must really miss Mr Satan since he was capable of giving you a run for your money.
Oh. Wrong anon. Sorry about that. Sometimes being anonymous is annoying. Mr. Satan is a different anon from earlier in the thread. Not you.
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352281 No.162571
Recently I've been reading the Oera Linda Book https://www.oeralinda.be/
It's very interesting to see what's written as the Magy and Magyars, which I assume would be Magi. The text insinuates that they seek to make people worship gods of their own creation, especially real people like Minerva, Odin, Thor, etc.
I'm interested to hear anybody else's interpretations of it, and what it says of Wr.Alda.
What I find interesting is that it's a religion based on holy fire, similar to Zoroastrianism.
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b37a67 No.162633
Something to contemplate about. I've been thinking why jews expect wealth from Venus, as if they instead of Love associate it with riches, like them synagogue merchants. Apparently i found this in Talmud:
>Said R. Hanina to the men who related what was written in the diary above: "Go and tell the son of Levi, that the fortune of a man does not depend upon the day, but upon the hour he was born in. One who is born in the hour of sunrise will be a bright man; he will eat and drink of his own, but he will not be able to keep secrets and will not be successful in stealing. One who is born under Venus will be a rich man, but will be lascivious, because fire is generated under Venus. One who is born under Mercury will be bright and wise, because that star is the scribe of the Sun. One who is born under the Moon will be sickly or troubled. He will build and demolish, will not eat and Saturn will have all his thoughts and aims come to naught; and others say, to the contrary, all aims against him will come to naught. One who is born under Jupiter will be a righteous man, and R. Na'hman bar Itz'hak said he will be very devout. One who is born under Mars will be a man who will shed blood. He will either be a surgeon or a robber, a butcher or a circumciser, said R. Ashi. Rabba said that he was born under Mars. Said Abayi to him: "Thou, Master, reprovest men, and whom thou reprovest, he dieth; hence thou, also, sheddest blood."
So for them being born from Venus doesn't mean genuine duality of love and lust, like i viewed it form pagan perspective, but instead materialistic wealth and lust.
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a03046 No.163128
I feel there's something i am missing on seven pointed Vitriol when its concerning Heptgram. Heptagram, the seven pointed star, seem to fit into musical theory, since ancient babylon.
>The Law of Seven or law of octaves, according to which phenomena evolves in seven steps; and the Law of Three, according to which phenomena are produced by three forces, are presented by Gurdjieff as global laws appearing on all scales and essential to his cosmology. This cosmology offers a view of how the world operates said to derive from alchemy and more ancient sources, and to complement or complete modern experimental science rather than to contradict it. According to this cosmology everything is material, including consciousness and spirit, and all matter can be assigned a "density"; consciousness and spirit for example having lower "densities" (and therefore higher "vibrations") than, for example, water while, for example, rock has a higher "density" and lower "vibration" than water, and so on.
If seven main cosmic bodies (Sun, Moon, Mars, Jupiter, Mercury, Venus, Saturn) constitute main divine harmony affecting the human psyche the most, our solar system is a number of harmonious "strings" playing us like a fiddle.
I also included small pdf on babylonian heptagram constituting a dial.
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0fcf06 No.163402
>>163128
It's better to consider the seven as only the planets excluding the Sun and Moon, with the Earth as the eighth in terms of the Octave, and the Sun as centre a ninth.
Also the Planets should be considered as two groupings of six in terms of dualistic qualities were Mercury has the potential to correspond with either, a system of thirteen.
Thus corresponds to six Quarks and six Leptons and a Master particle having qualities of both constituting the basis for the field of elements,.
The young Horus must determine which aspect of the six to align with.
>O Hablaba ! deliver me from hell-beasts and from purgatory-demons and from water-penalties , and from pots that seethe, from fire and ice, from the snare of the planets, from the plots of the planets, from the slaying of the planets and from the seven hell-beasts , the chief Levier of dues and the children of darkness.
>And the Seven sit in consternation They weep and prolong their mourning Because their mysteries are disclosed, Because disclosed are their mysteries. They will be brought to an end
On the great Last Day.
>Then, when she reacheth the Seven Mysteries, servitors of the Seven go forth towards her. They come and surround her and question her and say to her, "O soul, whence comest thou and whither goest thou ?'
I say to them, "I come from the Body, the name of which is the Earth and I am going towards the Good Consumination ". They say to me, "Whose servant art thou and whose envoy art thou called ?'' I say to them, "I am the servitor of the Beloved Consummation, and the envoy of the vast Ether"
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f30c6f No.163417
>>163402
>I say to them, "I come from the Body, the name of which is the Earth and I am going towards the Good Consumination "
Man, them Orphites were indeed egyptian inspired. This sounds strikingly like:
>This is the work of Mnemosyne. When he is on the point of dying toward the well-built abode of Hades, on the right there is a fountain and near it, erect, a white cypress tree. There the souls, when they go down, refresh themselves. Don’t come anywhere near this fountain! But further on you will find, from the lake of Mnemosyne, water freshly flowing. On its banks there are guardians. They will ask you, with sagacious discernment, why you are investigating the darkness of gloomy Hades. Say: “I am the son of Earth and starry Heaven; I am dry with thirst and dying. Give me, then, right away, fresh water to drink from the lake of Mnemosyne”.
>And to be sure, they will consult with the subterranean queen, and they will give you water to drink from the lake of Mnemosyne,
>So that, once you have drunk, you too will go along the sacred way by which the other mystai and bacchoi advance, glorious.
Another tablet had this passage on "heavenly race":
>““I am the child of Earth and starry Heaven; But my race is heavenly; and this you know yourselves. I am parched with thirst and I perish; but give me quickly refreshing water flowing forth from the lake of Memory.””.
Best part of this is that there's extremely similar after-death thing found in Upanishads (like in Kaushitaki Upanishad for example):
>When a man reaches [the moon, the moon] asks him, ‘Who are you?’
>He should answer: ‘From [the moon] far-seeing, fifteenfold produced, From the world of the fathers, ye seasons, semen was produced.
>Speed me then forth into a male who fashions [offspring], And by [this] fashioning male into a mother pour me.’
>[Or else:]
>‘I am he who is bom and is reborn Like the twelfth or thirteenth month Of a father who has twelve or thirteen parts. This do I know, this do I understand. O seasons, Lead me to [the land of] immortality!
>‘Through this truth, through this ascetic fervour I am a season, a son of the seasons.’
>‘Whe art thou?’ [asks the moon].
>‘I am thou.’
>It lets him pass on.
Its always same story of celestial bouncer-guardians expecting a man to say a code-phrase who you are to pass you into after-life club. At least in Instructions of Merikare it is found that soul comes to the place it knows. And jews believe soul goes where its fathers are:
>Rabbi Zeera said: All the souls go forth and are gathered, each man's soul to the generation of his fathers and to his people. The righteous with the righteous, and the wicked with the wicked, for thus spake the Holy One, blessed be He, to Abraham: But thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace " (Gen. xv. 15). And when the soul goes forth from the body,5 then the righteous come to meet them, and say to them: Come unto peace ! One verse says, Therefore, behold, I will gather thee to thy fathers, and thou shalt be gathered to thy grave in peace " (2 Kings xxii. 20).
But then code thing found in three regions at once is an interesting find.
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0fcf06 No.163437
>>163417
It's Mandaic text, and generally they considered the seven planets as born of the spirit of the Earth Ruha Qudosh, the Holy Spirit, and that this had become disconnected from the greater Heavenly Light, and looked towards rehabilitation.
>The Qur'an uses two terms "Ruh-Allah" and "Ar-Ruh-Al-Qudus" for the Spirit of God. Such is the case in the following references: "We gave unto Jesus, son of Mary, clear proofs [of Allah's sovereignty], and we supported him with the Holy Spirit [ar-Ruh-al Qudus],
In Mandaeanism, this name refers to an evil female spirit allied with the Jewish God (whom the Jewish call Adunay). They believe that Ruha d-Qudsha founded Jerusalem and, together with her sons, the seven planets.
They thus considered Jerusalem and the Jews as manifesting all the negative aspects of the seven planets, based in darkness and ignorance, that the spirit of the Earth in darkness was the consort of their God Adonai, the Sethian nature.
http://www.gnosis.org/library/ginzarba.htm
https://egnu93.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/the_secret_adam_drower.pdf
The connection of the inner-Earth/Underworld Goddess to Jerusalem can be traced back to the Hurrians and the cult of Suwala/Allani, who like Ruha had a somewhat ambiguous nature, and that is reflected in the choice that the Harpocrates child deliberates over.
https://journals.pan.pl/Content/82350/mainfile.pdf?handler=pdf
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a1303a No.163489
>>163437
Right. They are not evil because we all know that Semites and Arabs never do anything evil. But rather something from heaven is evil. How droll.
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c8f80c No.163494
>>163489
There's no evil anon. All people do everything according to the nature of their soul. According to law of order written in the heart, which is bestowed accordingly to reason-principle assigned before birth. Both blood and stars have a play at forming this assignment. Its not a question in how "evil" jews are, they survive and their ways survive, that's what matters to them. Need for racial survival is completely logical within framework of spirit being influenced by ancestral lineage. Jews literally channel that ancestral lineage, believing even reading their scriptures alone is magic, hence all the obsession with putting specific numbers everywhere for invocation purposes within undefended mind.
>>163437
I should share with you "Yahweh and the gods and goddesses of Canaan" book by Day, John.
Page 185 says about Mot, and equates him with Sheol.
https://1lib.eu/book/2644847/39e27b
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0fcf06 No.163500
>>163489
They blame Ruha the spirit of the Earth for evil, and also relate the Jordan river as her emergent spirit that is of Sethian inclination, thus they seek to fully immerse themselves in this Sethian flow of consciousness and ascend to the opposite bank, depart the Spirit of Earth and re-unite with the Ether.
A somewhat negative approach grounded in the rejection of Earthly delights and based upon a false dichotomy, the essential nihilism of the Sethian
>>163494
Mot was their equivalent of Nergal who was more a causer of death rather than the personification of such, through mining and forging of weapons, he forced his way into the underworld through mining and decided to keep the Queen of Hell company, introduced a certain amount of toxicity into the emergent stream
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197ff0 No.163507
>>163494
I would argue that people go against the will of their “souls” all the time. There are many times where people act against their own natures. Take addiction to anything for example. People go against their own best interests in a compulsory way to quell an unnatural desire for something outside of themselves.
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dbf02f No.163518
>>163500
>rejection of Earthly delights
That's a big word to say. I'd put it simply as reject of nature as a whole.
From Plotinus "Against Gnostics":
>Further, why should god pay this providential favour to all of you while neglecting the entire cosmos in which you yourselves reside? If it is because god is too busy to pay attention to the cosmos, then it is not licit for him to be paying attention to anything that is beneath him. And if god is paying attention to them, why wouldn’t he be directing his attention outwardly and in particular paying attention to the cosmos in which they reside? But if god does not direct his attention outside of himself and so does not watch over the cosmos, then he is not paying attention to them, either.
And:
>But they do not honour this creation or this earth, claiming that for them a ‘new earth’ came to be and that they will actually pass away from here to there, and that this ‘new earth’ is an expressed principle of the cosmos. But why do they feel the need to come to be there – in the paradigm of a cosmos that they despise? And where does this paradigm come from? According to them, immediately after the paradigm was produced its creator inclined towards the sensible world. If, then, there was present in the creator himself a great concern to create another cosmos after the intelligible cosmos that he possesses – and why should there have been? – and if the paradigm was there before the sensible cosmos, what is the point of creating it? [They will say:] in order to put the souls on their guard. How, then, does that explain anything? The souls were not put on their guard, and so it was created in vain. If, on the other hand, after the sensible cosmos already existed, the creator drew the paradigm from the sensible cosmos by stripping off the form from the matter, for those souls that had already been tested, there would have already been an adequate test for putting them on their guard.
>>163507
Again it would be good to quote Plotinus from the same treaty.
>If someone commits a murder or is overcome by pleasures due to an inability to control himself, is it surprising that these moral errors are committed not by an intellect but by souls that are like immature children? And if in a training ring there are both winners and losers, why should this not be true in life as well? If you are wronged, what danger is there to your immortal part? Even if you are murdered, you got what you wanted. And if you are now set on complaining about the world, there is no necessity for you to remain a citizen in it. And it is agreed that there are penalties and punishments here, so how can it be right to complain about the world-city that gives to each what he deserves? Here in this world-city virtue is honoured, and vice receives the dishonour that befits it
Same can be applied for addictions and self-destruction for sake of it.
There are all sorts of lives out there, but the idea of desiring perfection in life choices comes only to few who train it from being divinely inspired to do fated deeds and not waste away. Virtue is a work of intermediary reason-principle of the Divine inside, waste of life is an immaturity and chaotic nature of personal soul. Some don't even participate in the divine, filler knows no virtues.
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0fcf06 No.163540
>>163518
The Mandaeans are interesting because they appear to have purity spiralled away from Judaism but retained the Sethian background, in the way they associate themselves with the House of Life they could even connect to that original Egyptian element that emerged from that institution and conceptualized Israel,
they retained hardcore knowledge in garbled form.
For example the cult of the date palm as it had related to Enki, the wellspring of the Abzu, the Tanna matrix as the Pegasus square, even the baptismal rite related to the crossing of the river ordeal, an aspect of the cult of rhe daughter of Enki, Goddess Nazi, that providing the original basis for other worldly origins and aspirations.
It's like they decided everything and everyone on planet Earth was retarded including it's inner Goddess and they determined to leave for the planet of the Fish people by any magical means necessary, the proposed trajectory involving the purity spiral.
I think the inner Earth Goddess generates crazy Sethian notions through the river Jordan for fun
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98289f No.163784
>>163540
>I think the inner Earth Goddess generates crazy Sethian notions through the river Jordan for fun
Well you see, supra-celestial reason-principles that we associate with planetary activity, should it be Mother Earth or Venus as Goddess, are obviously superior to anything physical because everything physical is limited, and within Godhead's imagination this world seem too constrained to actually represent nature even of human intelligence, not even talking about supra-human intelligence. Yet it is a recurring notion of such intelligence returning as phenomena in religious and occultist worship. Goddess we're speaking of is neither Earth or Venus, but should be considered a Spirit after all. Visible celestial objects are just symbols.
♄ (Saturn) must have another aspect to its "stealing" nature, when combined with destroying the feminine aspect. Heraclitus says most beautiful harmonies are created from opposition, and that we know "good from evil" like "health from sickness". And its the very illness of the bodily faculties that are associated with Saturn by Bruno. So attribution of all sin to Azazel in book of Enoch, which from books of magic attributed to Solomon is known to be associated with Saturn, one could describe Azazel (scapegoat of Levictus chapter 16) as ill willing destroyer.
♀ (Venus) however is also associated with Lust (because there's "fire burning under Venus" as jews say), as a left-hand/dual-nature of Love. Inevitable outcome and Eros/Himeros Aphrodite's retinue/Angels of greek tradition.
Now, we know from alchemy already that Sol (☉) + Venus (♀) is ascension hermetic code of God as Light and Love aspects. And Moon (☽) + Mercury (☿) is Hermes Trismegistus. Here's a good question, what would be ♄ + ♀? There's one book that describes the logical explanation of behavioral patterns caused by it:
>Gospel of Mary 7:13-16: The Saviour said, 'Sin does not exist, but you are the ones who sin when you do things which are like the nature of adultery: that is called sin.
Consider this just a scholarly contemplation on the subject, rather than literal belief in any words of Magdalene or my general contemplation on gnostic nature, which i do not really subscribe to myself. But it fits within combo of two supra-celestial reason principles, destruction and lust as separate, when becoming whole, producing real nature of sethian adulterous sin that is associated with stealing, not giving.
And so, Cuckoldry, Adultery, Desire of another man's wife, Adultery as submission to something that isn't God or going after idols (because idols are vanity that's stealing God's fame), Rape, especially stealing of virginity and purity, attempt to "take" sex by force and contemplating ownership of one's freedom, including "stealing" of one's life through murder or abortion is all befitting Azazelian habits, with some of them in a vein of ♄+♀ combination of behavioral patterns attributed to damaged view of venusian lust. I quite humbly believe nature of true sins of lust lies in applying "stealing" aspect of Seth to more pure Venus. Satan is also known as first murderer, therefore "stealer of life", hence all true sin is within Azazelian reason-principle.
The problem here lies only in one single thing. If we follow this pattern that all sin must be in nature of "stealing", then there should be reasonable lust without "stealing". And this is where non-sinful levels of lust should be contemplated, including the possibility that prostitution is natural institution as long as it isn't done in adulterous behavior neither by participant nor by a client, because of promise of total loyalty by unironically magical pact of marriage, which includes a vow. Maybe that was the point of forgiving prostitutes in the first place, since they haven't really sinned themselves, only according to jewish patriarchs. But this can only be said of Qedesha and ethical temple institutions, or sex before marriage that is common in society. Because as soon as pact of marriage is filled, there's now a vow that can be "stolen".
Of course this sounds more like an apology on part of hookup culture of millennials, yet i am clearly seeing distinction between Saturnalian debauchery and separate Venusian habits of whole society. Usually among the inferior races stealing, rape and murder are common traits, while sex itself can't be evil, if anything its natural.
So i disagree on "crazy sethian notions" being produce of the Goddess in question. They are clearly different.
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0fcf06 No.163811
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>>163784
There are natural checks and balances within the planetary archetypal system, the cyclic degradation of Saturn is countered by the cyclic reproduction through Venus and the counter balance of maintaining integrity through Jupiter, both of these require the desire of Mars and the mind of Mercury.
Venus is only ever the object of desire never the personification of such, her moving in mysterious ways ensures the continuity of life.
My point was that these archetypes are entirely generated within humanity through Earth energies and flow of consciousness and that includes the Sethian which is all those archetypes in negative manifestation.
The inner Earth Goddess Allani considered responsible for such always generates the stream of consciousness in conjunction with the principle of Ishara, which is refinement and potential rejection of emergent thought, to consign the unworthy thought back to the underworld, this is the same as per Eris and Aneris, the generation of choice and potential discord.
http://dergiler.ankara.edu.tr/dergiler/18/941/11714.pdf
That internal decision making can be conditioned through external influence, moral teaching and culture to were making the right choice becomes second nature, the constant rejection of unworthy thought leading to a decrease in their emergence, the development of critical thinking.
The Sethian embraces and acts upon all evil thoughts and rejects the very principle of refinement, thus the Liberal Education System, this is an entirely dysfunctional condition that can only propagate in parasitic form upon a healthier host culture.
The Sethian Mercury is towards self serving disinformation, lies and deception, the propagation of false and misleading religion and idealism, the Sethian Venus is the cult of secrecy and the allure of the occult, the seduction of the individual towards their mysteries, the Sethian Mars is perverse lusts and desires that are destructive of the individual and society and non-procreative, hatred rather than love, the Sethian Jupiter is the establishment of their own evil and oppressive doctrines and the Sethian Saturn is the subversion and degradation of all that is good in the world.
The two outermost planets Uranus and Neptune should perhaps have their positions reversed, but the Sethian principle of Enki and Neptune is the generation of the evil creature, the base Sethian breeding with the higher race yet retaining it's evil nature and intent, the generation of an entire tribe of such.
The Sethian Uranus is that kabbalistic mystic that considers itself the Divine incarnate and the manifestation of the highest principle, whereas it has only believed it's own nonsense, as the Goddess Allani intended, who generates all potential on this planet and is seriously under-rated, a very interesting individual
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0fcf06 No.163819
>>163784
Continuing, it is the case then that not only do the planetary archetypes have negative aspects, but the Earth herself is generating evil inclinations, based upon those same archetypes which can be conceptualized as the Sethian, based upon the ethnic group that most readily manifests such.
This Sethian spirit was understood to be represented by the River Jordan (named after Kaitie Price)hat emerged from the evil aspect of Ruga Qudosh, the Holy Spirit, that same river ending in the Dead Sea as all evil inclinations must.
What then of the baptism of Jesus in the river Jordan, his full symbolic immersion in that Sethian spirit?
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a7da7a No.163825
>>163811
>My point was that these archetypes are entirely generated within humanity through Earth energies and flow of consciousness and that includes the Sethian which is all those archetypes in negative manifestation.
Congratulations, you just reinvented early judaism with their explanation of negativity of the Gods. When Book of Hiram explains Zedek, it mentions:
>Zedek for the Canaanites was the beneficent manifestation of the Sun god, its bright light revealing hidden crimes and righting wrongs done to the innocent. When the Canaanite gods were eventually merged into Yahweh, 'zedek' became his attribute. In reality the single God concept has come into existence, not because there necessarily is only one super-entity, but because all positive attributes of the old gods have been transferred into one deity and all negative attributes to a second entity we call 'the Devil'
>>163819
>baptism of Jesus in the river Jordan, his full symbolic immersion in that Sethian spirit?
Baptism was a thing prior to Christianity. And i am not talking about John "the baptist", jews themselves used baptism in waters as one of the methods of conversion of gentiles, especially their Hellenic friends. I already mentioned Epictetus giving account on that: >>160364
Don't know if they snipped their foreskin before, after or during baptism, but baptism had a place. Ritual also known as Mikveh.
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0fcf06 No.163839
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>>163825
Like Adonai-Zedek the pre-conquest Horite ruler of Jerusalem, of course we must note the difference between absolute objective righteousness and self righteousness. the way of the crocodile
Apart from the general use of water in ritual purification towards initiation the greater tradition of immersion in the living river likely traces back to the Sumerian river of ordeal, it's connection too and emergence from the underworld, and the righteous aspect of that was Lugal-era as guardian.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lugal-irra_and_Meslamta-ea
>Your river is a mighty river, the river which determines destinies, an august river where the sun rises, which nobody can bear to look upon.
>Mighty god surpassing all the gods, elevated king reaching up to the heavens, mighty god, trustworthy lord by himself, River of the Ordeal, heart of the gods, decision-making lord who hates evil, who like Suen loves justice.
The tradition of John the Baptist and Jesus thus derives from Meslamta-ea and Lugal-irra
>They are both the lords of the River, the River of the Ordeal which clears the just man.
>The seven divine powers, …… grandly established, adorned with the divine powers by the prince in the abzu, the prince …… adorned ……. The warrior qualities of Mešlamta-ea and Lord Lugal-era
>Their power is a storm which could eradicate the Land. Mešlamta-ea and Lord Lugal-era, it is sweet to praise you!
http://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/cgi-bin/etcsl.cgi?text=t.2.4.5.2#o
As represented by Gemini this was the point of connection of the ecliptic plane, and thus the seven planets, and the Milky way/Galactic plane, the ritual of the river of ordeal n Sumer was connected to the cult of the Goddess Nazi
>On the first day of the new year, a great festival was held at her temple which people from all across the land attended. They would first ritually cleanse themselves and then submit to the Ordeal. The Ordeal was a common practice in ancient Mesopotamia whereby guilt or innocence was established by the gods through the simplest means: the accused was thrown into a river, and if they survived, then they were innocent.
https://www.ancient.eu/Nanshe/
Some accounts indicate that the skulls of the guilty could be consumed by sub-aquatic fore within the river, hinting at some of the deeper considerations other than just throwing people in a river.
http://www.achemenet.com/pdf/nabu/nabu1992-077.pdf
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b37a67 No.163995
>>163839
>absolute objective righteousness and self righteousness
That's an old one. In neoplatonic terms its human perception of personal view of what's "good" vs the "Good" of the One. Righteousness of God pitted against deluded view of righteousness of humanity, but longing for every entity for its good implies the existence of the Good. Perfection of righteousness implies ascendance to perfect order, where human law is imitation of divine law.
Proclus Elements of Theology 8.1-15:
>All that in any way participates in the Good is subordinate to the primal Good which is nothing else but good.
>For if all things which exist desire their good, it is evident that the primal Good is beyond the things which exist. For if it were identified with any thing that there is, either this thing is identical with the Good, and by this identity excluded from desiring the Good (since all appetite implies a lack of, and a severance from, the object craved); or (since this is impossible) its being is to be distinguished from its goodness, and the latter will be immanent in the former and participated in by it. If so, it is not the Good, but a good, being immanent in a particular participant: it is merely the good which this participant desires, not the unqualified Good desired of all existing things. For that is the common object of all yearning, whereas an immanent good belongs to the participant.
>The primal Good, then, is nothing else but good. Add to it some other character, and by the addition you have diminished its goodness, changing it from the Good unqualified to a particular good. For that added character, which is not the Good but some lesser thing, by its coexistence has diminished the Good.
And Heraclitus Fragments 114, 44 and 33 (as in T.M. Robinson's translation):
>Those who (would) speak with insight must base themselves firmly on that which is common to all, as a city does upon (its) law - and much more firmly! For all human laws are nourished by one (law), the divine (law). For it holds sway to the extent that it wishes, and suffices for all, and is still left over.
>[For, he said,] the people should fight on behalf of the law as (they would) for (their) city-wall.
>(It is) law (custom) also to obey (respect) (the) counsel of (a single) one.
Fragment 115 has two translations, one by Robinson:
>Soul possesses a logos (measure, proportion) which increases itself.
And one by Guy Davenport:
>The psyche grows according to its own law.
Ultimately longing for absolutely right divine law is common to all men born form Divine, and having that law in their own souls. Self righteousness is a shadow of God's will, as if projected desire of smaller particle of Light of a greater Light, as if emulation. In a way the closer a person is to understanding God, the more he wants to emulate God's righteousness, the jews with their obsession bring the main corruption that you finely mentioned as "kabbalistic mystic that considers itself the Divine incarnate and the manifestation of the highest principle". That corruption is part of brahmanic cults as well, ultimate fail ironically happens at ultimate ascension, when subordinate light stops knowing its own place and equates itself in Divine rather than understanding hierarchy as unity, not absorption through literal egoistic incarnation. I've been noticing subjectivity caused by whole archetype wank, illogical non-dualism of brahman-inspired cults somehow still proceeding in worship of deity even though they are "the deity", and the end goal of such reason principle being akin to atheism.
Plotinus on that said in his treaty against Gnostics:
>Foolish people are sold on accounts such as these as soon as they hear ‘You will be superior not only to all human beings but even to the gods!’ For there is a great deal of arrogance in human beings. Even the man who was previously a humble and moderate private citizen is sold if he hears: ‘You are the son of god, but other men whom you used to admire are not sons of god and neither are the beings that they worship in accordance with the tradition of their fathers; you, however, are even greater than heaven without even having struggled to be so’, and then others join in the chorus. This is comparable to a group of men who do not know how to count; if one of them in his ignorance hears of a thousand cubits but only has a vague idea that a thousand is a large number, why would not this man think himself to be – what else? – a thousand cubits tall while thinking other men to be five cubits tall?
Easy to sell propaganda of godhood (or "divine above gods" like buddha) because of its appeal, that resumes desire of emulation of Divine principles, but failing to grasp the gap of inferiority one simply fails to achieve anything in total delusion. Cause "the distance from ape to man is that from man to god.".
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0fcf06 No.164008
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>>163995
Yes this correlates to the Right and Left hand paths, doing what is considered right or doing whatever you want, the two principles of course can be reconciled if one is naturally inclined to do the right thing anyway.
The Right hand principle was represented by Lugal Erra/Girra, the Divine flame, and the Left by Mes-Lam-taea, which indicates Mes/tree, Lam/Almond emergent, the Menorah of Israel was styled in the form of the Almond tree, sweet to the mouth and leaving the bitter taste, the waters of Marah/bitterness, and Meslam was strongly associated with Nergal, who as the Lord of the Underworld generally just did what he wanted.
So in Mandaean tradition John the Baptist is seen as the righteous representative of the Divine Fire but Jesus as representing the left hand path as self righteous Adonai consort of Ruha Qudosh
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056ca1 No.164031
>>164008
Actually that kinda makes sense. Maybe left/right hand paths of Gentile Judaism were divided between Christian/Ebionites conversions. Right upholds full law, Left discerns the law only for where its useful. John the Baptist + James the Righteous (brother of Jesus), which represent Ebionite teaching that i mentioned in this post: >>160704 Ebionites obviously baptized gentiles, but made them keep Moses law and circumcision. Meanwhile Pauline/Johannite traditions followed freedom from law from perspective of Yeshua, but didn't kept it in full glory i presume, by being drowned in mythical stories about Jesus, including all the attributed miracles and supposed virgin birth. Which are stolen from other Hellenic stories and undeniably influenced by Orphic mystery cult system.
The difference however between west and east, when two teaching go against one another, there's no tolerance. People just plainly killed each other by believing wrong, where left/right hand thing remained at religious tolerance in the east, producing tantrism.
Anon in previous thread said: >>153544
>Vaishnavism also seems to be the branch of Hinduism most reflective of the original Aryan/Vedic teachings.
If you today return to read old Vaishnavist devotional texts you'll find various excessive commandments like staying up at night being a sin, or those who don't wake up in the early morning being guilty, or advises on complexion of a woman you're marrying. Excess of "written law" is usually a key feature of all right handed religions. Agni purana having written rules about adultery and slave sex like jewish law from Levictus, just with excuses for caste system. Vishnu purana talks how great is the sin of conversing with a heretic.
So be wary of it, obsession with Doctrinal superiority can be seen between "heretics" themselves. This eventually leads to hate of everybody, because no one is following what personal ideal you're having. That's saying, some people get their fair share of security of the soul if they follow some kind of set of commandments, in attunement to deity they believe its given by, if it fits with reason-principle they are born from. Those who follow harsh rules can't understand those who are more liberal in life. So even when following strict religious code one must not fall into forcing it on everyone, and that's where main problem of western religious sphere was, which eventually "broke the camels back" into militarized atheism.
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ec3873 No.164043
Want to share something of jewish procreational theosophy.
Taken from "In God's Image" by Yair Loberbaum
Hate it or not, this is some high quality effort to enforce your religious people to breed. In other cases value of householder is usually diminished compared to virgin ascetic, jews put procreation as a holy mandate, not virginity.
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0fcf06 No.164174
>>164031
It makes sense because they were generating the Aeon of Pisces, and the primary basis of that is the Fish Anunnitum and the Rivers, metaphorically the Fish within the stream of consciousness as the basis of Sage tradition. they're deriving this understanding from Hellenistic-Babylonia.
In terms of Divine Consciousness seeming opposites are resolved in terms of going full circle, planetary archetypes do not have dual nature and function, the perceived dualism is relativistic and contextual, but for the individual this is the danger of the Power of the Ring the gold within the river.
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4473d4 No.164212
>>164174
>It makes sense because they were generating the Aeon of Pisces, and the primary basis of that is the Fish Anunnitum and the Rivers, metaphorically the Fish within the stream of consciousness as the basis of Sage tradition. they're deriving this understanding from Hellenistic-Babylonia.
To be honest its all because religious and occult astrological connectivity is ensured by astrology being primarily based from a single source, which is of course ancient sumerian/assyrian, around fertile crescent. One can easily lose himself here, but all comparative mythology points to the stars. Including survived myth-religions that didn't transcended their view of Deities above astrology and numerology. The more humanity develops reason the more such views are destroyed, least we start believing stars have souls and constellations matter. That's why judaism and hindu sects survive, because they follows logical patterns in talking about God, with theosophical approach to everything, since unaccountable evidence in philosophical vein is more mystique, while myth can be debunked at any time no matter how hard it is connected to planets and stars. You cannot tie matter and God. Since everything about "provable" nature of a real God is unaccountable.
No matter how many idols babylon made, its dead, greeks are dead, egyptians are dead too. All those civilizations are buried in deep memory. Everyone who tries to restore their religious rites applies modern approach and knowledge and doesn't know even half their rites, and its mostly practiced by people with emotional affection to idols of ancients, and not to living Intelligence of God all around.
There's absolutely no reasonable point to do research on ancient myth, knowing one myth won't replace another, and you'll just waste your life chasing legends of the past about Gods having love affairs, incest and family drama. And ancients used to believe since celestial objects follow certain patterns all the time, the intelligences above them are never changing in their ways. It is in fact absolutely materialistic approach to Divine, with no real ground to hold on, just like idea of God being born as mortals are born, or to live as they do. For Divine there'd be no point for birth and death, or being caught in time-streams.
I'd even go a step further and say i reproached concept of Daemon as Intermediary Intelligence, that is limited only by how much it learns in lifetime of a human, and not anything related to physical properties visible stars or their revolving paths, that is generated as reason-principle from soul learning more about Cosmic Consciousness, and therefore creating a line between its own intelligence and all pervading Divine. That vision of Divine becomes ever learning Daemon, if one unlinks the idea that Angels are stars one can easily assume they in fact do have level of curiosity, unlike certain jews believe, when it comes to their own Origin, accustoming to agreed form of perception of Cosmic Consciousness of the living God and comes in all possible forms in visions because its a immaterial way of communication between creation and its Creator. Therefore the true reason why God is always personal, is because Spirit of said God assumes developed form from relationship of lower and higher intellectual phenomena (kind of like you sometimes know what people you know would say about your actions, so your view of their personality exists in your mind). Therefore there are no buddhas, angels, saints, multiplicities of gods and so on, but rather traces of memory inside the Cosmic Consciousness materializing from connection of human soul locked inside flesh and God who is everywhere and everything, developing human intellect with acceptable sign to underdeveloped mind. Even spirits of the dead are memory of forms inside existing Cosmos, when they appear they are not really there. In a way true theosophical gnosis is akin to constantly developing science, but not available to everyone, hence we conclude the idea of everyone being alive is an illusion.
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0fcf06 No.164228
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>>164212
The Jews persist while all else fails because it is rewarding to be a Jew, they do whatever they want at the expense of others and never genuinely follow the rules of others.
The most powerful group in the world is thus the Anti-nomian Jews and their minions, that see every form of criminality as potential profit towards their advancement, this Left hand path approach then facilitating the Right hand establishment of Israel and their Orthodox cousins, that maintain their ideological basis.
In order to counter that here's the deal, there is no deal, number one we should do whatever we want, number two prevent them from doing so.
That requires an ideological basis, the Aeon of Aquarius, the complete freedom to act according to the better part of one's nature within the flow of the rivers of consciousness and the recognition of the pure Gold within such, because with Aquarius/Enki you return to the source and origin of better nature in the first place, that generated well intentioned civilizations and religious establishment, all that we have learned is that not all natures can be accommodated within such, and we never even wanted them to be, all that is required is re-alignment with primary intent and thus lesson learned,
Even if the old idols are dead, myths ignored and forgotten, religions failed, those were only ever the imperfect interface, Divinity itself is unchanged, and it's easy enough to construct a new and improved version with amazing shortcuts, it simply requires the desire and decision to do so, and the necessary crafting skills, like the re-forging of a sword
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562493 No.164261
>>164228
Anon, even Freemasons are dying because they stop believing in astrological theos on which their whole teaching is based. Let's theorize a bit in science fiction style: Instead of crafting new religion governments right now are interesting in crafting system of technological artificial control with help of chinese surveillance system. We're sooner become cyborgs with intelligence limiters facilitating machine god, to motivate us to be good goyim, than revive babylonian theory of celestial objects being worthy of worship. Since nobody will have patience to control all emerging extremist ideologies both left and right and true tyranny will begin when chink bugs inspire europe to digitize the population. There'd be attempts at rewiring neural system to artificial neural networks, in order to lock minds to programmable environment, not that hard to do if light of souls is in fact physical energy. Because once elites want total immortality they'll invest anything into it, and force the slave class along. This is the only way they're going to explore space, because mixed nigger mutts will be incapable of behaving, let alone be allowed to be astronauts, so digitizing their brains will be only final solution and accepted way of re-enslaving them. Because society loves total control they get imposed on, as long as it gives them social security and false sense of virtue, as well as diversity, so to preserve mutt slave class they'll have to enforce artificial means. The mandate of machine will replace the mandate of heaven.
This kind of scenario is more likely to happen. Can't enforce a god? Make a god! That's the final form of human worshiping his own creation, a perfect idol. A Deus Ex Machina fulfilling any imaginary desire without any theurgy.
Human is already superior to stars because with the potency of his craft he can make a weapon capable of destroying them. Would people born in different solar system be completely different from people born here, because there'd be no Venus, Mars, Saturn and so on? Now imagine if those "gods" are simply turn into dust. Even all famous Sun is mortal and fragile. Material things are material. True God is absolute and not limited to this universe. Because who knows if we'll dwell places where our common constellations aren't even seen from.
Not speaking of any of this as positive though. Nature will be abandoned because only this planet handled any existing nature. And human in space is a transgressor. At full of his transgression human will live on only on his craft, and not on any self reproducing god-given resource. Its a pessimistic future that jews like Isaac Asimov gave us. Anyone who'll be alive just like on dawn of humanity before space exploration be suffering indwelling metal shuttles and colonies like a rat, and city dwellers already live like ants in ant hill skyscrapers. Hell is yet to be made by human's own hands, machine based immortality will not allow you to leave this world in peace. And after all of this buildup human will still be fed that he's a fucking monkey, and not God's image.
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aca985 No.164277
>>164261
This was my exact same conclusion. They will ‘experience’ immortality as nothing more than a pathetic totally controlled slave. I feel very sorry for them. I saw their future and it was worse than anything the human mind can currently conceive of, it was a pure product of the jewish mind that they will never ever escape from and never know rest from. When you are ‘used up’ you are recycled and resurrected to repeat the worst slavery the human mind could conceive all over…for eternity. This was the goal, divergent from any reasonable or desirable form of Life.
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0fcf06 No.164293
>>164261
Well there is the choice, absolute freedom or total enslavement, the issue is being forced, and there is a conflict of interests between deep and natural control and the superficial technological imposition, and the one's advocating the latter are being driven by those same underlying forces, so who is going to win there, 13 Olympians or a cabal of 13 Jews that would control the world?
Lets consider a fable,
>According to the earliest source, Phaedrus, the story concerns a group of frogs who called on the great god Zeus to send them a king. He threw down a log, which fell in their pond with a loud splash and terrified them. Eventually one of the frogs peeped above the water and, seeing that it was no longer moving, soon all hopped upon it and made fun of their king.
>Then the frogs made a second request for a real king and were sent a water snake that started eating them. Once more the frogs appealed to Zeus, but this time he replied that they must face the consequences of their request.
The deeper powers are such that every Jew and their minions on the planet could be terminated this instance, they present no challenge to Divine Order, but the good people must realize their potential fate and determine their future themselves, well sort of.
The credibility of this depends on one's awareness of the extent to which life on this planet is controlled, to some maybe just a vague notion or silly idea, but not to others, it's a question of experience and understanding and ultimately fate.
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e0e697 No.164494
>>164261
>>164277
To be honest i ignored this thread, as i don't really care about astrology and the esotherical stuff. But this caught my attention. I think i understand your vision of the future and i am pretty pessimistic myself.
However, i have been thinking about something. As far as we know now, ftl travel is not possible and i suspect this is true and not something that we will ever achieve. In this case, this would perhaps offer a possibility for groups of people to to escape. I am not very optimistic because at first, interstellar travel which would require enourmous resorces, would be only done by alliances of nations or of very powerful megacorps. These would be controlled by jews who obviously would not permit a group of racially conscious white people to escape their totally controlled society.
But, perhaps in time, this would become more common and a group of whites could escape the solar system. It wouldn't be easy to track them if they were not transmitting themselves and if they could get a foothold in a solar system, they could after some time send out other colonies. Of course they could b pursued, but i think that as long as they don't have traitors among them to send out signals, they would be hard to detect in flight and even once a colony is established, it could take some time before it is large enough to be detected from light years away. And after that, even if it is detected, if ftl isn't possible, then it would probably take decades for any ships to reach them.
Of course, as i said i am not very optimistic about jews permitting whites to leave the solar system or to even exist until that point. But even our own solar system is quite big. Perhaps small groups of whites will be able to isolate themselves from jewish controlled society. I'm thinking maybe something like nomads, wandering the solar system, never settling in any one place for too long.
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e9a15b No.164605
>>164494
White flight never helped, i don't think it will help in space among bunch of barren rocks. This whole planet may as well be "promised land", and how we will take care of it will determine our future. FTL travel is as fantastic and impractical as flying cars.
>i don't really care about astrology and the esotherical stuff
Elites and ruling intellectuals of this world care. Not even scientific minds rule this world, but initiated into various secret societies and their occult mysteries. Together with temple class they form hierarchy of control of populace knowledge. Why they care about the occultism, even when major strides into science wanted like holy inquisition to get rid of it all? Its money. Its the reason we say their main idol is mamona.
Hindu agamas tell never to do anything without reciting a mantra, not even lay a brick without mantra. Because they believed praying strengths and blesses the object/action of praying with good will, even if that good will is part of imagined desire of human entering all pervading Intellect of God, who i believe knows everything we desire before we desire it, hence blessing and cursing something works. Orthodox priests once did a huge test on farmland, one part of the farmland they prayed upon with their chorus chants that are really difficult to understand for protestant mind, because they do have esoterical basis just like Buddhists and Hindus for their chorus. And on another farmland they cursed so hard in their pesky russian, which is extremely rich in its curses, it actually grew much worse than field prayed upon. People usually teach us not to curse and not to rise voice in judgement because it actually works not just on people, but on environment around, and its feelings that matter first, than formula of a curse. As i understand its mostly because this reality only seems stable but is affected by human desire by some meager extend of their own connection to Logos.
Now, what that has anything to do with economy to the people in fancy suits? As i mentioned earlier jews believe Venus makes people rich: >>162633
I want to add few cuts from Book of Hiram:
>What is clear from the background research for this book, is that the driving force behind the successful expansion which spread the ideas of this Stone Age cult was their discovery of the principles of trade and the division of labor. These economic ideas created resource surpluses which were used by astronomer-priests to build great temples in centers of wealth and civilization.
>So, in our terms, these astronomer-priests practiced astrology.
>They timed their procreation to the movements of their shining goddess as she smiled down on their intercourse from the sky. It must have been an easy religion to gain converts for, since as far as we could see it involved taking part in sexual orgies and, for the leaders at least, becoming favorites of the Goddess of the Bright Morning Star and thus destined to be rich and successful.
>The return of the Shekinah coincided with a period of economic and political turbulence, which happened to benefit the Jews, just as the ancient myths said it should.
>No doubt some people who read this book will want to believe that the I surges of economic success that David McClelland discovered were really caused by the stars and planets on the horizon affecting the destinies of the individuals who benefited.
>We have demonstrated that some of the main megalithic structures of the British Isles are advanced astronomical devices to track the movements of Venus and shown the huge social and economic benefits that this would have given to prehistoric man.
Hence when you search for mantras on jewtube you usually find bogus stuff for "monetary success" when those used to be chant by ascetics in the first place.
Because for those people esoterics is all akin to how a speedrunner manipulates RNG for benefit of random number generator inside game's engine, if you know the terms. They think everything occult is akin to manipulating world's code within dubious reality of imagination of the Godhead, insulting the God this way they proceed to enslave themselves to worship of economic resources. But they are the only slaves to money we will ever get, because no one stable in mind wants to be bound to cash, since hate of materialism was prominent among eastern cultures (The pride of wealth and rank brings naught but calamity (Tao Te Ching); unheeding, childish fools, by wealth deluded (Katha Upanishad)). No one who thinks of wealth and success is able to think of anything else, it becomes parasitic and drags down any possible connection with Divinity you might ever had.
Basically money keeps remaining being a god even if God is not present in their hearts. And it drags esoterics back into the play.
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ea43fa No.164738
Let me return for a second to post death "code-phrase" for a second, mentioned in those two posts:
>>163417
>>163402
There's apparently a gnostic one in Gospel of Thomas:
>(50) Jesus said, "If they say to you, 'Where did you come from?', say to them, 'We came from the light, the place where the light came into being on its own accord and established itself and became manifest through their image.' If they say to you, 'Is it you?', say, 'We are its children, we are the elect of the living father.' If they ask you, 'What is the sign of your father in you?', say to them, 'It is movement and repose.'"
Again "they" imply same guardians of hades implied by Orphic Gold tables "They will ask you"/"They say to you" is entirely similar. Almost same questions asked, and answering person refers to himself as "children". Never got this one when read it the first time in the past, now i get it as a remnant of orphic/egyptian traditions of identifying yourself in front of guards of hades.
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0fcf06 No.164803
>>164738
Yes it'a likely the two guardians of the Milky Way at Gemini do the questioning, the entrance into the Afterlife.
Also connected to the River are the planetary archetypes as colours, aspects of light, it is only at the Ecliptic and Galactic plane point of intersection could these be understood to connect to the river.
Knowledge of Life who is far from heaven:
“I have come to you, Soul
From Life above.
The Earth sent you –
He sought garments of eight.
I went into the midst of the world
I went in a garment of life
I came into the midst of the world
Unto a garment of seven I came
I received the eight
I went from there in a garment of seven
I received the eight in one.”
Quotes from the Mandaic book of John.
He brought him back up to the shore.
Spirit took the form of a dove.
She made a cross in the Jordan
and she lifted up the waters in colors,
and said to the Jordan,
“You defile me and you defile my seven sons.”
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/religionprof/2012/07/the-teaching-of-john-the-baptist-according-to-the-mandaean-book-of-john.html
The wildest narrative on the schemes of Ruha and Adonai is the Haran Gawaita, were John the Baptist is referred to as Yahia Yuhana
http://khazarzar.skeptik.net/books/mandaean/harant.pdf
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352281 No.165098
>>164293
It really does seem to be a test of will. The idea that you can find the true nature of a man when he is under the most pressure. That would be to live a live of peace and nothing pressuring you then you would grow weak, like a dodo that would be easy to slaughter because it's not ready for the danger that may approach it.
If you were a planetary will would you prefer to have children that were weak and defenseless or strong and resilient? Especially if they had aspirations of leaving you and going into the great unknown. Like a mother bird who needs to make sure that her children can fly when they leave the nest so they can live a good life.
That's if a planetary will would even permit life on it to have freedom. If it did not, then that would be extinguished. If it was something that was paramount, then they would need to make sure it would endure more than anything else.
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57b790 No.165106
On reading jewish and rabbinic literature i found at times its extremely profound in matters about God, but when texts get genuinely jewish it tends to completely distort my opinion.
On jewish morals according to Maimonides:
>If one finds a sack or a basket, the rule is as follows: If he is a scholar or a respected elder who is not accustomed to taking such things in his hand, he need not concern himself with them. He must, however, examine his own conscience. If he would have taken these things back for himself had they belonged to him, he must also return them when they belong to another. But if he would not have overlooked his dignity even had they belonged to him, he need not return them when they belong to another. If one follows the good and upright path and does more than the strict letter of the law requires, he will return lost property in all cases, even if it is not in keeping with his dignity.
>If the majority of the inhabitants are heathen, the rule is that if one finds lost property in a part of town which is chiefly frequented by Israelites, he must advertise it. But if he finds it in a public highway or a large square or in assembly halls or lecture halls frequented regularly by heathen or in any place frequented by the general public, whatever he finds belongs to him, even if an Israelite comes along and identifies it. For the owner will abandon hope of its recovery as soon as he loses the property, since he thinks that a heathen will find it. Yet even though it belongs to the finder, if he wishes to follow the good and the upright path and do more than the strict letter of the law requires, he must return the lost property to an Israelite who identifies it.
On jewish non-aggression and non-retaliation:
>I have seen in a certain book from among the books on ethics where it was asked of one of the esteemed saintly men—it was said to him, “Of all your days, in which day did you most rejoice?” He said; “On the day that I was traveling on a ship, and my place was in the lowliest of the places on the ship, [that is] among the bundles of clothes. On the ship were merchants and wealthy men. I was lying in my place and one of the men on the ship arose to urinate. I was insignificant and contemptible in his sight because in his sight I was very low, until he uncovered his nakedness and urinated on me. I was astonished at the firmness of the disposition of brazenness in his soul. As the Lord lives, my soul was not pained at his deed at all, nor was my power [to react in anger] aroused within me. Instead, I rejoiced greatly when I attained the limit where the contempt of that deficient man did not pain me and that my soul was not stirred up toward him.” There is no doubt that this is the ultimate of humbleness of spirit —in order that one may remove from pride.
This is literally "turn the other cheek around" but instead with piss instead.
On jews making ethical exception for non-jewish slaves based on "mercy":
>When Maimonides describes how an individual Jew should treat a non-Jewish servant he writes:
>It is permitted to work a heathen slave with rigor. Though such is the rule, it is the quality of piety and the way of wisdom that a man be merciful and pursue justice and not make his yoke heavy upon the slave or distress him, but give him to eat and drink of all foods and drinks.
>Cruelty and effrontery are not frequent except with heathen who worship idols.
(there's a lot of heathens who worship idols in accordance to jewish vision)
>In Maimonides’ description of the law of the heathen slave, there is a marked difference between action based on the legislative authority of God (din), and action stemming from the imitation of the God of creation.
>If an individual were to conduct himself on the basis of the strict requirements of the law, he would only refrain from treating the Hebrew slave harshly. The ethical responsibility toward the non-Jewish slave results from understanding how God is related to all of creation.
So good will of the jew towards the goyim is an ethical exception of the rule as long as jew is pressured by society to follow public ethics, and not a requirement. And jews for goyim are like gods, for they see themselves being in shoes of God's legislative authority towards them.
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3da314 No.165215
>>165098
Astute. People do not understand what is happening here, so they react with anger, fear and anxiety. Only those who can rationalize what is happening react to Life in the appropriate manner. If people could see that the Earth was a womb/factory that spawned little ‘planetary Gods’ who would have charged of their own planets they would understand their troubles and sorrows.
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0fcf06 No.165242
>>165098
A limited subjective perspective that is delusional will prove perilous, that can correlate to the willfulness of a child.
In terms of pressure the River of Ordeal test seems to have transpired at a narrowing point of the river, that could correlate to the entrance into the Underworld, a point of particular turbulence, the most difficult place to cross, a point of spiritual crisis, sink or swim, the transition from the Bank of innocence through self-righteous assertion to that of objective truth.
The Creation and Flood myth of Genesis are derivative of the Mesopotamian tradition of the emergent underground stream from Eresh//Eres/Eris as in Eres-Kigal, Queen of the Underworld, derived from Sumerian Urash, the planet Earth, though Eresh was also the Semitic name for Uruk.
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ca8076 No.165549
>>165215
Where did you learn this?
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352281 No.165577
>>165549
I learned a lot by watching Asha Logos videos of Subverted History. He mostly sticks to the facts and has resonated a lot with me. And recently I've been watching Robert Sepehr's videos. He has a lot of speculative ideas that are more fantastical than realistic, but it's good to keep your mind open and flexible so you can adapt in unexpected situations.
After watching those videos I have understood that a lot of things in fiction that have resonated with me may because they have truth backing them up.
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ca8076 No.165582
>>165577
>but it's good to keep your mind open and flexible so you can adapt in unexpected situations
You're probably right. Using only cuckchan so much while this site was shoah'd really fucked with my head. I can barely even keep up a conversation with my mom anymore.
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2552f0 No.165613
>>165577
>but it's good to keep your mind open and flexible so you can adapt in unexpected situations
One of the most underrated phrases because of hippies and their dissatisfactiory misuse of the open mind idea.
As for Heraclitus:
>In searching out the truth be ready for the unexpected, for it is difficult to find and puzzling when you find it.
Or literal translation:
>If (he) doesn't expect (the) unexpected, (he) will not discover (it); for (it) is difficult to discover and intractable.
With some commentary on this fragment by T.M. Robinson:
>My own inclination is to understand the subject of the first part of the sentence as something like 'the conscientious enquirer' (see fragment 35, historas), and to take the next phrase as catching something of both 'expecting the unexpected' and 'hoping for the hopeless,' in the possible senses mentioned above (the verb elpizein is notoriously ambiguous on the matter). The object of the discovery is most naturally taken as '[it]' in the sense of 'the truth' or 'the real' or both. As Heraclitus puts it elsewhere (fragment 123), '{a thing's?/the world's?) real constitution has a tendency to conceal itself.'
>The subject of Heraclitus' first sentence is unclear; most scholars understand it as 'one' or 'a person/ The next phrase is also obscure; is Heraclitus talking about 'expecting the unexpected' (in the sense, perhaps, of always being prepared for the unexpected) or 'hoping for the hopeless' (in the sense perhaps of 'hoping against hope' for eventual understanding)? And what, finally, is the (unstated) object of the subject's 'discovery'?
As well as:
>Our understanding of the greatest matters will never be complete.
Or from book of Zhuangzi:
>You can’t discuss the ocean with a well frog—he’s limited by the space he lives in. You can’t discuss ice with a summer insect—he’s bound to a single season. You can’t discuss the Way with a cramped scholar—he’s shackled by his doctrines. Now you have come out beyond your banks and borders and have seen the great sea—so you realize your own pettiness. From now on, it will be possible to talk to you about the Great Principle.
>Of all the waters of the world, none is as great as the sea. Ten thousand streams flow into it—I have never heard of a time when they stopped—and yet it is never full.
At the end of the day there's an ocean of confused explanations of the divine, but men tend to secure themselves with doctrinal shackles and it tends to put stops to all thinking, least Divine has grace to unshackle the one who feel secure about not asking questions. The very core of being capable of spiritual growth is ability to plow the sea, and not rest in acceptable. To ask a question, and not say you already have an answer. Answers for things can change every day like a flowing river, just like idea of a God (or any other applied notion of Logos), His Epithets and His Names can change every day from person to person from one logos to another logos, returning to the same point because every river flows into same ocean of infinite meanings as if the very existential ponderings themselves, aroused by desire of psyche, are as omniscient as the Divine. There's enough hypocrites who say you cannot grasp actions of God with reason, yet its the reason and understanding which actually grasps greatest matters, it just never completes understanding of them, for all forms of knowledge can as well be infinite possibilities, while same people rest in myths and unaccountable evidences one stolen from another. Reasonable knowledge gives greater rest, because it doesn't expect to rest anymore.
At this point expecting rest is giving up, expecting happiness is leaving your post, finding certain truth is lowering your guard for believing lies. They shouldn't say there's no rest for the wicked, they should say there's no rest of the saints. Its almost like most teachings of this world are made to get you to stop thinking, because once you do that you're resting in an animalistic bound condition.
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0fcf06 No.165631
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>>165613
The Mandaeans make a basis distinction between Ether and the concept of the Soul and Water as relating to the flow of spirit within the living creature, which would correlate to the cult of En-lil and wind related phenomena and En-ki, water based organic creation, the two aspects reconciled in Anu.
As well as the river tradition and the flow of and the collective consciousness, the Fish cult, there was also the Bird cult and the transcendence of the Ether to realize the immortal soul, this giving rise to rituals such as the Leukadian leap in connection to the judgement of Apollo, it was a giant leap along these lines that NASA hinted at in terms of the Apollo mission, the mastery of the Ether, though of course they cheated.
>The Hyperborean~, themselves, were supposed to have enjoyed a blessed, long life, during which they too abstained from eating meat, living instead upon the fruits of trees (Hellanikos, frg. 96 Jacoby). At the end of their lives, they voluntarily offered themselves to death by jumping off a cliff (Pliny, Natural History 4.89;Mela 3.37)
> It was there that Kronos, the father and deposed predecessor of Zeus, was king, and like the other versions of the Hyperborean land, it was a magical garden where golden flowers grew upon resplendant trees and in the offshore shoals
>The most famous Apolline leap was the one from the Leucadian rock, the sheer limestone cliffs on the west coast of the island of Leukas in the Ionian ea, off the coast of Acarnania. By one account, the priests of the god threw either themselves or some sacrificial victims off the rock into the sea
>The western gateway of the Hesperidean garden and the analogous Leucadian Rock thus had its antipodal counterpart in the blessed island glowing white in the light of the rising sun.
>This so-called 'White Rock' was a particular topographical localization of another cliff, found only in the lands of myth, at the edge of the world and reputed to be an entrance to the country of dreams, sleep, and death
>The god, however, was supposed to have been lenient to the sacrificial offering, who was said to sprout feathers during the descent and to be uplifted by birds, so that he would land safely in the shallow waters at the base of the cliffs (Strabo 4.5.2).
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d5d982 No.165670
>>165631
>flow of and the collective consciousness
I have developed a simple model for understanding participation of soul in Intelligence, that would be separate from Iamblichus and Plotinus, but inspired by them to an extend. Collective consciousness is an effect caused by shared faith between souls with similar flow of participation. Imagine minimum of two bubbles inside wast ocean, when they meet with each other on participated reason principle in comprehension of infinite Intelligence, they form psychic connection at spiritual level. Each of the bubbles governs bubble inside, but bubbles joined in shared reason-principle strengthen together, and grow waster from the experience, because tension between them accelerates growth of participated reason-principle.
Basically any phenomena of shared faith is a byproduct of two reason-principles meeting each other and finding similarities. And that reason-principle is governing active agent with potential growth within Intelligence. Hence monotheism is stronger than polytheism, less diversion between souls working at strengthening the spirit they submit to.
What we call God is our idea of a God, if its open for growth it continues to absorb information from human experience, yet human is a mere subject of it. There's another (you) in unconsciousness that collects received information from human experience, but uses for its own purpose, because it has behavioral patterns influenced by the numerological value or pre-built divine harmony it was born from, the true nature of a daimon, a growing Deity that analyzes its own Logos. It hides what you don't know yet, but may as well know your whole life from start to finish, if not tied by time, or at least has different opinion on any subject, formed from higher intellectual capacity of analyzing received data because not bound to bodily faculties. The more that data is trustworthy to reason-principle, the more of it gets absorbed. That reason-principle as intermediary intelligence participates in infinite Intellectual possibilities of Intellectual Logos of everything. And i can imagine there's already a base theory that the more people believe a single thing, the more it manifests in reality, when people with powerful and grown reason-principles gather within ecstatic connection. Because "Better than the sacrifice of wealth Is the sacrifice of wisdom", as in Bhagavad Gita the spiritual growth in philosophy is equal to ritual sacrifice and christian scribes knew about symbiotic phenomena too: Matthew 18:20 "For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them." Of course soul that's tied to a myth is not expected to get the meat of it. Nor i expect myth to be anything more than a limiter to science of spirituality. The bottom of this theory is that reason-principle itself may be a higher soul, not the one we perceive this world by. Therefore there's a possibility for the passive soul component actually dying out with a brain, while reason-principle remains on the outside as spiritual being, and useful to realm of the Intelligence as a whole.
Think this way. If NPCs lack reason principle, what are they according to blasted "life is a game" theory? Ingame actors. But wouldn't that also make a Player an "ingame actor" too, at least by an extend? Now how much different in you from an NPC, when it comes to being an "ingame actor"? What's not different should be the lower soul that's mortal and physical. Therefore its not a question of you being alive. But rather the one that plays you, an "Inner Controller" of upanishads, like described in Brihadaranyaka Upanishad for example.
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0fcf06 No.165854
>>165670
I think any overall theory has to be based in particle Physics, but the good news is that seems to correlate to colour theory which i much prefer, and God or White Light can correlate to the high energy Lepto-Quark
>There are six types, known as flavors, of quarks: up, down, strange, charm, bottom, and top
>There are six types of leptons, known as flavours, grouped in three generations.
>Leptoquarks are hypothetical particles that would carry information between a generation of quarks and a generation of leptons, thus allowing quarks and leptons to interact
>The quark–lepton complementarity (QLC) is a possible fundamental symmetry between quarks and leptons. it assumes that leptons as well as quarks come in three "colors"
>The X± and Y± bosons are defined respectively as the six Q = ± 4⁄3 and the six Q = ± 1⁄3 components of the final two terms of the adjoint 24 representation of SU(5) as it transforms under the standard model's group:
It's strange that particle physics came up with the standard religious model of 12 Deities set to four directions in terms of 12 particles and 4 force carriers
The unifying principle is important, but not at the expense of the 6 Quarks and Leptons otherwise known as the Pantheon, or there is nothing to unify.
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0fcf06 No.165866
We could for example consider the Feminine Olympians in terms of Quarks, Up/Athena, Down/Demeter, Charm/Aphrodite, Strange/Tyche, Top/Hera, Bottom/Hesita, maybe the Physicists just copied this.
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35723b No.165872
>>165854
>It's strange that particle physics came up with the standard religious model
Not strange at all. Astronomy came out of Astrology, Chemistry came out of Alchemy. There's certain memory transferred genetically that is related to all sciences. Alchemic and magical symbols remembered by your ancestors can appear in dreams, Jung attested to that. The mind is able to access genetic memory to certain extend, we build up intellectual capacity that may show up in later generations of our offspring. Those calculative abilities later fit in with our thinking within unconscious reason-principle. Now i am aware greeks thought this is memory of their past lives, but i am willing to believe its genetical memory instead. In a way magic works on some people because their unconscious memory of ancestors dabbing in magic arts has relation to certain symbols, therefore effects of magic on emotional state of the unconscious psyche come from emotions perceived in ancestral practice. Hence jews are mystified by numerology of Torah, because of ancestral memory triggers.
>any overall theory has to be based in particle Physics
There's also a hologram theory that everything is a projection of two dimensional reality as three dimensional illusion for temporary experience and brain is a holographic storage network.
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0fcf06 No.165909
>>165872
The numerology can be derived from natural cycles and is established in tradition so doesn't really require any deeper level of transference, it just that the importance was recognized in the past.
The Hews are interesting in that their tradition structurally is entirely based upon this, but in terms of the dark side.
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3c0473 No.165911
What is the link between Sirius and most "terror" attacks, psyop of the last decades (if not centuries) ?
Firing up Stellarium, I noticed that in almost all cases, when these events occurs, Sirius is at the perfect horizon.
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c1fcfe No.166158
>>165911
Wish i could help more if i myself still cared about astrology. I know Heliacal rising of Sirius was an important key calendar marker according to Bob King. It is related to Sothic cycle or Canicular period.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sothic_cycle
Since its egyptians who believed in cult of Sirius as Sopdet, it would be easier to start searching in materials related to their astrology in particular.
This is a list of literature mentioning Sothic cycle (the word is very specific, can't miss it):
https://b-ok.cc/terms/?q=Sothic
>>165582
>Using only cuckchan so much while this site was shoah'd really fucked with my head.
Careful with that. Any cuckchan or plebbit board can make you lose faith in humanity. Some places on the internet are insulting to any intelligence above nigger level.
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352281 No.166573
>>165872
I am very interested in genetic memory. Of course "conventional academics" will dismiss things like that because they cannot be easily proven.
One thing that seems very interesting is that oaths, blessings, curses, etc, may be passed down through a bloodline. Not so much that they are unbreakable, but that they may have some effect on the decision making of people without knowing it.
In very general terms when it comes to decision making you have many factors:
State of being > Passive thoughts > Active thoughts > Reactive thoughts
So when you get a biological action like a cat licking itself or meowing, you get that from the deeper "state of being" than anything in their lifetime.
Evolutionary theory says that the creatures that do that action as a habit live and their descendants will tend to do that as well. It's very unclear where that boundary between things is.
Theoretically you would be able to engineer certain behaviors or tendencies to be passed down biologically, and in creatures with higher capacity of understanding that may relate to their deepest held beliefs.
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ffe21a No.166581
>>166573
>Of course "conventional academics" will dismiss things like that because they cannot be easily proven.
Proven? Since when they prove anything? All conventional academics are victims of new myths, that are given as real science. Theorems for unproven things are being laid off like fresh cookies in front of lazy people receiving their fancy checks and prizes for nothing, just to keep working on what produces boosts to economical advantage and not humanity. Hence they got so seriously whacked by coronavirus, since humanity is in no control over its own greed.
"History is a child building a sand-castle by the sea, and that child is the whole majesty of man’s power in the world." t. Heraclitus
One neuroscientist works on theory of quantum consciousness, but some columnist for Huffington Post becomes in center for attention claims it has place with gods, dragons and unicorns, himself doing nothing but shit-talking hypotheses producing new hypotheses. In a way even a person "disproving" a hypothesis is still a victim of hypothesis, because his negation of hypothesis does nothing but makes negative hypothesis of existing one. Its an inescapable loop, into which science have fallen like a new religion, chasing only after its mythical theories.
Even psychology if you look at it rationally, is based on researching the masses, and individuals with higher intellectual capacities that were brainstormed as a phenomena through philosophical existentialism would be an error to the system that tries to subject everyone as equals. There's also ignorance that majorities who remain close minded are close minded because of money. Add to that fight against scientific racism/misogyny, which is functional requirement of modern society and you'll have zero progress. How they described this attitude at the end of Kali Yuga in Mahabharata? "Cowards will take pride in their bravery and the brave will be depressed as cowards." Its probably the most important passage i remember from it, because it makes the most sense in society filtered by wrong goals.
>One thing that seems very interesting is that oaths, blessings, curses, etc, may be passed down through a bloodline.
I find it plausible to believe that, despite all talks against myth of blood, its weaving our progress in thinking through growing older. Researchers proudly disproved that humans don't have genetic memory like animals do, while at the same time claiming men are apes. The more i research i find it plausible to believe you, and everyone else, hold history of research and brainstorming of all logical sciences within themselves, but only unlocking them at accordance of encountering something similar to what your ancestors had researched and dabbled into. It may create illusion of various curses/magical items having effect on your psyche, but its mere ancestral memory reacting to linking in their symbolic representations.
>engineer certain behaviors or tendencies to be passed down biologically
I think what we actually pass down biologically is our intellectual brainstorming and research. Children of scientists and intellectuals should have higher ability to unlock this memory potential, because majorities with no genetic predetermination for intellect would have no ability to "unlock" what was passed down. Again, for greeks it was symbolized with illusion of past lives. But its absolutely impossible unlock for non-intellectual.
And i hold my own belief that being born with certain qualities, such as being born white in the first place, in clean family from filth of miscegenation, in order for spirit to manifest required intellectual capacity in right vessel, is a fortune given by God. Its a troublesome, but paying off work, to keep such vessel in perfect condition. Fortunate destiny is when inside and outside are evenly elevated, right spirit in the right body can make all the difference in the world.
On holographic theory and kashmir shaivism, i'l just leave this here (don't want to link directly to jewtube):
https://www.invidious.tube/watch?v=0wXO7oKtNWA
Maybe someone will be interested, i find it interesting that quantum theories have parallels with hinduism in the first place, but that's mostly because indian spirituality seems to be based on reasoning of existential, like Plotinus and greek philosophers did, rather than on emotions of common religions. Semitic religions severely dragged down our potential.
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0fcf06 No.166613
>>166581
I would consider the Spanda Karikas as concerned with the projection of the inner nature of energy into the Physical form of Siva, which is thus in total harmony with such principles, in Mandaean terms that could translate as the relationship between Ruha and Adonai.
>She, who is ever conscious of the vitality of mantra, who is the endless flash of the perfect and complete I-consciousness whose essence consists in a multitude of letters, who is the goddess embodying jfiana (knowledge), ever knows the totality of categories from the earth up to Siva, which is one in substance with Her own Self and is portrayed out of Her own nature on the canvas of Her own free, clear Self just as a city is reflected in a mirror (from which it is non-distinct). Hail to that Energy of creative pulsation (spandasakti) of Siva (Saipkari) that exults in glory all over the world.
>As the great banyan tree lies only in the form of potency in the seed, even so the entire universe with all the mobile and immobile beings lies as a potency in the heart-seed
http://www.gianfrancobertagni.it/materiali/tantra/singh.pdf
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3748f6 No.166908
>>166613
Saivists/Shaivinists are complicated bunch, can't even make simple post about them. There are as much Shaiva sects as christian denominations in India. But most important distinction between them is non-dualist advaita ones, as continuation of brahmanic theology, and dualist siddhanta devotional religions akin to the ones in the west. And as far as i was reading Abhinavagupta he wasn't particularly denouncing siddhas, as a revival of vedic viewpoint, but himself he preached tantric non-dualism where Shakti played active role as Siva's power (which is dogma of all tantric metaphysics). Mostly because Abhinavagupta as philosopher at times was talking about all hindu traditions that he encountered equally.
Tamil saivist at all viewed all praised deities that are worshiped with devotion as siddhantic manifestations of Siva, the absolute, even the buddha (which i kind of leaning to agree about). Which is similar to krishnaists, but not quite, because major siddhanta schools admit two things about Siva:
1. For Siva there is no incarnation (avatara). Which cancels out idea of Krishna in Bhagavad-gita being an avatar and not a manifestation. There is no need for him either to be born as mortals are born, and to live as they do. Avatarism is a big deal in Vaishnavism and keeps on insisting that some mortal men are gods arrived in flesh, i mean its even in Esoteric Hitlerism of all places.
2. Siddhas worship Siva as absolute without becoming "one" with him, because they are satisfied with devotion and enjoying being subjected to deity's grace. Because the relationship between a man and God is resembling servant to master. "Advaita does not mean non-difference but only non-separatedness from God. The soul after release still continues to exist as soul without merging into Siva." - from Mysticism in Shaivism and Christianity book (by the way Siddhantas appear to be the most eager for dialog with christians and keep comparing each other's theologies).
In a way i am in agreement with Siddhanta culture, even if i respect Abhinavagupta's research. And reason for this is because i agree with Proclus. First of all "the One" of Plotinus and Proclus is in fact Brahman of vedic culture, the all pervading Absolute and first cause. Because if "the One" is all around perfect, it cannot be polluted by what's not perfect. Therefore atman of a mortal arrogant particle of higher intellect cannot really attain to omnipresence and omniscience of the Brahman, only subjugated to it out of desire of higher Good bestowed by emanated grace, produced by intermediary intellect which is that very siddhantic manifestation, or imagination of atman entering brahman as a lifeline, and gets influenced by all pervading God, which is of course not possible at all without Lord (Isvara) revealing this through His own willpower, rather than the one of siddha yet to be (But that's of course not taking in account Procluses another point that One can't have personality for that, even though that thought existed to defend plurality of higher intellects in hierarchy of polytheism, as if the less perfect, the more specific in character, but this can be explained by One in fact possessing personality as if a body to manifest powers of such Intelligence and this limited world).
I mean that's the very meat of the devotional effect of all religions, from ancient to modern ones. All it takes is to just realize that actors may be different reason-principles, but all manifestations of the Same cause. I mean even if one is devotional to an avatara, he's not really devotional to an avatara, as if his devotional practice is pervaded by another spirit, he still connects to absolute through intermediary intelligence taking form of imagined figure for purpose of communication. Same situation with names of the God, they are all intermediary Logos, majority of them are also epithets.
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0fcf06 No.167436
>>166908
The abode of Shiva as Mount Kailash is interesting;
>Another local name for the mountain is Tisé mountain, which derives from ti tse in the Zhang-Zhung language, meaning "water peak" or "river peak", connoting the mountain's status as the source of the mythical Lion, Horse, Peacock and Elephant Rivers, and in fact the Indus, Yarlung Tsangpo/Dihang/Brahmaputra, Karnali and Sutlej all begin in the Kailash-Lake Manasarovara region.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Kailash
https://www.tibettravel.org/tibet-travel-advice/top-5-great-rivers-rising-in-tibet.html
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278ac8 No.167525
>>164605
How can i start to learn about esoterism? Do you guys have any sort of guide? I really want to.
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cc2c72 No.167541
>>158350
Youre gonna have to sauce that one. Lol
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cc2c72 No.167544
>>167525
Madame Blavatsky- The Secret Doctorine is the best place to start
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68a4f8 No.167563
>>164212
This literally deserves a pulitzer prize. Preach!!!
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9e961e No.167600
>>167544
Bad advice.
>>167525
I myself started by reading Vedas, Upanishads and Tao Te Ching first, and only later looked into esoterism for comparative purposes (eventually i found no use of it, since all esotericism is just a tool for boosting faith and memory). It has influence only on those who are programmed to receive meaning of those symbols, and who have genetic memory of them. Otherwise to take this seriously you have to have a mentality that everything is "logos", and sacred geometries are prebuilt in the soul because of their natural mathematical elements.
I'l go one by one what's worthy of reading:
Evola Rituals and Practical Techniques for the Magus
https://b-ok.cc/book/849582/13bca2
Evola Introduction to Magic
https://b-ok.cc/book/3560005/fe3770
Evola Introduction to Magic, Volume II: The Path of Initiatic Wisdom
https://b-ok.cc/book/3720565/2ddb8a
Evola Taoism: The Magic, the Mysticism:
https://b-ok.cc/book/3639788/f58b9f
Giordano Bruno: Cause, Principle and Unity: And Essays on Magic
https://b-ok.cc/book/767995/df13e5
Giordano Bruno: On the Composition of Images, Signs and Ideas
https://b-ok.cc/book/825312/4ff749
On Yantras and Tantra:
Evola The Yoga of Power: Tantra, Shakti, and the Secret Way
https://b-ok.cc/book/858635/5a6e80
Yantra: The Tantric Symbol of Cosmic Unity
https://b-ok.cc/book/1075178/ae8104
Hermeticism:
Evola The Hermetic Tradition: Symbols and Teachings of the Royal Art
https://b-ok.cc/book/2762388/43569b
Hermetic Magic: The Postmodern Magical Papyrus of Abaris
https://b-ok.cc/book/2927204/7781b0
The Hermetic Brotherhood of Luxor
https://b-ok.cc/book/936980/6dac31
The Veritable Key of Solomon:
https://b-ok.cc/book/886265/fbbb56
Goethe's Concept of the Daemonic: After the Ancients
https://b-ok.cc/book/816459/22a14e
The Book of Hiram, Fundamentals of Freemasonry
https://b-ok.cc/book/1248537/826162
Arcana Mundi: Magic and the Occult in the Greek and Roman Worlds
https://b-ok.cc/book/912423/67539f
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278ac8 No.167604
>>167600
Hmm alright, thanks a lot. I'm espacially interested in planet symbolization (Venus, Saturn etc.)
And about genetic memory, i guess i cant find that out without reading it first.
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6f4c02 No.167616
>>167604
>I'm espacially interested in planet symbolization (Venus, Saturn etc.)
In Hermetic Tradition book of Evola he expands on that significantly as well as Bruno's On the Composition of Images, Signs and Ideas. So i guess you can start with those two.
The Ash Wednesday Supper by Giordano Bruno (Bruno's cosmology dialogues based on Copernican astronomy):
https://b-ok.cc/book/5411804/027f98
The Babylonian Theory of the Planets
https://b-ok.cc/book/4975433/6d9e90
Ancient Egyptian Science (good to have together with coffin texts found here >>158370 )
https://b-ok.cc/book/2767128/c641b9
https://b-ok.cc/book/2767138/e531b2
https://b-ok.cc/book/1291975/2f76b6 (this is the one on their astronomy)
https://b-ok.cc/book/1291967/05b398
Also check out Manilius for his Astronomica in this post >>161366
As a bonus consider Kircher and Fludd:
Athanasius Kircher: A Renaissance Man and the Quest for Lost Knowledge
https://b-ok.cc/book/820204/b119b8
Athanasius Kircher: The Last Man Who Knew Everything
https://b-ok.cc/book/733142/d4a4e6
Egyptian Oedipus: Athanasius Kircher and the Secrets of Antiquity
https://b-ok.cc/book/2656181/9c5570
A Study of the Life and Works of Athanasius Kircher
https://b-ok.cc/book/1217913/fbc97e
The Stars of Galileo Galilei and the Universal Knowledge of Athanasius Kircher
https://b-ok.cc/book/2317562/8f11f1
Robert Fludd
https://b-ok.cc/book/5006243/de28f1
Robert Fludd: Hermetic Philosopher and Surveyor of Two Worlds
https://b-ok.cc/book/886264/76b483
Robert Fludd's Theory of Geomancy and his Experiences:
https://b-ok.cc/book/956750/95c30e
'The Temple of Music' by Robert Fludd
https://b-ok.cc/book/5435651/7837ee
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278ac8 No.167617
>>167616
Hmm thanks a lot. It seems i'll be revisiting Evola.
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aad45d No.168221
Been reading Puranas out of pure curiosity, because "While the Gods Play" book got me curious to look up on shaiva oracles and their predictions (not exactly good book, it loudly claims that vishnu purana predicts racemixing as in "people becoming unaware of the differences between the races", when it in reality talks about anyone with money being able to take bride from any tribe). I know they are Anno Domini creations unlike upanishads and vedas, but still their kali yuga predictions nail certain aspects of irreligious life, that is quite easy to grasp (generally apocalyptic literature is all about contemplating reversing of religious commandments). In some way inspired by original source of Kali Yuga prophecy in Mahabharata, in some ways more original. I left some caps i found interesting from Linga and Vishnu puranas.
But here's another cap i found in Bhavishya Purana which is a late creation apparently mentioning other religions and some fake version of Christ. What's interesting to me about him, is that he's considered by the writer a preacher of "Mleccha-dharma", and calls territory of Mleccha's "wicked". Its a general term for barbarious and foreign people. Might be semites, but without excluding moslem ones. They of course roll with generic catholic claiming of Sun God symbolism, and it has some misunderstanding about said messiah, but general point of this being a contact with christianity can be understood.
My point however is not in showing some random mention of Christ, but its rather interesting use of the word "Mleccha". In Linga Purana there's mention of someone called Pramiti arriving during Kali Yuga, obviously inspired by Mahabharata's Kalki, or maybe another figure, but still born in the family of Manu who himself was "part incarnation of Visnu", that said Pramiti goes on, as immortal, to roam the earth with large army and goes to kill Mlecchas by thousands. "Thus making himself powerful with an active army under his control, he the destroyer of the Mlecchas, invincible to all living beings, will roam about the world". How come Mlecchas suddenly are "all around the world", and not just barbarian invaders of India? This kind of writing makes one think maybe this is the inspiration behind the whole Savitri's "Hitler as incarnation of Vishnu" idea, because Pramiti's deeds ring a bell. I don't make solid conclusions on anything though. Taking Mlecchas as jews would be a stretch. And i didn't read the whole thing, knowing how many moments in puranas have awkward "you'll certainly go to hell for this, certainly get all sins forgiven for that" moments, they are only interesting in selected parts.
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e37a51 No.168368
Some posters here are very learned I see. So much to learn so little time.
The Pleiades are the seven sisters. Associated with the Pineal. They have a mystical glow. To me it's obvious that these are the sisters of Switzerland, and of course of the nigrified part of Elon-don which bears the name.
>>158356
>What about Hadrian? He fucking absolutely APED on the yids
Doesn't make sense. The places the Romans conquered are the most jewed now. Beyond where they ended (e.g. Hadrian's wall), remain the least jewed
>>158351
>the redshift required to turn a blue giant star red is something like 50% the speed of light
You're pulling these numbers from your ass sir
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53a4f1 No.168377
>>168368
>You're pulling these numbers from your ass sir
Probably; I can’t find anything hard on visible spectrum redshift at speed anymore. We’ve measured real world relativistic redshifting of a blue giant moving only .08c, but there’s no information of the DEGREE of redshifting that was measured (whether it was visibly red at that speed or not). From the old documents I read in the ‘90s, I’m pretty sure half c was required to move blue giants to red…
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0fcf06 No.168718
>>168221
There are interesting associations with the term Ish, in Vedic terminology a yoke or axis, in early Sumer a mountain likely having similar function, joining the Earth to the Heavens, a Divine axis.
In Hebrew Ishi was understood as husband or master, that may be derivative of the metaphorical mountain of strength.
>And it shall be at that day, saith the LORD, that thou shalt call me Ishi; and shalt call me no more Baali.
There are strong correlations across various traditions, the transfiguration of Christ upon the Mountain is in such terms, but that was Mount Hermon the source of the Jordan, not a mountain in central Asia, the mountains and the rivers and the peoples were all considered in terms of a greater eco-system.
There is also the question of whom the Lord of the Mountain was expected to be the husband of, Inanna tended to have issues with Mountains not showing her respect, and gardeners of those mountains, in terms of Ish-ull-Anu and Shu-kale-tuda, the role of the Mountain Lord was watering, as it were.
Ish-ull-Anu tended the date palms of his Father that would thus correlate to Enki and he as the son Dumu-zi-abzu and consort of Inanna, Inanna transformed him into a Frog or Mole for refusing her advances, the Frog Prince in the intermediate state of the carnal and spiritual, Noli me tangere.
>Thinking he was the gardener, she said, “Sir, if you have carried him away, tell me where you have put him, and I will get him.”
http://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/section1/tr132.htm
http://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/section1/tr133.htm
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827af2 No.168776
>>168718
>There are interesting associations with the term Ish, in Vedic terminology a yoke or axis, in early Sumer a mountain likely having similar function, joining the Earth to the Heavens, a Divine axis.
>In Hebrew Ishi was understood as husband or master, that may be derivative of the metaphorical mountain of strength.
Yes, bridal symbolism is in the vedas, i've been reading a book that points this one out recently.
Its 24 megabytes, so ill leave a link to archive:
https://archive.org/details/Acc.No.14647TheCalloftheVedas1960
Its a book on siddhantic interpretation of the vedas using them as scriptural proof for bhakti movements.
Its fundamental claim, that i take from another book of "Saivism in philosophical perspective" is that:
>"All the Vedas pray but to the Lord alone even when they invoke other deities. An intuitive appreciation of the one and only God though variously described as Indra, Varuna etc., was implicit from the very inception though it is possible for one to be unaware of it."
>"The unity of God-head is indicated vis-a-vis deities like Agni, Vayu etc., which are the intelligent ‘essence* of phenomena whose inmost essence in turn is the Highest Deity. In becoming aware of the deities, one becomes also aware of the Deity of the deities, whose operative aspects only are personified in and as these deities."
In a way that's also similar to Hebrew viewpoints, that is if they somehow saved up all their Canaanite pagan literature and used it as a reference for Adonai worship as implied unity of all their gods, and not simply re-wrote it into new set of scriptures.
In a lot of ways both Krishna Bhakti, Vaishnavite and Shaiva Siddhanta movements are monotheistic religions fighting against monistic environment, and its interesting to research on those.
That's saying a lot of those are attributed to Indra and Agni, and Indra was known for insane level of sin forgiveness, as long as one is devoted to Him. In Kaushitaki Upanishad Indra references himself as breath of life itself and a man knowing him as He is not afflicted by karma even if he kills his parents or commits abortion. Because "by breath of life a man attains immortality in the other world, by consciousness, true conception". And claims whoso reverences Him as "life and immortality, wins all his allotted life in this world and immortality and indestructibility in the heavenly world". Then i thought its kind of sketchy and extremely familiar to Siva Purana's various methods of Linga worship forgiving even the greatest sin of slaying Brahmin, that is considered the worst sin by Vaishnavists. So Siva absorbed those characters of Indra, not just Rudra alone, because Siddhantic scholars believe every God in Vedas is their God.
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0fcf06 No.168918
>>168776
It's an excellent work, there was always a very close relationship with Inanna and the sacred mountain Kur in Sumerian tradition, as seen in the title Dingir-Nin-Ana-Kur, and that the Heavenly connecting with the Earthly, the entire symbolism of the Ziggurat.
As Venus the star of Dawn this transpires at first light, just as Mary Magdalene was given as the first light of Christian resurrection mythos, in her meeting with an apparent gardener, and that first light is the continuation of the arrival of first light in the greater sense.
In terms of Inanna doing her rounds then as the Maiden of dawn and consort of the Mountain, as the perfect beauty Indrani, there were issues arising, in that she was variously dis-respected, rejected, raped by gardeners that should supposedly nurture and maintain that which had been established, rather than uproot the plants and everything turn to dust.
The liberalism of Indra is interesting in the same sense that Ninurta was a God of Healing in his astral association with Sirius, as the consort of Bau (Gula/Nin-Isin/Nin-Sumen) who represented through the brightest star the principles of medicine and surgical practise including artificial insemination, the maintenance and continuation of life, Ninurta healed through directly attacking the cause of the malaise, he didn't treat symptoms, and that also carried through to the societal level, thus like Indra he was a God of war through caring the most.
Indra >as a reflex of proto-Indo-European *h₂nḗr-, Greek anēr, Sabine nerō, Avestan nar-, Umbrian nerus, Old Irish nert, Ossetic nart, and others which all refer to "most manly" or "hero"
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8af1d4 No.168920
>>168918
To be honest when it comes to mountain association i am a bit skeptical to take it too seriously, since all religions are associated with mountains as unreachable places, dwellings of God. Just to name a few: Hebrew God of Sinai, Dionysus as "God of Mountain Nysa", greek Gods of Olympus in general, japanese and eastern belief that spirits and Gods mostly dwell at mountainside, Vishnu himself "Haunting the mountains", Rudra being dweller of mountains, Krishna being associated with Himalayas and Meru.
But just like it goes from Atharva-Veda "Through what power does man surpass the mountains?", its all about not yet learning of mountaineering, just like with astrological beliefs. Once we surpass something unreachable the hymn's mystic meaning loses its purpose, when for anyone not oblivious its obvious that mountain symbolized another plane of reality, and not literal formation on earth.
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8af1d4 No.168926
>>168918
>Ninurta was a God of Healing
>including artificial insemination, the maintenance and continuation of life
Now that's a subject of separate interest. Rudra was also known for healing and remedy giver, "best of physicians" in Rig Veda itself.
In Ishvara Gita, a scripture of Saivinites that is less known "Gita", it calls Siva "Inseminator, Father and Ruler". Continuing idea of Lingam/Phallus worship as fact of God's progeny (as in all beings come from God's creative power, so Lingam's function is akin to insemination of the world. both Lingam and "Supreme Womb" constitute similar primordial androgyny to Orphic Phanes, as in God initially reproducing everything from Himself). Hymn to Rudra i mentioned also calls Him a Father "as a son bows down to a father".
Now what's interesting about Ninurta you mentioned he holds either thunder bolds or weapons very similar to object called "Vajra". "Ritual weapon symbolizing the properties of a diamond and a thunderbolt". Also similar to Siva's trident but with two sides, Indra was depicted carrying one on the right. Both tibetian and japanese esoteric buddhists use it as a ritual tool.
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0fcf06 No.169155
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>>168920
There is no choice but to take ideas such as Zionism seriously, the idea needs to be defeated and establishing one's own sacred mountain the only way to do so.
If we consider the origins of the Zion mythos it is the claiming of the mountain formerly associated with Ba'al and Tessub, also Zeus, the Jupiter and thus ruling principle.
>Yahweh is great and supremely to be praised, in the city of our God, the holy mountain (hr-qdsw), beautiful where it rises, joy of the whole world; Mount Zion, in the recesses of Zaphon (yrkty zpn), the city of the great king; here among her palaces, God proved to be her fortress." (Psalm 48:1-3)
>Biblical allusions to the mythological battle between Yahweh and dragon appear in Psalm 74:13; 89:9-10; Isaiah 27:1 51:9-10; Revelation 12:7-9, though none of them locate the conflict on a mountain. Familiarity with Zaphon as Baal's abode is evident in the toponym Baal-Zephon in Exodus 14:1, 9, Numbers 33:7.
>numerous references in the OT to Zaphon as Yahweh's holy mountain, resulting through an identification between Yahweh and Baal. Since Yahweh also merges with El in Israelite religion, the biblical texts conflate Zaphon with El's abode as well as the "mountain of assembly" (where the "divine council" meets). Helal, son of Shahar (the twin brother of Shalam, the god of sunset), declares in Isaiah 14:13-14: "I will sit on the Mount of Assembly in the recesses of Zaphon. I will climb to the top of thunderclouds, I will rival the Most High.
Theological claims to a minor mountain in Syria isn't that good a basis for global domination but people get caught up in the insanity, the symbolism of the sacred mountain always works, thus a counter is required involving one's own sacred mountain, which if in the centre of the world, as Mount Su-Meru, cannot be defeated.
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0fcf06 No.169208
>>168926
The weapon of Ninurta was the Sar-ur, this also the Mesopotamian term for the star Shaula the stinger of Scorpio, the stylistic element of the scorpion stinger an element of the Dorje.
https://www.constellationsofwords.com/stars/Shaula.html
In Tibetan rock art the Dorje is seen associated with figures known as Mascoids, if there ever was such an actual weapon they were the ones who had such, nobody knows what they represent however, though of course it's Aliens
https://www.tibetarchaeology.com/december-2011/
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e5f7cb No.169213
>>169155
Well then, just remember that mountains and trees have same esoteric meaning. If a mountain can be used as a symbolical "trunk" for spiritual connection, it serves as an esoteric connector between heaven and earth. Nordic Yggdrasil probably conveys the most of this meaning, but ultimately you'll arrive at pantheistic conclusion where earth itself systematically could be seen as receiver of spiritual enigma, and mountains as communication of what's above with below. Trees like Banyan, Bodhi and Sycamore all as important as Sinai and Meru, because whatever geographical exquisite landmarks or flora exists at territories of various lands, especially if they stand out with some magnificence, usually get attributed some spiritual meaning by the ancients, serving as some divine refuge for meditation and/or praying.
As far as taking jews seriously i don't believe them. I've been looking at some background of Chenrezig, Avalokiteśvara, thousand handed "buddha" who's also supreme Isvara to tibetians, and recognized certain things about him as the ones said about Vishnu and Siva in Upanishads, probably because of availability of Svetasvatara Upanishad to buddhists, and eventual accumulation of Isvara along side other buddhist believes, i also looked at japanese worshiped Mahavairocana and also recognized similarity with idea of Mahadeva in that one. At some point all concepts of absolute "celestial buddha" return to concept of God or God-like being with qualities of a God. I mean even Dalai Lama himself reads mantra to Goddess Tara, and that's pretty much their Shakti, even emanated from Chenrezig just like Shakti is considered power of Shiva. As if there was a need to reconstruct Hindu beliefs in core countries of Asia. In case of the east beliefs are very interconnected even when core teachings are different. Svetasvatara Upanishad is like 1 millennium BCE text, serves as basis for Siddhanta of Saivinists almost as much as Bhagavad Gita for Vaishnavists, and it already has statements like "For One is Rudra, -they stand not for a second,-" for as "All worlds He emanated, [All worlds] will He roll up at the end of time".
Therefore the very deity that deserves to be called God is only deity capable of eliminating everything emanated from Himself. Therefore the only capable to exist if he destroys and annihilated everything is the One Immortal. Why would such Being be ever tied to mountains, planets, stars or trees, and other perishable things of realm of generation?
God pervaded all religions, but only few know Spirit as Spirit. And that remains untouched ground even though available for everyone to contemplate. For as God indeed has many hands to get to people by, or as Svetasvatara scriptures put it "One after another this God spreads wide his many nets in this [earthly] field only draw them in [again]". Or how fascinatingly similar hand iconography of Thousand-armed Avalokiteśvara to Aten, where sun disk itself extends hands as rays, or how about Siva Svetasvatara says to have thousand of every attribute, heads, eyes feet and so on, yet devoid of all attributes, handless and footless "he yet speeds and grasps", mystic meaning of which is omnipresence of God's Spirit.
Once a person grasps absolute all other knowledges become inferior, one can know a lot of things but understand little. Religion and esoterism have a lot of fluff that's important only to selected individuals knowing the meaning, yet the realization of meaning is the only magic about it. As for the jews, assembly of israel is their invention making them think God has assembly of jews-only as favorites to bestow them benefits, i described how it functions in this post: >>161728
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0fcf06 No.169263
>>169213
It is the case that the mountain and the tree were inter-changeable representations of a world axis, if it can be considered that the Yahwists super-imposed their own evil order upon the earlier Mountain of the storm God in Zionism, they may also have cornered the market on the sacred tree as cosmic axis in Christianity.
As for Yggdrasil, the Avestan equivalent of Isha is Asha, upright righteousness, and thus the Ash tree as world axis, even more, in Nordic myth Ask/Ash and Embla/Elm as upright proto-humanity, thus the world axis can even be a man.
If we consider the meaning of Meru, the root is generally considered to relate to death, somewhat surprisingly, but that is also somewhat misleading;
>From the antique times the divine-name Mercurius with its variants has been explained on the basis of the words as merx, mercātus "purchase; market", mercātor "merchant, trader", mercēs,"earnings, wage, rent"
>Hittite mark- "to divide, separate; distribute, apportion; cut up, butcher" compares directly this verb with Latin merx"trade, goods" and mentions the exclusive parallelism between Latin commercārī "to trade, buy up" vs. Hittite -kan mark-, the term used in the Hittite meat industry
>The hypothetical Indo-Iranian counterparts are limited only to the world of death and destruction: Old Indic Márka- "a demon presiding various sicknesses of childhood; marká- "seizure", i.e. "eclipse (of sun); annihilation, death", mahrka- "death, destruction", marəkaē-čə "and in ruin"
http://www.safarmer.com/Indo-Eurasian/Mercurius.pdf
The essential meaning is too divide, as in the division of the robe when upon the cross, and we can take Meru as a meridian, that aligns with the mid-day Sun and divides East from West, as the premise of centrality, the French have their own idea on this according to the Elm, a divisive Mermaid.
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8c4e37 No.169848
After some time i finally can rest why dance of shiva reminds me of reich's swastika in those images, and not just random similarity: >>145322
Certain Saiva Agamas had description of Shiva's iconography. Its hard to find Agamas themselves in english (i think there's just no interest in translating them, aside of tantric ones), only texts that state or relate their research to Agamas in Saivism and Vaishnavism.
In one youtube video i learned that agamas are contemporary texts to vedas (ultimately probably Dravidian personal literature, if true), and serve as description of all basic necessities to build civilization, including rites for installation of idols of the deities. Some of larger agamas are claimed to be lost. I also noticed some texts from agamas is inserted in puranic works, like modes for wielding weapons in Agni Purana certainly felt like belonging in agama.
What i allude to is that in book "Saivism in The Light of Epic Puranas and Agamas" i found out that the right leg in Shiva's iconography is indeed supposed to be svastika-shaped, because it represents ongoing Kala (time).
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7dfc7c No.169866
>>169848
Though it is not explicit, you might also recognize that same similarity in Baphomet. At least, I made the connection now that you mention it.. People who use that icon are worshiping the continuance of time as opposed to the complete fixed stasis of the Gods.
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737009 No.170354
>>169263
Actually you know what, if 70 faces of Shekinah are tied to mount Sinai as assembly of Yisrael, then 33 manifestations of Kuan Yin/Avalokiteśvara are tied to mount Sumeru as summit of Devas as i've been just reading in commentaries to Heart Sutra. And as i already said its still Ishvara, number 33 is a number of Vedic deities.
This is highly suspicious. How come both judaism and buddhism have a number as deity's manifestation tied to a mountain? This tradition must be based on something else.
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ae8106 No.170363
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0fcf06 No.170378
>>170354
The number 33 is generally considered a symbolic number related to the vertebrae of the spinal column, so from that we can get the upright axis, the world mountain and also the principle of the flow of energies.
These concerns may be what is represented in Central Eurasian rock art, Deities of the mountain and river
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tian_Shan
http://depts.washington.edu/silkroad/texts/hhshu/notes13.html
I expect the Jewish interest in the number 33 derived from the Persians.
>The Sassanian canon of the Avesta was divided into 21 volumes, called nasks in the Pahlavi language. The nasks were put into three categories of seven each. The first category, called Gathic, had the first nask named after two Gathic terms to read Stoata Yesnya (Pahlavi Stot Yasn), meaning "Reverential Praises." It consisted of the seventeen songs of the Gathas of Zarathushtra and certain subtle addenda of his close companions – a total of 33 sections
The cult of Anahita-Nanaya was very strong in Bactria-Margiana were Anahita is the river Goddess and Nanaya the Goddess Inanna incarnate, this enters into China through Daoism as Guan Yin i would expect
>The cult of the divine couple Nana / Siyavush, or the Mother-Goddess and the Sun-God, became widespread in Central Asia with the arrival of the Kushans. The Iranians’ Mother Goddess was named Anahita and their Sun-God was named Mithras. Nana/Nanaya is depicted with four arms, holding the Sun and Moon in her hands. Siyavush, the Rider-God is her companion and son.
>This goddess is particularly important for the Kushan rulers. On Sanab’s coins, she is placing the wreath of kinghship on the head of the ruler, who is on horseback. She is the patroness of the Kushan state and it is from her that Kanishka received the royal power. During Kanishka’s reign, a full body image of Nana, Nanaya holding a spear, ending with a lunar image (a Crescent moon) is used. The image of Nana is also found on coins, minted by the older Yuezhi
>In Khotan, the image of a goddess with four arms, riding a lion, who is identical to the middle Asian Nana is widespread.
She is depicted on small wooden icons and murals in Buddhist temples next to the image of Shiva. Just Like Nana, she holds the Sun and Moon in her lifted hands.
http://www.bulgari-istoria-2010.com/booksBG/SOME%20ANCIENT%20CHINESE%20NAMES%20IN%20EAST%20TURKESTAN%20-%20final.pdf
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aca985 No.170382
>>170378
She has horns (Mithras slaying the Bull of Heaven) with his hammer/penis.
And is carrying an Offer (something presented/or carried in worship for acceptance or rejection) for the Ring.
This is interesting given that Hunter (Biden) has become the Hunted in the time of Scorpio when Orion and Taurus also face off in aggression eternally in the night sky. I know that most of this is magic ritual, since his name is actually Robert, but it is interesting that he hunted underaged girls, whores and niggers for slaying his entire life and now it is he and his father who are being slayed in public opinion. Since they are traitors to the White race (as well as everyone else in public offer-ice I back this; as I would back the killing of the rest of the garbage). I always mean to visit Tian/Tien Shan since it was one of the nodes (like Glastonbury or Giza) of ley lines [along with Monte Kallash]. Also, mountains are generally perceived as being places that one attains liberation (or moksha; interesting how close this is mythology to moishe [mo shay; which is also contains the word isha; woman; the horned one] or Moses attaining liberation on Sinai). This is odd since Jesus attained the transfiguration on Mt. Hermon the very same mountain [reversed tian and in Chris-tian] that the Fallen descended onto which was also the sacred mountain of all the temples of the Gods of Olympus. Of course, none of these things ‘line up perfectly’ but they are all too closed to be statistically improbable which is all we have to really go on since all the world is full of lies, secrets and misdirection.
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aca985 No.170383
>>170382
One last note is that Sinai or Sin-ai would have also been sacred to the Moon God since it was titled Sin-ai or the Moon Gods (Sin) ‘heap of ruins’ (Ai).
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88abcb No.170384
>>170378
In Brihadaranyaka Upanishad they clearly state what 33 deities are and how they all join into One.
>She is depicted on small wooden icons and murals in Buddhist temples next to the image of Shiva.
I think its just Guan Yin in female form when it comes to relation with Avalokiteśvara is same as Shakti to Shiva and it depends on metaphysics of particular school. Seen one chinese blogger also having images of Shakti along with other Guan Yin images as manifestation. Avalokiteśvara is depicted as both male and female (as for buddhists its important for female to reincarnate as male sometimes, so androgyne, just like Shiva). Kind of how certain hindus refer to Shiva and Shakti as "Siva and Sivā" or even also Sivam as neutral, to emphasize unity as One inseparable entity and its power regardless of attributes, since Shakti is "power", metaphorically compared by siddhanta religion as to sunlight of the sun. That saying characteristics of Avalokiteśvara when it comes to comparable religion are the ones of Vishnu, hence researchers always put that one as Shiva/Vishnu counterpart, but unsure which. Mostly because buddhism as a whole absorbed Vaishnavist morality of purity.
I also have a theory that celestial buddhas as an idea in general are born not just out of general religious corruption or divine intervention into minds of religious scribes, but also because buddhists kept appropriating hindu temples as monasteries, including Shiva and Vishnu ones, so they eventually started calling idols craved into walls of those - buddhas. That's secondary reason for this phenomena aside of copying other indian teachings and attributing texts to buddhas. There's presentation of certain professor on jainas and esoteric buddhists copying shaivinist material. Even namedrops japanese shingon during the lecture.
https://invidious.site/watch?v=zGFDJynF6CI
Buddhist to hindu is like christian to a hebrew.
>Daoism
Now that one is difficult, for all its connections to definition of Absolute in Brahmanic tradition (that can be learned in "Brahman and Dao Comparative Studies"). Their impersonal attitude to Tao was criticized even by Sir John Woodroffe in Sakti and Sakta book for materialism and claim of unconsciousness of their vision of absolute even if its comparable with tantra. Wiki claims they see all deities as manifestations of power/pneuma of Heaven. But then chinese did had "Most High" God as Shangdi, "Highest Emperor" under that epithet, could be their Ishvara at least during Shang dynasty age.
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0fcf06 No.170392
>>170382
I think a lot of the archetypes originated in Anatolia, even the Yuezhi as the Moon Clan, and Nanaya as the tutelary Clan Goddess, there is the tradition of the Moon falling to the Cilician gate, this can explain the origin of silver in the Taurus mountains, but can also relate to the refined silver of logic.
>The Moon God fell from the sky and fell upon the gate complex, but no one saw him. The Storm God sent rain after him; he sent rains after him. Fear seized him; anxiety seized him. The god Hapantali went there. He stood beside him and uttered over him the words of a spell.
>The goddess Kamrusepa looked down from the sky and said: "What in the world has happened here?
>Among Tessub, the Sun God of the Sky, Sauska Nineveh's Queen, and all the gods, no one worships him, although his power is greater than their power.
>His word is greater than their words, his wisdom is greater than their wisdom, his battle and his glory are greater than theirs.
>It is Silver the Fine of whom I sing. Wise men told me the story of the fatherless boy.
>It did not exist. Long ago Silver's Father had disappeared. And they do not know his splendor. Heroic men ran to battle. Abundance did not exist. And grain did not grow only hunger
>Silver seized power with his hands. Silver seized the spear. He dragged the Sun and Moon down from heaven. The Sun and the Moon did reverence. They bowed to Silver. The Sun and the Moon began to speak to Silver: O Silver, our lord, do not strike/kill us! We are the luminaries of heaven and earth. We are the torches of what lands you govern. If you strike/kill us, you will proceed to govern the dark lands person-ally." His soul within him was filled with love.He had pity on them
The Gold of the mountains was the essence of the Sun and Allani, the silver of the mountains the essence of the moon, the Goddess Ishara, the Scorpion was her symbol, this can be seen on Anatolian seals beneath the Taurus bull/mountain symbol
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90dadc No.170408
>when you have religious tolerance in medieval age
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7dfc7c No.170457
>>170392
>Anatolian seals beneath the Taurus bull/mountain symbol
Weird. So when the Bible declares that scorpions and serpents will not injure you they are basically talking of Ishara/Inanna hurting Orion (the constellation opposite; which would be the people turning the world/plants/animals into dust via hunting). Though now, of course Serpens is transformed into Ophiuchus/Phanes. And Phanes again, holds a special position in the biblical narrative as well as the One with the four aspects of being (which are present in Phanes iconography as well) eagle, bull, man, lion. Odd then that Phanes would also be a part of Inanna's constellation unless it is similar to what anon pointed out above that sometimes a man has to come back as a woman.
So the 'hunter' is given permission to injure and destroy the earth until the scorpion rises and kills him (I suppose this is the time A-bull/Taurus is avenged as well). Hmmm interesting.
You know, I think at this point that 'God' is literally shouting at us using time, events, signs, symbols, constellations and memes to see if we can 'get it'. And all the planet was deaf…save a few.
>>170363
They would like it to fall but they may find that in their engineering its 'falling' instead they are crushed into the dust of the earth. We only cooperate because it suits us. We don't have to cooperate at all and when we have had enough we will burn this planet and its people up one side and down the other. The 'reigns' they think they hold are only in their own imagination.
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e37a51 No.170486
>>168377
You do understand that Sirius is not actually blue, yes? Just a tinge of blue in the white? And previously, was a tinge of red in the white.
And this is known from the history? And there is literally no other reasonable explanation than doppler effect?
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8f505a No.170601
>>170457
>Odd then that Phanes would also be a part of Inanna's constellation
Phanes is zodiacal light, that's why he's surrounded by 12 zodiacs. >>159196
He's part of Inanna only as far as Venus can enter zodiacal light. In one orphic hymn it goes like "You scattered the dark mist that lay before your eyes and, flapping your wings, you whirled about, and throughout this world you brought pure light. For this I call you Phanes." (in commentary to orphic hymns it is suggested that "whirling" motion is referring to time, and repeated in hymn for the Sun; movement of light advances time itself). For majority of astrologic seers the zodiacal space dust was symbolic as idea of primal light and also pillar of fire. Especially knowing that zodiacal light is located within ark of milky way, that was imagined by ancients in form of egg. In case of vedic scolarship of seeing God as Light is equality of Fire (Agni), Thunder (Indra) and Sun (Surya) all being at their base forms of Light. One could include all stars and figure out why metaphora of God being all Angels in jewish traditions played out as phenomenology of Light Itself. Then of course there were presocratic greeks who saw God not just as light, but also as wind, and our spiritual concepts usually associated with it (pneuma), as well as breath. Yajnavaklya had sight big enough to say that God is both is and isn't Light and Darkness, and all natural phenomena while participating in brahman, also isn't brahman at the same time, since its not limited by it (after all your perception of senses is only in your mind's eye, there's no outside for the Atman, that saying philosopher who would challenge advaita would also note that Atman could also be both is and isn't Brahman, akin to other limited phenomena, just like siddhanta view of advaita as non-separateness, not absolute equality to God). Some renaissance scholars seen vedic concepts in orphism, by drawing Phanes similar to Trimurti Sadasiva.
That saying in orphic cult all names of Phanes and Protogonos eventually lead to same epithets of Dionysus, because orphic mysteries served as a gateway to their own united view of monotheism, Dionysos/Erikepaios is addressed as “father and son of the gods”, which is also epithet of Phanes, primeval "secret offspring of Zeus", Adonai and Christ function in same vein of father being equal to son. Ages being created through Son of God, is part of Orphic theogonies of their Bacchic Lord. Because orphic hymns is a long puzzle of epithets and riddles that got bunch of cults of renaissance, both hermetic and rosecrucian, into confusion. They were trying to get deeper meaning of this, but i think its just orphic cult is similar to vedas in hiding unity of all in one that Heraclitus pompously openly said, and he participated in it, which is most obvious in hymn to Mousaios. I think Socrates and Pythagoras were also transgressors revealing religious secrets to the masses, one revealed their concept of daemonic, other their math, Roman temple seers used Pythagorean numerology way before him in times of Roman Kings for Temple sacred space because they are all based on indo-aryan knowledge, retold in vedas only after joining with Indians. And Orphism is just greek vedic strain.
>'God' is literally shouting at us using time, events, signs, symbols, constellations and memes
I also been cautious about true reason for mysteries and why society must be blinded. Taoists describe it as pollution: "They do not want to pollute Tao by exposing it to the idly curious. If everyone in the world could appreciate Tao, then the knowledge of Tao would be given freely." But that's because they believe Tao is non-intelligent.
Brihadaranyaka Upanishad describes it as majority of mankind being sacrifice to the Gods: "He is like a [sacrificial] animal for the gods; and just as many animals are of use to man, so is each single man of use to the gods. To be robbed of even a single animal is disagreeable. How much more to be robbed of many! And so the [gods] are not at all pleased that men should know this."
If you combine both together, masses are unappreciative sacrifice that if ascended would pollute, if all ascended would rid world of necessity of opposition and sacrifice. Even vaishnavists openly declare their understanding of Katha Upanishad as "He cannot be obtained by mere discourses, by mere learning or intellect. Whomsoever the God chooses, he can obtain him. God reveals his nature to him.", from Visnutattva vinirnaya, which is repeat of Katha's: "This Self cannot be won by preaching [Him], Not by sacrifice or much lore heard; By him alone can He be won whom He elects: To him this Self reveals his own [true] form (tanu).".
So necessity of election/chosenness is pollution and sacrifice.
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0fcf06 No.170617
>>170384
I am wondering how much ascetic Hinduism and Buddhism owes to the establishment of the cult of Anhita and the desire for purity within the flow of consciousness, whether the shrines were initially primarily dedicated to her, were the Golden One was her Son/Consort.
>An iconic shrine cult of Aredvi Sura Anahita was – together with other shrine cults – "introduced apparently in the 4th century BCE
>The words sūra and anāhīta are generic Avestan language adjectives,and respectively mean "mighty" and "pure
>Like the Devi Saraswati, [Aredvi Sura Anahita] nurtures crops and herds; and is hailed both as a divinity and the mythical river that she personifies, 'as great in bigness as all these waters which flow forth upon the earth'
The cult of the Lady, Allani, is more Hurrian than Mesopotamian in origin, but Banu as the white Lady common in Anatolian derived cultures.
>This is supported by how Ishtar "apparently"[gave Aredvi Sura Anahita the epithet Banu, 'the Lady', a typically Mesopotamian construc that is not attested as an epithet for a divinity in Iran before the common era.
So i think this the reason Quan Yin retained prominence.
>No other figure in the Chinese pantheon appears in a greater variety of images, of which there are said to be thousands of different incarnations or manifestations. Quan Yin is usually depicted as a barefoot, gracious woman dressed in beautiful, white flowing robes, with a white hood gracefully draped over the top of the head and carrying a small upturned vase of holy dew
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0fcf06 No.170627
>>170457
There were seven destructive underworld Demons associated with Scorpio, Ishara fed the imperfect to them.
As the perfect Princess her nature is to remove the unworthy from society.
>Išhara is both illness- and cure-bestowed goddess; it also seems that a number of attributes such as underground, plant, mountain, river, spring, queen of oath, sexuality, propagation, cursing, and making purification from the harmful things are given to this goddess.
>The statue of Išḫara in the city Nerissa had the form of a girl and it was decorated with garments, gold and silver As a goddess of Love and sexuality Išḫara belongs to the group of young goddesses, and therefore she bears the Hurrian epithet šiduru = girl.
So Suwala/Allani was the Lady, the Golden Queen, and Ishara was the Silver Princess in the Faerie Court, /ourgirl/, this can be seen on Assyrian-Anatolian seals were they live in a little shrine beneath the Taurus Mountain, the Land of the Little People.
>Išhara, the gods of divine oath, malediction and death! Every god is hungry and thirsty. Come here, eat and drink! And accompany me!
The entire badness, be purified from the house and the town; dirtiness, murder, perjury, sin, malediction.be tied to the hands and feet, and be pulled to the underground!” You, the Underground gods! Look, your tribute is given. Now receive this sacrifice!
>Now he sprinkled water to the fire And he said them like that: As this burning fire is extinguished, the persons who broke the oath also these oaths should catch like that and his life, his youthful energy, his safety, totally his woman and sons, they should eradicate and the oath gods should curse him dreadfully
http://dergiler.ankara.edu.tr/dergiler/18/941/11714.pdf
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e78a86 No.170716
>>170627
>The entire badness, be purified from the house and the town; dirtiness, murder, perjury, sin, malediction.be tied to the hands and feet, and be pulled to the underground!” You, the Underground gods! Look, your tribute is given. Now receive this sacrifice!
I would like to know how we can trigger this event; the OfferRing. I am still puzzling through the Ring and its significance in the world. Even your examples are 'ring' based because they are cylinder scrolls rolled out onto clay (I wish they were in better condition).
>>170601
>He's part of Inanna only as far as Venus can enter zodiacal light
I am going to have to think about this. I don't initially agree with your assessment because I was always taught that Ophiuchus was separate from all the constellations and was placed in Scorpio but not a part of it. He was the 'resolution' or hope for the future. Certainly, he has not yet come because we do not exist in 'pure light' nor is it present in this place. So Phanes is a future aspect not yet perceived. I am not sure about the idea of separation or secret knowledge either since this has little meaning in higher dimensional space/time.
In higher dimensions all of these things have already occurred we simply chose not to perceive them at this time.
Maybe it is the sages who are transgressing and prolonging this situation by refusing sacred knowledge to all humanity and not the people themselves who are unworthy recipients.
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0fcf06 No.170771
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>>170716
It triggers from within, /ourgirl/ Ishara is what might be called the conscience, but in the greater sense critical thought.
Confronted with Clown world people naturally look for the fall back religious position, and are herded toward Judeo-Christianity, which got them there in the first place, thus the fall back position needs to be much deeper and stronger.
The reason they make the mistake is that in order to establish a sound socio-religious basis for their own tradition they adopted and adapted earlier Hurrian basis of societal structure and common law, the means to maintain integrity and order within their collective, naturally those of European descent will relate to common values of their own tradition even though they are naturally excluded from ever belonging to it in terms of Israel
The natural inclination of the Hebrew is to move away from those values because they were never theirs in the first place, thus they look to cheat on their own adapted Laws or adopt the Antinomian position of the radical Left, but of course the Anatolians and Hurrians developed their religious system entirely in harmony with their natural inclinations, the desire for purity and perfection has to correspond to the capacity to understand and achieve such, thus the trigger is understanding of self in the greater sense and also difference as the basis for rejection.
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e78a86 No.170807
>>170771
How eloquent. I guess this fits fairly well into my comment about the sages transgressing and prolonging our situation here. People cannot understand the wisdom and knowledge that is not a part of their own tradition so there is no fear of them 'misusing it'. They would act like animals anyway knowing or not knowing because they are animals.
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848f27 No.170980
>>170771
>herded toward Judeo-Christianity
This is just a surface level. Lutheranism/Calvinism can be even a bigger trap to fall into than "Judeo-Christianity" or other popular forms of Christianity. Bible itself is a magical book of binding spells, both new and old testament. Jews literally believe they create angels when reading Torah, and they aren't wrong. The most peculiar is the science of consciousness redacting its own reason principle of God-perception, its similar to Chaldean Theurgy and Platonists were trying with it to reach that daemonic spirit that possessed Socrates. Where perception, point of view, decides everything. Ones a person falls into religious belief and takes word for granted he creates a daemon, that acts accordingly to spirit of the deity believed in, and is capable of programming depending on belief.
As it happens with people first they believe gospels, try to attune themselves to spirit of them and be non-judging, not to resist evil and not to rise voice on people, nor even dare to call people insane, then they read pauline letters and Paul's message replaces Christ's message in their reason-principle, if one actually believes Paul possessed "Holy Spirit", Paul's messages "patch up" the reason-principle and it becomes judging again. Its especially true to people who try to achieve upmost attunement to gospels, and actually believe in permanent possession by said Spirit, especially leaning calvinists who don't even dare to call themselves calvinists (because calling oneself anything other than christian is heresy again according to paul's letters), and resist any voice of reason from higher consciousness. They lock themselves with this single daemon in permanent duality, but all they see around themselves is heresy, and become even more judging than spanish inquisition. Ignoring the fact that their blind trust to a book made second consciousness depending on autonomy, hence why it is said that spirit "reminds" of what is written, because autonomous consciousness (reason-principle/daemon) writes itself as God-perception.
If a person was to look on what its based, from researching on original Logos of Heraclitus, looking up greek philosophy, reading older literature like bhagavad-gita and upanishads, checking out selection of vedic verses, and looking up other individuals who had case of "virgin birth" like dionysus, and who did similar miracles, and had similar mystic cults in their name, they wouldn't be so tied to a book, or just generally research on insanity of history during the conflict between romans and the jews, why this religion even exists, but the reason they are tied to a book is because of their autonomous daemon of consciousness "becoming flesh". The "word" is a powerful tool in manipulation of individual by creating laws and systems of thinking capable of becoming autonomous independent intelligences, capable of permanently clouding mind in total ignorance instead of unlocking capacity to judge. But then i don't believe it is possible for reason arise on its own unless actual divine grace breaks through established daemonic norms of reason-principle, even katha upanishad could be called "proto-calivinist", especially the way Vishnu worshipers took its meaning. Same goes for Dionysiac elect, and Zechariah's message of Spirit. All ancients spoke that God is ultimately the only teacher, and that keeps mind locked, therefore truly open mind is dependent of Higher Intellect than itself.
As for Christian security, they may have scrutinously reversed message of Krishna. Because its interesting how one said that "Whatever form, [whatever god,] a devotee with faith desires to honour, that very faith do I confirm in him, making it unswerving and secure". Since Krishna is supposedly "true dispenser" of firm established faith, hence phenomena of devotion belongs to One God. Where Christ went in reverse (Matthew 24:24/Mark 13:22), like west mentality vs east mentality, desiring to conquer. As if they were aware of this in need to conquer with this religion. Krishnaites give a bad name to themselves comparing Krishna to Christ, knowing the point message became reverse, but both books were created by Theurgists who knew how to create convincing scripture capable of maintaining autonomous daemonic consciousness. Sarvepalli Radhakrishnan put Christians as "religion that inherited the Semitic creed of the ‘jealous God’ in the view of Christ as ‘the only begotten son of God’ so could not brook any rival near the throne", he however didn't knew that Dionysus was also jealous God, which made even people think jews were bacchants, hence the case of greek mystic cults is more complicated than simple continuation of judaism.
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0fcf06 No.171010
>>170980
Lutheranism/Calvinism meet Daoist Christianity;
Now, what are the Four Essential Laws of the Dharma?
The first is no wanting. If your heart is obsessed with something,
It manifests in all kinds of distorted ways.
Distorted thoughts are the root of negative behavior . . .
The second is no doing. Don't put on a mask and pretend to be what you’re not . . .
The effort needed to hold a direction is abandoned,
And there is simply action and reaction.
So walk the Way of No Action.
http://www.aina.org/articles/dasotns.pdf
http://www.sevenpillarshouse.org/article/the_jesus_sutras_an_ancient_message_for_a_post_modernist_future/
The further removed in place and time from the proto-conceptualization of European religion the more things go horribly wrong, the Daoist and Buddhist somehow determines that a Doctrine of the Absolute and the realization of such negates the individual, that from such a determination the river can continue to flow with only one bank as it were, the Calvinist likewise abdicates his self responsibility for preaching nonsense.
Again this all comes down to capacity for critical thought, for most this involves rejecting everything that is good and conserving the stupid, it requires alignment with the Divine principle involved, and in every case outside of Anatolian derived tradition they rejected or obfuscated her, according to their natural inclinations, whilst placing emphasis on the Male spiritual figure that is somehow a product of such mysterious process.
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82b2dc No.171013
>>171010
A river with only one bank is a circle/Ring because it has no other face.
"One ring to rule them all…
One ring to find them…
One ring to bring them all…
And in the Darkness bind them"
I have had a very hard time lately working out the difference between the Fallen's religion and all religion. But I am leaning more and more to all religion is a product of the Fallen and that I am correct, there is only One true religion and that is every shared moment between you and God of Life experience; something that cannot be shared, expressed, taught or controlled. It is totally internal and thus beyond any hope of control by exterior forces.
No matter how 'far I go back' or 'which one I look to' I find the same 'authority' and 'control' systems exist within religion.
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d40211 No.171017
>>171010
Why people in the west can't realize that making yet another sect for jesus won't work to fix anything? Its just falling into trap set up by christians you already see in front of you, the preaching of "false christ". And daoism at times is egoistic search for physical immortality and mortal life longevity. Sure, early Christianity prior to writing of Revelations claimed of resurrection "in this very body", of which Porphyry strikes his commentary, and the Arthurian grail legend fits with chinks search for "elexir of immortality", but that's mostly because western alchemy and eastern alchemy have similar spiritual foundation. Daoists copied some brahmanic ideas and inserted them into impersonal system. Lao-tzu may have looked at Tao as onto Spirit, but not later talisman swallowers and poison plant eaters.
>Calvinist likewise abdicates his self responsibility
There's some irony in trusting a spirit of mythological composition and stolen ideas. Non-believing preachers would never admit its possible to not fall off from such spirit exactly because they know what nonsense they're preaching. Such is a fate of a written myth and blind faith instead of following reason. Everyone loses, believers, non-believers, strife between an atheist and the church is like a strife between the dumb and the dumber.
As for faith, true one must be mutual relationship. Its impossible without play on part of real God. Otherwise it would be a waste of life.
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3acc18 No.171021
>>158268
>>158272
Can you recommend any sources to learn more on what you're saying about caligula and nero?
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3a458e No.171036
Just found some interesting similarity between Chaldean Theurgy and Descent of Inanna.
https://dignityindignity.files.wordpress.com/2018/09/descent-of-inanna1.pdf
https://1lib.eu/book/2885690/0a2b5b
In Inanna's Descent, when she goes into the underworld, she undresses all her royal garments, passing through each of the seven gates of the underworld.
In Chaldean Mysteries it is considered that soul when descents to earth, passing seven heaven doors, it takes characteristics of the planetary spheres through which it passes before entering corporal existence, descending soul "clothes" itself during its passage through the zones of the world. Then after death undergoes reverse effect akin to Inanna's and undresses its garments, which is also teaching of Mithraists, passions and characteristics, returning to original purity.
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0db14e No.171061
>>171036
This reminds me of astro genetics.
Basically they are discussing the entanglement of ‘ball and stick’ chemistry/physics as it pertains to consciousness or the manifest soul of humanity. The manifest soul has entered the system from a trajectory that entangles it within the soul-UR system. This is the only reason that humanity can relate to astral or cosmological representation of the constellations…because they are related to your own entanglement and perception…as well as the future and your conscious understanding. Each ‘house’ of the Soul-UR system is conjoined with aspects of genetic reproduction. Meaning that they are a symbolic manifestation of the process as well as being functionally entangled with the souls manifestation in physical reality.
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fcde60 No.171083
>>169866
>worshiping the continuance of time as opposed to the complete fixed stasis of the Gods.
In Chaldean theurgy they are the first conjunction, the communication/contact Gods. Ascent of divine names begins with Time. Now i'l compare Chaldean Theurgy to Tantra.
Siva represents time as much as he's "End of Time", because he's death of death. His ultimate Shakti representation for that very reason is Kāli, since Kāli is ultimate form of time:
Sir John Woodroffe :
>Kāli is the deity in that aspect in which It withdraws all things which it had created into Itself. Kāli is so called because She devours Kala (Time) and then resumes Her own dark formlessness.
Mahanirvana Tantra:
>At the dissolution of things it is Kala (Time) who will devour all and by reason of this He is called Mahakala and since Thou devourest Mahakala Himself It is Thou who art called the Supreme Primordial Kalika. . . . Resuming after Dissolution Thine own nature dark and formless, Thou alone remainest as One, Ineffable, and Inconceivable.
What it has to do with Chaldeans? Kāli could be identified with Chronos or Nyx, and serve as first communication/contact deity. Kālidāsa, most famous poet and dramatist in India became inspired to learn Sanskrit, study the Puranas and other ancient texts, and become a great poet from praying to Kāli/meditating on her image in a temple, hence i think its his pen name (dāś means worship, veneration in vedas, so the name just means "Worshiper of Kāli"). What's important is that worship of Time God brings sudden dramatic change in life, served as conjunction to become an adept in art of calling upon divine names in Theurgy, and it fits in with nature of Kāli worship. After that come invocations and transitions by ladder of divine names, but apparently first practice for chaldean is to establish contact with God of Time, who also could be called the Ancient of Days, since those are also epithets related to Time.
But then again, even Kāli is really just one of the manifestations of powers of greater deity, should it be known as Shakti or Shiva, but in case of first still Shiva's power from Siddhanta perspective, and from anyone understanding God as androgynous, Shiva and Shakti are One. Just like for Chaldeans "Source of Sources", Father, the First Cause, owns every other in service like angels. So i wouldn't be surprised if there was a case for worship of Mahadeva/Sadasiva much after worship of Kāli standalone, even though in Her personal cult She's also seen as Absolute. Certain upanishadic seers too advised to move over from worshiping Gods to move towards Brahman, but in case of anyone knowledgeable all those Gods are already our limited perception of Brahman within acceptable view of our reason-principle, the only thing moving is our view point, and Chaldeans practiced binding and even "losing" Gods by turning sight to "earthly things", which in my opinion could be disastrous, its because of those moments i need to rely on hermeneutics of Abhinavagupta, who relied on metaphysics of Supreme Consciousness having endless manifestations on different planes of reality, depending on human perception of it, which by our limited consciousness could be perceived as impure, especially deification of phenomena, which are principles defined by words/logos and language. For Jews and Aryans such first phenomena was Agni, burning bush and fire. For Tantrics and Chaldeans it was Time. And i think first acknowledging simple phenomena as a God is the beginning of intellectual ascend to understand all pervading formless God beyond all principles and phenomena.
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0fcf06 No.171095
>>171013
That is true, a river with only one bank becomes a pool, now as for the essential meaning of the dread ring if we consider the solar eclipse, were the Sun represents the objective and the Moon the subjective, then they become as one, and that individual subjective becomes the objective, darkness falling upon the land as such an individual becomes all powerful, and in the darkness invisible, no longer having subjectivity.
The notion of the Fallen was Jewish counter narrative to Mesopotamian tradition, though the sages didn't fall they emerged from the Abzu.
There is the Moon that falls to Earth in Anatolian tradition, the origins of silver, the Moon God En-zu implying the generative power of deep wisdom, closely connected to Ishara and perfection through purification, Yahweh and Asherah highly derivative of this, but this also relates to the origins of the white people, the Moon clan as it were, and the highly derivative Jews.
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0fcf06 No.171099
>>171017
That's very funny the Chinese believing they could achieve immortality through eating the essences of the planets and the Sun and the Moon, even believing they could consume the essence of the Pole star, it was a very strange shining path they ventured along, but they've very determined i'll give them that and quite good at refinement with correct guidance, also unsurpassed in poetically imaginative and pretentious titles.
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352281 No.171189
>>170980
Very interesting concept. It would make sense from the perspective of the Scythians and other groups like Germanics who preferred to relate their history and tales through bards and song rather than have it written down. Because if everybody is reading from the same text they become "locked" into that texts perspective and cannot "feel the spirit" of things that differ from it greatly. Especially if they fixate on facts and details rather than resonate with the emotions of something like a heroic epic.
One thing I keep thinking about is in the Dune saga with its fictional bible that has the core tenet: Thou shalt not disfigure the soul.
In this case you could argue that "disfiguring the soul" is akin to bending other people's spirituality and guidance in ways that are imposed upon them.
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0ada4c No.171196
>>158228
Reminder that words "Jews" was mistranslated for "Judean." Jesus was specifically Judean. Jews are a separate group demonic group.
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0178b4 No.171478
Been browsing through few more books to continue to topic of Saturn.
I've been unearthing multiple topics of Saturn representing Time, as most popular one being Chronos(Χρόνος) and Chronus (Κρόνος) (According to Plutarch, the Greeks believed that Cronus was an allegorical name for Chronos).
But add to this post: >>171083 Kala/Kali is also representitive of Time which in popular hindu belief is also Saturn associated. That said those are borderline amateur street oracles who write this stuff. Fits however with "swastika legs" of Nataraja idol, if swastika indeed a Saturnalian symbol, because of association of advancing time with both Big Dipper and Saturn at the same time.
Because even in popular Siva cult he's more commonly portrayed as meditating ascet in his "highest yoga", and not time dance, as in Isvara Gita it is stated "I direct the entire world only as I rest in the highest yoga.", probably because of that meditating Siva is more popular modern portrayal than dancing and association with ancient depiction of Pashupati in yoga pose by scholars, once associating with all deities became a thing and polytheistic view rejected by Siddhanta religion.
This however can be wrongly interpreted, for brahman is in all materia, therefore both is and isn't all stars and celestial objects.
None of it should matter if it wasn't stated by multitude of amateur astrological literature, some of which acknowledge it by claiming Siva also as Sun itself, but in His different form. In other text Vishnu is associated with mercury, again limited viewpoint of Someone who's also devotional manifestation of Absolute. One would get this way why religious chiefs in pagan Rome hated astrologers, hence they seem to be too quick to attribute Gods to planets. I mean Planetary Magick book even attributes Saturn to Adonai Elohim, even though its plural noun for "gods", and framework for jewish mysticism of angelic hivemind, only because the book associates Saturnalian symbolism with "Ancient" archetype (but then again it fits with Set-Baal representation most perfectly).
Sources:
Ayurvedic Astrology: https://1lib.eu/book/977245/e190a8
Astrology of the Seers: https://1lib.eu/book/3658872/ab0436
Planetary Magick: https://1lib.eu/book/939171/f6e948
Most important point here to make is that literal worship of Time may be directly linked to Saturnalian occultism. It is most significant aspect of this planet. For all i know none of planets have their own light without the Sun, so all planetary confusion is mostly in hearts of people themselves. And this kind of literature is really against upanishadic viewpoint.
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82b2dc No.171728
Something I finally understood about this thread…so, I am on a lot of forums and I have found that in most of them people simply parrot what others have said. I thought that I was 'alien' here on this because no one ever thinks for themselves. I gradually began to recognize that there are people who are NPC's and then people who THINK they are not NPC's because they are repeating things that other people said (but at least they are conscious) and THEN there are people like some of the ones in this thread who are actually capable of thinking for themselves, ie making creative solutions or defining new things for themselves. IDK I guess I though that everyone has creative solutions or creative thoughts, now I realize that just as the people who can parrot are in a hierarchy above the people who can repeat, people who create are higher still than these. I guess I just thought the world was full of creators and I would become very frustrated with them when they acted like retards or that they didn't understand the act of creation. Now I know that there is only a handful of creators on the planet.
Just saying…I am very grateful for these threads and appreciative that I understand the difference between the classes or ranks of humanity that I have had a chance to read/learn and think with you all, and who cares if I didn't agree with you, just the chance of thinking with you all (rather than the endless parroting of the people who I have often come to know or conversely love despite their deficiencies) was good enough for me to understand that there are real and significant differences between the peoples of humanity.
Golden Age people - people who actually create new things on the Earth
Silver Age people - people who are capable of speaking about the Creation ideas manufactured by Golden Age people
Iron Age people - people who are capable of thinking about the Creation
Lead Age people - NPC, people who are only capable of being told what to think
I would guess that out of Billions there are only a handful of Golden Age people on the planet alive at any time and that despite what we think we are monitored, corralled, controlled and cajoled (even here; this is nothing more than a 'containment board') for people to shift our thoughts and our entire lives into being more like the slaves than real free beings. If we were free we would create the world in our own image through the creation power that is inherent in all of us.
Just like Donald Trump, coddled from birth to grave, all his debts and fuck ups totally taken care of even though he is just, at best, and Iron age thinker, we think that we are free when in fact the entire system attempts to direct us in a particular fashion so that we can't create something that would upset the balance. If we do, it is only shared quietly on this basically dead forum where no one else will ever hear our voices.
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25223d No.171741
>>171728
Well, yes, that's a conclusion of Plato in The Republic, "golden, silver, bronze, and iron races, which are Hesiod’s and your own".
>>>/pdfs/13427
>>>/pdfs/6211
>And when your rulers, through ignorance of these births, join brides and grooms at the wrong time, the children will be neither good natured nor fortunate. The older generation will choose the best of these children but they are unworthy nevertheless, and when they acquire their fathers’ powers, they will begin, as guardians, to neglect us Muses. First, they will have less consideration for music and poetry than they ought, then they will neglect physical training, so that your young people will become less well educated in music and poetry. Hence, rulers chosen from among them won’t be able to guard well the testing of the golden, silver, bronze, and iron races, which are Hesiod’s and your own. The intermixing of iron with silver and bronze with gold that results will engender lack of likeness and unharmonious inequality, and these always breed war and hostility wherever they arise. Civil war, we declare, is always and everywhere ‘of this lineage’.”
>And we’ll declare that what the Muses say is right.
>It must be, since they’re Muses.
>What do the Muses say after that?
>Once civil war breaks out, both the iron and bronze types pull the constitution towards money-making and the acquisition of land, houses, gold, and silver, while both the gold and silver types—not being poor, but by nature rich or rich in their souls—lead the constitution towards virtue and the old order. And thus striving and struggling with one another, they compromise on a middle way: They distribute the land and houses as private property, enslave and hold as serfs and servants those whom they previously guarded as free friends and providers of upkeep, and occupy themselves with war and with guarding against those whom they’ve enslaved.
>I think that is the way this transformation begins.
>Then, isn’t this constitution a sort of midpoint between aristocracy and oligarchy?
>Absolutely.
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82b2dc No.171752
>>171741
Thank you anon. Very interesting. There has to be a way out of this cycle (and of course there is) but people do not want to take it because they say "It is too hard." How I love the German ideals but how impossible they are to implement because of the same dross that infects all of the world at this point, with its own self interests, preventing anything better from ever coming into being because it requires their sacrifice (literally) to achieve all that is noble and good.
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0fcf06 No.171808
>>171478
Saturn ruled the agricultural cycle/seasons and thus became associated with time, more properly though that is a function of Jupiter in terms of establishing order and regulatory function, there is a balance between the two, that would relate to the swastika and the four cardinal points, and thus the four ages.
>The names of the four yugas of time—Satya, Treta, Dvapara and Kali—are named after "dice throws" from a game of dice popular during the Vedic period. Their order coincides with the favorability of each throw: Satya is the best throw, whereas Kali is considered the worst. During the Mahabharata, king Nala exorcises the disembodied spirit of Kali to a vibhīdaka tree (Terminalia belerica), whose fruits contain nuts which were used as the dice for the vedic dice game. Therefore, not only Kali's name, but his penchant for gambling and reputation as being evil comes from this dice game
>The nuts of the tree are rounded but with five flatter sides. It seems to be these nuts that are used as dice in the epic poem Mahabharata and in Rigveda A handful of nuts would be cast on a gaming board and the players would have to call whether an odd or even number of nuts had been thrown. In the Nala epic, King Rituparna demonstrates his ability to count large numbers instantaneously by counting the number of nuts on an entire bough of a tree
https://www.academia.edu/1538456/The_Ancient_Vedic_Dice_Game_and_the_Names_of_the_Four_World_Ages_in_Hinduism._1989
The Indus valley culture would have quartered the Heavens according to the then key points of the Zodiac, thus Summer solstice at Leo-Cancer, Spring equinox Aries-Taurus, Autumnal equinox Libra-Scorpio, winter solstice Capricorn-Aquarius. It's likely that the tree seen as representing Cancer in the Indus valley related to that tree and the nuts of fate, and that sign would thus be related to the Age of Kali, the nuts are offered to the tiger (Leo) to determine its fate.
Kali/Askanda correlated thus to the North and the constellation Cancer represented by the nut tree, the four constellations seen on the Indus valley seal Virgo/Furrow, Leo/Tiger, Cancer/Nut tree, Gemini/divided tree, the North as the beginning and the end.
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72c892 No.172031
>>171808
There's a good book on Siva's dice game covering all major myths/stories and theological metaphysics around it, if you're interested in researching on it:
https://1lib.eu/book/882248/15aeb6
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0fcf06 No.172588
>>172031
It's interesting, causality, probability, chance and cheating, Jewish authors long winded and repetitive but still interesting, particularly as their entire Antinomian religion was based on Shiva exploits, but they fail against Vishnu and ultimate reality in the reversal of their scheming.
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57b790 No.172624
>>171808
I know in previous thread anon mentioned that Osiris was Venusian deity, but have you ever wondered to compare your own knowledge of Saturnalian deity of agriculture to vegetative nature of Osiris, that he taught people how to farm and harvest grain? Maybe in a vein of Nataraja-Shiva being associated with Saturn as God having power over Time, his destructive/decomposing nature is equal to Dionysian destructive nature in a vein how Rudd described "dark side of God", who destroys man through pains of living, before reconstructing him from the dead as Apollo.
If another anon is right about seeing Saturnalian association with Dionysus, could it be that even though Osiris is associated with Hathor/Isis, is actually by syncretic tradition would be Kronos?
Orphic Hymn to Kronos admits few things about him within contexts of orphic mysteries:
>Everlasting father of blessed gods and men, resourceful, pure and mighty, O powerful Titan, you consume all things and replenish them, too. Unbreakable is the hold you have on the boundless cosmos, O Kronos, begetter of time, Kronos of the shifting stories, child of Earth, child of starry Sky. In you there is birth and decline, O revered and prudent lord of Rhea, you are the progenitor, you dwell in every part of the world. I am a suppliant, hear my voice, O wily and brave one, and to a good life bring a blameless end.
1. He "consumes all things and replenishes"
2. Associated with bacchic gold tables of resurrection by being hailed as "child of Earth, child of starry Sky"
Saturn is very important part of Adonai's god-encompassing nature of conjoined canaanite religion, harvest and farming are by association also human harvest of souls. Should those be considered wheat or grapes doesn't matter, they are still beget by Time. In fact in larger orphic tradition and metaphysics of Proclus and Plotinus - Cronos is "The One" itself. I initially only looked at it in negative meaning, but in all honesty the metaphysical God who remains after utter obliteration of everything remains to be that. Shiva, Dionysus, Chronos/Kronos and Osiris are all about soul harvest.
And then there's book of Enoch, that attributes to Azazel the scapegoat teachings of metallurgy and weapon making, instead of agriculture/harvest causation of war and violence, who's aspects are attributed to saturn through Agiel/Zazel thing. Then said soul harvest turns into allegory to means of violent mass death.
Plotinus on Kronos association with Aphrodite:
>The heavenly Aphrodite, who is said to be the child of Kronos, who is Intellect, must be a most divine soul born pure directly from him who is pure and remaining above, since she does not come into this world nor does she want to nor is she able to; it is not in her nature to come down to this world because she is a separate real existent and a Substance and has no share in matter.
In another section:
>Actually, in pursuit of Kronos, then, or, if you prefer, Heaven, the father of Kronos, she turns her activity towards him, establishes an affinity to him, falls in love and brings forth Love. And together with Love she looks towards Kronos. And her activity has fashioned a real existent, that is, a Substance. And both of them look to the intelligible world.
On The One being Intellect/Kronos:
>One could also see this from the following. Take someone who starts by marvelling at this sensible cosmos, looking at its expanse and its beauty and its everlasting motion and the gods in it, both the visible and the invisible ones, and the daemons, and all the animals and plants; let him then ascend to the archetype of this cosmos and the truer reality, and in the intelligible world let him see all that is intelligible and eternal in it with its own comprehension and life, and ‘pure Intellect’ presiding over these, and indescribable wisdom, and the life that is truly that under the reign of Kronos, a god of ‘fullness’ and intellect. For it encompasses every immortal within itself, that is, every intellect, every god, every soul, and is always stable. For why should it seek to change from its happy condition? Where could it go, when it has all things within itself? It does not even seek to enlarge itself, since it is absolutely perfect.
Last but not least, probably Osiris is actually a Sun-God in relation to agriculture having to subsist on sun, but then Kronos makes no sense not being Sun as well together with Apollo. Chaos of pagan deities makes this kind of talk pointless, but i think there's a tie somewhere, on passage of whirling movement Light of Orpheus related to Sun, also depicting Time. For Sun ultimately cause of Earth's nights and days. So Saturn/Kronos must had been a Sun God at some point. And apparently just like Dionysus under certain metaphysical explanations, Saturn (as a Roman God) used to be "Sun of Night" in Near Eastern Tradition.
Probably Shamash that you should know more about.
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8c4e37 No.172678
Since today is election day i have to finish some of my thoughts in second post.
The Roman/Greek theology about Saturn/Kronos is based on a historical allegorical error, made by astrological community attributing Saturn as a planetary deity, because Helios was already having a place as a Sun. One could perceive Sun as both a Youth deity, and Elder deity, both seemingly entrancing one another in such duality of ages within archetypes.
If Plotinus dared to call Kronos, deity associated with Saturn, "The One" itself for being source of Intelligence, i think it must be above level of planet at very least in earlier belief. And even if its Time - planet saturn is not a cause of time.
Chronos of Proclus is Sun, not Saturn, progenitor of Time, the "One". Its very "child" is allegorical day, Phanes. Phanes is Day, because Nyx He mates with is Night. Then "Cosmic Egg" may indeed be Earth/Moon collaboration as some people draw, because Phanes is literally Sunrays like Shakti of Shiva, therefore also progenitor of life, but dependent on the Sun. May as well be primordial concept of Light Itself, but depends on concept of Sun to be present, because ancients could not perceive insignificance of the Sun as a star. Then Nyx goes and nurtures Kronus, allegorical name of Chronos. Again, its the Sun, not just "Sun at Night", but "Son of Nyx". Its interesting to note about possibilities of Madonna's image also representing Black Sun to an alchemist hypothetical extend. Yet Nyx isn't known as Nyx without Sun, so he both unveils his mother's name, and is born from Her.
Ultimately there was an error somewhere when agricultural deity related to Sun was attributed to planet Saturn instead, and they had two agricultural deities (Saturn and Dionysus) and two sun deities (Apollo/Helios and again Saturn/Kronos).
Sun generates Night and Day. "The One" generates Phanes and Nyx born on "cosmic egg" which symbolizes geometry of Earth and its Moon. It all makes sense. And cosmic serpent? Milky way and all its constellations, like nordic world serpent Jörmungandr, which is everything outside of our solar system, they all go round in round circle around north pole with eventually changing pole star unlike planetary celestial objects having their own movement, so serpent "encircles" itself.
All of this makes Proclus of little use to me, since inspiration for thought is based on most simple principles. For Time must be mainly in domain of Sun first because of most important division of Day and Night, in phases of Moon, movement of Stars and swastika of Septarishis second, and Saturn as planet only third and least important. As Heraclitus puts it:
>"If there were no sun, all the other stars together could not dispel the night."
Absolute is everything and nothing, beyond Intellect, for even Intellect would be akin to body to it, just like essence of living being is prior to its memory and contemplative ability. But at our best comprehension God's Intellect is omnipresent. For mystic meanings of our solar system, even though our life is short to contemplate, are nothing more than matter. For even Sun is insignificant, my most important point was that Saturn couldn't be metaphorical father of Daylight (for it was always shady to me that Chronos came before Phanes). All those things are allegorical attempts to say God sends mystic meanings through cosmos, and that division of Time is work of God. In case of multitude of them it creates chaotic disturbed meanings like this. Especially when error is produced by astrologers.
But then again, saturn/seth worship among occultists typically tries to reverse aspects attributed to Sun. So keep that in mind. For even in alchemy saturn is lead, and Sun is gold.
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0fcf06 No.172699
>>172624
As much as Osiris was a God of the grasslands and the grain he was also primarily a tree God and of viticulture, and the syncretism of the various traditions.
Enlil was patron of the agricultural cycle from sowing to reaping his consort Sud/Ninlil was the daughter of the grain Goddess Virgo/Nisaba/Eres-kigal and the most literally deep rooted Mesopotamian God of resurrection was their son Ningišzida
The cultic centre of Ningišzida was rural Gišbanda ( also a chapel in é-anna at Uruk) meaning "Young Tree",between Ur and Lagaš in southern Sumer, his father was Nin-azu son of Ereskigal [variant tradition, of Enlil/Ninlil] serpentine and born within the Underworld
There was also correlation to the Divine child Damu, and thus Dumuzid of the Edin grasslands as well as Asar of the Abzu.
>My young man Damu, let me sail away with you, brother let me sail away with you. Ištar-ān of the bright visage, let me sail away with you,… Nin-ĝišzida , let me sail away with you
https://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/section1/tr173.htm
As Istar-An Venus Morning star
>Ištaran is the god of Der in the Elamite borderland. Although his three main traits are that of a dying god, an arbitrator and judge, and a chthonic snake god, he is also related with the sky: he is Venus (Ištar-ān) and one of his names is An-gal/Anû rabû "Great An." He appears with the lower body of a winding snake.
https://www.academia.edu/540407/Transtigridian_Snake_Gods
The cultic burial site of Sumerian Dumuzid Kings was Arali, but that is also as much a cultic site of Ningizida and Eres-kigal
>Ninazimua was a little known Sumerian goddess from the Arali Desert. Her name means 'Lady who makes the tree branches grow straight.' She was noted for her scribal skills. She became the wife of Ningishzida… Ninazimua (Lady Flawlessly Grown Branch).
https://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/section2/tr2411.htm
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d91826 No.174208
>>172699
>he is Venus (Ištar-ān) and one of his names is An-gal/Anû rabû "Great An."
I think i ultimately know what negative viewpoint of world background truly is, its even related to Morning Star, that isn't Morning Star itself. Proclean/Orphic system relies too much on ideas as "time" and "necessity", ignoring underlying motives of intellectual action outside of time.
Popular phrase "what came first, chicken or the egg"? Could be paraphrased as chicken and egg being one single substance outside of time. State of primordial chaos outside of division of ideas into forms.
Rabbi Adin Steinsaltz says from his research on Kabbalah in thirteen petalled rose:
>These factors were traditionally known as "world," "year," and "soul" ; nowadays we would call them "space," "time," and "self" (experience of one's being). Each world is distinguished from the others by the way these three factors are manifested in it. For example, in our world, physical place is a necessary external element for the existence of things; it is the background against which all objects move and all creatures function
And:
>This is the central imagery of Genesis: in the beginning was concealment and withdrawal - "darkness on the face of the deep." And out of this darkness, which follows from the existence of the screen, the mold of a world, which will be the world itself, can be imprinted.
What inspiration i find from this, is that time generated by movement of the stars must have darkness as first emanator and progenitor, kind of like Kaali in Her cult is viewed as source and dissolution of everything. Mother of Gods and all Light, Intellect capable of existing in total emptiness of darkness.
"There is no rose" ("Il n'est pas de rose", catholic carol) - flower of Venus is not Venus itself, but known from movements of Venus, illuminated and caused by the Sun. Flower paints movement on black emptiness of space, "the black one" of early Krishna and later tantric Kaali. Nyx is known only after Phanes is born and cosmic egg is cracked, but She has to pre-exist Phanes in emptyness as background of space in order to be cause of Chronos, supposed father of Phanes.
Mother is the Mother of Father of Mother's Father? In Orphic hymn to Nyx, poet uses another name of Aphrodite, calling Her Kypris. Adonis and Aphrodite function in same unison, saturnalian occultists always put venusian pentagram to bind saturn with function of Love, because then saturn replaces role of the Sun that is Adonis. All those begin in Light and Darkness. And Plotinus bluntly binds Aphrodite to Kronos, in his Love to Intelleigence.
Nyx is known from two, from Sun producing Phanes (Daylight), unveiling Night. From Venus moving in flowery pattern, unveiling Dark Rose. Light is a creation, Darkness is primordial. All of this came into place as soon as i put Chronos as Sun instead of Saturn. Ultimately there's only Nyx and what's imprinted on Nyx, and that also is Nyx. So if stars even have messages and generate Fate, then they serve as a three dimensional book of sorts, written upon a Mind's Eye of a God. But everything that exists, ultimately, if known to have a message, are about unfolding the background of existence, Pythagoras for all his fame said humanity exists to observe the heavens, creation exists to contemplate its Creator in Intellectual exchange of Atman to Brahman, of many to One. But i need to remind of Yajnavalkya and his wisdom: "‘He who, abiding in darkness, is other than darkness, whom darkness does not know, whose body is darkness, who controls darkness from within" - and same for all other natural phenomena. Since all senses perceive about this world is within our own mind's eye, and Who is within our own mind's eye has same relation to our own intellectual limit as to limit of phenomena, so Self who is other than self, background of intellectual limit. That background is essence of Immortal.
Heraclitus on essence of Light had some profound sayings, like that the world is an everlasting fire, rhythmically dying and flaring up again, and that:
>"At night we extinguish the lamp and go to sleep; at death our lamp is extinguished and we go to sleep."
On insignificance of the Sun and objectiveness to higher Authority:
>"The sun will never change the rhythm of its motion. If it did, the Erinyes, agents of justice, would bring it to trial."
Equality of Night and Day, order beyond good and evil:
>"Good days and bad days, says Hesiod, forgetting that all days are alike."
>"Hesiod, so wise a teacher, did not see that night and day are the same."
What remains at dissolution of the universe other than Nyx, if everything in the universe is product of Light, except what isn't? What remains of extinguished Light of the Soul unless eternal sleep in Nyx? To live is to die. Man inverts into background of the world when he dies, into Darkness. Hades is but a womb of Nyx. The rest of the universe is but a candle.
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0fcf06 No.174691
>>174208
There are cumulative developments and recurrent themes, Jupiter can only determine regulatory time based upon the seasons of Saturn which owe everything to the solar year, agricultural Saturn reliant upon deeper archetypes of nature, Neptunian and Uranian, were even the Venus cycle as Aphrodite Ourania is derived from the Uranian principle and the solar orbital periodics, the innermost corresponding to the outermost.
The Gods most closely related to generative power, the fire within the Cosmic ocean, are the outermost Uranian, that's the basis of Orphjic tradition, the union of Anu and Urash/Earth, they are the Gods that most naturally emerge from and return into the Underworld, the basis for resurrection Theology, this understood as Dragon power, they also tend to arrive and depart upon Dragon ships.
The Uranian Dragon Princes were masters of the waters, En-ki as such seen wearing a Dragon Helm on early Dilmun seals, creates organic life through the development of the sea serpent, and establishes the tree of Life, this being a primary symbol of serpent/Dragon cults such as Insusinak at Susa, from whence Egypt was colonized through Dragon ships sailing around the Arabian peninsula.
The Uranian needn't fear the Saturnine reaper, the basis is deeper, but not so the other way around.
>Aššurbanipal’s narration of the sack of Susa: “Their secret groves, where no foreigner had penetrated, where no foreigner had trampled the underbrush, my soldiers entered and saw their secrets; they destroyed them by fire. The tombs of their kings, ancient and recent … I have devastated, I destroyed them, I exposed them to the sun, and I carried off their bones to the country of Aššur”
https://iranicaonline.org/articles/elam-vi
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6ac841 No.174723
>>172699
>Osiris was a God of the grasslands and the grain he was also primarily a tree God
I think i should post this. Great Hymn to Osiris from "Hymns, Prayers and Songs An Anthology of Ancient Egyptian Lyric Poetry (Writings from the Ancient World) by John L. Foster".
https://1lib.eu/book/927107/21319e
Lines of importance:
>Sacred in White-Wall, Soul of the Sun
and
>god of primeval time, belonging to all mankind
Second caption from Hecates Fountain by Kenneth Grant (not really trustworthy author, because takes Lovecraft and Crowley seriously, but pure coincidence i found in this book what i was thinking about):
https://1lib.eu/book/693623/72ddbc
Page 164:
>Spirit of the Sun
>solar-phallic Spirit, the Spirit of Set
>the powers of Saturn and the Sun were originally a single power
It is known of all things Osiris lost his Phallus to Set.
Maybe if i am not mistaken the Saturnalian - Solar myth in egyptian thought is probably first case of dualism in separating negative aspect of a Deity and attributing into something. I even have to put away Re for a minute, and view Osiris as second solar deity. This kind of portrayal is extremely similar how in jewish thought negative of Adonai is separated into Satan. So attribution to planet is metaphorical. Its just brothers, Set and Osiris, are part of the same coin, like Dionysus and Apollo. Then Osiris is closer to Apollo than Dionysus. Phallic cult of Pre-Orphic Dionysus is Sethian/Saturnalian.
There's a lot of allegories to unpack, another explanation would be Chronos being positive of Dionysus and Osiris being positive of Set as all of them being saturnalian reapers, but that wouldn't change anything from metaphysical solar association if supracelestial representation is more important than planetary alignments. Under right principle they constitute rational and irrational behavioral patterns.
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0fcf06 No.175361
>>174723
The Saturnalia was important in the agricultural year and of course correspondent to the winter solstice.
The Romans considered Sol as derived from Janus after the Greek Helios born of the Titan Hyperion son of Gaia and Uranus
The Hittite Sun God was nepišaš Ištanu which looks related to the Elamite high God napirisa and Istar-an which were Uranian, so generally it can be considered the sun derives from the first principle of Heaven
In Sumer Utu was the son of Enlil the son of Anu, i expect those authors are trying to suggest Saturn as the first power and from that Satan from a distorted Sethian perspective which owes more to Mercury as generator of silliness.
The only issue with Saturn is that like all farmers he ate what he produced, his wife was Ops Goddess of works and production, maybe even Gay-ops.
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0fcf06 No.175514
>>175361
Let's consider the double Sig rune and its association with the Sun.
>The Old English name of the rune, written sigel (pronounced /ˈsɪ.jel/) is most often explained as a remnant of an otherwise extinct l-stem variant of the word for "Sun"
Now let's consider Sig-Sig the son of Utu, the son of the Sun, the light or fire within the netherworld.
Sisig in the An Anum god list appears as the offspring of Utu, and is listed directly below Mamu, a dream deity. It seems that for the purposes of the list Sisig and Mamu were divinised and contrasted as male and female, appearing on the list as brother and sister. The Sumerian word ma.mu2 means dream
Sig-sig or Sisig was the son of the North wind Ninlil and Utu, a spirit, wind, flame, light within the darkness, that which would be manifest by day was first dreamt in the underworld.
>Let the child of the sun-god Utu light up for him the netherworld, the place of darkness!
>Let him set up a threshold there (as bright) as the moon (for) all mankind whatever their names be, (for) those whose statues were fashioned in days of yore, (for) the heroes, the young men, and the the strong and mighty will march out. Without him no light would be there during the festival of the ghosts
>Sig-sig the son of Utu makes light in the dark places!
Sigsig/Hendursanga/Isum then is the Deity of the Black Sun, the fire within the darkness, his sister Ma-mu is dream. This paper on his association with the flaming torch as the night watchman and also that Isum is a variant of this archetype.
https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/42548493.pdf
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4bdc20 No.175601
>>175514
Well, just like in vedic hymns about Agni, Indra and Surya - Fire, Lightning and the Sun all being properties of Light God ( >>168776 ).
Spirit of Guiding Fire in Bacchae, and Lighting as the "Lord of Everything" of Heraclitus or, in another translation, that he "steers the totality of things".
Sometimes hymns to Indra and Agni are done together, as both Lightning and Fire in hymn to the Light. Sometimes Surya/Sun is included.
>Deity of the Black Sun, the fire within the darkness
Metaphysically that's what all stars are anon, they are all forms of Light within vastness of Nyx. Agni is also considered fire that shinest in the darkness. Vedas have hymn to Night/Nyx as well.
I am more fascinated that Her glory is also conquering darkness, i guess as starry sky. But primarily because of Agni and Indra.
For in HYMN LXXXIX to Indra that i didn't capped it says "Those who are set in enmity against us, the Oganas, O Indra, waxen mighty,− Let blinding darkness follow those our fbemen, while these shall have bright shining nights to light them." If you haven't forgot Indra's Net and its own veil of "dark cover of vision, mind and senses".
HYMN LXXXVIII to Agni points out that "Head of the world is Agni in the night−time; then, as the Sun, at morn springs up and rises."
So ultimately just like with necessity for Phanes to exist to unveil Nyx, its necessary for Agni as collection of celestial fires and Surya to be head of the world during their appropriate time.
Maybe nakedness of dark Goddess Kaali is part of similar idea that celestial lights of stars act as Night's clothes, that get undressed at dissolution of the world, akin to descend of Inanna. Ultimately Fire, Lightning and Sun serve purpose for the Night, they cannot be immortal because they subsist on consumption unlike the void. So journey to "black sun" is equal to chaldean undressing of the soul's faculties, material nature. Going onto another side in Indra's Net at process of death. I doubt idea of Lights infinite existence on sole purpose that it must be part of illusory function of the world, but a necessity to guide limited human Intelligence in experience of living. Everything eventually sleeps in the Nyx, until fire flares up again to create new world, which is both greek and hindu thought, there's a necessity for Agni and Indra's eventual death, claimed by buddhists of all people. However there must be self-reflecting Intelligence in the void, and ultimately the "First Cause" of Plato and Plotinus. Not Time, not Sun, not Saturn. But Void, non-being, Darkness on the face of the deep, every world's end and beginning. That reproduces Light and Being of Itself through process of perpetual emanation, resurrecting Agni over and over again.
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0fcf06 No.176396
>>175601
The Hindu is very weak on identifying planetary Gods, but then so were the Mesopotamians and the Egyptians because the deeper tradition was to reconcile them into one, in terms of the possession of seven auras, the Greco-Roman is after the Hurrian as per the Hesiod Theongony
It's interesting that the seven rishi could be reconciled into the singularity of the fire altar Falcon, as in Egypt all planetary aspects were considered related to Horus, including Osiris as Father and Hathor as consort.
Despite the importance of Uranus and Neptune in the mythology there function as planets appears to have been lost thus they were looking at systems of the seven lights as commencing with Saturn, which would be as per the Menorah, earlier tradition having levels of sophistication that later lacked.
It needs to be considered how much the Anzu bird mythos which first related to the Zacros mountains corresponds to the fire altar birds,and also how the Anzu chick rebelled and ended up at Mount Sarsar of the Suteans.
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e62dfe No.176425
>>176396
>The Hindu is very weak on identifying planetary Gods
Its because they are more concerned about naming every deity they worship brahman itself and identifying the Void. Ultimately Kubjika tantra is the most advanced on naming this directly. Lion of Fire being a product of voidness of the deep, made manifest from atom of consciousness.
All attempts to find consciousness in the celestial spheres is pointless if background of human intelligence is another Intelligence far beyond world comprehended by senses.
Some concepts like Agni and Indra is far more broader than their implications as deities. And Rudras used to be called emotional energies inside the body, especially the ones causing weeping, with Siva being emotion of auspiciousness, reception of grace. Since it was a running thing since 700bc in upanishads, its a big deal.
That saying, Saturn as Yama is interesting in your cap, if Yama could be Hades (as a God, not just a place), he's Dionysus too according to Heraclitus. Also stupid little thing, in jewish language hades is known as "the pit", שְׁאוֹל, Sheol. Its equal to Hades in Roman/Greek theology. In russian language Yama also means "the pit".
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c376ce No.176558
This thread is nice to see. I'm glad you all are focusing your energies on the Solar aspect of these comparative studies of religion and occultism. Has anyone read "The Initiates of The Flame," by Manly P. Hall? He has some symbolic insights that may help with your efforts like he did mine.
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4f3588 No.176669
This is magnificent stuff anons, but admittedly there is a lot of material here and I'm not sure I have the prerequisites to understand much of it.
I've been tacitly interested in exploring these questions for a long time, but never really knew where to go, until I stumbled on this thread. So I humbly ask that you consider answering some of my questions below, maybe it will prompt some helpful discussion for other anons in a similar position as I am in.
- What does the black cube in Islam mean? I know it's mentioned in the thread, but I couldn't figure it out.
- What's with pedos/homos? Why do they run the world now, and why does it seem they've always been at the top of most iterations of western society? What about pedophilia enables them to be so powerful, or is it the other way around? E.g., Plato's Symposium is pretty explicit on this, many Roman emperors were public pedos/homos, high ranking members of the Catholic church have been verified pedos, and now of course the jews and their cronies in charge of our civilization.
- What is with the number "6"? As in 666, Saturn, 6 sides of a cube, hexagons, the star of david, six letters in "Israel", the hexagon ON the sixth planet (aka Saturn)…. the list is uncannily long and interconnected.
- How do you live better or differently with your knowledge of esoterism (spiritually, emotionally, materially or otherwise)?
- Is the collapse of our contemporary civilization A) what's foretold in Revelation, by Hinduism (kali yuga), in Buddhism, etc., and B) inevitable? Is it metaphysically possible for us/me to fight it? Entropy seems to win out in the end.
- Do you subscribe to a particular religion? Specifically, I'm wondering what I should do in life. Civilization seems to be collapsing, and I'll die regardlessshould I ignore all of it, get married and have kids, become a monk, convert to some religion if you had to pick, which is the "best" religion to belong to? I was raised catholic, but I'm thinking Orthodoxy would be the best for me. I'm not sure here, looking for some guidance.
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a6feee No.176681
>>176669
>Black Cube
It is their dominance of what they think is a gate to other dimensions
>Pedos/Homos
It is a Blood Cult so in relations of how they get to control is human sacrifice. Look into Human Trafficking if you want to know more.
>Number 6
Jews have their own language, look into Gematria.
>How do you live better or differently with your knowledge of esoterism
Practice crafts, lift weights, train in combat, have a Warrior mindset.
>Collapse of our contemporary civilization
You can always fight it, don't play their game.
>Do you subscribe to a particular religion?
I was raised Christian but once I studied Theology and National Socialism I never turned back. Yes, get married and have kids, that is a given. Just keep studying, the most important thing you can do is develop and strengthen whatever knowledge and understanding you have with you God or Gods. As for the "best" religion, just learn what relations Jews have with each one and you should be good. Also study a lot in Symbolism. Just my thoughts.
Godspeed.
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5ec98d No.176796
>>176669
>black cube
the entity of many names know as satan or the demiurge trapped itself and the world inside a box. the black box represents the material realm. the box blocks us from the outside and the outside from us. the cube of saturn is also worshiped by jews not just islam. the christian cross also folds into a box quite nicely
cathar is the best sect of christianity
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8b73dd No.176807
>>176669
>>176681
>Number 6
>Jews have their own language
Revelations is a greek book, χξϛ is three symbols related to Saturn.
χ could be for Chronos, Χρόνος. as in Time.
ξ is also apparently saturnalian symbol (pic related), its just it required me to find it in reverse, pointed to the left in some contemporary book of qabalistic magic, probably somebody knows more about variations of Xi. Pointed to the top it becomes islamic symbol of allah of all things. Actually one could claim name of allah and chi xi stigma is a breakdown of brahmanic syllable "AUM" into non-sensial (heretical) meaning.
ϛ stigmata, sickle, both commie and Kronus symbolism.
Could be read from right to left like if hebrew spell, then it would be "stigma of saturnalian savior" or simply "time for harvest", but still must be separated into three 6, 60 and 600 numbers, not "tripple six" bullshit which cancels out its meaning. So three hebrew 6 on "monster energy drink" mean nothing.
Already chewed down two possible reasons for it:
One reason is that christians were trying to demonize saturnalia just like holiness of snakes to downplay greek/roman gods as devils, to vilify all differentiating symbolism:
>>156787
Another reason if book to be trusted as astrological exegesis then it would mean saturnalian messianic cult (which may be jab at the jews waiting for their own):
>>157695
But ultimately Kalki in Mahabharata predates both second coming and antichrist prior to even supposed birth of christ so i cannot take this 100% seriously. Kalki is also derived name from Time/Kala. Time Gods are always most potent in worship since Chalden theurgists understood it as gateway for ascendance, but ultimately they are all inferior of what's prior to Time itself (my personal criticism of Plotinus and Proclus putting Chronus as "the One", even Aristophanes claimed Nyx as Mother of Gods first hatched egg of Eros, and that guy was writing comedy, not philosophy).
>black cube
Hindus have their own opinion on islamic cube, they think they secretly worship negative version of Rudra/Siva and that whole thing is Lingam. In harmony of the spheres math both resulting in Indra's Net or Metatron Cube the cube is logical continuation of connected lines of ever expanding spherical shapes. And plays similar role to cross and six pointed star as sacred geometry to those people.
What's fancy to me is that celtic symbol of trinity encompasses within spheres more than just a cube, including potential movement of it by infinite harmonious conjoinment. And singular sphere ultimately encompasses all the spheres.
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0fcf06 No.176867
>>176425
>>176558
As per the Egyptian Doctrine of the Atum which permeates all things generating the Sun, the flow of that energy though was the principle of Wadjet, and relates to the electric
>The ancient Egyptian word Wedjat signifies blue and green, the sun goddess whose eye later became the eye of Horus, the eye of Ra, and as the Lady of Flame, Another early depiction of Wadjet is as a cobra entwined around a papyrus stem, beginning in the Predynastic era and it is thought to be the first image that shows a snake entwined around a staff symbol.
>When identified as the protector of Ra, who was also a sun deity associated with heat and fire, she was sometimes said to be able to send fire onto those who might attack, just as the cobra spits poison into the eyes of its enemies. In this role she was called the Lady of Flame.
>She was one of the goddesses given the title "Eye of Ra" . In fact the symbol of the "Eye of Ra" was often called "the Wedjat". In this form she was sent out to avenge her father and almost caused the destruction of mankind.
https://ancientegyptonline.co.uk/wadjet/
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4f3588 No.177384
>>176681
>Blood Cults get control via human sacrifice
I've been wondering, what is the exact mechanism of this? Is it stem cells in youthful blood give them vigor? Or do they gain the literal spiritual energy of their victims? Or by perverting themselves they prepare themselves to take any action no matter how depraved in their pursuit of worldly gain?
>>176796
>Cube represents material realm, so they worship the cube
This makes sense in the context of jews. But afaik Christianity is all about the transcendent "eternal life"… that seems pretty immaterial to me. Is that why the cube is unfolded (cross)?
>cathars
Aren't they extinct as of the late middle ages?
>>176796
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cebd5a No.177433
>>158228
Man, i've been looking at that Sirius chart for so long and only now noticed. Saturn's sign fits perfectly into vesica piscis from the cones in the center of both circles, as depiction of two triangles of Alpha and Omega as A and M in one symbol, like on certain heraldies. I was also completely ignorant the reason why Agiel and Zazel were separated into this way, in Latin Z replaces role of Omega >>160443 (Phoenician letter gave rise to latin Z). Book of Levictus treats Azazel as scapegoat, book of Enoch ascribes to him all sin, binding his hands and feet he was cast into darkness and covered by jagged rocks. "Behold a hand, behold a nail" is usually translation of YHWH used by certain christians. So when christian literature was written, Azazel served an inspiration for christ's sacrifice like a scapegoat, hand and feet nailed to a cross. So the reason why certain catholics and masonic orders use this symbol is because they admit Azazelian nature of their messiah. Which ultimately binds this figure to Saturn, maybe that's the reason why hermetic symbol of Saturn is cross-like, with a sickle attached.
Yet that's not all, it returns us back to the topic of Saturn and Sun being the same, with Set being a spirit behind the Sun >>174723 and Osiris identifying with it too. So again western duality is at play. I initially thought only venusian worshipers were victims of this polarity, but saturnalian cults seem to be even closer, especially being directly associated with death and soul harvest (and holidays).
When it comes to Zazel, it claims to be "effective in love conjurations". First letter Zayin in phoenican looks like I, in jewish cursive like S. In hebrew slang זין means "penis".
>>177384
>Christianity is all about the transcendent "eternal life"… that seems pretty immaterial to me.
Honestly desire for heaven is very material and very egoistic, no one knows what's past this life, but learns their whole life to yearn for the paradise. Especially when you curse everyone who doesn't fall in your criteria of just behavior to go to hell. I've been contemplating this for long, there's no way to grow if you cling to saving your life, and because of that making compromises, beliefs are temporary, works must not be done for personal benefaction or expectancy of their fruits to do you any good. Mind at perfect condition must be free from care for afterlife. For outside of time its irrelevant from ties of fate, and everything told to you being a myth. If a person because of lose of faith into afterlife becomes deranged materialist, he was always like this, just on the inverted side expected a "reward" for every deed afterwards, its akin to virtual wealth. Wisdom and reason should be primarily goal, sanity of right philosophical exegesis, without presuppositions. Order is better than good, evil is just form of disorder.
>Is that why the cube is unfolded (cross)?
In hermetica symbol of cube is closely linked with saturnalian cross imagery, and finite existence. I assume its death transition, hence why Freemasons draw a Tomb below their contemplative imagery. Its just symbols of death. Cross over abyss of hades in orthodox icons of resurrection is also drawn with tombs.
>This makes sense in the context of jews.
As far as jews go totafot/tefillin are sign of submission to their God. Its a commandment to wear one in Exodus and Deuteronomy. To remember Exodus that never happened, that means to attune to god of their scriptures.
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5ec98d No.177661
>>177384
>Aren't they extinct as of the late middle ages?
yes, they were branded as heretics by the catholic church and brutally persecuted. they believed the old testament was an evil god and the new testament was a different non evil god
very based and gnosticpilled of them
> Is it stem cells in youthful blood give them vigor?
research adrenochrome. youthful blood supposedly has incredible healing benefits. the younger the better. this is why kikes suck the blood from a circumcised baby's dick. now adrenochrome takes it to another level. instead of just harvesting children's blood like vampires, they torture the child first. extreme levels of fear cause the blood to become iodized with adrenaline. this works with animals too, supposedly the terror makes the meat taste better. chinks do this shit all the time, torturing animals before slaughtering them.
children's blood iodized with adrenaline is supposedly the greatest drug you can get. many elites are horribly addicted to it.
this shit has been shown off in popular culture. two notable examples are monsters inc, yes the children's animated movie, where monsters terrorize children which gives them a source of power. the main conflict in the movie is from a monster who finds a more efficient way to harvest this energy. instead of simply terrorizing the child he creates a device which is implying its meant to be used to torture a kidnapped child probably to death.
the other is fear and loathing in las vegas. it has the main protag take literal adrenochrome. they even call it that, even tho adrenochrome is supposed to be just a conspiracy. the protag gets the drug from his friend who got it from a "satanist".
expired epipens supposedly have a similar effect to adrenochrome. this is why epipens are so fucking expensive
>>177433
>Honestly desire for heaven is very material and very egoistic
absolutely agree. heaven is typically thought of as a material realm similar to this one except all the "bad" things have been removed. notice how islam promises x number of virgins in the afterlife. this implies psychical pleasure can still be experienced, implying you would still have a psychical body.
hell is often described as your psychical body being tortured for all eternity. pain being purely psychical you can't call hell immaterial
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c7bf19 No.177869
>>177433
Please explain your choice of heraldry in that image?
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73e698 No.177931
>>177869
Just some random examples of AM where M replaces Omega symbol. One is for Oberschönegg, municipality of Germany. Another is for Quézac (Lozère) former commune in Lozère, France. Its a predominantly catholic, they sometimes draw it as upside down ω or ѡ alone, undoubtfully it also stands for Mary, maybe Rosicrucian shenanigans of cross inside Mary, male and female principles as end and beginning, forming into geometry of masonic and solomonic mystic symbol.
I cannot expect it to not be tied to mariology to some extend, because this M is used as a base for cross in geometries where it isn't replaced by A.
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f74c42 No.177962
>decide to revisit the book about Proclus of Constinople in sense of mary worship and apparition
>see this
At this point i'd believe the actual divinity was taking a piss with the way christianity was heading. And here i wanted to think about relation of eternal Nyx and Kaali to Mary in terms of divine Motherhood being comparable to divine Fatherhood, yet i am forgetting that christians are deranged people and always were. There's certainly something unholy was happening at Nicea/Byzantium, i just can't tell what. It boggles mine bacchanic mind.
I also went and read the book of Inanna and noticed Song of Songs has Sumerian basis, i think jews took Inanna's worship during Canaan age in form of Asherah, then songs attributed to Inanna became Asherah's poetry, and then after destruction of Asherah cult for Adonai - impersonal.
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914ab5 No.178466
>>171061
Actually here's a challenge in comparison.
7 royal garments of Inanna/Ishtar
7 planetary spheres of passing through corporeal existence of Chaldean Oracles
7 "powers of wrath" in gnostic Gospel of Mary Magdalene
I'l go by their order of "undressing" (ascending from corporeal existence = descending into the underworld):
First Gate: shugurra, the crown of the steppe (agâ crown or turban) -> darkness -> Moon
Second Gate: small lapis lazuli beads -> desire -> Mercury
Third gate: strand of egg shaped beads over the breasts -> ignorance -> Venus
Fourth gate: breastplace (pectoral which is called "Come, man, come" over her breast) -> death -> Sun
Fifth gate: gold ring -> realm of the flesh -> Mars
Six gate: lapis lazuli measuring rod and measuring line -> foolish wisdom of the flesh -> Jupiter
Seventh gate: royal robe (pala dress) -> wisdom of the wrathful person -> Saturn
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0fcf06 No.178581
>>177433
It's called the Auspice Maria, under the protection of Mary, the French imported thousands of such rings to the Americas, as trade and conversion goods, but it looks to have developed from Masonic iconography of the Pillars and set square/compass.
http://corpuschristimuseumlabelle.blogspot.com/2010/06/rings.html
https://scavengeology.com/so-called-jesuit-rings-french-fanaticism-native-american-trade-and-spanish-treasure/
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5783ee No.178695
Something really profound on importance of contra-sexual imagery, a pity mostly used for description of Qabalistic symbolism, in Gareth Knight book of a practical guide to it. Explains necessity of female worship quite remarkably though, even if tries to tie psychology to it. I want to add that "all-masculine bias" should be applied not just to Protestant theology, but to Islam and Judaism too. Their polarity of attuning themselves to mars and saturn produces only irrational cruelty and wrathful behavior. This system could be explained within celestial sphere association with degradive patterns of behavior instead of using jewish mysticism.
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623de2 No.178958
>>178695
Interesting anon. The last two paragraphs are the clincher.
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3d38c7 No.179036
>>178958
Those Qubalistic/Qliphoth books are quite profoud if you learn how to read them "between the lines" and not to fall for the mythical figures in their mystic teachings. Even best of Qliphoth stuff i found out was written by "our guys" of all things.
Like for example in The Tree of Death the Qliphoth by Jhon Gee author talks about Surya (Sun) becoming Asurya (Setting Sun, Anti-Sun) in a way Vidya/Avidya or Dharma/Adharma dualities exist, vision ignorance, virtue and vice viewed in concept of Ashura being ultimately symbol of black sun, and Assyrians probably were actually aryan black sun worshipers who went into middle east as foreigners, and got vilified later by the semitic crowd of sumeria (hence aryans vs pani merchants encounter from the previous thread, star worshipers vs worshipers of setting sun and the sacred tree, who by this book implied to be Aryans).
>>158268
>You will notice a pattern of slander by the jews against anyone who opposes them and the people who are most successful are slandered the most viciously (Nero, Hilter, Caligula, etc, etc)
I've been scrolling through Qabalah, Qliphoth and Goetic Magic by Thomas Karlsson, Thagirion was associated with Nero and Hitler, as well as serving as "anti-christ" figure in mystical teachigns of those people, how come you equate Nero, Hitler and Caligula? For all i know christians hate Nero for burning them alive, then they later burned people just like Nero. Jews also hate Hitler for "burning" them in ovens in a similar way, putting holocaust (burnt offering) as a sacrifice. Maybe real "slanderer" is fire, and anon in previous thread was right >>158110 on the nature of "light" of this world. For hence eternal fire still burns for dead soviet soldier. But not for black sun germans.
A bit of my own philosophical exegesis on that, you can ignore it.
One would wonder deeply if white race are children of Asurya, and not Surya. For us to realize emptiness and void. After all white race must be perfection of God's creation, so as perfection we simply cannot worship stars, not because we're unwanted children, but because we're born out of unborn spirit pervading everything in void. So the black sun is not really symbol of darkness, but rather inversion of material into spiritual, being into non-being as intellectual God/Goddess of wisdom holding reign over immaterial, as highest and most perfect way. Gnostics to some extend were right to "hate" archons, but in reality hate of archons is hate of celestial objects and cloud of souls faculties, expressed by chaldeans and sumerians as clothes of the soul, but ultimately disdain for astrology and worship of material "visible gods" of plato/plotinus, who were wrong on the ground of mistaking stars/celestial objects for something that is essence of the Svetaketu's seed. Its not the seed that's a God who you're part of, but the emptyness inside the seed. Which by Heraclitus is known as "Wisdom" who is "alone is whole, and is both willing and unwilling to be named Zeus." That Wisdom is equal to Sophia and Yajnavalkya's upanishadic dialectics of Brahman not just doubly negated by "neti neti", but also "is and isn't" Light Darkness and other natural phenomenta, which ultimately ends at Atman and personal soul being limit of all pervading impersonal, whose original state is void even by jewish genesis, darkness on the face of the deep.
Yet there's one mistake we made. That mistake is clearly thought out in "Gnostic Mysteries of Sex Sophia the Wild One and Erotic Christianity by Tobias Churton". Its the idea of "conversion of the jews", which is considered final consummation of history by troubadour poets and rosecrucians in their manifesto. I left the cap in. Its almost like if Goddess and white people wasted themselves at attempt to make crooked straight, to make jews "right" and it utterly failed. Now we all pay the price. Because i humbly think jews are of this world, ultimately archonic.
Sources:
Contra-sexual image -> A Practical Guide to Qabalistic Symbolism
https://1lib.eu/book/3570677/481e23
Comparison of Hitler to Thagirion -> Qabalah, Qliphoth and Goetic Magic
https://1lib.eu/book/871450/eef264
Surya-Asurya cap -> The Tree of Death & the Qliphoth
https://1lib.eu/book/1164174/6285c0
"Till the conversion of the jews" -> Gnostic Mysteries of Sex: Sophia the Wild One and Erotic Christianity
https://1lib.eu/book/2635043/ef6f7d
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0fcf06 No.179042
>>179036
There's a difference between Old Assyrian and the Neo Assyrian, it became increasingly Semitic originally predominantly Southern Caucasian based.
But here's a deep dive, the Trojan war mythos was to a considerable extent influenced by the 5th century BC conflict between Assyria and Susa/Elam, this involves reclaiming the statue of Inanna incarnate as Nanaya.
>The Kuyunjik tablets texts describe how 1,635 years before the goddess had become angry and left her abode, since then staying in Elam in unbeftting circumstances. The return of the goddess is here represented as the execution of an ancient divine command, with Ashurbanipal taking the role of the predestined champion of the gods who brings Nanaya back to her sanctuary E-hili-anna at the Eanna temple in Uruk.
The Goddess Nanaya was understood as the physical incarnation of Inanna and the perfection of beauty, just as the Greek Helen was held to be the very representation of Aphrodite.
>The king justifes his attack on Elam as divinely ordered retribution for wrongs committed against his ancestors, more specifcally a destruction wrought 1,635 years ago:
>Kudur-Nanhundi, the Elamite who did not respect the oath by the great gods, who in his madness trusted in his own strength, brought his hand against the sanctuaries of the land of Akkad and ruined the land of Akkad”
https://www.academia.edu/7019430/_I_read_the_inscriptions_from_before_the_flood_Neo_Sumerian_influences_in_Ashurbanipal_s_royal_self_image
>According to a lost work of the Trojan War Cycle, Aethiopis, a contingent of Ethiopians turned up at the siege of Troy, the idea seems ridiculous but what lay behind the mythological and legendary claims is highly interesting.
another Trojan ally arrives, Memnon, son of Eos and Tithonus, leading an Ethiopian contingent and wearing armour made by the god Hephaestus. In battle, Memnon kills Antilochus, a Greek warrior who was the son of Nestor Achilles then kills Memnon, and Zeus makes Memnon immortal at Eos' request.
Memnon however is not of Ethiopia but of Susa in Iran, and it is this connection that has long puzzled scholars as well as his supposed connection to Dynastic Egypt.
>But Memnon himself was, as Tithonus related to the East, and he is said to have built a palace of many colored and shining white stones bound with gold in the city of Ecbatana. For Memnon, starting from Ethiopia, overrun Egypt and conquered the East as far as the city of Susa, which he surrounded by walls. So Memnon, although being king of the Ethiopians, came to Troy, not from what today is called Africa, but from Susa, not far away from the river Tigris, in the land that later became Persia. And when he made his march to the west, he subdued all the peoples that lived between Susa and Troy.
There are greater archetypes involved with Memnon as the Son of the Dawn and the light-bringer.
>According to Quintus Smyrnaeus, Memnon came not from the east, but was raised by the Hesperides on the coast of Oceanus. This would make Memnon king of the west and son of the east, as his father Tithonus was a Trojan by birth; from the western Ocean Troy lies towards the dawn (the east), the true homeland of Memnon's father. His mother Eos was also the mother of the west wind Zephyrus, which according to Homer blows from the ocean to give cool air to humanity. The goddess Dawn and her father Hyperion (god of the sun) travel from the east to the west to bring light to the whole earth.
http://sites.uci.edu/dabirjournal/files/2017/09/4_03_D.T.-Potts.pdf
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711cf3 No.179046
>>179042
>The Goddess Nanaya was understood as the physical incarnation of Inanna
Why it always needs to be this way? Krishna being incarnation of Vishnu, Christ being incarnation of Adonai. Those "incarnations" always create disturbance and human worshiping element. Especially when they are product of competent theurgists. Human is no better archon than a star is. Its all material limit. And then we get mental over some people literally being representation of gods on earth. Same with historical buddha at times viewed as temporal incarnation of any celestial buddha, since those people have total chaos at hierarchy because of differences of sutras inspired by indian gods. The real madness is submitting to anything less than God. At the end of it, by catholic means, Mary is also seen as legendary incarnation of sort. One cannot disattain John to Elijah symbolism either in this respect. Point being men are insane, they either think themselves God, or other men as God, or they believe no God at all. At worse cases thinking material lamps of light are visible gods. What a state of utter disbelieve.
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0fcf06 No.179053
>>179042
Typo on the 7th century conflict not 5th, but what one finds is that there was a greater ideological basis for the war against Susa relating to the claim of the son of the dawn
In the prologue to his Prose Edda, Snorri Sturluson euhemerises Thor as a prince of Troy, and the son of king Memnon by Troana, a daughter of Priam, thus a person of interest
It was in fact through Susa that trade contact with Upper Egypt had first been established as early as 3,600 BC through the Persian gulf and around the Arabian penisula landing on the Red Sea coast, at that time Susa was part of the Urukian sphere of influence.
Only in very recent times has this connection been fully realized, that Susa had made contact with Naqada II culture indeed likely facilitated it, and thus laid the foundations for Dynastic Egypt, thus the associations found in the Trojan epic have a very sound basis
In the Aethiopis the King of Susa intervenes at the behest of the Assyrians but in fact it was Ashurbanipal that was the protagonist, he also makes a point of discovering the secrets of the secret groves of Susa and destroying the graves of it's Kings.
The tree that most strongly relates to Elam is the Elm, the tree of dreams within the underworld and the tree upon which vines were often grown
>an Assyrian relief of the 7th century BC depicts the king Ashurbanipal reclining as he enjoys a banquet beneath a tree hung with bunches of grape
>In the midst an elm, shadowy and vast, spreads her boughs and aged arms, the home which, men say, false Dreams hold in throngs, clinging under every leaf.
The first reference in literature to elms occurs in the Iliad. When Eetion, father of Andromache, is killed by Achilles during the Trojan War, the Mountain Nymphs plant elms on his tomb
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0fcf06 No.179059
>>179046
It was considered an essential link between the Gods and humanity, the Feminine archetype corresponded to the Elm in Nordic mythology as the tree of dreams, much of history being fought over dreams.
>Of the destined dead at Troy the first;Your tomb with thick-foliaged elms they covered, The nymphs, across the water from hated Ilion.
Trees full of anger; and whenever that wall they see, Of Troy, the leaves in their upper crown wither and fall. So great in the heroes was the bitterness then, some of which still Remembers, hostile, in the soulless upper branches.
The Elm represented the original dream, the vine growing upon it the sacred bloodline. As original dream also associated with the ideal.
>In the American Revolution 'The Liberty Tree' was an American white elm in Boston, Massachusetts, in front of which, from 1765, the first resistance meetings were held against British attempts to tax the American colonists without democratic representation.
>In the French Revolution, too, Les arbres de la liberté (:Liberty Trees), often elms, were planted as symbols of revolutionary hopes, the first in Vienne, Isère, in 1790, by a priest inspired by the Boston elm.[78] L'Orme de La Madeleine (:the Elm of La Madeleine)
>Liberty Elms were also planted in other countries in Europe to celebrate their revolutions, an example being L'Olmo di Montepaone, L'Albero della Libertà (:the Elm of Montepaone, Liberty Tree) in Montepaone, Calabria,
https://magickalspot.com/elm-tree-symbolism-meaning/
The Greeks knew that there were some very strange issues involved in the Assyria-Susa conflict and these inspired the Illiad as conflict between East and West, the first light of the son of Eos.
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53cf45 No.179067
>>179053
So basically you read Homer's Iliad and thought it was good for comparative religious study?
Heraclitus said this about Homer:
>When Homer said that he wished war might disappear from the lives of gods and men, he forgot that without opposition all things would cease to exist.
>Homer should be thrown out of the games and whipped, and Archilochos with him.
And that:
>Homer was an astronomer.
Homer and Hesiod based their view on Mesopotamian antiquity and called their observations muses. Be careful of trusting every greek. They are copy cats too.
Have you ever read the following?:
Hesiod and the Near East
https://1lib.eu/book/2693798/de2f67
Greek Myths and Mesopotamia: Parallels and Influence in the Homeric Hymns and Hesiod
https://1lib.eu/book/647430/593a83
The East Face of Helicon - West Asiatic Elements in Greek Poetry and Myth
https://1lib.eu/book/2758188/7232c5
The gods rich in praise : early Greek and Mesopotamian religious poetry
https://1lib.eu/book/2947013/e46e66
Mind you the Orphic theogonies differ from it, as i pointed out in previous thread, in comparison to Vedic world view >>153339
So there's two strains of Mesopotamia inspired teaching and indo-aryan inspired teaching among the greeks.
>>179059
I cannot go against your tree mythology though. Vedas and Bhagavad gita both speak of some kind of mythical tree with inverted roots. Roots above, braches below.
Roots above because planted in heavens, branches below because obviously of humankind being streaming branches of it, as in inseparation from otherworldly essence in mythical inspiration.
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623de2 No.179075
>>179036
>Christian's hate Nero for burning them to death.
Only he didn't. You have to be very careful about the lies and timelines because the jews have destroyed all of modern history to accommodate their 'romantic vision' of their destruction and massacres of humanity.
Nero Germanicus
Born 15 December 37 AD
Died 9 June 68 AD (aged 30)
Nero fought the jews who were overthrowing the Republic not Christians. Remember that Christians didn't really come into being until long after Nero was dead. If we say Christ died in 33AD (or later) then Nero would have been 4 years old when Christ died. Even back then religion didn't spread like wildfire, there was no internet; even a letter might have taken 1 year to reach a place and 1 year to return a response. Christianity wasn't 'overthrowing the Republic' but judaism sure was active at the time, as well as Mithraism (pro-homosexual religion). Christianity would still be in its 'infancy' for the next 100 years when Nero was born. The Gospels weren't even written (first two in 70AD, others about 100 years +/- later) before Nero died.
Nero fought the jews not Christians.
Nero burned jews, not Christians.
Why would I be upset about Nero burning his, the Republics or our mortal enemies? These same mortal enemies would cause the horrific death of billions through their machinations and grasping for power…they deserved to be burned alive (but only so that they could not return to this mortal realm and disturb it more; this is why the jews fear holocaust because they cannot return here, to parasite further, if that is the method of death).
We are taught to hate Nero as a tyrant when it fact he was the last light that stood up to the tyrants. When I used to go on Nero's wiki page it listed his marriages, being German (not 'Roman') he would have had a very strict moral upbringing about sexual deviancy like all Germans did…now Wikipedia has pedophilia (with child torture) and homosexuals listed as 'wives'. But we know that these are the activities of the jews of the region and not Germans who had extreme moral prohibition against such things.
The jewish war, brewing and active long before Christs death or Nero's birth, culminated during Neros reign 66AD but he was the instigator and commanded that the troops root out the parasitic plague which had nothing to do with Christ (indeed they were Christs own murderers; Christ warned his followers to leave when they saw it coming but he did not condemn the Romans for their behavior; who would). Wikipedia has a 'one liner' in it about possibly the most important war, in terms of it being the product of MASSIVE jewish devastation and 'revenge' for the last 2,000 years against Whites, in all of modern history. This was the largest blow to the Hidden Empire that has lived to perform the worst torture murder and devastation that has ever occurred here on the planet.
>In 66, there was a Jewish revolt in Judea stemming from Greek and Jewish religious tension.[105] In 67, Nero dispatched Vespasian to restore order.[106] This revolt was eventually put down in 70, after Nero's death.[107] This revolt is famous for Romans breaching the walls of Jerusalem and destroying the Second Temple of Jerusalem.[108]
So the reason for the fall (and deaths of hundreds of millions) of the USA, Germany, WWII and WWI as well as attempted genocide of Europeans and other wars like the 30 years war all stemmed from the 66 war and Nero's attempt to destroy the devouring parasites from his empire. As well as having the byproduct the 2,000 year occupation and murder of 100 million Europeans via the (((Catholic Church))).
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623de2 No.179076
>>179075
Nero and Caligula were the last great kings on this planet outside of Hitler to attempt to stand up against this destroying parasitic Empire that has slaughtered the entire planet on a whim.
"You have not begun to appreciate the depth of our guilt. We are intruders. We are subverters. We have taken your natural world, your ideals, your destiny, and played havoc with them. We have been at the bottom of not merely the latest Great War, but of
every other major revolution in your history."
- Mayer Amschel Rothschild on his deathbed, 1812
"Wars are the Jews’ harvest, for with them we wipe out the Christians and get control of their gold. We have already killed 100 million of them, and the end is not yet."
~ Chief Rabbi in France, in 1859, Rabbi Reichorn
When you take the time to investigate the history then you might unravel what is really being said in the occult but study of the real history of the time is paramount because the shit that people are fed today are total jewish lies. I can't comment on anything until your history is aligned more with the Truth.
I don't think people really grasp what they are up against when they talk about the jews…and no one ever mentions the parasitic Global Empire that has slaughtered more than a billion people (probably far more than this) to continue their alien parasitism on the planet.
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623de2 No.179085
>>179076
The extremely short list of people the jewish parasites have murdered due to the thoughts and machinations of their latest political retardation 'communism':
"For those who prefer totals broken down by country, here are reasonable estimates for the number of people who died under Communist regimes from execution, labor camps, famine, ethnic cleansing, and desperate flight in leaky boats:
China: 40,000,000
Soviet Union: 20,000,000
North Korea: 3,000,000
Ethiopia: 2,000,000
Cambodia: 1,700,000
Vietnam: 365,000 (after 1975)
Yugoslavia: 175,000
East Germany: 100,000
Romania: 100,000
North Vietnam: 50,000 (internally, 1954-75)
Cuba: 50,000
Mongolia: 35,000
Poland: 30,000
Bulgaria: 20,000
Czechoslovakia: 11,000
Albania: 5,000
Hungary: 5,000
Rough Total: 70 million
(This rough total doesn't include the 20 million killed in the civil wars that brought Communists into power, or the 11 million who died in the proxy wars of the Cold War. Both sides probably share the blame for these to a certain extent. These two categories overlap somewhat, so once the duplicates are weeded out, it seems that some 26 million people died in Communist-inspired wars.)" - Matthew White, Atrocities 2011 pg 455-456
Far from being 'inclusive' this is only a tiny fraction of their murders, tortures and terrorism on the planet.
>"The Communist soul is the soul of Judaism. Hence it follows that in the Russian revolution (the slaughter of 100 million European Russians), the triumph of Communism, was the triumph of Judaism."
- ' A Program For The Jews And Humanity ' by Rabbi Harry Waton.
Did communism 'triumph' though? How so? The only thing I see their 'triumph' in is in the murder of 100 million Russian Europeans and hundreds of millions of others.
The jews are a literal hidden machine of slaughter on this planet. Nothing more.
>I am certain that Rothschild for his part greatly values the merits of Marx, and that Marx for his part feels instinctive attraction and great respect for Rothschild. This may seem strange. What can there be in common between Communism and the large banks? Oh! The Communism of Marx seeks enormous centralization in the state, and where such exists, there must inevitably be a central state bank, and where such a bank exists, the parasitic Jewish nation, which. speculates on the work of the people, will always find a way to prevail ….” ~ Michael Bakunin, 1871, Personliche Beziehungen zu Marx. In: Gesammelte Werke. Band 3. Berlin 1924. P. 204-216
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0fcf06 No.179093
>>179067
I wouldn't go mad with the comparative study but elements which relate to the Assyria-Elam conflict are certainly incorporated into the Trojan war mythos, including the abduction and recovery of Helen as Nanaya, the reclaiming of a statue after 1,635 years
There was a greater dispute which even goes back to the Lord of Aratta mythos and Uruk claiming the shrine and religious artifacts of the cult of Inanna in Aratta Elam and involves which was the primary founding culture, it was actually Susiana which had expanded into the Uruk sphere, the Assyrians were again trying to reclaim the status of primary cultural basis by eradicating the claim of Susa, in the Illiad this is the Greeks destroying the Trojan elder culture, yet subsequent dynasties tending to claim descent from such.
It seems to be primarily the Feminine symbolism of the Elm/Elam that relates to Susa, it might even be considered that Assyria is claiming the corresponding Masculine status of the Ash in Ashur
>Ashur is depicted in a winged disk hovering on top of a tree, for instance, in Ashurnasirpal's throne room in Calah which was inscribed with "vice-regent of Ashur".
The Ash claiming the Elm as bride understandable in terms of Germanic mythology and the cult of the sacred grove, this also applies to Elm street Los Angeles
I'll have a read of Hesiod in the East.
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8c679c No.179237
>>179093
So do you think Ashur in Canaan transformed into female Asherah as symbiosis between Inanna and Ashur? Because "Asurya" as antipode of the Sun could be both. Also Virgo x Leo must be part of it. In case of Asherah's tree representation she literally stand on a Lion, who Inanna simply rides.
I also been thinking of Sopdet, mother of Venus, relationship as in fact that Leo rides in certain iconography just prior to Sopdet. Also probably relation to zodiac, which i ignored for a while.
Point being of course symbolism of good old sphinx, which is head of a woman but body of a lion, as in end and beginning of zodiac, virgo and leo. Which is probably real reason for A (sometimes as cross) and M as Mary, so lion growing out of virgin (like in certain german rosecrucian image, which points on equality of male and female aspects of God, as well as older imagery from Baltinglass Abbey, Ireland). Probably semitic lion bodied cherubs also have something to do with zodiacal exegesis. Even Hindus portray Shakti (Durga) usually near or riding a Lion (while Kaali standing on corpse of Siva), also Shiva is the very word for "auspicious", so again repetition of Shiva/Shakti principle, as well as Lion/Virgo in "Auspicious Mary" wording of beginning and end of zodiac, if they are counted as closing constellations.
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0fcf06 No.179384
>>179237
Ashur correlates to Asha/Isha, the principle of upright righteousness, thus the association with the world axis tree, Ashera/Ishara is the principle by which uprightness is achieved, through refinement, discrimination and rejection of unworthy considerations, thus the passive/negative Feminine principle establishes the dynamic Masculine position which also includes accepting and acting upon all things considered.
In Sumer Nisaba was Virgo, also the Queen of Eres/Uruk (Eres-kigal) and corresponds to Hurrian Allani/the Lady, her daughter Sud/Nin-lil as the consort of En-lil corresponds to Asherah consort of El, derived from Anatolian Ishara.
Nisaba and Sud are both grain Goddesses, but that led to Nisaba being the patron Goddess of scribes and records and Heavenly plans, these can correspond to Demeter and Persephone
>When Enlil was syncretised with Aššur, the highest god of the Assyrian pantheon, Ninlil consequently became Aššur's wife and was identified with Šeru'a.
>Ninlil's Akkadian name became Mulliltu, Mullil and Mulliltu can also be analysed as words derived from the Akkadian verb "to be pure" (participles of elēlu D "to purify")
Ninlil could be associated with the chill purifying nature of the North wind, a very cool Goddess.
When the Jews eradicated the worship of Asherah they removed the principle of the conscience, critical thinking, purity of thought, rejection of evil, the potential for the upright man, only the potential for discord never harmony.
http://oracc.museum.upenn.edu/amgg/listofdeities/ninlil/index.html
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bd1c95 No.179577
Apparently Akhenaten had vassals in Canaan. From book of Hiram:
>The peasant Canaanites became known as Hebrews from the word 'Apiru. More than three hundred cuneiform tablets have been found at Tell el-Amarna, capital of the Egyptian Pharaoh Akhenaten (1353-1335 BCE). Many contain correspondence between Akhenaten and his vassal kings in Canaan which reveals that Egypt was losing control of its subject states, including those in Canaan, itself beset by problems inflicted by these mysterious 'Apiru. From the descriptions given it is clear that the 'Apiru came from outside the ranks of normal Canaanite society and acted as hired agricultural workers, mercenaries or even outlaws. One letter tells how a group of 'Apiru, led by someone called Lab'ayyu, took control of the city of Shechem in the central hill country of Canaan
I found many letters related to it. Amarna letter EA 252 claims ruler of modern Tel Gezer, Milkilu, was consorting with Apiru (landless nomads), then Milkilu in Amarna letter EA 271 claims that there's war on them and king of the Canaanite city of Gath (Tell es-Safi), Šuwardata by Apiru. Suwardata claimed only him and Abdi-Heba (chieftain of Jerusalem during the Amarna period) were at war with Apiru, and all his brothers have abandoned him.
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0fcf06 No.179636
>>179577
A lot of the names involved were Hurrian as the rulers of the various states, Suwardata after Suwala
>Where did the Hebrew tradition borrow the name and the conception of Šuwala as a goddess of the netherworld? – Possibly in Jerusalem, where Hurrian dynasty was ruling at least from the 14th to the first part of the 10th century B.C.
>The very name used by the Egyptians for Canaan since the early 15th century B.C. was the Land of Ḫor (Ḫ3r)1, a word which at first had an ethnic connotation, designating the Hurrians, but was later used geographically and survived in the “Horites”.
>Jerusalem was apparently a Hurrian-controlled city before it was captured by David. During the Amarna period, the king of Jerusalem was named Abdi-Heba , another mixed Hurrian-Semitic name meaning “servant of [the goddess] Heba.”
>Araunah (or Aravnah/Arawnah), from whom David bought a threshing floor and turned it into an altar (2 Sam 24:16, 24), can be explained as a form of Ewri, Hurrian for “lord”
https://pursiful.com/2008/02/18/a-hurrian-cadre-in-king-davids-court/
https://journals.pan.pl/Content/82350/mainfile.pdf?handler=pdf#:~:text=Hurrians%20and%20Indo%2DAryans%20in%20Canaan&text=Some%20descendants%20of%20this%20Hurro,elite%20ruling%20in%20these%20cities.
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d91826 No.179815
>>179384
>When the Jews eradicated the worship of Asherah they removed the principle of the conscience, critical thinking, purity of thought, rejection of evil, the potential for the upright man, only the potential for discord never harmony.
Ultimately She still tied to number 40 by being named exactly 40 times in 9 books of Old testament. By gematria of Maria as 40, IESUS becomes 70, just like number of sons of Asherah and El. I think when byzantium scholars were beginning to worship Mary their monks and theologists first unveiled numerical value of 40, since they were obsessed people with names, numbers, geometries and symbols. Through the etymology and her Akkadian name Asirtum she's also associated with Sanctuary, chapel and temple (Goddess of the Temple), so symbol of the church. Mary is known as "Guardian of all, fortress, stronghold and sacred refuge" (Ode 4, Troparion)
And also as Asratu and Asru as Heaven.
Byzantium took a long way to establish this cult, but She's ultimately re-tied into this religion through character of Mary, all three of them, Mother, Magdalene and Clopas, as some sort of new Hekate, Mother of Gods turned into Mother of God.
But then again, through gnostics she got influence of Sophia, and known in certain catholic odes as "[The one who enlightens] many with knowledge" (Ikos 9) and "[The One who] guides all to divine knowledge" (Ikos 11). So Goddess of Wisdom is tied as a character from monks reading apocrypha and getting motivated to contribute to worship of divine feminine.
That saying, just like i capped previously "Coy Mistress" wants to convert the jews by any means possible, and that tortures our own civilization: >>179036
Which reminds me of biblical narrative in Matthew 23:37:
>O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Which is by cult narrative of course is written with intention for subjugation of jews into new religion, but it also kind of reminds me of the whole abandonment of Asherah. They say about Shekinah in Hiram that when Shekinah in exile, Israel is also in exile, but i think ultimately Asherah is a key figure behind Shekinah, and when it comes to attitude in middle east, its savagery greatly inspired by lack of Mother figure. American rampant protestantism in unity with judaism may also contribute to the eventual establishment of hedonistic kind of puritans people in US deal with.
But then again, it all sounds like apologia towards catholic/orthodox worship, yet they themselves will never admit the corporal reality behind the cult, or simply speaking refuse to admit that Mary they worship is ancient Goddess. Because from one side people are bombarded by protestantism mistakenly believing in literal definitions of things that are already based on multiple pagan traditions even in pure form of new testament, from another by ancient inquisitory attitude of half-mad people lying to themselves or simply treating beliefs without questioning, or simply treat priesthood like a con job.
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0fcf06 No.179847
>>179815
The Akkadian associations are highly indicative of the greater cult of Virgo as Nisaba, with the daughter Sud as the guiding light of Spica, who is also the internal guiding light of the inner sanctum or mind.
You're likely correct in this relating to the periodic of trial and purification with regards to the usage of the number 40
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0fcf06 No.180629
The basis for the date palm pole in the cult of Enlil and Ninlil, Arcturus and Spica, is the constellation Coma Berenices, central between Bootes, Virgo, Leo and as close to a right angle can represent x/y axis and the Heavenly triad of Father, Mother, Son.
In the Mul Apin the date palm constellation is on the path of Enlil, it also corresponds to the consort of Marduk and this has to be the basis for the Asherah pole.
>The 33 Stars on the path of Enlil:The weaker stars of Leo's tail: the date-palm panicle (sissinnu) of d.Erua, d.Zarpanitum
https://www.oocities.org/astrologymulapin/pathofenlil.htm
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b0597a No.180633
>>180629
Coma Berenices also a symbol for Magdalene, especially in hairy iconography. Because that triangle is also known as Hair of Berenice, it was named after Berenice II Euergetis (267 or 266 BC – 221 BC). What's interesting its also triangle constellation like northern triangle.
Da Vinci attributed Winter Triangle to Christ's trinity, because it goes right along side with "visible (X) cross": >>159439 Its also corresponds with Sirius and Venus on right side and left side. While i think Coma Berenicles is Mary's (may be even Mother, Clopas, Magdalene one). Because its just in between Virgo and Leo cluster within Great Diamond.
Maybe Coma Berenices and Winter Triangle can be viewed as female/male counterparts of each other, but that's just a suggestion.
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0fcf06 No.180652
>>180633
I think you're right, Hairy Magdalene and the proximity to the feet of Bootes explaining the otherwise unexplainable of her drying the feet of Jesus with her hair, an astral motif.
This also connects to Et in Arcadia ego, Coma Berenices within the arc, were the four figures within the famous painting would represent Ursa Major, Bootes, Leo, Virgo.
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e70bf7 No.180680
>>158311
Here's a good question, can Lilith be transcribed as Lilly? I found Catholic Cardinal Newman openly proclaiming that Maria is "Lilly of Eden", who "always dwelt out of the sight of man". This is really spicy close to Alphabetum Siracidis and Zohar in definition of Lilith being first wife of Adam. For they both are created "from earth", flower and a man. The cosmic flower of Venus is also symbol of life creation, as well as intellectual contemplation, and that flower is "above" (in heaven) while man is "below" (on earth).
לִילִית - Lilith, in Isaiah that word means owl/satyr, some babylonian texts translate Lilith as Succubus for some reason.
Root word לִילִ which stands for “night” or “gloom”. So association with Nyx and any queen of darkness, night and void is quite high here, as well as Kaali Definition of emptiness in Tamil, usually meditation and ritual for Her is performed by night, but she's identification of upanishadic absolute of empty essence of everything, like empty banyan seed of Svetaketu, my personal approach to this void as understanding immaterial nature of the Spirit, not as pneuma or physical light. Krishna prior to Gita also used to be drawn purely black as space.
Its also root word for Enlil and Ninlil, if i am not wrong? Ninlil (“lady of the open field” or “Lady of the Wind”), Enlil (EN = Lord + LÍL = Wind, “Lord (of the) Storm”). Therefore Lil in sumerian - wind. Lil in hebrew - night. Both suitable for something incorporeal. Akkadian Lil-itu is apparently "lady air". So ultimately a Female Spirit.
I already figured out venusian geometries being clearly defined in Fleur-de-lis >>157899, but hear me out, what if Lillith began being treated negatively by the jews as a jab on Christians and their already national Lilly symbol? Because Lilith as Adam's first wife is AD 700–1000 thing written by some Yid.
Lilith as owl/satir/succubus is from same Isaiah text that demonized Lucifer as Venus: >>158326
But if you think of Lilith as Lilly, where Rosecrucians think of Mary as of Rose, Rose is viewed as double pentagram of Venusian movements, where Lilly is only a replacement for a term, just like Lotus. So Lilith must be yet another definition of the same, even Owl is holy bird of Athena, also interchangeable Goddess symbol.
I am building up solid view of meta here, that Night of space is the primordial Mother, darkness on the face of the deep, Chronos/Yahweh is the first light created in that space incapable of self identity, dying and flaring up again fire that's limited and incapable of identifying anything prior to it, and the Father, alone in the infinite darkness no matter how much he expands he can never grow bigger, no matter where he moves he can never move. Son is creation capable of identifying limits of Chronos by moving in intelligible realm like earth around the sun, seeing day and night, capable of defining one thing from another, ultimate nature of thinking spirit. So therefore Mother and Void is the first Goddess, and the world's adobe itself, with stars only acting as corporeal clothes for incorporeal Being. Defining corporeal from incorporeal is the life's end goal, completing the necessary gnosis from experiencing world of dualities. For flower is drawn on the face of the Void, and movements of Venus, not Venus itself.
Therefore phenomena of Goddess Worship is part of Incorporeal Spirit, and reason-principle behind human perception. That Spirit broke Hindus, broke Buddhists and broke Christians. All three of those were initially against Female head Deity worship, but later succumbed, each in their own fashion.
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1f48af No.181010
>72 system of shemhamforash derived from the doubling of 36 Egyptian dekans
>72 demons of Ars Goetia are assigned to the 36 numbered Tarot cards
>read Kuan-yin the Chinese Transformation of Avalokitesvara
>Li has to invite 36 Taoist priests and 72 Buddhist monks to perform “Emperor Liang’s Confessional” (Liang-huang ch’an) for three days and nights, feed the hungry ghosts for seven days and nights, and after finishing the forty-nine day mourning ritual, place water lanterns in all the rivers and lakes near the region
>>170617
Do you think there's any significance in Kuan Yin's fish basket tale? Sometimes depicted riding a fish or sea dragon.
It has a bit of significance to Asherah:
>It was W.F. Albright who put forward what must be called the classical theory on this title.
>He therefore translates rbt atrt ym as 'she who treads on the sea(dragon)' or 'she who walks on the sea'.
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0fcf06 No.181026
>>180629
It might also be considered that it's something of a shame that the principles involved here became too personalized, in terms of Erua or Sarpanit Queen of Babylon, or Queen Berenice or Mary Magdalene, because the original principle of the date palm frond seen between Enlil and Ninlil represented their generative power combined, and that region of the skies is full of galactic clusters and the location of Galactic North, Polaris Galacticum Borealis,
>Coma Berenices contains the North Galactic Pole and one of the richest-known galaxy clusters, the Coma Cluster, part of the Coma Supercluster, from date palm cluster to Galactic is kind of awesome.
The sign derived from the date palm frond indicated the top or the highest, including in the Heavenly sense, the nimbus in which Istar could be seen represented on seals derives from this and they may have related that association to Mary Magdalene.
https://www.academia.edu/6700158/The_magical_meaning_of_cedars_and_palm_trees_depicted_on_cylinder_seals
>>181010
There's significance if the original archetype is traced back to the Goddess Nanse the daughter of Enki and her riding upon the foam of the sea and collecting people in fish traps/baskets.
https://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/section5/tr591.htm
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5a9a64 No.181084
>>180680
Absolutely intriguing anon. You will not get much traction here where the agenda is either to male leadership or to globohomo leadership; it is very anti-female.
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2decbf No.181086
>>181026
Getting real Durga vibes from whip goddess. Especially in a manner of armed gear.
>Erua or Sarpanit Queen of Babylon, or Queen Berenice or Mary Magdalene
Central point in all Marian devotion is the fact we're dealing here with enigmatic person, a projection of matriarch of the religion. If i take gnostic position, Mary is not just Mother of God, but also Mother of Mysteries. Sacramental "savior" could always be a "word" that Mary, a matriarch of christian religion gave birth to in form of jewish mystery cult in orphic manner. Josephus also recorded of Mary who cooked her own son like a sacrifice during famine after siege of Romans, which predates new testament and probably served as inspiration for Motherhood of Mary as character who gave birth to "Word", that became "Flesh" and is consumed by the faithful, which is magical consumption of Word, the theurgical daemon of Christ, representing limited reason principle as a designed religion, that depends however on faith and bonding in a manner how Orphic Dionysus and Krishna of hindus functioned. Magdalene according to Illuminator book means 153 number for vesica piscis and serves as epithet. Epithet of female theurgist necromancer whose intellectual womb gave birth to idea, Son of who remains as a child in iconography for that reason. For Byzantium scholars decided to pay respect for the Matriarch of religion instead, cracking her code. For progenitor to a word is equal to word, like teacher of word is equal to the one who gave birth to a word. Because giving birth to word and teaching word is the same. Meanwhile they associated themselves by numerals, and Mary Magdalene could literally mean "Womb of Asherah".
The real point that all Marys are one Mary is just pure coincidences like "Three Marys present at the crucifixion of Jesus", "Three Marys at the tomb of Jesus on Easter Sunday" and "Three Marys as daughters of Saint Anne". No one names her all three daughters a Mary unless its a hint at tripartite Goddess, or deification of Magdalene as a bearer of a Word. As Marvin Meyer puts it "we should recognize “a ‘universal Mary’ is in mind, and that specific historical Marys are no longer clearly distinguished.".
From standpoint of Magdalene also being a Mother, she's both Whore of the Babylon and the Virgin of the Babylon. They both form as one in the dual-natured sense as deities attributed to Venus. And Peter is also victim of this dual nature, he's both a Satan and Founder of the Church, because the Church is both blessing and a curse of european civilization, manifest of our pain and bliss. If you equate it to Inanna to, then its also very interesting transformation of deity of whoredom into deity of virginity. Because Christianity at the end of the day is a religion of love for pain and disdain for pleasure, for who passions of Christ are main traumatizing element. It has its uses though, but when taken seriously without patching up with Catholicism/Orthodoxy its pacifism is pure self harm.
Initially Magdalene was known as rich jewish woman according to story about egg turning red. Later i assume she indeed listened to advice to become "male" mentioned in gospel of thomas, and that idea of females becoming like men actually unironically came from buddhism, because that one had necessity of reincarnation as men to be enlightened. Pyrrho of Elis came with buddhist (and hindu) ideas back to Greece after Alexander's conquests, so they had more than 300 years to chew that teaching on. She's also known as practitioner of naked ascetism, known from brahmanists who Alexander first met in India. After assuming identity of John, disciple whom Jesus loved, portrayed with his head in Christ's lap, she became inspiration for other transvestite nuns that out of nowhere appeared in the rest of the movement, unless that transition was an inspiration. That's how she concealed her identity as John before death, also known as the one who supposedly didn't died, and neither Mary the Mother. The jewish matriarch is a singular leader of all of this.
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4473d4 No.181339
>>181084
From comparative theories and templar occultism, Mary and Jesus play roles of Isis and Osiris in re-enacting the myth by association with Egyptian mysteries through mystic cult. Ultimately at Byzantium the role of Osiris is downplayed in favor of mother hypostasie of new Isis. Metaphysically that successfully replaces role of Goddess in European tradition, and becomes non-jewish basis of religion, again thanks mostly to Byzantium scholars and people doing patchwork of jewish basis where no jew could intervene with the process of transformation of this religion. On top of this there's very significant role of Dionysus and Semele cult being in its shadow, because some greek city states celebrated ascension of Semele from underworld by Dionysus saving His Mother from Hades, in same way christians celebrate assumption of Mary, where in Liber Requiei Mariae Christ closes the pit of Hell himself and brings Mary and apostles to paradise. Both are mortal Virgin Mothers of God at that.
Templar is a reverse-protestant who embraces the "dark side" of the church. That said i didn't bothered to look up with their obsession with John the Baptist, but from Epictetus i simply know that prior to Jesus someone was baptizing people into normal judaism, and probably related to Ebionites or Judaizers under leadership of James the Just. And there was conflict between sects with constant betrayal and treachery that led to christians themselves giving away information about certain people to various persecutors, then claimed martyrdom of people they themselves betrayed, Paul apparently was participant in this second hand killing by "giving people to satan".
Knowing the nature of Canaan gods being conjoined into singular deity with negative functions identified with "devil", the true nature of satan is simply second part of God Himself, that is born out of dual perception of head deity, and constantly puts anyone in state of conflict and uneven ground with the God that somehow also does "evil". Mostly because platonic Christians believe "The One" is nothing else but "good", yet in sensible world only Order and Chaos exist. The One is also inferior to what's prior to it because neoplatonists themselves were wrong to assume Chronos as Time being prior to Nyx as Void. And "The One" cannot separate himself, unless that's the cause of dissolution of the universe like split of an atom.
When it comes to Mother of God, the book of "Questions of Bartholomew" for example contains important philosophical prayer that is beyond question of "heresy" of the rest of it:
>“O womb more spacious than a city! O womb wider than the span of heaven! O womb that contained him whom the seven heavens do not contain. You contained him without pain and held in your bosom him who changed his being into the smallest of things. O womb that bore, concealed in (your) body, the Christ who has been made visible to many. O womb that became more spacious than the whole creation.”
What fascinates me about this particular passage, is its ambiguity of Mary and Christ as cosmic enigmas, rather than fleshy people. It fits within definition of Night containing all stars as a womb of the void, i.e. space itself. This text simply returns back to concept of emptiness containing all existence, and identifying with the Mother. For "Mother of Gods", as Hekate in greek magical papyri or Nyx in orphic hymns would be just that. And then there's another identification of this Spirit as Sophia.
As far as for people wanting destruction of christianity because of "desert culture", they need to re-look cult of Mary first as exclusively aryan phenomena, coming from Egyptian and Greek roots, not from Israel. Or else all white people who died for this religion, constructed churches, composed music, built sculptures and drawn paintings died and did everything in vain.
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0fcf06 No.181402
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>>181086
There' is an even more intriguing take on this in that only the Babylonians personalized Coma Berenices as Erua, as the consort of Marduk
Marduk had also assimilated the cult of En-lil, thus Marduk could be identified as Bootes, the iconography of Mary Magdalene wiping the feet of her Lord with her hair thus relates to Marduk/Bootes and Erua/Coma Berenices, this is the focal point within the Rennes le Chateau church mystery, the East window, a case of I am in the Father and the Father is within me.
>By a play on words her name was interpreted as zēr-bānītu, or "creatress of seed", and is thereby associated with the goddess Aruru, who, according to Babylonian myth, created mankind
>Babylonian birth goddess, possibly originated from the Semitic Akkadian word eru "to be pregnant."
>Sarpanit was used as a theophoric element in women's names, as was an archaic form of the name, Erua She was worshipped via the rising moon, and was often depicted as being pregnant.
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db0f6d No.181468
>>181402
There's also another object near Bootes, the crown of Dionysus: Corona Borealis
>In classical mythology Corona Borealis generally represented the crown given by the god Dionysus to the Cretan princess Ariadne and set by him in the heavens.
So Bootes and Hercules crowning Virgo with Corona Borealis may be inspiration to crowning of Virgin Mary.
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0fcf06 No.181755
>>181468
Hercules is represented by the great goat UZ GU.LA and that often seen in connection to a nimbus or tree/shrub associated with Ashur/Marduk, that could be the Babylonian Corona Borealis, which again is a super cluster region.
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0fcf06 No.181756
>>181468
In terms of the crooked tree/shrub we can perhaps take that as a combination of Serpens Caput and Corona Borealis, also connected to the Kur Mountain of Enlil, perhaps also to the burning bush of El-Yah
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71ca85 No.181972
>>170378
>>169263
Talking about sacred mountains and deities being tied to mountains, have you yet researched on Ninhursag and Mami, also known as Belet Ili ("Mistress of the Gods")?
>Nin-hursag means "lady of the sacred mountain" (from Sumerian NIN "lady" and ḪAR.SAG "sacred mountain, foothill", possibly a reference to the site of her temple, the E-Kur (House of mountain deeps) at Eridu. She had many names including Ninmah ("Great Queen"); Nintu ("Lady of Birth"); Mamma or Mami (mother); Aruru Belet-Ili (lady of the gods, Akkadian)
>As Nintu legends states she pinched off fourteen pieces of primordial clay which she formed into womb deities, seven on the left and seven on the right with a brick between them, who produced the first seven pairs of human embryos.
>In the text 'Creator of the Hoe', she completed the birth of mankind after the heads had been uncovered by Enki's hoe.
>She may have become Belet Ili ("Mistress of the Gods") when, at Enki's suggestion, the gods slew one among themselves and used that god's blood and flesh, mixed with clay, to create humankind.
Screencap is from Atrahasis I. They consider her progenitor of men and Mistress of the Gods. Kind of like Nyx is considered Mother of Gods and Men. What's interesting about the myth of Mami is that they slayed a God in order to make mankind. Which reminds me of whole dismemberment of Dionysus and slaughtering of Titans, and then certain Orphic schools of faith claiming we're of titanic nature but our soul is heavenly/Dionysian.
Maybe even Christ symbolizes crucified humanity, along four corners of the Earth. And Mary is new Mami, the Womb Goddess. It also fits with my own theory that humanity wasn't created as one man and one woman, but rather seeded in multiplicity, seven males and seven females make sense in terms of generation for future offspring, all fourteen first humans could also be completely different in racial sense.
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0fcf06 No.181983
>>181972
Yes things are complicated in that there was a competing tree cult of the Southern hemisphere skies with Enki and Ninhursag, Mami can be taken as Arua/Erua.
The tree of Enki, also a date palm, was projected as an axis from the Pegasus square/Field constellation as far as Sirius, passing through Andromeda/stag, Perseus/Panther, Taurus/Bull, Orion/Shepherd of Anu, in the abstract sense this related to evolutionary development of life.
The trees in the Northern hemisphere related to the cult of Enlil seem also to take the date palm of Erua as a tree of life, but the tree/nimbus of Corona Borealis may more relate to a tree of knowledge. it's protective guardian is the goat, the brightest star of the goat Dingir Lamma, which is a servant of Dingir Baba.
>Baba's functions are unclear. Her most prominent role is that of Ningirsu's wife. She is called the "good" or "beautiful woman" and she is often invoked as a protective or guarding spirit (d lama sa6-ga "beautiful guardian").
>In the Old Babylonian period Baba was syncretized with various healing goddesses such as Ninisinna, Gula, and Nintinugga.
http://oracc.museum.upenn.edu/amgg/listofdeities/baba/index.html
I would take the healing Goddess as the protective Deity of the Tree of knowledge then, and that correlates to her association with Sirius, the apex of Enki's axis/tree, and the highest function of life.
The idea of a cherub guarding the tree of knowledge can be taken from the goat as Lamma
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0fcf06 No.182008
>>181983
It's also of note that the contemporary visualization of constellation Hercules is upside down, he should be grasping the serpent tree to his left, Serpens Caput and Corona Borealis, but is placed upside down , and the crown is behind him and he is considered to be grasping Cerberus, which is unfortunate
This may have been because it was not realized the connection between the tree and the crown, but the figure as the kneeling one naturally appears to face that direction
When they depict the constellation the right way up thus everything else is seen upside down.
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53cf45 No.182013
>>181983
>competing tree cult
>palm of Erua as a tree of life, but the tree/nimbus of Corona Borealis may more relate to a tree of knowledge
Starting to see a pattern here, while reading stuff on Mariology. As an ex-protestant this stuff for me is completely alien. From "Heralds of the Second Coming" book i found out interesting comparison of St. Louis de Montfort of Catholic faith to non-Mary worshiping ones as prophecy given by God in the Book of Genesis: “I will put enmities between thee and the woman and thy seed and her seed; she shall crush thy head and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel” (Gen. 3:15).
In his opinion this text serves as prediction of Church's struggle against internal enemy, but most importantly i recognize from here that by association of Mary as "second Eve" and Asherah as actually allegory of religious development. There are seeds of Eve and "Snake", that could be divided into categories of racial/religious teachings as well as inner jewish struggle against their own old faith (astrologers against yahweists).
Marian regions are entirety of Europe, Eastern and Western, Russia and South America. And generally welcomed among white people whose by Iamblichus/Roman seers were considered under protection of Venus, but i don't think planet alone has anything to do with it.
Middle East is purely yahweist/islamic in nature and even with some control "Marian" religion can't take much hold.
North America however belongs to jews and non-Marian Christians, protestants.
And then there are confused regions in the east of China/Japan/India with chaos between Marian/non-Marian religious tendencies or metaphysical replacements like Kuan Yin, Amaterasu, Benzaiten, Shakti, Saraswati and so on, who are on metaphysical level probably remembrance of emanation of the seeds.
Some of the Catholic Marian texts can rise an eyebrow of protestant, like for example from "The Glories of Mary":
>He knelt before the altar of Mary, affectionately recited the prayer, renewed his vow of virginity, and promised to recite the rosary daily. Then he added this prayer of his own: “O my Queen, be my intercessor with your son, whom I dare not approach. My Mother, if I am to be lost in the next world and unable to love your son, who is all worthy of my love, at least secure for me the grace to love him as much as possible in this world. This is the grace I ask of you and hope for from you.”
Stuff like "dare not approach" and "unable to love your son" is strictly specific, they are not approaching the son without Mother. They also have in prayers parts of surrendering their souls to the Mother Herself:
>O Mother of God, O queen of angels, O hope of mankind, hear him who now calls on you and has recourse to you. Behold me at your feet, I who am a miserable slave of hell. I dedicate myself to your service forever. I offer to serve you as much as I can for all my life.
And:
>Therefore, O my queen, help me, save me! Today I surrender my soul to you.
The entity of this Mother is either ruler or progenitor of white people in general, and there's some quarrel between seeds of the serpent and seeds of Goddess. Its not a question of how it all came to be, but rather how the phenomena got sowed as discrepancy between God and Goddess worship. Qetesh, Egyptian origin of the Asherah is called "Mistress of All the Gods", like Mami, "Lady of the Stars of Heaven" epithet making her close to Greek Nyx, but just like Hekate she's tripple Goddess - "Qudshu-Astarte-Anat". And Her outlook seems to be taking ideas from Hathor. Most importantly in one hand she's holding a lotus flower, in other snakes, while standing on a lion, which is all Durga's attributes too.
Anyhow i don't believe all our ancestors worshiped Mother of God as central figure without a reason or in maleficent manifestation. It just may be that we're in a middle of some metaphysical quarrel of "Snake against Eve" like Louis predicts. Beginning of Genesis is probably the only part of the old testament i trust a bit as a series of hints on jewish development. Leaving Marian books for posterity, they are obsessive on next level. I do recognize it as desperate attempt of Europeans to worship their Goddess even if a new myth is established around Her.
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53cf45 No.182025
>>182008
>note that the contemporary visualization of constellation Hercules is upside down, he should be grasping the serpent tree to his left
My opinion matters not to the ancient seers of stars, but to me it looks like three dudes fighting a crowned serpent. Hercules, Bootes and Ophiuchus. Also snake's head just near heel of a virgin, if in your opinion Corona Borealis is tree of knowledge, it may as well symbolize a forbidden fruit. And if Hercules is irrelevant, then Bootes is also Adam, and Virgo is Eve. Since Bootes "crowned" Virgin (either as Dionysus Ariadne or Jesus Mary), then the exchange of crown is symbolized between those two constellations.
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0fcf06 No.182193
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>>182013
The serpent tells a simple half truth, that through fruit you can live eternally, through reproduction and continuation of lineage, you live on in a sense though the individual dies.
In terms of serpent symbolism the shedding of the skin and appearing in new form, the serpent as chthonic, entering into the underworld and re-emerging, an entire sub-Pantheon of serpent Deities related to the tree, but that also corresponds to the Feminine triple Goddess and cyclic nature, the two were quite closely related, serpent and Goddess cults, and the roots of any tree of knowledge tradition, the fruit of which is the Fig.
Most Goddess traditions are self explanatory and readily understood and always correspond to the natural inclinations of the host populace, an exception is the cult of Baba/Bau/Hebat/Kybele who was the patron guardian of the tree of knowledge, which applies the highest Masculine scientific/medical understandings in a Feminine capacity, including Feminine birth Goddesses reproducing through artificial means, propagating and protecting life in terms of advanced civilization, were knowledge harmonizes with evolutionary Biology, in this sense the serpents of the tree correspond to their representation in medicine.
>>182025
I don't think Hercules is irrelevant, he just needs turning the right way up and around to conclude his heroic quest, otherwise he is grasping at death.
Arcturus is the brightest star in the Northern hemisphere, the star of En-lil, God as he is commonly understood, that generates phenomena and conceptualization in terms of a living and ever expanding tree of knowledge, the branches of which are scientific disciplines, the leaves of which are as functions, the Mes tree, a single thought can generate a new leaf, perhaps even a fruit, as long as well sourced and connected.
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5e022d No.182207
>>182193
>that through fruit you can live eternally, through reproduction and continuation of lineage, you live on in a sense though the individual dies.
Probably the real reason behind every cult of renunciation that stood up against "fertility goddess" dichotomy in conversion of whore cult into cult of virgin. Spiritual marriage against reproduction for a promise of eternal life or bliss.
I've seen enough criticism and justification of renunciation among hindus, buddists and christians. Usually its some offshore reactionary cult that sprungs up afterwards, tantric or occult.
Hindu scriptures for example consider offspring a burden against spiritual life, worldly wealth:
>Brihadaranyaka Upanishad, pre-Buddhist text, ~9th to 6th century BCE
>‘He who transcends hunger and thirst, sorrow, confusion, old age and death. Once Brahmans have come to know this Self, they rise above their desire for sons, their desire for riches, their desire for [exalted] states of being (loka), and wander forth to lead a beggar’s life. For there is no difference between a desire for sons and a desire for riches; and there is no difference between a desire for riches and a desire for [exalted] states of being: all of them are nothing more than desire.
Buddha also was inspired by this text. Tantric schools go opposite, claiming fulfillment of all desires in name of Goddess brings liberation, and claim a virgin is not yet "enlightened" and got to have sex with temple devadasi who they keep at levels of pure exploitation. Because their heritage is one of old fertility cults.
In the west such opposing criticism from occultists looks like this:
>Hermetic Brotherhood of Luxor:
>In all of this, sex was central. It was the fundamental reality of all progress and development, and not, as the Theosophists taught, a mere accidental and external characteristic that might change in each reincarnation. In H.B. of L. doctrine the entirety of creation flows from differentiation of the unmanifested divine into male and female. As a consequence, it is sex that propels evolution, and it is again sex, consciously employed by the potential adept, that leads to the reunion of the divine Ego and to angelhood. In the pre-angelic state of the neophyte, celibacy, though it may enable a forced development of certain powers, is an absolute evil. The "vital secretions" or "seminal fluids" of sexual intercourse are precisely the components - if properly used - that go to build up the spiritual body, and "love" (the attraction of the other) is precisely the antidote to the selfishness which fatally limits development to the purely material sphere. Finally, it is sex that places the neophyte in contact with the Spheres, Potentialities, and Powers of the celestial hierarchy, all of which are themselves sexually differentiated.
No wonder some portrayed "forbidden fruit" as sex itself (even though it clearly isn't). Knowing occultists are this crazy in between pure virgin celibacy or downright occult sex practices. Because you either renounce pleasure for pain or denial for spiritual progress, or you go full pleasure for sake of it for manifesting it in enjoyment of its fruits. Both eventually lead to discipline that differentiates the adept from masses.
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2ca326 No.182476
>>158110
>Light has spawned the material world that it is the demiurge of Gnostics
So i've been thinking of justifying Christianity when it comes to defining their enemy, where Catholicism and Gnostism actually go hand by hand, in metaphysical-physical sense, as i would call it. If we put every planet as archon, ultimately defining only soul's faculties, every planet and moon distributes light of the Sun. And every other star among fixed "heavens" is of form of light. Where chaldeans and gnostics were advocating not just not to worship celestial objects including the sun, but go beyond their influence, chaldeans started to worship Chronos/Time according to Plotinus, gnostics - Wisdom. Chaldeans weren't right because their definition of first principle requires movement of Light to exist. Gnostic principle of primordial intellect doesn't however. So gnostics were better equipped in practice. And even Plotinus criticism seems weak since he also relied on "visible gods", celestial and material objects. I know from the jews that the association of "angel of god" as messenger is linked to starlight or planet orbits, especially the one of Venus. Jewish worship is based on the idea of unity of all reason principles of visible light, but not of jewish gnostics who claim YHWH is actually maleficent entity, therefore going against the light. Cathars were also believing in a fight of "trinity against Lucifer". One may be right in saying that kabbalists are luciferians, from commentary to Zohar: "When God created the world, He knew that we, the vessels, could not receive His awesome, blazing Light in Its totality." (as in totality of starlight/jewish view of angels)
This brings me to doctrine of Lucifer. First of all association of Lucifer with roman goddesses like Diana Lucifera (Moon Goddess) or Lucifer Venus is most certainly limited part of it, hence Medieval theologians were fighting worship of Apollo (Sun) as worship of Lucifer (Apollyon/Abaddon being also demon of Death).
Letters of Apostle Paul are to be doubted in general sense by any sensible person, when he uses the rising of morning star in the hearts or uses light vs darkness mythology trying to put light again on top he fails to realize most basic sense of his own words and teaching he's propagating. In fact Paul may be collection of people saying different things, with their letters simply attributed to him. But most important one for me to take is:
2Cor. 11:14: "And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light"
So we can use it for exegesis - "Angels of Light" are celestial archons, entities of this world, "kings" of this world. "Angels of Darkness" however would be concepts of supracelestial non-archonic beings for they are in Void. This negation is important since it fits ideas of Dionysius the Areopagite about "divine darkness", and things i came at my own, as darkness on the face of the deep that YHWH himself doesn't know about, since YHWH is demiurge Lucifer, and definition in totality of physical light of limited world. Adonai/Adonis was also associated with the Sun, and Chronos at his non-saturnalian manifestation is Sun at division between day and night creating primordial concept for time. Sun is insignificant even to the rest of angels/stars, not just what's spiritual above them. Since all of them will die at dissolution, light is mortal.
Rose of "Venus" is drawn upon face of the Void, for Void's clothes are stars "You mistook the garment i wore for my true self, and you did not recognize me" from Gospel of Mary.
Dionysius continues this message through those words:
>But, thou, O dear Timothy, leave behind both sensible perception, and intellectual efforts, and all objects of sense and intelligence; and all things being and not being, and be raised aloft as far as attainable, ἀγνώστωςunknowingly,to the union with Him above every essence and knowledge. For by the resistless and absolute ecstacy from thyself, in all purity, thou wilt be carried high to the superessential ray of the Divine darkness, when thou hast cast away all, and become liberated from all."
Most important thing about Dionysius is that he acknowledges superiority of supra-celestial as "superessential ray of the Divine darkness", killing both theologies of Justin Martyn who thought cosmic X is christ, and visible gods of Plotinus.
That saying he's continuing in next section "But see that none of the uninitiated listen to these things", because Dionysius the Areopagite is a christian of mystic cult era, not "global christianity for everyone" era.
This is what i call "metaphysical-physical" sense of spiritual exegesis. It links necessity of not worshiping celestial materia between common christianity and gnostic message. As well as puts Lucifer into negative sense again, putting any bearer of light into inferiority before immaterial.
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0fcf06 No.182498
>>182207
This is true, the likes of the Taoists and Tantrists heard from some snek that sex is the key to immortality and proceeded to engage in absurd sex magical activities, though that is never what Ordo Draconis had in mind, it's always about the lineage
The Northern tradition relates more to the conceptualization of phenomena, the purity of which does appeal to the Germanic/Protestant mind, En-lil and his spiritual collective based in the Northern hemisphere
It's an interesting contrast between how we would conceptualize a tree of knowledge in the general sense, the roots and branches of scientific discipline and understanding, and how the jews have conceptualized their Cabbalistiic tree of knowledge derived from Assyrian iconography, the cult of Ashur, there is Western rationalism and then there is pretentious silliness, who shall claim the Northern Crown?
>The name of God associated with Keter is Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh through which he revealed himself to Moses from the burning bush.
>Keter is so sublime, it is called in the Zohar "the most hidden of all hidden things", and is completely incomprehensible to man.
Particularly if that man is a jew, perhaps it is just the case that Europeans should appreciate what they have achieved, that the audience should shout as at a Pantomine "it's behind you!"
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db0f6d No.182592
>>182498
>Keter is so sublime completely incomprehensible to man.
>Particularly if that man is a jew
That's "The One" of Proclus. Radek Chlup complained in his introduction to Proclus that he was too pessimistic on the concept of unity with The One. Mind you in Qliphoth Keter's anti-pole is considered "Satan/Moloch" (Thaumiel). Satan is just "enemy", Moloch is the more important character here. Mostly division created by jewish dualism.
As far as The One goes, Radek Chlup writes:
>At first sight, the late Neoplatonic approach may appear rather pessimistic. While Plotinus had the entire universe at his feet, so to speak, and was able to pass through its various levels freely, starting with Iamblichus philosophers were 'imprisoned' on the psychic level, having no access to the higher ones. In fact, however, their position implies no pessimism whatsoever, and in some regards it is actually quite optimistic. Above all, eastern Neoplatonists have a much more positive relation towards the corporeal world.
In Elements of Theology Proclus wrote that infinite is incomprehensible for those to whom it is infinite (Of Divine Henads, prop 150). Later idea of infinite as in "Ein Sof" gets into kabbalah from christian Pseudo Dionysius tradition, but initially written by Proclus.
>Taoists … heard from some snek that sex is the key to immortality
Initially weren't sexual at all. Few examples from "Cultivating Stillness":
>When we breathe earthly air, engage in sexual activity, think and become attached to things in the world, ch'i, ching, and then become impure, thus losing their Earlier Heaven quality.
>If your body craves sexual activity, the soul will descend to the hell of those born who mate continuously. You will be reincarnated as a chicken, duck, or turkey and will always have sexual interactions. Is that not enjoyable? These are the consequences of the six cravings.
Or from "awakening to the Tao":
>The blind of the world who use the reversal of man and woman to practice the false art of gathering sexual energy can only form the seeds of hell thereby-how can they form the spiritual embryo?
But at the same time in "understanding reality by chang po-tuan" it says:
>In Chang 's southern school of Complete Reality Taoism , sexual intercourse was used to cultivate energy, bliss, and health
But then again i am not responsible for opinions of modern chinks. Sex is death to classic taoist:
>Not only can you not achieve immortality through these methods, but when your last breath of yang disappears and your form disintegrates, your spirit will forever sink into the abyss.
And since they care mostly about longevity of life (almost like Epicurus, a hedonist of greeks, hated temporary pleasures of Venus, more trouble than it is worth; "sex never did anyone any good, and that one ought to consider himself fortunate, if it didn't do him any harm."):
>As the constellations in the body are disturbed, the life span is shortened.
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0fcf06 No.182766
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>>182592
Then maybe this is the issue with Hercules, as his cult derived from Nergal, the son of En-lil, that also correlating to Moloch. En-uru-gal, or Nergal for short, Lord of the Great City, that which in popular imagination is known as Moloch of the Metropolis from the rendering of Melqart as Lord of the City
>For them Melqart-Herakles was a major god, the patron god of Tyre. The name of their god, Melqart, is virtually a translation of the name Nergal; “ruler of the city” and “lord of the great city” respectively; There are several further pieces of evidence that suggest Melqart and Nergal were the same god.
>“Herakles” is the western, non-Semitic pronunciation of Nergal/Erakal all Semitic inscriptions on statues of Herakles name Nergal, Melqart or Resheph, there are variant writings of Nergal’s name which indicate a pronunciation Eragal and Erakal.
As a son of El-lil, Nergal was obviously an aspect of the early NW Semitic Pantheon which Israel looked to disassociate themselves with, as the God of mining/smelting/toxicity/plague/weapons/death was always somewhat problematic, but his cult had strongly developed in that region due to the merchants relationship with the trade in precious ores and the quasi mass industrial practises of the Phoenicians totally depended on such so he was their principle Deity of the military industrial complexities
Nergal is a based pragmatist, the application of knowledge, so based he was given control of the underworld, the abode of Irkalla
>Lord Nergal was given the underworld, the E-meslam by Enlil and Ninlil. They made him the great lord of the netherworld
That then the contrast between the highest and the lowest.
>Various cult centres of Nergal are known in Mesopotamia proper. Kutha is the best attested; He has shrines at Ninevah and Nimrud. At Assur he shared the temple of Assur with his consort Allat . So closely connected were Assur and Nergal there that the priests from a single family served both deities.
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0fcf06 No.182781
>>182766
Moloch the movie is based upon Churchill's description of Hitler as the incarnation of Moloch and presents an all too human Hitler that finds himself in unleashing the power of the military industrial complex, of course coming from a nation that initiated the industrial revolution that's not exactly fair and balanced,
>He had called from the depths of defeat the dark and savage furies latent in the most numerous, most serviceable, ruthless, contradictory and ill-starred race in Europe. He had conjured up the fearful idol of an all-devouring Moloch of which he was the priest and incarnation
In the poem Howl Ginsberg shows perfect understanding of the issues connected to Moloch and how this is the basis of civilization.
https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/49303/howl
There's a much greater understanding out there than the Moloch of the popular imagination and they would fear a popular cult of heroic Nergal, miners, industrial and construction workers, those which the Soviet Union and Hitlers Germany placed upon a pedestal as the strength of the nation.
>"Lord of the big city, whose shadow spreads in the West, who has come out of the Meslam, Bull whose great strength cannot be repulsed,in heaven I am a wild bull , in the netherworld I am a lion , in the land I am king, among the gods I am the fierce one, on the war path I am the standard"
>The peace Nergal guarantees recurs in his name Lugal-silimma' "The lord of peace" , The complementary char acter traits of the armed god are expressed by the names of his two dragons at the gate of the E-meslam, his temple in Kutha: War (Tabazum) and Peace (Tubbum)
People concern themselves that Semites may have offered children to a Moloch furnace but fail to recognize the mass scale of which they feed their own children into the military industrial complex such as the mass sacrifice of the Great War
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fcde60 No.182809
>>182766
>Nergal, the son of En-lil, that also correlating to Moloch
So are we sure about orderly nature of offspring of Enlil, including Inanna, especially as Lilith and Lucifer of Isaiah?
>>181983
>Mami can be taken as Arua/Erua.
Also i just remembered that myth of Mami's 14 first humans, 7 female and 7 male correlated with Myth of Osiris being dismembered into fourteen pieces: seven each for the two regions of Upper and Lower Egypt. There's "14 Stations of The Cross" in christianity symbolizing Way of the Cross, also known as the Way of Sorrows, 14 specific moments from the bible from condemnation to being laid in the tomb. I have a feeling that i am right that Osiris-Dionysus-Jesus represent humanity.
>>179847
>You're likely correct in this relating to the periodic of trial and purification with regards to the usage of the number 40
Also apparently there's something we're missing in ancient sumerian numerology.
>The Sumerians had a complex numerological system, in which certain numbers were believed to hold special ritual significance. Within this system, Enlil was associated with the number fifty, which was considered sacred to him.
While Enki:
>Beginning around the second millennium BCE, he was sometimes referred to in writing by the numeric ideogram for "40", occasionally referred to as his "sacred number".
If i am correct and Enki - Asherah - Maria are all deities under number 40.
70 sons of El and Asherah (and 70 faces of Shekinah) probably Shamash (Sun God by number 20) + female aspect of Enki (as Lord of Earth), therefore IESUS is child of Earth and the Sun (makes complete sense quite honestly).
That's probably why Demeter was sometimes considered mother of Dionysus, and not mortal Semele. But both Semele and Demeter got merged into Maria.
>M. L. West has proposed that Demeter, initially Damater, could be a borrowing from an Illyrian deity attested in the Messapic goddess Damatura, with a form dā- ("earth", from PIE *dʰǵʰ(e)m-)[17] attached to -matura ("mother"), akin to the Illyrian god Dei-paturos (dei-, "sky", attached to -paturos, "father").
Pantheistic aberration of "mother earth" still returns to Demeter, Asherah, Maria and ultimately Enki.
72 is tricky, but you can divide 360 by that number and get 5, the pentagram, probably real reasons this is the number of goetian demons since christians vilify pentagram by default.
Which number Nergal would be? Because we all know Moloch is highest deity of occultist kikes.
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fcde60 No.182819
Actually you know what, about 72, it correlates with Kircher's "Names of God" if you put a divider of a perfect circle a bit further. 36, 72 and 108 are all angles of pentagram. If one uses jewish Kabbalah, division of circle into literal 72 would be rather wrong, but rather 72 by parts. Kircher further divides by 42, 12 and by 5 only at catholic IHS (he divided 3 letters into 5 names). So his 5 names and 72 names still return to Pentagram. Also fun note, Angel by number 40 (Ieiazel) in Shem Hamephorash is invoked by Psalms 88:14: "Lord, why castest thou off my soul? why hidest thou thy face from me?", which is kind of similar to beginning of Psalm 22.
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b4d50a No.182832
Actually you know what, disregard my claim about Shamash >>182809 apparently i cannot into basic math. 30 is the number of Sin. It is said about Azazel, whose confined within Saturn "attribute to him ALL sin" and acts as a scapegoat in book of Enoch. The scapegoat is not exactly maleficent even in Levictus. Book of Enoch is actually central to christianity despite being claimed to be apocryphal, it was actually around bibles shared by orthodox church for a while.
I've been thinking for a long time already that Sin and sin as maleficent disorderly actions must be related. 30 of Sin is number of Gabriel, but only when he's conjoined with Saturn (Azazel) as a scapegoat. That fits with the Proclus of Constantinople who claimed that Gabriel "impregnated" Mary by a word through ear.
But since 3 days and 3 nights from Innana's descent to underworld is a number of days moon remains in darkness, shadowed by Night, the real progenitor is "starry sky", especially during Jesus's journey into Hades. So Jesus is Child of Earth and Starry sky.
It all fits in the Void and death. Moon is the first planet of chaldean theurgy, saturn is the last. Moon is darkness, saturn is wrath for gnostics. Both symbolize day of judgement once sun dies as Abaddon.
Venus fits NOWHERE in this, unless with the age of Haniel, so consider it lucifer, lust, and progenitor of sodom/hommorah element, i am done with it. It also may be considered age that proceeds into advancement of knowledge, but at a price of degeneracy.
Now there will be two possible conclusions in esoteric rhetoric, my error and real number:
1. Sun + Earth, number 60 of Anu, Michael being "Father" of Jesus
2. Moon + Earth, number 70 of IESUS and Children of El/Asherah, Gabriel being "Father" of Jesus.
Feel free to look at both of those, Luke nor Proclus of Constantinople did nothing wrong in my opinion. They both acted on their writings exactly as i would expect from their esoteric teaching based on Egyptian/Sumerian teaching in secret, hidden within Jewish teaching.
And as far as i am concerned Lucifer/Venus is indeed maleficent and fits neither with first case, nor with the second. Also as far as i am concerned Catholic/Orthodox church did nothing wrong but they'll also burn me as a heretic if they could. Jews must be stopped else they turn entire Europe into Sodom just for the purpose of destruction. The rest is not important, lives are too short. Truth is that neither sun nor moon are maleficent, its just Gabriel is apparently higher angel than Michael, or rules among what Son/Sons of God need to heed to (i.e. Night, Void, DIvine Darkness, Non-Worldly attunement in belief).
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0fcf06 No.182834
>>182809
Nergal is considered the first born and heir of Enlil, associated with the Lion and Kingship thus Regulus, a God of applied knowledge in terms of crafting skills.
Melqart/Moloch was the dedicated manufacturing God of Tyre but that was in conjunction with the mercantile exploitation and colonial expansion, the origins of Globo-Homo, the jews had an aversion to Moloch in terms of getting their hands dirty but took up the function of mercantile financiers.The issue isn't Nergal it's the mercantile exploitation of consumerism
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0fcf06 No.182843
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>>182832
Az is the Hebrew for goat, i posted the seals demonstrating that the goat constellation Uz-Gul-a was the great goat that guarded the tree of knowledge, it could only relate to Saturn through Enlil's association with that planet.
As far as planetary associations of Nergal go he maybe managed to become God of the asteroid belt, the principle of destruction, trial and error
There are quite a few ways to make 70 from the Divine numbers, not sure if there's any point though, Marduk appropriated the number of Enlil in terms of his fifty names and Divine powers.
Also Nergal was the son of the North wind/Nin-lil and the underworld correlated to the North, the Midnight Sun, thus the King of the North rules the underworld and the metal contained there in.
>Eres-kigal: the "Queen of the big earth""when people lie down in the earth (they say) : 'Eres-kigal is our mother, we are her children'"
>Nergal is concerned with the afterlife of the soul in the "big city", the chthonic Eres-kigal with the decay of the body in the "big earth". her type of death is submission to Fate
>Namtar "Fate", the vizier of Eres-kigal ; Fate's wife Iusbisa "Its horror is good"
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b4d50a No.182848
>>182834
>>182843
You know, you replied in previous thread to another anon (since we're the only two people giving a shit about this thread anymore, and i know only one anon who's dedicated to babylonian lore at this point) that:
>Since you have sought and attained knowledge, such that it is, do you believe it is 'fair judgement' against you by Enlil that you too should never be allowed to leave here? Be careful what you wish for anon, you just might get it.
Yet Enlil is not in the court of Judgement. At this point i view Enlil more like left hand of God, maybe Night, but if Enki is the Earth, then Enlil is probably other planets in opposition. Or the spiritual wind.
Before doors of Hades, there's stands a Judge, even prior to doors of the "divine code" established by egyptian/orphic tradition. That judge is known in pessimistic contemporary word as Justiție, or "Lady Justice", Kircher contributes to her name as 40, but in 42 numeral system, she's the Dike, Ma`at and Justice of Heraclitus.
>Also Nergal was the son of the North wind/Nin-lil and the underworld correlated to the North, the Midnight Sun, thus the King of the North rules the underworld and the metal contained there in.
You know, i sometimes contemplate what Zechariah meant that the God's spirit found rest in the "north country":
>Zechariah 6:8 Then cried he upon me, and spake unto me, saying, Behold, these that go toward the north country have quieted my spirit in the north country.
I still don't know what "north country" means. I used to believe in literal translation of it, as in pagans of the north were closest to God as contemporaries of the jews in spiritual sense, because of their way of acting on things.
>when people lie down in the earth (they say) : 'Eres-kigal is our mother, we are her children'"
Well, i am not surprised when inhabitants of Hades end up calling Goddess of Death their only mother at this point. But just like Heraclitus says Dionysus is same God as Hades, Inanna is not that different from Ereshkigal, for they are sisters, aren't they?
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148135 No.182901
>>182848
I care about it. I read it. I just don't contribute since Mr. Satan went away.
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148135 No.182905
>>182848
Isaiah 14:13 "For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, IN THE SIDES OF THE NORTH."
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6be52a No.182931
>>182905
At most basic explanation its another symbolism for pole star, which i criticized for pole stars change, or its mystic jewish version of Hyperborea. I've been dodging the subjects related to the grail thinking its just catholic fairy tale. It comes together with non-existent non-specified place up north. Just like legendary mountains that don't exist like Nysa or Riphean mountains.
>The name of the mountains has also been connected by Christian theologians with Riphath, son of Gomer in Genesis 10. The Book of Jubilees (8:12, 16, 28) mentions a mountain range it calls Rafa, which Professor R. H. Charles associated with the Riphaean
What i don't get why theologians need to bother with this. Usually spirits dwell in the mountains, and most saintly/visionary mystics see visions on mountains, both buddhist and christian ones. After all mountain climbing is associated with spiritual quest, as well as there was underlying metaphor for grail as spiritual quest also. Francis (not the pope, the mystic of Assisi) saw his famous winged crucifix on a Mount Alverno, which is obviously some manifestation of egregore that people worship, in form of seraphim (i believe vision was genuine for how illogical it is). French patriots like Joan of Arc saw angels holding fleur-de-lis for same reason, but that's also esoteric symbol.
Now if a mountain itself would be spiritual, incorporeal, that's another level of fluff, which constitutes with movement of spiritual movements implied by Jesus.
This particular approach though requires unreasonable amount of shuffling through medieval superstition trying to find what's genuine about it. Its just so happened that catholic mysticism still fits general spiritual framework of europeans, rather than cancelling it whole, for genuses of the dead been a Roman/Greek think for a while. For my problem with ancient ancestor veneration and hero becoming of Heraclitus in greek myth may imply some influence of the dead over the living, its just by converting them to christianity made them bind to it. So if christian mystics uncovered the formula for binding the dead for their own purposes (i mean some of them even worship corpses), like egyptians kept mummies, then spiritual links between generations of christian saints may be esoterically more important subject to dwell on as influence on white race than questioning authority of jewishness of the bible.
>>168718
>Inanna tended to have issues with Mountains not showing her respect
Spiritual mountains maybe, Ishtar is more complicated than i thought. Ishtar of Uruk appears to have two Venusian manifestations, one male, one female, apparently was also depicted with two faces as adrogyne, from "The Pantheon of Uruk" book. She also apparently hates when her harlots and prostitutes are removed, as part of local prophecy of exile from Uruk to Babylon, when Uruk simply removed cult of Inanna and replaced her with another goddess (which is exactly what christians did with every Venus cult in Europe by replacing her with Maria, its 15 vs 40). Hence since then she's known as whore of Babylon only to a whole region apparently, maybe that's the basis of Isaiah's Lucifer (masculine manifestation of Inanna). Nebuchadnezzar II brought Istar back later though, as they say "Returned Innin to Eanna". É-AN.NA, house of heavens, NIN being simply Lady. Lady of Heaven. "Lady" part is only considered a manifestation of Ishtar. Otherwise same Nebuchadnezzar wouldn't call Ishtar sedu of Uruk or portray as adrogyne in religious texts.
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6be52a No.182933
>>160608
>>182843
You know what i just realized none of it matters, its brainlet tier issue we're having. Before Pythagoras and his usage of decimal system in the greece, Sumerians counted in Sexagesimal system with 12 factors 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 10, 12, 15, 20, 30, and 60 of which 2, 3, and 5 are prime numbers. Trying to count what Sumerians meant in Sexagesimal system with Decimal system is like trying to pretend that in Hexadecimal code a Decimal number is the same. That said, sexagesimal numeral system is probably most esoteric, hence why 7 is such a holy number, because its above sexagesimal numeration. Most importantly it goes by the degrees of a circle, so sexagesimal system is still used for measuring time, hence number 13 in petals of Kabbalistic Rose/Venus rotations around the sun is equal to "witching hour", and there are no 70 minutes in an hour. One needs to treat those numbers as impossibility within original sexagesimal system.
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0fcf06 No.182942
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>>182848
>>182933
Yes we are stalwarts like Nergal and Ninurta, or even Odin and Thor, true sons of the North the place of endings and beginnings, happenings in general, the point of prime causation.
En-lil is as the aurora Borealis, a great Northern ghost, En-ki in the South is the fullness of physical form and life, but when it comes to the North which are we talking about Celestial or Galactic, there's a 27.13° differential according to the crooked tree, almost ten minutes past midnight
Judgement is of the North in terms of to be or not to be and Eres-kigal means Queen of Eres, were Eresh is the biblical/Semitic term for Uruk, which is in terms of Nisaba/Virgo.
>"I want you to go back to Eres, the city of Nisaba, the city whose foundations are august. Do not delay! Repeat to her what I am going to tell you: "I am a young man, I have sent this message to you because of my wish: I want to take your daughter as wife. Give me your consent. I will send you presents in my name, …… my marriage gifts. I am Enlil, the descendant and offspring of Ansar, the noble, the lord of heaven and earth. The name of your daughter shall become Ninlil
Eres can also be taken as Eris, the generation of choice and the potential for discord, and she is the Queen of the Underworld, within the Earth. This can be seen as an aspect of the Heavenly Inanna, who sometimes threatens to raise the dead though that is more properly relating to Eres-Kigal.
The Sumerian word NIN (from the Akkadian pronunciation of the sign EREŠ)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NIN_(cuneiform)
So Dingir Nin-ana as basis for Inanna involves the Eres sign.
>According to the rites of Erkalla and the great Earth I shall raise up the dead, and they will eat the living.I shall make the dead outnumber the living!'"
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f8a43e No.182958
>>182931
To me it is simply a warning to the 'jews' about seating themselves as rulers in Europe. But I haven't really thought it through yet either. Weirdly enough it has been on my mind in the background for about a week now.
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75bd23 No.182993
>>182942
Found number of Nergal/Moloch. Its kind of stupid, should had thought about it since your connection to Herkules. Its also Mars.
>8 has no perfect reciprical to 60 but due to it's imbalance to 60, it is the number of Conflict and Obstacles that must be overcome. It is also the number of Nergal the Lord of the Underworld(mars) and has the riprocal of 45 to 360. 8 are the rays of the star that means 'god' in cuneaform and all the gods but Enki and Anu went to the realm of death to face trials and obstacles in order to learn a moral / social lesson.
>Parpol gives the following numbers for the gods
>14 (Nergal) (reiprical is 4.2)
14 from Legend of 14 demons, and his conflict with Ereshkigal:
>Nergal and Ereshkigal
>According to this myth, the gods have created a banquet for which all deities are invited. However, Ereshkigal is unable to leave the underworld. Instead, she sends her son Namtar to take a share of the feast. When Namtar arrives, the other deities rise out of respect except for Erra. Insulted, Namtar goes home and tells his mother. Enki and other gods tell Nergal to enter the underworld. Nergal takes with him 14 demons. When he arrives, the gatekeeper Neti gets orders from Ereshkigal to allow him through the seven gates, stripping him of everything until the throne room, where he would be killed. But at each gate, Nergal posts two demons. When he gets to the throne he knocks over Namtar and drags Ereshkigal to the floor. He is about to kill her with his ax when she pleads for her life, promising her as his wife and to share her power with him. He consents. However, Nergal must still leave the underworld for six months, so Ereshkigal gives him back his demons and allows him to traverse the upper world for that time, after which he returns to her. This myth shows how war is fought in seasons.
Note that pairs of demons equal to pairs of initially created human embryos.
Also i think there must be connection between Ereshkigal and Enki, Ki in both mean Earth, unless they symbolize Earth and Water. NIN is just feminine EN. and GAL is "great". Maybe they are male/female aspects of each other. Also in Parpol (apparently professor emeritus of Assyriology at the University of Helsinki) numerals Anu is 1 (maybe post castration) and Ea/Enki then becomes 60. Makes sense if Enki simply earth and earth/heaven are opposites of each other as usual in ancient thought.
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7f4515 No.183015
>>176796
>black box represents the material realm
And to some Black Room, Chamber of Death. They put spells into black cube, like "The Order of the Cubic Stone" of 1960, Enochian magicians of tradition compiled by John Dee, who practice adding up 7 ioyne Tables into one to join their spell Numerus Primus square tables full of letters, numbers and crosses, diuersly fashioned together, just like the jewish rabbies put scrolls of Torah into their phylacteries. Essentially inside every mystical black box must be a spell incantation of sorts. Its a black box of magic, you can put anything inside it, put it in front of crowds in hoping it affects them and crowds won't give a fuck, kind of like black square of malevich had a message underneath its black paint "Battle of negroes in a dark cave".
That said, Dee fashioned 7 ioyne Tablets in a circle, Order of Cubic Stone reformed the spell into foldable cross of 6 sides. Downgrade of 7 to 6 tables is significant. So to combat that some started making so called "double cubic altar" which is a feature in Museum of Witchcraft and used by Wiccans like Gerald Gardner. Corpus Hypercubus is part of same system. Symbolically representing inner and outer world. Especially in venusian example of negative/positive aspects of that planet.
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746914 No.183134
Also to continue on this one >>163128 i found heptagram can be divided on 12 sided circle to get numbers related to "sacred numbers" of those deities.
While my assumption of Enki's dial may not be perfect (more possibly its earth to venus correlation), dial of heptagram of vitriol fits 50 of Enlil perfectly, both from top and bottom, if one to copy dial like shown in instructions and starts with right "slice" of the circle, which is usually one the corners, bound to be repeated at the end of the dial. John Dee's Table of Enochian Angel Names was divided into 7 groups of 49, also a circle divided by 7 like sumerian heptagram.
Sumerians believed year is divided into approximately 360 days, and under Sexagesimal systems >>182933 this may be further divided and calculated for different dials/combinations in division of 60 and 360 degrees, but i am too lazy to do it, and its just been in my head for no reason. Also 18 that can be got with certain combination of triangles usually bogged me, but its sumerian solar cycle and number 20 being divided against 360, and sumerian number of zodiacal signs. This is what you get when you have numbers assigned to divinities/angels, maybe mathematical polygonal systems is meant to be drawn in specific order, like shinto exorcists cast pentagram in the air, or christians crossing themselves (three fingers touching 4 parts of the body in orthodox christianity also resulting in 12, crown of twelve stars of Mary/Church, also apostles/tribes of israel). So its not unique to have this dial to be gesture-like. Obviously its a sheet for musical instrument (its a number of strings), its just celestial harmony is sometimes central in theories on harmony as a whole.
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0fcf06 No.183144
>>182993
Ki only means earth in the general sense of land, the Deity of Planet Earth was Urash, so Ki was a term used in connection with various lands, Eres-ki-gal can be translated as Queen of great earth, as relating to those buried within it.
Eres was the Feminine counterpart of En which related to Masculine generative force and related more to cultivation as the Feminine function
Eres was also a City, likely an alternative name for Ur-uk as the place of cultivation, the shrine Eres of Nisaba, and she also related to a similar shrine of Eres at Aratta, in both cases named the E-zagin, the Lapis Lazuli House that contained the Lapis Lazuli tablet of the stars for consultation.
The number 14 relates more to the Lunar cycle and generative principle, in entering the underworld Inanna discarded 7 items of clothing and restored the 7 in departing so overall there the number is also 14
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343e79 No.183146
Also few things i find out:
1. Typical german/iron cross according to this >>183134 is equal to heptagram in numeral value around a circle.
2. Its also same number as number of Enlil
3. Rose (as pentagram) Cross consist on Enki+Enlil number, together forming 90 (highest number possible in system of 12 slices of a circle)
4. Rose+Cross or Enki+Enlil is always equal to 12 pointed Star in system of 12, 60 and 360 divisions of the circle
Ki is earth, Lil is Night/Spirit (as pneuma/wind)
Let me remind you of Genesis: "In the beginning God (Anu) created the heaven (Enlil) and the earth (Enki). And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit (Enlil) of God (Anu) moved upon the face of the waters (Enki as God of the Waters)."
Its the primal division of "Whole" of One into two. And i suspect point of Lil and Ki are principles of Incorporeal and Corporeal. Hence catholics cannot praise Jesus without admiring Mary. Its also a bit weird that Martin Luther denied worship of Mary, but himself was fancying rosecross as a symbol, kabbalists for example de-personify all numbers, Luther de-personified Maria into a rose just like a kabbalist would do, kind of shady on its own. Those people are aware of numerical systems attributed to divine powers, but its like emotional attachment to personalities behind them is secondary to alchemists/kabbalists.
That all said i have not yet countered dial behind number 70/IESUS. Those formulas are for Mother/Father, Corporeal/Incorporeal principles, or even Earth/Starry Sky.
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0fcf06 No.183150
>>183015
An interesting example of the esoteric usage of geometry and numerology is the three day Wagy festival of Osiris, which provided the basis for the Christian resurrection narrative, both celebrated from the 16th to the 18th day of the first month (though for the Egyptians the Summer solstice and the Hebrew the Spring equinox), the 16th as Last Supper with the 17th day relating to the day in the tomb and the 18th the day of resurrection
>The Egyptians have a legend that the end of Osiris's life came on the seventeenth of the month, on which day it is quite evident to the eye that the period of the full moon is over Because of this the Pythagoreans call this day "the Barrier," and utterly abominate this number. For the number seventeen, coming in between the square sixteen and the oblong rectangle eighteen, which, as it happens, are the only plane figures that have their perimeters equal their areas, bars them off from each other and disjoins them, and breaks up the ratio of eight to eight and an eighth by its division into unequal intervals
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Plutarch/Moralia/Isis_and_Osiris*/C.html
The 17th day then as a barrier, associate with the tomb to be overcome, and a hyperbolic equation involving this…
More generally, 16 and 18 represent solutions (x=4, y=4) and (x=3, y=6) of the hyperbolic equation xy = 2x + 2y
Taking day 17 eve of the Wag festival, day 18 Wag festival as dated from the start of year the Priory of Sion cultists also made a great deal of January 17th in connection with death and inscriptions on tombs on the same basis, except using the normative Western New years date, based upon the Winter solstice, it's the numerics that are important, and the solution 3 x 6
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d4373e No.183184
>>183150
Any opinion on 72 as a number (Shemhamphorasch, hidden name of "God")? It seems a lot of systems support this number as more appropriate than 70. IESUS may be 70, but 72 are "names of god" and 9 pointed star on the 12 divided circle. I almost lose hope here in terms of trying to correlate between esoterics of 72 and 70.
From one side Sons of Asherah and El are 70, but 72 of the kabbalah and my calculations override it. Difference feels insignificant, but it breaks whole thing.
This 2 seems to be a cornerstone. Especially in the light that Sumerians thought 2 to be a primal number together with 3 and 5. That said 72 fits with "circles 8, portals 9" of hindu egg if they are used as multiplier.
Also as i already pointed out 72 is also divider of 360 by 5 (360/72=5). A requirement of pentagram's degree of each triangle. Since pentagram is Enki's symbol, it fits also into 360/40 as 9, founding 9 pointed star that makes up 72 again.
There can either be 70 or 72. In other calculation, divisions just don't allow those two number to coexist.
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0fcf06 No.183197
>>183184
36 and 360 amount to the same thing in the sense that the Egyptians divided the ecliptic plane into 36 decans of 10 days each, If you have divided the angle between the solstice point into 18 sectors along which the ecliptic plane is seen to progress over 6 months of the year, and then return to starting point, then your 1st point will equate with the 36th, the 2nd with the 35th etc
The numeric sum of the two decans that appear at these 18 rising points will thus always equal 37, and 18 x 37 will always equal 666,(to calculate the sum of integers of a number a method is to add 1 and multiply by half, eg the sum of integers of 36 is 18x37=666 ) it was considered in 1705 that Regulus the sun and Moon in conjunction should be associated with the magic square of the sum of integers of 36; the pillars of sun and moon equating with a numeric system that divided the angle between the solstice points into 18 sectors.
In terms of these rising points there is the one degree shift in the position of the Sun every 72 years.
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0fcf06 No.183304
>>183197
In Egypt Regulus marked the starting point of the year at the Summer Solstice and would then progress through the 18 decanal rising points before reversing, the basis of representing the Decans in two rows, vurrently Regulus rising centrally at the Autumn equinox.
It was this association of the solstice points as two pillars and Regulus relating to the King that was adopted in the Judeo-Masonic tradition of Solomon, associate with the 18 x 37 formulae.
>The weight of gold that came to Solomon yearly was 666 talents of gold, besides that from the travelling merchants, from the income of traders and from all the kings of Arabia, and from the governors of the country. (1 Kings 10:14)
>The weight of gold that came to Solomon yearly was 666 talents of gold, besides what the travelling merchants and traders brought. And all the kings of Arabia and the governors of the country brought silver and gold to Solomon. (2 Chronicles 9:13)
Conceptually the equinox point could be considered as a third pillar, and also the 36 decans observed on the Eastern horizon could also be observed in the West
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369acf No.183571
>>183304
Knowing masons third pillar could be anything, they just build temples to qualities/functions of God without personality. From three functions, Wisdom Strength and Beauty of the Lodge of Three Pillars was formed by Baron Karl von Hund to eventual foundation of Third Temple. They don't always add the third pillar of Beauty though, hence Arch of Heaven is usually built upon Wisdom and Strength, judging from encyclopedia. But its probably just completion of allegory of the Noah's Ark as "Arch" of Heaven (if there's any tripartite allegory in jewish thought of old testament, its Noah's Ark).
Consider consulting encyclopedia of Freemasonry:
https://1lib.eu/book/5000494/7d9ad3
Their symbolism depend from lodge to lodge. But point is depersonalized kabbalist-like worship of functions for wordly benefit.
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0fcf06 No.183739
>>183571
The two pillars of Solomon were strength and beauty, the third sometimes broken pillar is that of wisdom.
But we know that relates to the Northern triangle of Arcturus-Spica-Regulus, the greater adaptation of that is to the pillars as solstice points and the equinox, were the Summer solstice relates to the Masculine and the Winter the Feminine, the Equinox the Son, with the qualities of the two combined.
It's this adaptation that makes Regulus the great marker of the Ages and theory of cyclic destruction as related to the Sethian pillars, the flood corresponds to Regulus at the Winter solstice, the end and the start of the cycle, as natural to four seasons
The numerology and methodology involved derives from Egypt and their system of Decans but the Hebrew has adapted it to his own imaginings in so much as their petty Kings could ever relate to the Son of Enlil or that through having gained understanding of the system they can produce a supposed Messiah to represent such
But they based the Samson story on the qualities of the Son of Enlil that as Nergal, that the strong long haired Lion King cannot be controlled and that Regulus at the Autumn equinox is going to be all about destruction over the last quarter cycle, the best they could hope for is controlled demolition because their civilization/exploitation is unsustainable, thus they think they can just work towards destroying everyone else, but they are not Nergal, and there is mutual antipathy, Eris doesn't like them either and she rules Scorpio as the ruling sign of the Autumn equinox, thus Regulus at the Autumn equinox harmonizes with Antares, in their own strange way.
Regulus (Venant) – summer solstice (Watcher of the North)
Antares (Satevis) – autumnal equinox (Watcher of the West)
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ca4d32 No.183792
jews will not rest until they have completely eradicated all your genetical superiority.
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2146d4 No.183833
>>183739
(sage because it's not really political, but i love mystical shit like this)
all of this is super interesting, but in light of this, what does 153 as mentioned in John 21:11? I know it's the sum of 1 thru 17, but what's the deeper symbolic meaning?
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f40edf No.183844
>>183739
>The two pillars of Solomon were strength and beauty
Out of contemplation i agree that wisdom would logically be left out, since its the only one immortal. Strength and beauty have their time to shine, but wisdom prevails into eternity.
But that's not jewish logic.Boaz and Jachin:
Boaz (Hebrew בֹּעַז boʿaz "In him/it [is] strength")
Jachin (Hebrew יָכִין yakin "He/it will establish")
For some reason Catholics have Hiram in stainless glass at St John's Church, Chester.
There are appointed people in the freemasonic cult associated with three pillars. Junior Wardens are usually represented by south pillar of Beauty, when three pillars are present. Also Plumb/Eagle with Flaming Sword. Senior Warden - Level, hollow square and sword of justice, Strength. Worshiping Master by a square, and master of Wisdom, represents figure equal to Solomon.
>>183833
Vesica piscis, which is symbol of transfer between life and death, as well as gematria of Magdalene. But the thing is about it is that its included to confirm necessity of numerology in Christian faith as a whole. I find numerological contemplation probably greatest entertainment in jewish/chaldean cults because they keep even most complex minds obedient to scriptures, by being mystified. At least greek orphics mostly kept that mystification at level of riddles and epithets, semites are all about numbers.
Anon had a suspicion its all connected to ancient semitic fish cult by symbolism of fish alone >>158599
It keeps being significant because of positions of venus and moon towards piscis >>158597
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f40edf No.183852
>>158599
>femme fatale aspect of the Medieval Melusine
One might wonder if Snake is not equal to the Devil figure, and that's why the fruit temptress by some were associated with Melusine as public memory of Echidna, mother of monsters, and to extension later jewish legend of Lilith. I've been noticing Melusine symbolism in a lot of hermetic works goes unnoticed or not paid attention to.
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2146d4 No.183878
>>183844
Jews: Silly Tricks and Cut Up Dicks since 6000 BC
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2146d4 No.183935
>>183912
>>183911
>>183910
>>183909
Thank you for sharing. Now kindly suck a GRIDS dick and die.
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0fcf06 No.183959
>>183844
They sure like their mystical pillars, and there's no harm in it if they could dig a little deeper beneath the jewish veneer and appreciate the finer qualities of Lord Nergal.
>>183833
17 is an interim number as mentioned here >>183150 related to the inter-mediate condition of being neither truly alive or truly dead, in an account that is neither literally true or utterly false, the fish represent faith which occupies such a position.
>>183852
Melusine traces back to the Fish nymphs of the Indus valley and Southern Mesopotamia, the cult of Enki, and his flexible approach to Biology
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b4d50a No.184045
>>183959
I think the difference between jewish attitude towards religion, and white man's attitude is quite clear. Its all in a phenomena of depersonalization of figures worshiped. Where a white man puts a statue, a jew puts a pillar. Where a catholic places image of an inspiring holy man, a protestant only puts his symbol. Those kinds of attitudes are all over the place in iconoclastic religious derivations, that are all about functions, symbols, numbers and geometries.
For a jew God is a number of functions to bind into characteristics they call angels. For a white man Gods, Angels or Saints are "role models" to follow and believe were doing miracles. The difference quite significant because archetypical personalities usually become daemons of consciousness, checking themselves how role model would behave in certain conditions, while computer-like brain of a jew requires condition of depersonalized object serving describable function, but in no way resembles a human, least it gets called an idol.
Rosecrucian protestant depersonalizes Mary into a Rose geometry and numerals and doesn't treat Saints as additional role models, and focuses only on personality of Jesus, while denying Jesus image and puts a symbol of cross alone, as worshiped geometric form.
Freemason depersonifies even further, removing Jesus as role model at all and copying Solomon's mystical temple shapes, following Pythagoras, Hiram and Euclid as patriarchs of geometrical/masonic mystery cult.
And last but not least, Kabbalist depersonifies even geometric shape into pure numerical value with assigned function of what can at this point can hardly be called a personality at this point, inconceivable at intellectual level, yet programmable as if those people treat reality being affected by their hebrew alphabet math magic.
So the degradation of religion goes as follows:
Multiple Personalities -> Single Personality -> Geometrical Association -> Mathematical Formula
At last two levels, with original jewry being somewhere in between, the cult becomes function manipulation sorcery and contemplation on programming public consciousness.
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02fb8f No.184053
I am sorry, jewish golem making instructions make me lose my shit.
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f8a43e No.184059
>>184053
These people 'rule' the world. Nothing bad could come of someone who can't form an idea or complete sentence taking over the civilization of the planet.
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0fcf06 No.184063
>>184045
Their religion is pseudo-science, they obsess over numbers and patterns in order to understand systemic function in order to control, the best example Jacob Frank and his Doctrine of Big Brother.
>If you had been in wholeness, then I would have sent one of you with a pass from that Maiden to the Big Brother. Having come to that screen, you would have found one guard, who would have asked you, Where are you going? You would have replied, I seek my brothers.
>Only then would he have led you with that pass to the Big Brother. But you must know that at his place are rooms without number; and there are many of them in which he has not been since the beginning, for he is made to forget them.
>Among them is one room in which all the deeds of men are written down nightly and all the words they speak during the day. He himself sees and watches over everything that happens here in this world. And if you had entered that room, you would have found there those words that I would have told you here that day.
>In that room the Big Brother himself would there have read all my words, which I would have spoken with him from here. Know that he cannot now get through that screen, but just so I would have revealed to him by what means he could get across the barrier. He himself does not now have the power of crossing
>..but to the Big Brother himself I would have given advice on how he might get through his screen; and all of that would have been through you. If that Big Brother had come to me, then you would have seen what would have happened in the world.
>That Big Brother is before God and has the power of granting growth, beauty, and riches, but as to this world in which we are, it is not known to him by what means to seize it, so as to subjugate it.
>Therefore it is my desire to unite with him, for both of us could lead the thing out with strength, in the open, and that is what stands with you, Do not hope for the steps of the messiah until you see the rainbow in bright colors, that indicates that Big Brother.
https://archive.org/stream/TheCollectionOfTheWordsOfTheLordJacobFrank/TheCollectionOfTheWordsOfTheLordJacobFrank_djvu.txt
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f8a43e No.184066
>>184063
They are all waiting to join that great roach motel in the sky. Turning South and to the right stuck to the pole like a bug and then off into the pit. I will not miss them.
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a91749 No.184072
>>184063
Source of all problems is eternal anglo, "Judeo-Scots" as the book says. I am reading right now Restoring the Temple of Vision - Cabalistic Freemasonry and Stuart Culture, i am too lazy to give good screencaps right now, so you can read it yourself if you want:
https://1lib.eu/book/2457465/2d76d8
Rosicrucian cabal had this global idea of love and peace, to "build bridges among religious divides", the idea of tolerating all the spiritual teachings and occult lodges. This renewed hebrew studies and tolerance of the rabbinic jews. So in a way english rosicrucians allowed both freemasons and orthodox kikes to thrive from england and beyond. Most ideas originating from english universities. And jews through them petitioned protection from anti-semitic attacks in 17 century.
>"It were happy if all States, Christian especially, were at unity in themselves and with their neighbors so the course of this world may be so peace-ably ordered".
>"And if you will believe the Jews, the Holy Spirit hath purposely involved in the Words of Scripture, every Secret that belongs to any Art or Science, under such Cabalisms as these. And if a Man were expert in unfolding of them, it were easie for him to get as much Knowledge as Adam had in his Innocency, or Human Nature is capable of"
They were mystified by jewish kabbalistic thought so much, they wanted to reistablish judaism in friendly fashion, because what could go wrong?
Kircher, Fludd and Bruno obviously contributed to this line of thought. But it only really joined into a cult at England. Giordano Bruno's most intimate friends lived in London, where his art got most populated, but also contributed to promotion of cabbalistic thought inside catholic hermeticism (hence why there's such proud memory and statue for Bruno is built, he helped hebrews in promoting this thought indirectly).
They are important because they built foundation to a thought that somehow hebrew language within hebrew mysticism was source of various magical powers, while "dumb goyim" keeps believing that, english society was exploited inside out. What fascinates me all of this happened because english catholics stopped combating magic.
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f8a43e No.184073
>>184045
>>184063
On reflection, I think these combined comments are two of the most important I have ever read. It really solidifies WHAT the difference between the one Alien race and the human race. To the serpent race everything is an abstraction, which is why they have no soul or future except that of extinction. To the human race everything is emotional which is why we have too much soul and reject reasoning and logic. Progress is obtained by rejecting both qualities as the sole criteria for existence and forging a new path.
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a91749 No.184076
They even had their own new Justin Martyr. If that one claimed that Plato was inspired by Moses, Thomas Treloar claimed jews were the source behind Euclid and Pythagoras.
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0fcf06 No.184082
>>184066
The Roach Motel otherwise known as Hekhalot mysticism
>At [the place of] that Brother there are very many rooms, for every power there is in the world there is for every one— individually— a room there. He himself has the key to every room, like to child-bearing, rain, resurrection and so on; everything is there. But there is one room to which he also has the key, but which he may not approach, for his power is weak; and that power which is there in that room will not permit him to take the key in his hand. And therefore I set you up as Brothers and Sisters, just as it is at [the place of] that Big Brother. And if you had come to that closed room, everyone would have seen his fortune there.
>Also the Big Brother and his brothers say that I am not yet the one who has come to unite with them, for they see that you rejected me and did not want to follow me and from that they deduce that that time has not yet come. Know also that the Big Brother always tries to see if he can get past his screen, but some thing draws him back to his place, from which he concludes that there is something higher over them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hekhalot_literature
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f8a43e No.184084
>>184076
I think they have it backwards. I think that the cold calculating abstraction and psychopathy of the jewish mind is the direct result of dining (maybe literally, since they are cannibals due to the negro blood, who knows) on a little too much Pythagoras.
>>184082
I haven't heard of this. I will look into it.
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2ebf9f No.184092
>>184082
That's not mysticism, that's ancient jewish shitposting.
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d4373e No.184208
>>183739
I am sure people were already chewing this down.
But i am not sure if they did it already in relation of twin towers against statue of Hecate/"Virgin" (If anything Artemis is supposed to be perpetual Virgin no matter what >>159936 ). I recognize that tripartite Hecate most certainly is associated with Three Mary's of christian religion, so that completes a circle that statue of Liberty is supposed to be a Virgin, like a Virgin crying with Chronos near a broken column, that column used to be a tomb. Liberty as torch bearer also didn't symbolize bearing of light, but a funeral or marriage in masonic meaning.
There's an important symbolism of "broken columns", and i think its related to establishment of the new order, especially if it was a ritual of annihilation of the Ark of Heaven (or at least it was unintended result, hence global degeneracy, because they were establishments connected esoterically to purity of Virgin). First of all before citing Freemasonic dictionary let me remind of Ezekiel 30:4:
>And the sword shall come upon Egypt, and great pain shall be in Ethiopia, when the slain shall fall in Egypt, and they shall take away her multitude, and her foundations shall be broken down.
"Foundations" in this contexts are actually columns by masons. Multitude in this passage means wealth. Text later continues into prophecy of king of Babylon making multitude of Egypt to cease.
According to Dudley in Naology "pillars represented the sustaining power of the great God"; "power of the Almighty constantly employed to secure the safety of all the world" Symbolism of breaking those pillars probably already included in the idea that they are pillars of "cloud and fire", conversion of pillars representing "strength" and most importantly "stability" into "cloud and fire". I don't think by any means cloud and fire were supposed to be sustainable, they broke columns to break old order.
If Wisdom is the column that's broken, then it fits that it represents Worshiping Master at the table of the lodge, because in other systems worshiping master represents arch itself between senior and junior warbens. Probably a reason for usual exclusion of third column to fit Boaz/Jachin, then Liberty as being in between arch as if Worshiping Master also symbolized Sophia. That is before destruction of "pillars"; "The Pillars of heaven tremble and are astonished at his reproof".
Now as i know masons are all about making order out of chaos. So chaos instituted by a new society is needed to establish new order. They are ignorant though that whole point of Ezekiel prophecy is to doom Egypt.
What's funny is that Hermetic brotherhood of Luxor (page 176) predicted degeneracy as outcome in 19 century (Their Anael's age of AD 2188 to 2497) >>160051:
>It is at this point that i would warn all Western Nations. Remember that this is the period of feminine force and love. Therefore, see to it that you form not those magnetic conditions that would attract into your midst the dark legionaries of Anael. If you do, Woe be unto you; as pride and luxury, licentiousness and debauchery will result, and the fate of Nineveh, Babylon and Rome will be yours
And prior to it page 173, which i usually consider end of WW2 era instead of end of 2188:
>And it is remarkably strange, that, no sooner did Michael's Rule end, than the numerous priestly enemies of this noble reformer (Jesus) became triumphant, and brutally murdered Him, as they have done thousands of others in all ages of the world
So i fancy period between Hitler's death and 9/11 as equal to period of transofmation of Rome into christianity. World Wide Weimar of Anael is the new christianity. Emperor Constantine assumed rule at 306, Edict of Thessalonica was done in AD 380, if everything will be going as slow, then indeed major changes will be in between 2200-2300, but modern society progresses fast, real fast.
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c3ebcd No.184218
Actually you know what, to add to this post:
>>184208
Freemasonic kikes are surely arrogant by using symbolism directly taken from Gospel of John.
Its just what they change:
Tomb -> Broken Pillar
Two Angels -> Two Pillars
Jesus behind Mary -> Chronos behind Virgin
But then again, its classic Templar symbolism of Magdalene being equal to Mother, just obviously de-christianized.
I don't think they hint at Hecate/Chronos as Magdalene/Christ pairing because of respect to white culture, but most certainly out of hate towards the church. Don't get me wrong though, i agree with Templar perspective, but i see Freemasons as transgressors using knowledge of Templars for their own purposes. Otherwise they wouldn't grow out of Kabbalist Rosicrucians, and the later believe in false message of tolerance.
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0fcf06 No.184219
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>>184072
I posted a lot of quotes and links to papers from this author last thread, on the rise of the juden-Scot and Jacobite Free Masonry, it's somewhat Black pilling to realized how long and deeply they have been involved with the British Crown and Aristocracy, but as a positive it also has to be said that Free Masonry is as much a product of the Celtic mind as the jewish, they supplied the numbers and geometry but the manifest form is a product of the Celtic imagination and the values they attempt to ascribe to their Order, also as the author draws attention to the various mindsets of the classicist, the Celt, the jew and the Hanoverian were played out in James Joyce's Ulysses
>>184092
The problem is Choice/Eres, the Anomaly is Nergal.
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c3ebcd No.184221
>>184219
>it's somewhat Black pilling to realized how long and deeply they have been involved with the British Crown and Aristocracy
Yeah, that's what i felt as well.
Meanwhile less surprising Swedish Queen was dancing with her jewish friends in upcoming of their messiah.
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0fcf06 No.184236
>>184221
It also becomes a question of how much of the religious conflict was orchestrated by rival jewish factions, the Scottish element behind Jacobite Free Masonry shows no indication of the Orthodox and could trace back through aristocratic families to the Late Roman Empire, whereas the Protestants were aligned with Orthodox jews in Holland and Germany, before the secular Frankists emerged in Eastern Europe.
So the translation from Jacobite Freemasonry to the Hanoverian and the Catholic/Protestant wars that resulted also involved archaic krypto-kike factions versus the main body of Judaism that were working to restore Christianity back to it's Old Testament basis.
The same scenario played out in America were Jacobite Masonry overthrew Hanoverian rule until the main body of Judaism arrived in New York and civil war commenced.
>>184208
The pillars can represent the generation of a King, there were only three Kings of a united Israel each ruling for 40 years, Saul, David and Solomon, they don't seem to have thought much of Saul so he could be the apprentice, David relating to the Masculine pillar and Solomon to the Feminine, so the whole mad obsession with pillars relating to Kingship of Israel.
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9ffd8c No.184263
>>184236
>there were only three Kings of a united Israel each ruling for 40 years
Interesting return to number of Enki. There are clearly two kinds of pillars actually, "Pillars of Heaven", and "Pillars of Earth".
From old testament:
>1 Samuel 2:8 He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the Lord’s, and he hath set the world upon them.
>Job 9:6 Which shaketh the earth out of her place, and the pillars thereof tremble.
And of Heaven:
>Job 26:11 The pillars of heaven tremble and are astonished at his reproof.
Since they appear in a single book of Job together, they may represent some necessary laws of heaven and earth, Enlil/Enki duality.
>It also becomes a question of how much of the religious conflict was orchestrated by rival jewish factions
In 1666 there's certainly was a conflict between Sabbateans and Judeo-Scotish kikes. Ended with Sabbatean leader forcibly converted to Islam after attempting to go to Jerusalem. Judging by the fact they expected some messiah maybe year was esoterically significant to them.
As far as Masonic orders go they really don't follow the archetype of ascetic man like John the Baptist or Knights of Templar, just some fat rich Judeo-Scots in ugly dresses. They really are aggressive against Church and Christ in assumption everything Templars were accused of including spitting on crosses was true. Except Raymond de La Fère admitted only under torture "I have spat three times on the Cross, but only from my mouth and not from my heart". I am curious why some of them call themselves Templar at all, if they are nothing like them. I'l need to read on them later more, but the amount of literature is a huge slog and there's a tone of contemporary heresy that is borderline fiction.
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0fcf06 No.184274
>>184263
The Jacobite Free Masons always seem to have been more concerned with the principles of Divine Kingship, the legend of the Stone of Scone relating to the transference of that to Scotland, given their likely origins in Hellenistic Judaism of the Late Roman Empire it's note worthy that the Sabbatians also considered themselves Hellenists though it's harder to see why.
The main problem for Jacobite Freemasonry and the old krypto-kikes of the Democrat families of the American South is that they have become closely aligned with Antinomian Sabbatian-Frankism's legacy of radical secular judaism, who would always rather win through cheating than fairness and the criminal over the honest, and that has made them totally abhorrent, traditional Irish and Scottish nationalism falling to the same subversive forces, to the advantage of the judeo-protestant mainstream, i can see what remains of the old Democrats in America being crushed because of this with the Antinomian kikes escaping blame, and Noahide Laws here we come, unless that can be reversed and Jacobite Free Masonry extrapolates itself from the diabolical, that's the only tradition with anything worth salvaging, though even that with a mind to understanding the original basis, which was never about Kings of Israel.
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f8a43e No.184579
>>184236
I am slightly perplexed by their thinking that they would have any Messiah. The Book of Revelations as well as the Book of Enoch have them being rounded up and thrown into the Lake of Fire (disassembled forever as a failure…not being rescued). I have to wonder if they have fantasized about being burned alive for so long that it is now their fantasy of Heaven.
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f8a43e No.184582
>>184579
The 'messiah' is for the victims, those mutilated, tortured, starved and murdered that the jews (aliens) have left in their wake, not for the jews…that is preposterous.
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0fcf06 No.184642
>>184579
There isn't any basis because the crocodile based Kingship was Horite not Sethian, the cult of Horus as saviour.
In the Sinai region as we looked at the Divine Kingship is more based on Venus Morning star, Dhu Shara relating to Ashtar, who in Ujaritic myth took interim Kingship in the absence of Ba'al, that being something of a joke
The numerics of idealized Hebrew Kingship, the 40 year periodic relate to the Venus cycle as does their tribal structure, David and Solomon reigned for 80 years which is 10 such cycles, five of the right hand and five of the Left, but there was also the 40 year reign of Saul.
The overall 120 year periodic relates to ten cycles of Jupiter, which is a greater marker for Divine Kingship
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2eaa9e No.184649
>>184579
At "scottish-pseudotemplar" (because i don't know how else to call it) idea it has this denial of Jesus crucifixion for salvation of all men, and instead claims John the Baptist wasn't speaking of Jesus, but of someone else, that is yet to come, folding loop with messianic jews. That's the basis of freemasonry.
Or simply speaking masonic jews don't believe in Christ's Azazel-like (by book of Enoch by the way, which is non-canon) sacrifice as scapegoat for all Sin. But instead just like other messianic jews they wait for messiah of John the Baptist. Who by the way may be Maria larping as both of Johns.
In renaissance idea John was amalgamation of Dionysus. Previous God similar to Jesus who ended up being ideological foundation for future Christianity through Orphism. Since there's no difference between Thyrsus and the Cross.
Our religion is a mess of ideas first taken from Sumerians, then going through Egyptian and Greek mind and only later going through conjoinment with Jewish literature. But original idea is Azazelian crucifixion of divine scapegoat, which connects testaments with Enochian apocrypha. This sacrifice is unique to Azazel's fall (presumably into depths of Saturn) and Jesus sacrifice as scapegoat for sin. This completion of message makes it really different from "suffered" gods who didn't really suffer for others compared to message of Christianity. Jews still wait for their violent molochian murderer of gentiles.
That said. Jewish heretics, Dionysian bacchanalians and Osirian cultists find similarities between themselves which make them ultimately united against common enemy of Set/Satan of the fallen. Its a pity it dragged jews themselves along, especially knowing of the potential desire of some higher intelligence of saving/convertin jews themselves, and wasting its time on it, together with white lives.
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0fcf06 No.185160
Looking at the greater doctrinal context for Jacob Frank's notion of Big Brother as the Fat Controller th>i>s relates to the Christian tradition of
>In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
that there is a Heavenly counterpart to the Temple on Earth, which in the Dead sea scrolls version has individual booths built into the inner courts for the individual Hebrews'
>For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
They're basing that off the Pegasus square and that was associated with labyrinth like complexity in Mesopotamian tradition, the Hebrews simply having formalized and compartmentalized this.
The basis of Hekhalot mysticism of ascent into the Heavenly palace is actually commonly experienced by many in terms of dreams of wandering through a large Hotel, and there are feelings of anxiety associated with this, in terms of finding one's room, has this been paid for, will one be discovered and evicted, a lot of which relates to finding one's place in the world, the only time i experienced this dream with a Divine angle was were i was running security and Nun was the proprietress
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e5f7cb No.185176
>>185160
>in terms of finding one's room, has this been paid for, will one be discovered and evicted
Reminds me of another passage, again with a "brother", Matthew 5:23-26:
>Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee; Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift. Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison. Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.
The word "brother" here is αδελφος in greek, ἁ- (ha-, “same”, copulative prefix) + δελφύς (delphús, “womb”).
The last passage correlates in gospels with Jacob 2:13; Luke 16:26; Matthew 18:34; Matthew 25:41; Matthew 25:46
It also correlates with John 15:2:
>Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
Mind "in me" in this passage. Once a person becomes entangled in the Tree of Life, he's a part of a spiritual system, which is able to either purify or eliminate non-fruitful branches into oblivion. Other spiritual system may correlate to being branches of something different, yet with a promise in Matthew 15:13 that "Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up".
So basically to stand at all in front of left and right hands of Jesus means to believe in Jesus in the first place. Otherwise one wouldn't be standing there post death, and be subjected to Hell. What i am doubting here is absolute power of deity behind this spiritual system in the first place, least its oven is merely personal contraption. Other trees are planted by other daimoniacs and not Sanctus Spiritus/Holy Pneuma, because they are in conflict between one another. The part of "uprooting" means removing other religious systems, prior to even sending them to metaphysical oven or being able to at all. Everything else could go to place even beyond Hades instead, and that's the basics of purgatory. And what's daimoniac is from daimoniacs, what's from Spirit is Spirit. For Spirit all daimoniacs are "satan", because Jesus instantly describes δαιμονια (δαιμόνιον; a demonic being; by extension a deity:–devil, god) that jews claimed he cast out with power of beelzebub, and committed the only unforgivable blasphemy, were instantly both called σατανας (πως δυναται σατανας σαταναν εκβαλλειν / How can satan cast out satan?).
It completes itself in John 15:22-24 mostly about the jews.
>If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin. He that hateth me hateth my Father also. If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father.
Sometimes atheists love saying words like "Let Me in so I can save you from what I'm going to do to you if you don't let Me in.", what they miss is that its not against the bible at all and its main point as being a part of spiritual branching. It is in fact one indeed subjects himself to potentially going to Hell if he ever lets Jesus in.
And last important thing to note, there's certainly outer darkness as a motive in case one cannot be put into oven, because only branches/Christians can be put to Hell (Matthew 8:10-12):
>When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel. And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
"σκοτος το εξωτερον" is simply not the same word as αδου. The outer darkness is reserved for "non-branches". Or simply speaking a forewarning against followers of other teachings, who are not part of Christ's δελφύς, the Church.
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0fcf06 No.185282
>>185176
There's some correspondence between the three Temple courtyards of the Dead sea scrolls and the Chinese three Celestial enclosures, in that the outermost was common to all, while the Middle Temple courtyard of the Hebrew was Israelites only, and the inner court the Levite Priests.
But the three Chinese courts are centred on Celestial North and the regions we have been looking at in terms of Bootes and Virgo, the Supreme Palace enclosure will correspond to Galactic North and Erua, the tree of Life, the common Market enclosure to Corona Borealis and the tree of knowledge.
The Chinese courts are understood as mirroring what was established on Earth, so Earthly courts would rule through those influences, it was also understood that this carried through into the underworld in terms of labyrinths and cities of the dead
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094f92 No.185591
>>185282
Sometimes i think you're looking into it too much anon.
Here's something negative, you cannot figure out labyrinths of the dead through stars. For they cannot be stars if if its called "underworld". I don't thing what's up is under, even in domain of Ereshkial. Hades of Plato's phaedo may have many twists and turns, but at the end of the day only inner guide matters. For unguided souls drink the first water they see anyway, even prior getting lost. You want too much of the milky way galaxy, and yet its not the only galaxy. That is unless one somehow believes that a habitable planet requires entire galaxy to function.
>Chinese
Consider the following, there are actually only two somewhat enduring afterlife teachings in the world:
1. Higher tradition of Christianity, which is byproduct of Jewish, Egyptian, Greek and Sumerian traditions, all more ancient than the lower one.
2. Lower tradition of Buddhism, which is byproduct of brahmanism of India, Chinese, Japanese, and all other eastern cultures that contributed of its development. May claim its more ancient, but its basis is less ancient than Christian heritage to Sumerian/Egyptian cultures. Even Vedas can't go as far. And Christ serving as ultimate Pharaoh-Priest of new religion.
Now Christianity is better because it came out of Egypt, reinserting Egyptian values into Judaism, holding 3000 BC value on top of its normal mysteries, probably similar attitude was held by Orpheus try to reform Dionysian religion but failing, and then Heraclitus, Pythagoras, Socrates, despite being great philosophers, still failing to manifest true teaching, failing at establishing new religion, ended up subjecting whole Europe to mystery cult of jewish patriarchs and Magdalene as matriarch. Now its not really a bad thing since it solved the problem. Bad thing is the "flood" of the jewish though about using angels as functions of some false god creating catastrophe in the future.
Our demise comes from our own inaction. In a way this is a white man's trait, to be lazy and do nothing, sad but tell me if not true, for i see a lot of our men being lazy in general sense to the point when there are fucking fairy tales about men who are lazy fucks in the beginning.
This is our problem. Lack of desire to fix shit. Not knowledge of stars, we already sorted them out in catholic tradition, for God's sake Asherah and Semele represent nothing less than Maria. But only renaissance culture could understand mysteries, not modern culture of insignificance under hebrew jurisdictions (which always ends up worshiping God not as "God" but as metaphorical amalgamation of functions represented either by angels, or by numbers or by alphabet, or by symbols, or by geometries, or by metaphors and so on).
In fact it seems to me killing off internet one day would be a good thing for whole society even if they don't understand whole meaning of mysteries, they have to be forced to get them through saints. Actually after reading some of catholic mystics they are barely any different from gnostics, and if there's any sin on hands of gnostics, its wrong names.
And as far as religion and spiritual systems go, Christ's Holy Spirit (as i call Him "Sanctus Spiritus") being in opposition to everything daemonic, means even Plato himself has to be rejected for he subjected himself to daemonic.
Things are actually in bad condition because of lack of differentiation and lack of desire of people to differentiate. Whole Europe may as well be doomed within next few centuries if some test like 1917 for russia doesn't befall on it.
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0fcf06 No.185603
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>>185591
It may be better to consider the underworld as the principle of interiorization which is the first cause of exterior manifestation.
All religions of the Northern hemisphere held that the North was the region of the interiorization of the Sun, that due North was the place of judgement were either a life force ended or began the process of rebirth, and there was no holding period, a continuous cycle.
In Egypt this initially related to the life force of the Divine Kingship continuing, but the soul of the individual King would be translated into the circumpolar region as an imperishable star., that neither rises nor sets, we can also relate that to the Taoist/Buddhist concept of immortals and the Court of Celestial North.
We can perhaps consider that a fully developed idea or life force has no reason to continue to re-cycle and evolve and becomes a fixed inner principle, but for those that do require further development will continue to be born and manifest by day into the light, and there the conflict of ideas transpires.
I don't think people are lazy or are doing nothing, they've following false ideals and religion primarily of the jews, which will always fail, thus the superior understandings are being re-introduced and conflict develops, it's a case of choose wisely.
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c3ebcd No.185608
>>185603
>soul of the individual King would be translated into the circumpolar region as an imperishable star
Have you ever considered that souls of the dead powering up invocatory of a name of the God, and that's the basis of Religion science when they cast a spell of becoming a "God" of this and that only to be associated by its name and be powering catalysis? Whole ritual of anointing someone may as well be a process to make one's name capable of being invocatory.
All Sumerian gods may as well be dead people, since their invocatory rites were proceeding from burial-star association. Especially lesser "gods". Which in hebrew ways probably found their real interpretation, because uncovering of loins of Noah by one of his sons is similar to castration of Ouranos by Cronos (although some Christians rightfully think that was just a proto-nigger rapist, nothing wrong with that idea).
Maybe all gods are not really gods but dead people, and all the dead people can be invoked by multiplying them kind of like all the dead egyptians died "in the name", as in being, of Horus, Osiris, and so on.
In a little bit different way i already contemplated this prior: >>159451
Roman Catholic church may as well know the art of binding souls of the dead to power up saintly names, but current pope may as well not even know this since he's a retard of this age of "reason".
And the church in fact as "body of Christ" lies in its invocation for both Christ and Mary as catalysts. Christ as Christ's body, Church as amalgamation of Mary and Holy Spirit. And the rest of saints in this acting as branches of a larger tree of life within Christ, acting through Holy Spirit as remembered channeling powers.
I've been reading Origen on ancient empires and he said:
>But with respect to those predictions which are found in Ezekiel concerning Egypt, such as that it is to be destroyed in forty years, so that the foot of man should not be found within it, and that it should suffer such devastation, that throughout the whole land the blood of men should rise to the knees, I do not know that anyone possessed of understanding could refer this to that earthly Egypt which adjoins Ethiopia. But let us see whether it may not be understood more fittingly in the following manner: viz., that as there is a heavenly Jerusalem and Judea, and a nation undoubtedly which inhabits it, and is named Israel; so also it is possible that there are certain localities near to these which may seem to be called either Egypt, or Babylon, or Tyre, or Sidon, and that the princes of these places, and the souls, if there be any, that inhabit them, are called Egyptians, Babylonians, Tyrians, and Sidonians.
See his "heavenly" Jerusalem and Judea, heavenly presence of nations. That some of nations akin to Sodom in Matthew 11:24, exist as spiritual confinements, rather than mere land nations. Christianity was meant to destroy Babylon/Sumeria and Egypt, in their spiritual condition. To impose new rulership over souls bound by its spiritual systems. But those of course went north instead according to Zechariah 6:8. The highest secret of this is something obvious, very obvious, but i cannot speak of, and not because i want to mystify you. Just compare all spiritual systems to each other and think how they fare.
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0fcf06 No.185775
>>185608
That's the Tutelary God of the people and the ancestral cult, the original basis of the collective, the story of Noah derives from the Marzeah of El, which was the Necromantic Feast of the Semitic Lodge, and they all traced their ancestry back to the Nephilim of Dedanu
https://www.academia.edu/30505243/2015_The_Marzeah_and_the_Ugaritic_Magic_Ritual_System_A_Clse_reading_of_KTU_1_114
The ancestral cult is always the first thing destroyed when a people is conquered, this was replaced in Christendom with the Feast of All Souls, which is the Christian ancestral collective rather than the ethnic and one learnt of the exploits of Abraham and Jacob rather than one's own ancestors.
In terms of a Tutelary progenitor such as Yngvi Frey and the Ynglings, they were in Yngvi and he was in them, they were as one body and one blood, the Catholic Mass was intended to displace that natural collective and provide a new basis of identity. supposedly based upon magical transformation rather than natural descent, spiritual children rather than actual.
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813b3d No.185780
>>185775
>one learnt of the exploits of Abraham and Jacob rather than one's own ancestors
Extremely good argument against old testament, but not against any Church with a Saint cult, where Saints of the country become those inspirational ancestors and not ancient jews. I guess its same with chinese/tibetian buddhism, they couldn't handle worshiping some Indian, especially knowing necessity of worship, so they came up with new Enlightened Ones of their own heritage. It comes from regional development of religion and still get nationalized.
That said, protestants are doomed to be slaves of the jews.
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3b5a86 No.185794
>>185780
Incorrect. Protestants are the only ones who stood against the jew. When released from their bondage the 'Dark' Age happened (humanity made 1000 fold progress). If they were doomed to be slaves of the jew, they wouldn't be trying everything to exterminate Western Europeans DNA from the planet. It is everyone else who will be the slaves forever.
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71ca85 No.185819
>>185794
Your image is bullshit, but its exactly since 1600 the rise of the cabal happened, promoting tolerance to jewry and increasing freedom and significance of the jew to population, giving them identity. Through Rosicrucians, Freemasons and eventually supporting tolerance to orthodox judaism, with all the pseudoscientific cults of alchemical/numerological kind fighting against attachment to ones own culture and reattaching themselves to jews, making bonds with the soulless semites and promoting self hate of whites towards their own religion, dividing church into camps worse than first split was.
What's the difference between iconoclasm of a protestant and destruction of the pagan religion? Both iconoclasms of developed culture of our people, protestantism is the greatest D&C of the jew. All they wanted is to strip the church out of power, and now the jew has power higher than the church.
What Jesus said to Peter was ultimately addressed to Church as an organization:
>John 21:18 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, When thou wast young, thou girdedst thyself, and walkedst whither thou wouldest: but when thou shalt be old, thou shalt stretch forth thy hands, and another shall gird thee, and carry thee whither thou wouldest not.
The older Church gets, more and more it is girded by "another", those others make it walk where it wouldest not. The more it depends on re-adapting to modern trends, the less freedom it has to influence Europe. And every Pope is this symbolic figure of Peter being part failure, a "satan" himself (Mark 8:33; Luke 22:31), a constantly wrongdoing sinner on his own who doesn't hesitate to kill a man (John 18:10; Acts 5:3-5), was prophesized to deny Jesus three times after crucifixion (John 13:38) and compelled the gentiles to live like jews living like a gentile himself (Galatians 2:14). But to miss significance of Peter's sins is to miss the point why he's put so high. For the keys of the church are given to failing man in face of all the popes in order to signify the upside down hierarchy of "first shall be last; and the last shall be first" (Matthew 19:30). And exactly because of that Peter died on an upside down cross, because Peter was symbol of that phrase, becoming a reverse according to Luke 22:26; "he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve".
So that means Jesus doesn't mind how much Church falls, for its supposed to fall like Peter, as long as Church remains a Church, while a Protestant Literalist at times acts just like Pharisee Scribe forgetting Apostolic succession, keys of the church in hands of the last.
Its a complicated mess we're in, corruption of Church actually manifests in Heaven, and Christ being scapegoat for sin makes even a puritan a jew. For a Church has power over Heaven:
>Matthew 16:19 "And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."
Bonds on earth make bonds on heaven, and those correlate to one another through secret works of Holy Spirit. Because of the keys. Any law that church makes and any change in teaching that church makes is not equal to heresies of individuals outside of church's power. Keys overrule any corruption of heresy:
>1st Corinthians 11:19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
Its not a question of heresies in general though, but heresies "approved", what changed from the state's teaching into new bond on heaven. And one of the most important first bonds that Byzantium Church initially made manifest was coronation of Mary and veneration of Mother of God, it was also done through key power.
Anyone taking papal office can do anything. And that's theoretically really dangerous, but also may be a solution. For inquisition did nothing wrong.
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3b5a86 No.185828
>>185819
Actually it is not 'bullshit'. It is exactly what happened. Protestants didn't exist in any number before the 1600. The rise of the Protestant also helped the rise of the jew because they were not jew wise. The jew knows this and so they stamp out nationalism, the natural response to jews. Catholics PROMOTED JEWISH, which is why nothing good ever happened to humanity while the Catholic church existed. For God's sake, the fucking Pope wears a fucking yarmulke. He is a fucking jew just like all the other leaders of the 'various globohomo religions' that steal from God and illegitimately dominate the planet.
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f74c42 No.185892
>>185819
>was prophesized to deny Jesus three times after crucifixion
*Meant to say right after Jesus was taken to high priest (Luke 22:54-61)
Would be too worried not fixing this mistake otherwise.
>>185828
That first picture is horrible, especially the eastern orthodox claim at post 13012724. Forced shitposting at this point.
>Pope wears a fucking yarmulke
Jews never prayed without head covered, but Pauline Christians went backwards on it:
>1st Corinthians 11:4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.
That said, Zucchettos are older than jewish Kippahs. Fashion on jarmułka came from poland, older jews only wore cloth above their heads since times of David. Origin of Zucchettos were greek Pileus hats, to keep clerics' heads warm (because they shave the skull on the top).
Kikes can make false claims that somehow polish jew tradition of wearing jarmulka is somehow equal to older Church's headgear, but in reality its obvious just like romanized synagogues they just copied a greek hat, not the reverse. Jews weren't even wearing those at all in middle ages, but funny bell looking hats.
Eventually those Pileus hats became smaller and smaller, and if one was looking like Mithra's/Orpheus hat before, it became a size of a bowl.
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533495 No.185896
>>185819
your efforts to evangelize these self righteous protestants don`t go unnoticed anon, much appreciated what you`re doing, for i no longer have the will explaining them their heresies, it all seem to run down like a water from a duck. These people simply cannot comprehend that roman catholic church is THE CHURCH that Jesus Christ instated, and it is only way to be saved.i hand the torch to you sir for i see you are one with zeal.
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421414 No.185917
>>176796
>cathar is the best sect of christianity
Okay, here we go on the Cathars, i was ignoring your appraisal of them, but just to show you how dangerous Cathar sect actually was i'l provide you one single line from confession of Inquisition, of accused in Cathar heresy:
>As Prancesca Tognato points out, this defense the passionate cry of the weaver in Toulouse accused of heresy: "I am not a heretic, for I have a wife and I sleep with her. I have sons, I eat meat, and I lie and swear, and I am a faithful Christian.""
Those people are no friends of nationalists. We need sons, even if we refuse to swear and eat meat.
Reason why Cathars were persecuted is in fact stated by Paul (since i think that heresy is close to Ebionite teaching, hence correlation with times of apostles); 1 Timothy 4:1-3:
>Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
So condemnation of Cathars was in fact biblical, and not just act of a whim of a Church.
Sometimes i think this is kind of seen in our times among public crowd as well, vegans and childless couples that are child free for environmental ethics. Christianity despite calling virginal life most perfect, subtly for national purposes teaches marriage and breeding. Virgin Mary despite being a Virgin is also symbol of motherhood, and preservation of virginity for future childbearing with a faithful husband among women. It also provides all sacraments related to family life making family dependent on works of the Church even more than a monk. Church Wedding and Infant Baptizing was strengthening bonds of families with governmental Religion in order to impact sense of higher authority in God for both married life and rising of kids.
And what Cathars have to offer on that?
>Cathar beliefs challenged established gender roles: a teaching common to virtually all Cathar texts is the condemnation of marriage and procreation. A woman's role as wife and mother has no value, since giving birth and nurturing children only perpetuates the evil of existence in the body. The body could not define peoples roles in the Cathar faith: both sexes could become perfects, preach, and administer the sacrament.
It was a heresy focused on destroying families. Maybe fitting for a monk or a nun to hold such beliefs personally, without imposing them on others, a reclusive hermit, but not for a nation.
>>185896
Spare me appraisal. I was baptized orthodox, practiced calvinism, having found no satisfaction in later, i view church as necessary institution. For all religions have their spiritual mountains, and you cannot really disconnect one from another, least you result, simply speaking, in a new mountain, false tree of another christ, another buddha, another olympus of pagan daemons.
Spiritual Jerusalem has its Lord. That Lord destroyed spirituality of all nations that submitted to Him, according to prophecies of Ezekiel and Isaiah. That new spirituality they submitted to is known from John 4:20-21
>Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship. Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
That is the moved mountain of Mark 11:23
>For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.
The heart of a mountain is the community of the Church, both heavenly and earthly, bound by laws of Church's keys, making earthly community of christians, and heavenly - one single kingdom of Matthew 5:34-35.
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3b5a86 No.185927
>>185917
mfw Paul, the jew, is you argument for the church being Christian (followers of Christ). Jews can't be Christian because they are children of the devil. Jesus told you that plainly. The Catholic Church (and all the rest) are actually Satanic Jewish institutions that have nothing at all to do with God. In fact, they stand in the place of God and declare that they are God. They are all antichrists.
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562493 No.185932
>>163402
>>163417
Alright, i found the "celestial bouncer" code in main Bible.
So lets get over this quick first, we have celestial bouncer codes in Egyptian religion of the young Horus, we have celestial bouncer codes in Orphic tradition of golden tables. we have celestial bouncer code for the moon in Kaushitaki Upanishad. There are celestial bouncer codes in Gospel of Thomas (line 50; about Light that's born of Light) and Gospel of Mary (line 9:27, about rest in silence). I think barely anyone ever questioned this before. Since lines between Thomas Gospel and Mary's Gospel are conflicting with each other, they are not true.
What i need to do is to remind you of Descent of Inanna for a moment, lines:
>Then Erishkigal fastened on Inanna the eye of death. She spoke against her the word of wrath. She uttered against her the cry of guilt. She struck her. Inanna was turned into a corpse, a piece of rotting meat, and was hung from a hook on the wall.
What was told Inanna seven times each time she got disrobed?
>'Quiet, Inanna, the ways of the underworld are perfect. They may not be questioned.'
This is the moment of Judgement, the personal Judgement day. This also correlates to Jesus being judged by the jewish priests and Pilate. What's important was about words of Jesus during the Judgement? He stayed silent during the trial. Where He repeats this as teaching in words?
Luke 12:10-12:
>And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven. And when they bring you unto the synagogues, and unto magistrates, and powers, take ye no thought how or what thing ye shall answer, or what ye shall say: For the Holy Ghost shall teach you in the same hour what ye ought to say.
This is not spoken of wordily death. This is it. It correlates a bit with Mary's "rest in silence", but actually doesn't because gnostic who wrote it failed to realize this one. Its the silence itself. You're not supposed to say anything to judges in the underworld, at least not by your own forced thought. If you didn't blaspheme the Holy Spirit, Spirit in you will teach you what to say in the same hour.
Because ways of the underworld are perfect, Inanna has to be quiet. Then of course as i already mentioned in previous thread Inanna arises from being given Food of Life and Water of Life by Enki, Which correlates with Revelations 22:1-2 (water of life and 12 manner of fruit), John 6:35 and John 6:54 (Jesus as bread of life and His blood - water/wine of life (as well as water turned wine, the new wine)) and Proverbs 9:5 (Wisdom having bread and wine):
>John 6:54: Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
>One of you will sprinkle the food of life on it The other will sprinkle the water of life. Inanna will arise.'
Before which Enki also advises in one line of his instructions to kurgarra and galatur to say:
>Erishkigal, the Queen of the Underworld, is moaning With the cries of a woman about to give birth.
>Revelation 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
It all loops back, religion is about retracing. And if you say anything unique to judges you might get lost in the labyrinth of Hades or be subjected to the judgement. Instead Christ's message was to rely on Holy Ghost. Because "synagogues, magistrates and powers" mentioned are Erishkigal, Annuna and judges of the underworld from Descent. Most importantly its hidden so well, one needs to use comparative logic to find it. But if people are guided by the Holy Spirit, they have no real reason to search for this. The judgement is same moment when ancients advised to reveal the code, but revealing it makes you a questioner of the underworld, even though you're in no position to do so. The Anubises opening the door of Duat are same that weight soul against feather of Ma`at.
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0fcf06 No.185985
>>185932
In a sense then this is saying that natural relationships transcend reason, that there is such a relationship or there isn't, no argument can change that.
A case then of the natural relationship with Eres/NIN the generative principle within the Earth, otherwise known as Ruha Qudosh/Holy Soirit, Suwala/Sapsu/Sheol, the Lady/Allani
Natural relationships can of course be rejected and denied but it is generally unhealthy and unwise to do so, those that are the closest tend to be the most rewarding
If one considers the Theology of Hathor of Dnederah, she is seen as the Sun Goddess of the Underworld that gives birth to Horus as the Sun God, thus when the Sun rises it translates from Feminine to Masculine, and is free to reason as he chooses, the Sun at Mid-day the opposite polarity to that of the Underworld, but it is always going to set.
https://escholarship.org/uc/item/8np4d4hf#page-200
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792e95 No.186014
>>185985
Well after analyzing greek source of the bible >>185176 i now understand there was never a change between the words "demon" and "daimon". All i have in front of me is polar opposition between Holy Spirit and all the daimoniac phenomena, to the point when Jesus could in fact be understood as transgressor of daimoniac rulership, which was in their hands up until His resurrection (theoretically Lucifer (inb4 its Innana) held whole hades under his control, and every "room" in hades accessible through celestial bouncer codes were rooms of daimoniac realms, isles of the blessed).
Its a simple Christian theology that satan/Lucifer is previous chief angel before fall held keys of hell itself, and now he doesn't because Jesus annihilated that rulership. And the only reason Jesus calls Himself a Morning Star is because He took back Lucifer's position of power.
Its difficult to say where Spirit of Jesus relates to "gods" of the babylon, if there's some kind of heavenly conflict, if such occurred. Only Enki/Ea really correlates to El and Canaan chief Father God, as well as God of Wisdom in Descent, known to have secret of life, water and fruit of it. Of who Solomon speaks as female persona and source of gnostic Sophia. As if Father Enki has a feminine counterpart, most probably secretly represented by Mother Mary.
It was not that the daimonia was associated with fallen angels after build up of a Church, it was always like this since gospels were written. So Socrates for example could be defined as possessed by fallen angel, and not by a God. That's why pagan religion was in need of total annihilation since opposition to Holy Spirit, since all pagan gods were tied to daimonian emanation, and therefore weren't gods. And jewish angels, as similar emanation, but from Father God, became opposition to daimonia, because they serve Holy Spirit. Matthew 25-30 is a fundament of heavenly dualism of Christians.
All daemonia is satan, i.e. "enemy" of Jesus, and Holy Spirit of who Jesus was possessed by. The whole process done by Christ was in fact spiritual revolution. I am sure neither jews nor pagans will appreciate such conclusions. Its not a question of calling everything negative satanic, its rather that Jesus Himself points out well that all previous order of the heathens and His contemporary jewish teachers was part of single united governmental structure, finding its core at daimonian possession that is reverse of which is Sacred, and produced only unsanctifying madness.
Simply speaking a whole lot of lesser spirits for thousands of years were larping as Gods, and were subdued by a Godman in flesh who's another role in sacrifice was in fact to lower Himself to a status of a human, when daimons were exaggerating their status as Gods. Again, another simple Christian theology.
That all said, jews most likely play a secondary role in all of this and true names of all those things may be kept secret (hence "I will write upon him my new name." from Rev 3:12, after all this God was changing names like gloves for a long time). Least some humans might know what was real reason of rebellion on both sides. Because we see it as battle of "good and evil", yet never a conflict in history of humanity was a simple one, nor it can be simple on heavens. Highest God might as well be subverting His own order to develop it through opposition, just like in forces of nature. And humanity may be caught up in a middle of a celestial quarrel of Gen 3:15 during gathering of souls.
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3b5a86 No.186052
>>186014
Pretty sure that it is men (serpents) themselves who have subverted God (feminine). It is pretty obvious, or it should be, that men do not belong here (on planet).
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792e95 No.186087
>>186052
Its almost like there's a deeper meaning of what you just spew out. Eve indeed may not be implied to be human.
Eve gets convinced by Lucifer, highest angel in command in front of God, that she'll become like God knowing good and evil, its impossible to resist charms and intelligence of a Lucifer, and most certainly not prior to fall. "serpent said unto the woman", addressing Eve -> "ye shall be as gods". One could think of potential multiplicities of humans even on this period, if one takes sumerian legend of 7 men and 7 women being initially created out of clay and slayed God. Slayed God of intelligence, Ilawela/Dionysus plays same role as fruit of knowledge. And Dionysus being sometimes called "most wise god", when a drunkard greek in his madness says that wine gives him intellect. In fact tree of knowledge also "was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise".
And this is where 7 women of Atra-Hasis epic, "tree to be desired to make one wise" and Dionysus as god of intelligence Ilawela meet all together in Proverbs of Solomon Chapter 9:1-5:
>Wisdom hath builded her house, she hath hewn out her seven pillars: She hath killed her beasts; she hath mingled her wine; she hath also furnished her table. She hath sent forth her maidens: she crieth upon the highest places of the city, Whoso is simple, let him turn in hither: as for him that wanteth understanding, she saith to him, Come, eat of my bread, and drink of the wine which I have mingled.
The Pleiades, also known as the Seven Sisters, are seven pillars of Wisdom and seven Eves, that gave wisdom to Adam, a human.
And those stars as pillars/candlesticks of Wisdom belong to God directly:
>Revelation 1:20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.
As one remembers, Church is symbolized by a woman "clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars". Where Mary plays part as main patron saint of all Churches, angels of seven churches play a similar role of seven sisters, as if Mary's retinue, since she's considered a second Eve, where Jesus is considered a second Adam. And if you doubt me, Gen 3:15 all the time used to be described as conflict of Church and Satan even though its attributed to Eve.
>men (serpents)
The only thing that unites Adam and Lucifer is Jesus. For Jesus is both second Adam and second Lucifer after taking away rule over death from His previous highest angel.
As far as human female faculties go, Paul is a bit too quick on judging the situation, i agree with that, where in 1 Timothy Chapter 2:14-15 the woman's transgression puts her into lower position, in reality its abiding in Genesis 3:16: "Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee". So its not that woman is made of sex because she has sinned first. But because God cursed her right after. Which by the way resulted in another calamity right after with angels desiring sex with earthly women, and since God Himself is addressed as enigma of multiplicity in Genesis, it might be a remnant of those stories akin to Zeuses/Inanna's exploits of relationship between gods and humans.
And mind you, if 7 stars of Pleiades as Eves, Venus as Lucifer, served first for calamity in consuming from Tree of Knowledge
This is how it goes now: 7 stars as Churches, Venus as Mary, serves as guides towards consummation from Tree of Life
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0fcf06 No.186113
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>>186014
The Book of Job which introduces Satan into the Bible was derived from earlier Babylonian and Sumerian texts, the cause of evil there is various wind/dust demons that emerge from beneath the mountain Kur, she-Demons that descend from the top of it, that form a whirlwind of dust and evil as it were.
In the Book of Job the Lord speaks from within the whirlwind, and is thus directly the cause in terms of the earlier analogy of the Mesopotamian text which was from Nippur and the cult of En-lil and Kur Mountain.
>People´s motivations change in a twinkling!
Starving, they become like corpses, Full, they would rival their gods. In good times, they speak of scaling heaven, When it goes badly, they complain of going down to hell.I have pondered these things; I have made no sense of them. But as for me, in despair a whirlwind is driving me!
>An evil vapor has blown against me from the ends of the earth,Head pain has surged upon me from the breast of hell, A malignant spectre has come forth from its hidden depth, A relentless ghost came out of its dwelling place.
A she-demon came down from the mountain
https://www.ancient.eu/article/226/the-ludlul-bel-nimeqi---not-merely-a-babylonian-jo/#:~:text=The%20Ludlul%2DBel%2DNimeqi%20is,praise%20the%20Lord%20of%20Wisdom%22.
http://www.gatewaystobabylon.com/myths/texts/life/righteousufferer.htm
>Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
>Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge? Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me. Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
https://biblehub.com/kjv/job/38.htm
The moral of the story, there isn't one, but Demons are just wind and dust.
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52f80f No.186125
>>186113
>In the Book of Job the Lord speaks from within the whirlwind
>the cause of evil there is various wind/dust demons
In greek roots of NT and Spirit as Pneuma, said Pneuma played big deal in the cult of Apollo, hence there were prophets in Delphi. Apollo: The Wind, the Spirit, and the God : Four Studies by Karl Kerenyi >>159158 shed some light on this, especially said Spirit as Spirit of prophecy. It especially goes deep in comparing with the bible.
As far as differentiation between "πνευματος ακαθαρτου" (Foul Spirit) and "αγιον πνευμα" (Holy Ghost) are both pneuma, but not the same pneuma. Or simply speaking all spirits are of incorporeal nature, yet only One is αγιον. All that is not Hagion is of Daimonia. Mind you that ἅγιον (Hagion) is "neuter" term (male is Hagios, female is Hagia), while δαιμονια (Daimonia) is feminine term used for "devils".
ακάθαρτος (akáthartos) - dirty, unclean, filthy, impure
δαιμόνιος (daimónios) - strange, extraordinary, inscrutable, heaven-sent, divine, miraculous, marvelous, superhuman, godlike
δαίμων (daímōn) - god (as interchangeable word with theos), goddess, divine power, deity, guardian spirit, fate, destiny, fortune
ἅγιος (hágios) - devoted to the gods, sacred, holy, pious, pure
When Jesus expels devils He says in Luke 11:20: ει δε εν δακτυλω θεου εκβαλλω τα δαιμονια αρα εφθασεν εφ υμας η βασιλεια του θεου (But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.)
δακτυλω θεου here is epithet to Holy Spirit as "God's Finger". Also this epithet is repeated to law written on two original tables that Moses ended up smashing the first time (Exodus 31:18, Deuteronomy 9:10), and also repeated by magicians of Pharaoh in Exodus 8:19. Its important to return to Holy Spirit as finger of God in case of Jesus also writing on the ground when pharisees condemned a woman in John 8:6, 8:8. Its a necessary involvement of God within one's own psyche.
So if daemonia is wind of fate, then Pneuma Hagion is wind of intellectual rewriting of fate by God. So you see, when Holy Spirit expels demons or heals the sick through Jesus, what actually is happening is not some fancy winged horned devil flies off somewhere in fear, but intelligence/history being rewritten, or reality as it is. Hence i believe that Jesus is transgressor against daemonia, because God shapes fate as He has mastery over Time and Reality itself. While daemonia as greek "Fates" had only limited ability for prophecy and cannot actually do it in a broken reality by Jesus, i.e. timeline affected by finger of God.
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0fcf06 No.186126
>>186125
There's something of an issue with conflating physical malaise with the spiritual, though one does tend to follow the other, in that En-lil could simply re-direct physical complaints towards En-ki.
In the Babylonian version with Marduk that option isn't there as he has assimilated both traditions, and thus physical suffering is assumed to have a spiritual basis also, and the Book of Job unsatisfactorily addresses the same issue.
In the Sumerian text A man and his god this only seems concerned with spiritual evil against the sufferer, directed malice, and this as usual is compared to the Southern wind, the Sutean;
>Lamentation sweeps over me as if it were a southerly wind-storm
>A man of deceit has overwhelmed me like the south wind and prostrated me before him.
https://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/section5/tr524.htm
There was the association of Lamastu with the Sutean and the Southern wind, the natural counter being Nin-lil and the Northern wind.
Jesus like Marduk was expected to counter physical-spiritual malaise which in my opinion can only lead to unrealistic expectations in terms of miracle healing, the cult of Asar which was a primary aspect of Marduk had concern with the shamanic tradition of mind-body relationship to substances, but the medicinal and healing side of things was a different aspect of the Pantheon, the witch doctor cannot cure all complaints, though he can change your perspective.
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86f56a No.186142
>>186126
>Jesus like Marduk was expected to counter physical-spiritual malaise which in my opinion can only lead to unrealistic expectations in terms of miracle healing
Don't forget that when Jesus heals/resurrects he makes people "whole", its a repeated saying in the bible. And not by them, but by their faith - πιστις (pistis). As in "thy faith hath made thee whole.", or "Fear not: believe only, and she shall be made whole". In fact healing was only possible because of both benevolence of Pneuma Hagion and Pistis of the individual Psyche. Hence its done by Holy Spirit, belief in powers of Holy Spirit, makes Holy Spirit as finger of God, the Potter's hand, touch the believer. And that's where rewrite of fate/daimon happens on physical-spiritual level.
Or simply speaking spiritual affects physical in unity of God and man, constituting wholeness, and that's real divine power, transgressive miracle against ruler of this world and its daimonia. Sane man would say for God who made this world no miracle is really a miracle, but knowing that "prince of this world" is judged in John 16:11, that means contemporary human fate is still in hands of Lucifer, and Jesus gone against daimonia of this worldly order.
So for a time being there's still opposition.
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3b5a86 No.186162
>>186113
I might have listened to this song 1,000 times over the years off and on. But never once did I look at it like that. Interesting.
Give me release (though I swear these are not the words of this line, if you listen rather than read; "INRI release" is what she sings, go back and listen)
Witness me
I am outside
Give me peace
Heaven holds a sense of wonder
And I wanted to believe that I'd get caught up
When the rage in me subsides
Passion
Chokes the flower
Until she cries no more
Possessing all the beauty
Hungry still for more
Heaven holds a sense of wonder
And I wanted to believe that I'd get caught up
When the rage in me subsides
I can't help this longing
Comfort me, I can't hold it all in
If you won't let me
Heaven holds a sense of wonder
And I wanted to believe that I'd get caught up
When the rage in me subsides
In this white wave
I am sinking
In this silence
In this white wave
In this silence I believe
In this white wave
I am sinking
In this silence
In this white wave
In this silence I believe
I have seen you
In this white wave
You are silent
You are breathing
In this white wave I believe
>>186087
It was not 'wrong' for Eve to receive knowledge from Lucifer (I would go so far as to say that this was the whole fucking purpose of the entire endeavor; to unite the two Eve and God into one flesh, 'as God' so that ALL living things could be remediated to Heaven, where they belong). I would like to throw that kike Paul's words back in your face…but I can't be bothered to look them up and get the quote.
It was only wrong for her to share knowledge with Adam. God does not find fault with Eve, but rather with Lucifer. God never instructed Eve to not eat of it because he doesn't punish her for disobedience to his word the same way he punishes Adam for disobedience to his word…God is not inconsistent so He never told her not to eat of it. If God had intended that Eve know as well, he would have told them both, but he didn't because he doesn't punish her but only punishes Adam for his disobedience.
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f00a9d No.186168
>>186162
>It was not 'wrong' for Eve to receive knowledge from Lucifer
Yes, at the very basics fall had to happen for salvation to be produced. No glory to light without darkness, and vice versa. Its a timely event. But jews needed their doctrine of original sin just like orphic cultists.
>to unite the two Eve and God into one flesh
First of all in jewish doctrines Lord of Hosts is a sum of all angels. That means fallen too, since even supposedly malevolent/disorderly phenomena is still part god, just like any sinful man, but not necessary respectful of that. At height of Lucifer's powers and before cutting him off like a limb he's still doing what Adonai thought to do as a hivemind.
Second its also point of weaving of Jesus in womb of Mary. Which is also unity of God and second Eve in one flesh, for Mary becoming temple of God akin to canaanite consort of Yahweh - Asherah, who also fits as temple/church by etymology of Her name >>179815
It gets really complicated at Luke's gospel where Gabriel plays a role of impregnator with the "Word" to ear of the Virgin, and acts as a new medium Angel after Lucifer's conduct of fall. And Word, the Son, is Tree of Life bearing "twelve manner of fruits" as well as waters below it. Flesh and blood of Jesus. This is also all hidden with similarities to calamity of Sons of God marrying earthly women, especially at high point of marriage of Jesus and the Church, and Mary being spouse of Holy Spirit.
>he doesn't punish her for disobedience to his word the same way he punishes Adam for disobedience to his word
One may view Adam being our "ape", an animal body. And Eve a Psyche. Gen 3:17 "And unto Adam he said…" 3:19 "for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return". It doesn't say same to Eve who in "sorrow brings forth children" like the Church of Revelations.
Also you are right in a way that its not really noticeable at first, but God of Genesis told a commandment to Adam to not eat from tree of knowledge prior to creating Eve. So Eve supposedly didn't even knew. And sorrows of Eve's punishment are temporary, while Adam's return to dust is permanent. So its certainly not a tale of genealogy.
Next at 3:22-24 it gets even weirder. "the man is become as one of us" says God in multiplicity. "The Man" here is hebrew Adam. "Lord God sent him forth", and then at 24 "So he drove out the man" (again Adam) "and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life."
Despite Gustave Dore drawing "Adam and Eve" leaving Eden, only Adam actually left. The corporeal humanity.
Reminder that the jews believe they are the only Adam, and we're the rest are goyim/cattle. And yet its clearly stated that Adam is perishable part of humanity. So i don't know what they are proud of. Christian theologians who introduced Mary worship certainly noticed that. And another genealogical female for population growth is implied in 1:27, made prior to the one made of rib, and that's probably another part of Adam as expelled corporeal humanity in general.
So the "Mother of all Living" (Gen 3:20) produces children unto Eden:
>Luke 20:36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
>Luke 20:38 For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.
Who ultimately finds completion in Mother Mary as second Eve. There's certain transportation of human psyche into imperishable self when it becomes one, marries to spiritual counterpart. Most likely Angelic, according to Matthew 18:10: "Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven."
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0fcf06 No.186197
>>186162
I don't agree with those lyrics either, the entire point i posted it was because;
In this whirlwind
I am sinking
In this silence
In this whirlwind
In this silence I believe
https://www.nomorelyrics.net/delerium-lyrics/288181-silence-lyrics.html
>>186142
Like i said that owes a great deal to the cult of Marduk and combining Enki with Enlil, though the actual healing Goddess was directly descended from Anu and Urash, Heaven and Earth.
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91a543 No.186284
Man i feel dumb now. For all the "gnostic" wisdom i never bothered to translate the word "prince" as archon (αρχοντων). So now there's no difference at all from daemonia, archons, satan and devils. Its all the same thing. Archons usually a "gnostic term", yet its applied in greek as "prince". So its real meaning is already in the bible.
Simple form ἄρχων is simply "ruler"
αρχοντων (archónton) translated as prince
άρχοντας - overlord, nobleman, ruler, magistrate, rich man, magnate
Paul in fact addresses perfect Sophia against wordily archons:
1st Corinthians 2:6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
1st Corinthians 2:8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
In fact the very word "Deacon" is opposite of Archon, in Matthew 20:25-28. Where Jesus criticizes "princes of Gentiles (ethnón)" for ruling over (οι αρχοντες των εθνων), and suggests greater among christians becoming deacons, as in not to be ministered unto, but to minister. This is also opposition to daemonian/archonic rulership.
And in John 12:31, John 14:30, John 16:11 when Jesus talks about "prince of this world" he speaks of "ο αρχων του κοσμου". Archon of Cosmos.
Greek language gives completely different feeling to all of this. The word "knowledge" as gnostic (as well as epignosis, as correct knowledge) also insanely overused in letters, but aside of Pauline ones, also in 2 Peter 8 times (in the knowledge, through knowledge, and to virtue knowledge and so on). All that focus on knowledge/gnosis is because Pauline method is that faith comes from hearing of the Word (Romans 10:17), hence salvation without hearing and knowing is impossible.
Been reading "Paradise Reconsidered" about sethians, and it had good paragraph on paul in Sophia, Eve and Gnosis chapter:
>In fact, Paul seems to be opposing and modifying these kinds of Jewish Wisdom speculations in Corinth. His opponents claim wisdom (1 Cor 2:1,4; 3:18; 4:10), but Paul claims they have not known God in their wisdom (1:21). Paul associates their human wisdom with this world and its doomed rulers (ἄρχων) (2:6), but proclaims himself a hidden wisdom of God (2:7). For the opponents, the crucified Christ is foolishness (1:17–2:8), whereas for Paul, he is the wisdom of God and the way to salvation (1:18,24). For the opponents, gnosis is knowledge that there is only one God, and that the idols do not exist in reality (8:4). For Paul, gnosis is knowledge that there is one God (Father), one Lord (Christ), and that the idols do exist and are called gods, although they are not really divine (8:4–6). These idols may even be the doomed archons of this aeon Paul mentions earlier (2:6). According to Paul, even though “everyone has gnosis” (8:1), not everyone has the true and salvific gnosis of Father, Christ and the nature of the idols (8:7). In other words, Paul has broadened and explicitly Christianized the opponents’ Philo-like speculations on wisdom and gnosis.9 Whereas Philo apparently did not distinguish between the spiritual and psychic classes of humanity,10 both Paul and the Corinthians seem to do this, in their respective ways, identifying higher religious status with spirit (πνεῦμα) and the spiritual (πνευματικός) (2:12–15; 3:1), as well as with wisdom and salvific gnosis. Paul also criticizes the opponents for calling themselves “wise” (σοφός, 3:18; φρόνιμος, 4:10) and “kings” (βασιλεύω, 4:8). As will be suggested, the self-designation, “kingless generation,” found in several Ophite texts, may derive from Paul’s criticism of his opponents as kings. It will also be seen that Wisdom soteriology similar to what is found in Philo, and what Paul seems to oppose in 1 Cor, is found in the Ophite texts, although it often occurs in an explicitly Christianized form. It is also expressed in an extremely mythological fashion, and projected onto the paradise story of Genesis.
I also have a feeling resistance to archons has something to do with jewish proto-anarchism mentioned by anon in previous thread. But unlike anarchism, Christ's hierarchy goes from bottom to top from Christ putting Himself in the lowest position possible first as deacon/servant (υιος του ανθρωπου ουκ ηλθεν διακονηθηναι αλλα διακονησαι), but also as Lord and priest in rank of Melchizedek. So its indeed an old fashioned all out war between Pneuma Hagion Deacons (Servants of Holy Spirit) against daemonic archons (demon princes), who are satan/enemy. And you can deny it for whatever non-dual/beyond good and evil philosophy you want, its will remain as a thought of the bible.
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e373fe No.186295
>>186284
>jewish proto-anarchism
It doesn't have 'something' to do with it. It is the whole point of the entire religion.
As I have pointed out MANY TIMES here and elsewhere, the whole point of the Hebrew faith (which has been horribly corrupted by the 'jews') is that God alone is your ruler and that no one else stands in-between you and God. It was an attempt to recreate the conditions in the Garden of Eden.
But humanity has, does and always will (outside of a fractional percent of us) hate God, hate Freedom, and hate responsibility. It is not 'their fault', even Hitler recognized what had happened wrong, they are dysgenically bred to slavery. Now more than ever…and with the 'vaccine' freewill dies forever.
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69bac7 No.186309
>>186295
>God alone is your ruler and that no one else stands in-between you and God
>It was an attempt to recreate the conditions in the Garden of Eden.
Alright, that's an understandable viewpoint.
>and with the 'vaccine' freewill dies forever.
How to ruin a decent message: bring in vaccines into it. Because of conspiracies like this i am going to let them stick the needle as soon as its going to be available just to see if its actually going to fuck with my brains. In fact i did tried to remove "god" from my mind, but couldn't, only managed to stay atheist for like a day.
I have nothing to lose, going to play with fire. Except nothing is going to happen and everything in this world is a trivial affair with no consequences. Its not going to fuck with anyone's free will.
People like you are running around screaming of fire, when there is none, just because of existential crisis you're desperate for "something" to happen, since this ugly cardboard world of concrete walls feels utterly soulless nowadays, so you make an elephant out of nothing. In fact the very idea of opposition to God makes you feel secure in your beliefs, hence figure of satan is so commendable, its fundamental in knowing health from illness in human and suprahuman affairs. When actual shit happens its not going to be some trivial flu cure.
But instead you're stuck in a world of office hallways, IT technology, bureaucracy and economic affairs with meatsack people running from scanner to computer with graphs and papers, living their pitiful life how they can. They don't even go to that fancy place called space anymore, it doesn't make mammon numerals go up, because there's fucking nothing to exploit in it.
Once conspiracies, extremism and uncertainty with this kind of life go overboard, governments are going to invent a god-like punishing and rewarding artificial intelligence to control people and their wallet because it will be the only solution to contain growing population with its diverse opinions and tendency for self harm out of high expectations of human life. And Christians literally wrote in revelations in what fashion to do it (Rev 13:15-17), can't go against that kind of predictive programming.
But hey, glad Huxley also wrote how to trivialize world with pop culture, didn't he? So no one knows even the basics of religion they preach and receive, because picking up few books is too much of a chore after hard long day of work in the office.
People are insane because all the work is vanity. Even nationalism keeps being a thing only because your race is the last thing to hold onto, that would be worth fighting for to bring visible result.
And visible beautiful result of your work makes you sleep at peace, even after your death. Hence idolatry, occult, public rituals are still a thing among the crowd, they want the experience to calm them down, not reason. For they are sick of publicly acceptable description of reason that gave them such boring sense of reality. And that's our sad state of affairs. All people search for opposition to find validity in their lives, and conspiritards like yourself who invent lies about virus cure have the most pathetic means of creating such opposition.
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e373fe No.186327
>>186309
Good riddance.
Even a typical moron knows that it is a gene drive.
'Conspiracy' is just another word for a creative imagination. Something you will never possess so it hardly matters if you resign yourself to total death because the Spark of God died in you a long time ago.
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9f4d02 No.186493
>>184219
>I posted a lot of quotes and links to papers from this author last thread
So i clearly see a need to compile a list of historical books on juden-scot freemasonry and rosicrucianism. Its a good subject to view in devilish details to understand how those cults affected christian europe from within. Since it seems to be source of all misery and freedom of current kike power. Jew surely repaid for tolerating them and trusting them in society of renaissance. The more i read on them, the more jaded i become against their teaching.
From Marsha Keith Schuchard:
Emanuel Swedenborg, Secret Agent on Earth and in Heaven: Jacobites, Jews and Freemasons in Early Modern Sweden
https://1lib.eu/book/1259443/52f963
Restoring the Temple of Vision: Cabalistic Freemasonry and Stuart Culture
https://1lib.eu/book/2457465/2d76d8
Freemasonry, Secret Societies, and the Continuity of the Occult Traditions in English Literature
https://1lib.eu/book/2469080/97c95e
From Frances Yates:
The Rosicrucian Enlightenment
https://1lib.eu/book/612478/a34d73
The Occult Philosophy in the Elizabethan Age
https://1lib.eu/book/612477/af9c7e
Giordano Bruno and the Hermetic Tradition
https://1lib.eu/book/814622/46e328
Book on Catholic position on Giordano Bruno:
https://1lib.eu/book/694848/2aa1c6
Rose Cross over the Baltic: The Spread of Rosicrucianism in Northern Europe by Susanna Åkerman
https://1lib.eu/book/2457611/043f94
Christopher McIntosh:
The Rosicrucians: The History, Mythology, and Rituals of an Esoteric Order
https://1lib.eu/book/2457735/fb15d6
The Rosicrucian Enlightenment Revisited
https://1lib.eu/book/2484370/43823b
The Rose Cross and the Age of Reason: Eighteenth-Century Rosicrucianism in Central Europe and Its Relationship to the Enlightenment
https://1lib.eu/book/2457690/0036f3
Rosy Cross Unveiled: The History, Mythology and Rituals of an Occult Order
https://1lib.eu/book/768178/86dada
Encyclopedia of Freemasonry and its kindred sciences v1&v2 combined:
https://1lib.eu/book/5000494/7d9ad3
British Freemasonry, 1717–1813, Volume 1: Institutions
https://1lib.eu/book/2832775/ca8338
British Freemasonry, 1717–1813, Volume 2: Rituals I – English, Irish and Scottish Craft Rituals
https://1lib.eu/book/2832880/3e7151
British Freemasonry, 1717–1813, Volume 3: Rituals II, Harodim Material and Higher Degrees
https://1lib.eu/book/2843872/ecdd3c
British Freemasonry, 1717–1813, Volume 4: Debates
https://1lib.eu/book/2832354/40bae0
British Freemasonry, 1717–1813, Volume 5: Representations
https://1lib.eu/book/2843879/4aa44e
Builders of empire : freemasons and british imperialism, 1717-1927
https://1lib.eu/book/2937365/e46c56
The Politics of Sociability: Freemasonry and German Civil Society, 1840-1918
https://1lib.eu/book/1125480/bd51b2
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0fcf06 No.186505
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c0ed4b No.186523
>>186505
its by a (((ms hirschmann))) who i cant find any informatio on other than i know shes jewish, and in the preface she says this book will anger antisemites because everything scots ever did was actually jews. do you even read this shit or just post it?
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c0ed4b No.186528
>>186505
"Into this scholarly and historical breach arrive two researchers with purportedly
Scottish ancestry and a thesis that seems, on the face of it, absurd: Scotland was Jewish. This assertion not only flies in the face of “received history (what little of it there is), but also assaults two longstanding cultural stereotypes of what Scots are like and what
Jews are like. In the popular imagination, Scots are large, red- or blond-haired persons of fierce demeanor, who wear plaid wool kilts, brandish swords and war axes, drink
copious amounts of ale and whiskey, and eagerly seek out forums in which to exhibit
their prowess as warriors. They are unschooled, wild marauders, loyal to clan, kith, and
kin. Jews, on the other hand, are seen commonly as originating in shtetls in Eastern
6 When Scotland Was Jewish Europe, timid, bookish, dark-haired, clad in dark apparel, and usually hunkered down
over ancient Hebrew manuscripts. Except for the juxtaposition of, let us say, Eskimos and Parisians, it is hard to conjure up two more opposite ethnic stereotypes.3 So why are we proposing that many of Scotland’s people were Jewish? For the simple reason that is true. In the chapters that follow, we present evidence from several empirical sources— DNA, public records, anthropological observations, architecture, archeological excavations, family and clan genealogical records, censuses, cemetery
inscriptions, burgess and guild membership rolls, ethnographic reports, and synagogue membership rolls. These document the seemingly incredible claim that Scotland was, and
remains, a country populated largely by persons of Jewish descent. The evidence presented does not suggest some ancient Jewish visitation based on a
“lost tribes” theory, in other words, that a Jewish tribe dispersed from Judea/Palestine in antiquity and somehow wandered its way to Scotland, morphing over time into a population of Gaelic warriors. No; our argument is grounded upon documented historical migrations into Scotland from various European countries, primarily France, the Low
Countries, Hungary, and Germany. These migrants, we propose, were persons of Jewish
ethnicity whose descendants now comprise the majority of the present population of
Scotland. Further, we also argue that the greater part of the estimated 4 million Scots and Scots-Irish who immigrated to the New World were drawn from this same ethnic
ancestry."
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c0ed4b No.186529
>>186528
cont.
Our story begins with an ethnic group to which both authors belong. The Melungeons are a people who have been dwelling in the Appalachian Mountains of the southeastern United States for between 300 and 500 years. Their origins have been the subject of intense speculation for at least three centuries (Ball 1984; Bible 1975; Elder 1999; Gallegos 1997, 1998; Mira 1998).4 Typically, they are described as having dark skin, black or dark-brown straight hair, brown or blue eyes and European features (Ball 1984; Bible
1975). A popular culture book written by a self-identifying Melungeon (N. B. Kennedy
1996) renewed interest in investigation of the group’s origins and stimulated an abundance of scholarly research. A detailed biogenetics study undertaken by the present authors supported what Kennedy had earlier proposed: The Melungeons were, in large
part, a Sephardic Jewish and Moorish community that began as early as 1540 with the De Soto Expedition to the southeastern United States (Hirschman 2005).
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0fcf06 No.186534
>>186523
Yes it's written by Appalachian Scots-Irish that suspect they are jews and pleased at the idea, the same could be said for all the old Democrat families of the South, that's the issue and the basis of Globohomo, and that's what we are investigating, the basis of that claim.
Marsha Schuchard has very good insights on the origin of the juden-Scot, i expect she is one, that doesn't invalidate the research, in fact it makes it more user friendly and less controversial, it's expected that posters here understand the value of such sources.
It's not easy to establish though how many were actual jews and how many identified for religious and socio-economic reasons, given the ruling class and Masonic groups elevated jewish status
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e373fe No.186554
>>186529
Melungeons are nigger mongrels (like jews) but that doesn't mean that Scots (Gaelic/Celtic) are jews. None of Western Europeans have any of the genetics of the niggers like the jews/med/north african people do.
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bee943 No.186719
>>186295
>It was an attempt to recreate the conditions in the Garden of Eden.
So i suspect, John the Baptist, and Mary Magdalene (whose by many scholars were united into all Marys), were trying to recreate in themselves Adam and Eve, to bring forth Tree of Life instead of Tree of Knowledge.
So Mary ate from tree of Life first, by becoming its temple, by giving Him birth.
John however baptized Jesus and ate from tree second.
Therefore Jesus is symbolic as in Tree of Life against the Fallen Adam and Even.
Because there were many who accused John and Magdalene on copying Indian Gymnosophists that Alexander experienced a meeting with during his years of conquest.
But if you're right, what they instead did through their ascetism, they were actually copying conditions in Eden.
That means anyone who thought among Freemasons/false Templars that John the Baptist is the real messiah were misguided because they rejected the "Tree" one was speaking of.
There's also big deal in three covenants established by God:
1. Covenant with Noah, which symbolized by Ark/Crescent, Dow (that became personalized goddess of harlots, Inanna/Aphrodite), rainbow
2. The Jews and Jewish prophets that got slain by jews themselves, their covenant with two angels bowing in conjoinment of wings to tomb-like covenant box
3. Church (two angels in of Tomb of Christ), Christian teaching of salvation related to holding keys of the church as apostolic succession.
Therefore there were three covenants with humanity/adam place jews themselves somewhere in the middle, as i already suggested. Pagan religion where instead of Mary/Eve an Inanna/Isis/Freyja/Aphrodite whore (which is replaced by blessed Virgin Mary) is put was always a corruption of first covenant, when Lucifer/Serpent himself put himself as if a god, while meanwhile second covenant with jews was also getting corrupted by same entity (logically speaking). So third one was made by Holy Spirit in order to save even sinners who go against covenant, but able to repent.
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6ad86e No.187067
>>186719
>There's also big deal in three covenants established by God:
Do you think there will be a fourth?
It seems like things are too far gone for there to be a fourth. The 'angelic' hierarchical systems are destroying the image of God (choice/freewill) as it is reflected in mankind as fast as they can. Their 'Hierarchy' is 'safety/death' but it is also the end of Creation. I am sure that everyone knows and understands this at this point but at the same time; I can't figure out where we go from here (at least, not yet).
I know I want an end of Hierarchy (rigid systems/death) so that we can come to know God. IDK…many people claim that things are going to wrap things up on the 21st of December for good…but if Hierarchy ('safety'/death) wins then there is no point to continuing with the Creation in any form because that would be living while dead (hierarchy), eternally. It would also actually destroy anything of value in humanity…I mean, even if you saw humanity as just a farmed product, removing the creation from it will cause it to become worthless.
>3 covenants
Technically there was always 3 'riders' in the apocalypse (revealing) and the fourth was just death and Hell, not actually an era but we have to be very careful in assessing who messages are actually directed at in religious scripts, because oftentimes they are not directed to mankind at all, but rather to the rebellious angels who defied God and tried to destroy Creation.
Boy am I tired out…talk about 'wearing down the saints'…why are things always so frigging confusing at the end of these cycles? I mean it is a total mess/epic shitstorm!
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6ad86e No.187074
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c09f51 No.187087
>>187067
>Do you think there will be a fourth?
Covenants are symbolized by God changing His name. Since revelations 3:12 it stuck at "I will write upon him my new name".
So that means fourth covenant is either post millennium or after death by christian lore, which should only be taken within catholic context unless misunderstood.
I actually thought my post got deleted, but i guess 8kun is glitching as always.
>>162448
>(Y [hand] HVH [Havah/Eve; the Hand Who Makes Life]; the mother of the Living)
I wonder if its a coincidence that HVH (הֹוָה) and EVE (חַוָּה) both look like nin under english language:
But anyway Havah is not Chavah, but they are incredibly similar for sure, especially in context of Chavah being epithet of Asherah in Canaanite pagan religion.
15 Ave Maria upon catholic Rosary reminded me of 15 as number of Inanna, and Ave is just reverse Eva as well as Evangelion being not just angelic message, but also message of the gospel as in Eve/ευα in ευαγγελιον, which is a bigger question where "Angelion" beings and where ευα ends.
And the fact that LeNin (reading backwards Nin-El) of russian commie mummified corpse of communist leader, is in fact praise by names "he was, he is, and he will be" in tetragrammaton style, which makes me wonder if commie zigurrat wasn't just conducted by "egyptian" tradition, but heavily borrowed jewish one.
This play is far more complicated than you would think.
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6ad86e No.187093
>>187087
>But anyway Havah is not Chavah
Well, no, they are not the same in the sense that one is living and one is dead either. To be here is to be dead, as we all died that day in the garden. The mother of the Living is different than the mother of the dead, I suppose.
>LeNin.
Timely anon, as I just got thrown off another website for pointing out (among other things) what happened in Leningrad (the jewish slaughter of 3/4 of the city)…God, you know sometimes I get angry with you and at other times I think you are so interesting. You are kind of like the annoying (but very perceptive uncle who gets drunk at Christmas parties).
ion vs eon
Angel Ion vs Angel Eon…and I know they are not exactly the same but like I have said before, we didn't have 'standardized spelling up until 300ish years ago, so people could and did spell things however they wanted. The Hierarchy is still trying to suffocate life in anyway they can…spelling only being one small part of that overall agenda.
ATOM/ADAM; Ion (pronounced “eye-awn”) is a noun. It’s a science word found in physics and chemistry. It means one or more atoms containing a positive or negative charge; this charge is based on a gain or loss of electrons.
AGE; Eon (pronounced “eee-awn”) is a noun. It means one billion years in astronomy. It can also be used more generally to mean many years, many centuries, or eras of time.
At a certain point people have to really TRY and work hard not to notice the similarities.
No your post didn't get deleted; I think they have really had to tighten up the comment review process due to the CP spammers who are trying their best to take the sight down so that we are silenced forever. I guess they have till the 21st to 'work their magic' and then I heard that most peoples tickets get punched; either way, I doubt after that that this site will stay up anyway.
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9f4d02 No.187094
>>187093
>AGE; Eon (pronounced “eee-awn”) is a noun. It means one billion years in astronomy. It can also be used more generally to mean many years, many centuries, or eras of time.
If it helps, in Bible Aeon (αἰών) is only used for "for ever and ever" (εις τους αιωνας των αιωνων), which is pretty popular saying repeated many times exactly with those words, as in description of total eternity. As in "for aeon of aeons". Its not used for specific limited time, and only for describing eternity/indefinite period of time.
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6ad86e No.187100
>>187094
>Its not used for specific limited time, and only for describing eternity/indefinite period of time.
See, that is all part (at the same time) of the frightening angelic hierarchy that I find so worrisome when you think about it. You would literally have to become rigidly fixed, like angelic beings in order to have any sort of place in an Aeon. Meaning that freedom would be totally gone forever and that you would be 'fixed' forever without growth or change…aka you would essentially be dead without being dead.
Is that what you are aiming for? Is that what you thought you wanted?
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ae8be0 No.187107
>>187100
If you really want serious answer on those questions, just not ending up worshiping false god and not ending up in fiery gehenna as a consequence of betrayal of a real God would be nice enough. As long as i get to go against the kikes and their magician heretics.
>freedom would be totally gone forever
In a way yes, your ego consciousness tied to individual body, once dead and joined the Tree of Life as a process of submission to the Most High, dies along with its freedom when becoming a total subjected branch of distribution of Holy Spirit.
Rev 22:3-5:
>And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him: And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads. And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.
Leviticus 26:12
>And I will walk among you, and will be your God, and ye shall be my people.
It always implied eventual subjugation of higher spiritual self of humanity to God. Intellectually and emotionally within the consciousness remaining after death and resurrection.
It also may be a thing that higher soul leaves the body prior to body losing its own consciousness, which correlates with egyptian division of soul into fragments ka/ba. There's huge implification that a man focused on his bodily self dies with his bodily self, a man switching his consciousness on a higher self, goes along with consciousness of a higher self. But i take those words more metaphorically than others:
Like 17:32-36
>Remember Lot’s wife. Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Matthew 27:46
>And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
What i gather from those passages it may be a case of actually every human being two consciousnesses, as in perishable Adam consciousness and higher Eve consciousness. And with which he goes he goes. Not because of some subjective psychological/archetypical bullshit, but because a man may leave his body prior to death of a brain at appointed hour:
Romans 12:2
>And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
1 Corinthians 15:51-53
>Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
Also freedom may be differentiation between Good and Evil, fruit of knowledge, but not fruit of immortality. Hence "freedom" is taken away at achievement of total connection to higher self consciousness, or your spiritual copy/memory inside God. Hence once you get into Pneuma Hagion and become like "God's Angels" in heaven, just like angels you'll be part of the God's hivemind of angels.
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6ad86e No.187123
>>187107
Ok, but has it occurred to you that those instructions are not for human beings, but rather for the Fallen? One of these groups do not belong here. If you were to take place in the angelic hierarchy, wouldn't you, by nature, become one with the jews you are wanting to engage in battle?
Or do you think that Western Europeans are the Fallen (because I will admit that it is possible since we are the people that God loves best). That couldn't be more obvious.
I hope that my questions are tolerable as I am only questioning you to refine my own position and understanding in this circumstance and not as a challenge to your faith or position.
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b23d17 No.187147
>>187123
>If you were to take place in the angelic hierarchy, wouldn't you, by nature, become one with the jews you are wanting to engage in battle?
Anon, isn't that's the whole dilemma of Christianity?
And where for older Christianity this wasn't a question, for "jews" of ours are false jews (Revelation 2:9), killers of prophets (Luke 13:34), killers of Christ (Luke 23:21) and satanic synagogue (Revelation 3:9), for contemporary christianity that tries to larp itself out as if without jews it would never happen is what drives majority of non-christians on /pol/ nuts. For all we know they are blasphemers and wanted to murder Christians no less than pagan roman Caesars, nowadays they satisfy themselves in abusing the subverted religion, because jew adapted to kill with root of all evil - money, rather than stones, pebbles of David.
Does battling synagogue of satan, Christ Himself somehow becomes part of it? No. They themselves do not render themselves to Christ almost as if its natural for them not to render because of repulsion. Both Jews and Gentiles are equal in sin (Romans 3:9-10), and that means equally influenced by archon of kosmos, Lucifer, the devil. In fact the dramatic play here is that supposedly chosen people became most loyal to satan, since they were easy to whore themselves out for something as pathetic as mammon.
As for the jews as masses of them, Jesus called them wicked and adulterous generation (Matthew 16:4), faithless and perverse generation (Matthew 17:17), heart hardened people (Matthew 19:8), serpents, generation of vipers (Matthew 23:33). And what He really means in context that this generation won't pass before coming of Son of man is that those adulterous vipers found since crucifixion of Christ aren't meant to disappear before Apocalypse, harlotry of Jerusalem from Ezekiel 16 needs to show its full potential.
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6ad86e No.187170
>>187147
>Both Jews and Gentiles are equal in sin (Romans 3:9-10
Ahhhhh no. That is not biblical anon. There is only one race that is culpable and one that is cursed above and before all others. And that is not us. God doesn't love what is abominable and he plainly says many times that the jews are an abomination and that they are divorced (permanently) from God for their abominable behavior. That means that they are most definitely to blame for everything that happened here and they are accursed by God for the terrible crimes they have done here to complete dissolution forever as a corrupted and incompatible form of life. In no way should you try to correlate that abomination with us or our people, unless you would like to be punished like they will be punished. I am going to skip that one. If this wasn't true then Enoch, an actual righteous man, would be a liar and he was not a liar.
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0fcf06 No.187228
>>187094
There was the yearly rebirth of Aeon in terms of the eternal and also the Aeon of the Zodiacal Ages which correlated to the Christian Epiphany
This correlated to the Winter Solstice and before the Gregorian calendar change correlated to 18th January, as still celebrated in sections of the Russian/Armenian/Ethiopian churches, thus an entire month or zodiac sign has shifted from that date to the present of the Winter Solstice, thus that the birth date of the previous Aeon.
Aeon was an aspect of Dushara, who could also be considered as the Lord of the Stonemasons, at the rock cut city of Petra, one of his motifs could be seen as the Sword in the Stone, the Templars interest in stones carved on stone probably tracing back to this cult of Masonry.
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bd1c95 No.187241
>>187228
>one of his motifs could be seen as the Sword in the Stone, the Templars interest in stones carved on stone probably tracing back to this cult of Masonry
Sword in a stone in fact has a lot of symbolic correlation with Jesus. Same as "Behold the Hand, Behold the Nail" translation of tetragrammaton. Easy to explain how it work:
Psalms 118:22
>The stone which the builders refused is become the head stone of the corner.
Matthew 21:41-42
>They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons. Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord’s doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
Zechariah 10:4
>Out of him came forth the corner, out of him the nail, out of him the battle bow, out of him every oppressor together.
Zechariah 13:7
>Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the Lord of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.
Revelation 1:16
>And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
Revelation 19:15
>And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Matthew 10:34
>Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
John 18:11
>Then said Jesus unto Peter, Put up thy sword into the sheath: the cup which my Father hath given me, shall I not drink it?
The meaning is simple. Double edged sword of God's Mouth is first inserted into cornerstone, being put against the Shepherd (Jesus being nailed by his limbs to cross), God suffers himself in Son's incarnation. Then when sword is out through resurrection, its edge is used against God's those who invoked God's wrath at the end of days and stone into which the sword was previously put becomes the head of the corner. And cornerstone itself brings this sword representing God's judgement.
Stone is also symbolic because original laws were made on stone tablets. Hence Word written on them was written by God's hand and sword of the mouth. So sword was interconnected with Word on stone tablets, as well as Word of Scriptures.
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0fcf06 No.187249
>>187241
There are all sorts of interesting connections to the founding principle of the generation of the Aeon, Lord of stonemasons, Lord of Mount Sinai, seems to have been an Anthropomorphic Herm type figure that could be taken as a sword in stone, it's the sort of deep rooted connection to early Edomite culture that is the basis of much of their speculation which takes rock as the symbol of the abiding.
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02fb8f No.187274
Also not to ignore something about people who claim ploy of devils in anticipation of Jesus. In case of virgin birth of its more plain:
Isaiah 7:14
>Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Isaiah supposedly prophesied from 739–681 BC. Virgin birth to Buddha was attributed around 5-4 Century BC. Virgin birth of Dionysus is known through narratives from Nonnus written in late antiquity, or 405 BC Bacchae. Little information or sources on Semele cult prior.
But there's another one that correlates with it and book of Genesis. First it would require me to mention John 4:14 and Revelation 21:6
John 4:14
>But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.
Revelation 21:6
>And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
In Genesis it has a version with a virgin (Rebekah) who cometh to draw water and Isaac prays for little water from pitcher to drink:
Genesis 24:43-44
>Behold, I stand by the well of water; and it shall come to pass, that when the virgin cometh forth to draw water, and I say to her, Give me, I pray thee, a little water of thy pitcher to drink; And she say to me, Both drink thou, and I will also draw for thy camels: let the same be the woman whom the Lord hath appointed out for my master’s son.
This well of wordily water eventually turns into symbolism of water of everlasting life, but prophesied within Genesis already, as comping from a virgin. If Genesis is written by Moses within second millennium BC post Exodus, then its even older than Isaiah, if according to modern scholars, Genesis is a product of 6th-5th centuries BC, then its contemporary to Isaiah.
The hints on virgin birth of Messiah are one of the most old things of jewish tradition thanks to Isaiah and Genesis, cannot put other virgin birth traditions against Jesus that easily. Especially of mortal women.
And in case of dionysian water to wine miracle, new wine of covenant is part of both wisdom proverbs of Solomon (Proverbs chapter 9) and Joel 3:18-19:
>And it shall come to pass in that day, that the mountains shall drop down new wine, and the hills shall flow with milk, and all the rivers of Judah shall flow with waters, and a fountain shall come forth of the house of the Lord, and shall water the valley of Shittim. Egypt shall be a desolation, and Edom shall be a desolate wilderness, for the violence against the children of Judah, because they have shed innocent blood in their land.
It mentions new wine coming around days when Israel is punished for slaying prophets. Which is technically third covenant after Noah and Moses, which was foretold and yet jews still hold to old covenant which after Jesus is empty.
Jeremiah 31:31
>Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Luke 13:35
>Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
Water of everlasting life is the wine of new covenant.
If my speculation about Nysa/Nysai as Sinai are correct, then greeks inserted jewish elements in cult of Dionysus just like with copying Mesopotamian religion/poetry in general. Same reason they had Adonis worship, which is just greek appropriation of Adonai. For even Noah was planter of vineyards, so wine cults might as well come from him, and its a corruption of first covenant that they adore, not that i believe Noah wasn't a pagan nor that that's his name, but some memory might held tight of him and what's attributed to Gilgamesh about the flood.
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ae8be0 No.187460
As for Mary worship and God as hand of Eve of another anon, there's much more logical explanation of that than you think. It requires express study of greek bible and a little bit of gnostic attitude (but no gnostic literature).
First of all let me remind you of Matthew 19:5 (shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh) and Matthew 19:6 (What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.)
At the moment of joining of Pneuma Hagion with Virgin Mary, Holy Spirit commited immaculate conception of Messiah, the level at which such jointment happened must constitute the becoming of not flesh and another flesh, but rather flesh and pneuma directly. Virgin Mary permanently became one with Holy Spirit, and Holy Spirit assumed the body of Virgin. Hence all appartion and all visions of Mary, its the Spirit Herself. Neutral prior to conception of Messiah, having transcendent body of Virgin, who also symbolized the Church, after conception.
Three Mary's are symbolism of Bridegroom of Trinity having three Spouces, Brides. Father has spiritual Israel, Son has Church of saints, Holy Spirit - Mary. Hence blasphemy to Holy Spirit may extend to rejection of the Church, because Church and Spirit are ever linked, with Mary as unseperatable bodily temple. Vesica Piscis and 153 for a matter of fact may still represent the womb of the Bride
Mary herself in Luke actually talks about Psyche and Pneuma in Luke 1:
46 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,
46 και ειπεν μαριαμ μεγαλυνει η ψυχη μου τον κυριον
47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.
47 και ηγαλλιασεν το πνευμα μου επι τω θεω τω σωτηρι μου
Its interesting how she constituted both having ψυχη and πνευμα since conception, as it is said what's flesh is flesh, what's Spirit is Spirit (John 3:6). Therefore she does speak of Soul as of Psyche, but of Spirit as Holy Spirit, and she calls Jesus Savior as template for Church.
But most importantly, the greatest matters are held in the word "Life" - Zoe, hellenized "Eve". Living God - θεου του ζωντος. Even book of life in revelations is actually "βιβλου της ζωης", akin to how Evangelion is of Eva. And every single line that ever relates to Life is written as "Zoe". When Trinity complains in Generations 3:22 that Adam didn't ate from tree of Life its transliterates as Eitz Chaim, akin to Chavah, and even Breath of Life as Nishmat Chayyim. Breath is also Pneuma. All three have root "Cha" in it, phonetically. And then conveniently proceeds to drive away Man/Adam and not Eve from Eden. For Eve is a symbol of Tree of Life too. 5:2 of Genesis, that begins generations anew at all calls "Male and Female" - Adam, with no mention of Eve.
It is indeed a secret of eventually revealed Virgin Mary, that everyone conviniently worthips and even sees, especially in the north of this earth (concluding Zechariah 6:8), but never ask why. And as i say Byzantium scholars cracked this one down, as unity of Holy Spirit, Mary and the Church, but were hardly appreciated for it by protestants.
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0fcf06 No.187483
>>187241
The main example of Petra Genetrix principle in Christianity would be of course the Rock upon which the Church was founded, that correlates with the cult of Aeon.
The main problem they have is that this is cyclical, in terms of zodiac ages a millenium of growth and advancement before that goes into reverse, and thus the thousand year rule of Satan as it were, until by the end of the age the whole thing is pretty much rotten and dead, at which point a new Aeon is required.
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7280fa No.187511
>>187483
>an old Aion is shown sitting at a table together with three men, all personifications of "Chronoi" - past, present and future
Well, that's your Abrahamic Trinity (Genesis 18:2-3) of Yehyeh, Hoveh and Hahyah (He will be, being, He was). Knowing that worshipers of Chronos as time and personifications of time mostly came around antiquity and especially late antiquity, from Chaldeans and Neoplatonists, i am sure by the time idea of Chronoi appeared Genesis already was written. For all i know only Neoplatonic Chaldeans with their greek friends were summoning time gods for worship especially under specific limit, so its again another corruption of greek religion by hebrew import, just like orphic Dionysus and Adonis.
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5b49f3 No.187551
Thought you two would get a kick out of the Vatican's Nativity scene. Let me know what you think of this one.
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87384b No.187555
>>187483
> correlates with the cult of Aeon.
What is this Freemasonic blasphemy?
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5b49f3 No.187580
>>187551
I have decided that the first photo is of Biden and Harris at their inauguration. lol
Turquoise drip tiddies w/beard is Harris.
Full body cast is Biden his time.
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0b3952 No.187583
>>158228
Seen the thread up for a bit. Final question: neanderthal, ayyys, demons, or retarded larpers that fooled an entire people for thousands (min) of years? Since we're on it, what combo from meta to physio can you fab, or perceive with evidence as to the evolutionary and sociopathologically exclusive incarnations we exact without implication of your assertion?
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ae8be0 No.187634
>>187551
Well its a modern art piece, not a canonical iconography. That said, Mary's rib cage looking dress sure reminds me of Adam's rib. Maybe reference to her theological description as second Eve. Piscis sign in the centre of her heart, and in general she looks like Iron Maiden, from perspective you posted its not noticeable.
As for astronaut, i always thought Revelation 12:6 and 12:14 about escaping into wilderness with wings of great eagle was actually legit escape from this planet. For no desert or wilderness would held up sun burning everything alive (Rev 16:8).
But hey, no matter how lazy it looks at first glance, at least baby Jesus and Mary are white and blonde. I still remember how they placed last supper with a negro in a church during whole chimpout fiasco, that was worse.
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0fcf06 No.187649
>>187511
Chronos-Aeon relating to time and destiny, and that in terms of the Heavenly contract of Mithra, the two Abrahamic contracts relating to Zodiac ages and that the primary basis for their religious control and influence.
The Christian era was a take on Pisces as the Goddess Na-zi, daughter of En-ki and patroness of the caring and sharing society through taxation, the Goddess of the Fishermen, for the first half of the Age that had an arbitrary religious basis that degenerated into secularist utopian ideals and the horrors of Bolshevism, the Age played out as might be expected but with no contextual understanding and everyone running their own exploit, the next will play out worse unless proper context is established and false claims countered.
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5b49f3 No.187656
>>187634
>at least baby Jesus and Mary are white and blonde
I noticed that as well. lmao
They will probably profusely apologize and grovel with their 'white guilt' (even thought they are not white) but they are actually correctly rendered. I also can't help but appreciate that Angel Gabriel/'representative of God/djed eye' is blonde/blue eyed as well.
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880a9d No.187666
>>187649
>>187483
You know, Hebrews had a kingdom for around one aeon (as thousand years/millennium) before Jesus was born. Christian definition of single thousand year passing in a single day come from Psalmic prayer "A Prayer of Moses the man of God.":
Psalms 90:4 in KJV, in orthodox editions 89:5
>For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.
"when it is past" here is abar, sometimes translated as "to cross over"/"to transgress"/"to pass". In a way their chosenness only a way of transit for God for one aion.
David ruled from 1011 BC – 971 BC, Solomon 970 BC to 930 BC. From David forming their kingdom it would be almost exactly thousand years until birth of Anointed Lord Jesus Christ. He's called Anointed Lord at the end of new millennium and root and the offspring of David because David was also anointed at the start of millennium of the jewish kingdom:
1 Samuel 16:13
>Then Samuel took the horn of oil, and anointed him in the midst of his brethren: and the Spirit of the Lord came upon David from that day forward. So Samuel rose up, and went to Ramah.
And of course kingdom of original jews existing for millennium represents camp of the saints on earth existing for millennium, with satan locked up, in the Revelations.
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880a9d No.187672
>>187656
Ah, so that's Gabriel. Didn't figured it out at first. Should had noticed Madonna's usual starry veil.
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0fcf06 No.187702
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>>187666
We can attribute the Age of Aries to the rise of the shepherd Kings, though originally an aspect of Dumuzid this became synonamous with the Semites and Israel posited Abraham and his flocks as the primary basis in terms of the Aeon, the sacrifice of the Ram, this tradition was already in decline by the time of David, and was generally a history of division and collapse, Jesus had to assume the role of the good Shepherd as well as Fisherman in terms of translation to the Age of Pisces.
https://www.academia.edu/4039624/Astral_Dumuzi
They did appear to expect that the Church would be triumphant after a thousand years or so and then go into decline, a millenium of Satan and checked.
The same can be said for the current Aeon we shall manifest, which shall generate like the Moon, at this point barely visible if at all, the world is in limbo between Ages but the contract Aeternis continues and Aeon as the Morning star son of Venus fulfills his role as the somewhat indeterminate, with the Semites that will always be the negative aspect of Venus giving birth to Lucifer also in the negative sense, so many lies, but the positive can and should be reclaimed, the Age of En-ki as the Heart of the Ocean, this will be born from Rock Music, i've got it covered.
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5b49f3 No.187705
>>187672
Wow anon, thanks for that interesting image of the Iron Maiden (with all its attendant implications)…even if it was not pragmatic as a torture device, it is still quite poignant as commentary on this world. All my life I had no idea that Jesus was speaking of German practices when he talked about the millstone hanging off someone's neck (exclusively German means of public shaming/punishment for poachers and prostitutes).
>"The use of the Schandmantel was comparable to the Lästersteine (German) or schandstenen (Dutch), heavy stones weighing down from the neck. The Schandtonne was weighted along the lower rim and around the neck opening as a way of corporal punishment in addition to the severe public humiliation it posed."
>1 Jesus said to His disciples, “It is inevitable that stumbling blocks will come, but woe to the one through whom they come! 2 It would be better for him to have a millstone hung around his neck and to be thrown into the sea than to cause one of these little ones to stumble.
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094f92 No.187712
The word "abar" seems to be really significant, its associated with crossing the Red Sea.
There's much symbolic interpretations in Exodus that could mean passing it actually a price paid on the cross by Jesus.
Exodus 15:16
>Fear and dread shall fall upon them; by the greatness of thine arm they shall be as still as a stone; till thy people pass over, O Lord, till the people pass over, which thou hast purchased.
The pass over here is just abar, when actual passover is pecach. But Pecach and passing as abar is implied in Exodus 12:11-12:
>And thus shall ye eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste: it is the Lord’s passover. For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the Lord.
Exodus 12:13-14 already implies blood of the Lamb:
>And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt.And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the Lord throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever.
It correlates well with Revelation 12:11-12
>And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Exodus is most likely a book of prophecy, not what actually happened in conflict with Egyptians, who probably just a code word of the jews for empire of fallen angels. Because even Exodus 14:16:
>But lift thou up thy rod, and stretch out thine hand over the sea, and divide it: and the children of Israel shall go on dry ground through the midst of the sea.
Correlates to Revelation 12:16
>And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
Exodus 7:19-21 also similar to turning water into blood in Revelations.
Israel as bride of Father escaped from Egyptians in similar manner like Church, bride of Jesus escapes from Serpent, or how Mary, Mother of Jesus and spouse of Holy Spirit escaped from Herod.
So i am suspecting it simply doesn't speak of earthly Egypt, if that's the case. When Isaiah speaks of Babylonian Lucifer he also adds at Isaiah 14:23
>I will also make it a possession for the bittern, and pools of water: and I will sweep it with the besom of destruction, saith the Lord of hosts.
Which in Exodus 15:4 is drowning of host of Pharaoh:
>Pharaoh’s chariots and his host hath he cast into the sea: his chosen captains also are drowned in the Red sea.
Red Sea might as well be code name for Gehenna or wine of the God's wrath. Crossing it is probably Vesica Piscis portal, which when closes only gets flooded with Hellfire.
Job 38:6-8 culminates well where my thinking lies:
>Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?
And this Vesica Piscis Womb is on the other side, which makes Nicodemus question kind of half truth:
John 3:4
>Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born?
Which is the other shore of the Red Sea. For no one crosses its fiery sword that is turned to every side otherwise.
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0fcf06 No.187897
>>187712
There is no mention of a Red Sea, they crossed Yam Suph which translates as Sea of Reeds, which of course has been taken as the Red Sea.
The Sea of Reeds however was an Egyptian concept of the primeval realm of the imagination within the Chamber of Kky,
>The-one-of-Heseret, he says: “Writing (or ‘a book’) is a sea [ym]. Its reeds are a shore
>“Writing is a sea Its reeds are a shore Hasten therein, little one, little one! Hurry to the shore! Count waves (or ‘difficult passages’). As for its body, it is a myriad , Do not be weak with regard to it (the sea) until its lord permits that you swim in it and he makes a perfect place (or ‘very fair wind’) before you
https://henadology.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/book-of-thoth-butler-new1.pdf
This is tradition of the adepts of Thoth from the House of Life, passing to a different shore, different reeds and different words and the generation of new writings from which the Egyptian was cut off, sometimes it was seen as not possible to cross to the other side.
>Here,however, the “sea” of the text is one whose reeds’ or ‘shore’ cannot be reached: it resists interpretation; accordingly, the gloss that reads “They are the Red and the Black which
cannot be reached,” seems to refer to the two colors of ink scribes used in a finished text.
They saw the sea as stable or unstable.
>[i]n a moment the water stabilized in passing by; the name is Stabilized-water … A
(floating) mass of reed was seen by He-who-is-on-the-water … When the Beautiful-of-harpoon arrived, the reed separated (from the rest of the floating masses) as it went to them. And a floater of reed was stabilized in the water,
something which the Hovering-one saw while encircling … When the reed was stabilized, the Falcon was supported <by> the floater of reed.
It's the sort of analogy only scribal schools could be expected to understand, their inner tradition.
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f40edf No.187900
>>187897
>It's the sort of analogy only scribal schools could be expected to understand, their inner tradition.
It must be related to "And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters" in the beginning of Genesis, as well as Matthew 14:26 "And when the disciples saw him walking on the sea, they were troubled, saying, It is a spirit; and they cried out for fear". Usually most underrated and laughed at miracle, yet its connected to both the sea allegories and beginning of everything.
The reason why Peter was constantly falling into the water is because he was a sinner himself, and unstable in faith, yet holding keys to the Church and feeding God's sheep.
And ultimately relationship of unstable soul among the waters with faith in Miraculous Power of God. In fact faith fails around this moment the most, when soul is incapable of detaching itself from physical reality into something illogical.
Matthew 14:27-32
>But straightway Jesus spake unto them, saying, Be of good cheer; it is I; be not afraid. And Peter answered him and said, Lord, if it be thou, bid me come unto thee on the water. And he said, Come. And when Peter was come down out of the ship, he walked on the water, to go to Jesus. But when he saw the wind boisterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, Lord, save me. And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt? And when they were come into the ship, the wind ceased.
Notice the wind ceased once they were in logical ground from their own psychic perspective, but when Peter came down from the ship he began to sink, for it was logical for him to start sinking from fear of the boisterous wind and water.
The word for wind here was ανεμον, anemon. The word for water was υδατα (ýdata). The word for spirit they confused Jesus as was not pneuma here, but φαντασμα, phantasma, as if it was their imagination. "Little Faith"/incredulous here is a single word ολιγοπιστε (oligopiste).
In Porphyry "against Christians" he says:
>Those who know the region well tell us that, in fact, there is no "sea" in the locality but only a tiny lake which· springs from a river that flows through the hills of Galilee near Fiberias; Small boats can get across it within two hours. [And the lake is too small] to have seen whitecaps caused by storm. Mark seems to be stretching a point to its extremities when he writes that Jesus-after nine hours had passed-decided in the tenth to walk across to his disciples who had been floating about on the pond for the duration!
>As if this isn't enough, he calls it a "sea"-indeed, a stormy sea-a very angry sea which tosses them about in its waves causing them to fear for their lives. He does this, apparently, so that he can next show Christ miraculously causing the storm to cease and the sea to calm down, hence saving the disciples from the dangers of the swell. It is from fables like this one that we judge the gospel to be a cleverly woven curtain, each thread of which requires careful scrutiny.
The joke on Porphyry here is kind of obvious. Because whole thing is like a parable on faith, so not believing is anemon resisting the illogical, as if confused from execution of power of Christ's Spirit. Oligopistos cannot go against strong wind of anemon, hence the phenomena of sinking into those waters. That's why little faith (ολιγοπιστοι in 6:30 of Matthew) is criticized, not just complete lack of it. I also notice that "faith as little as grain seed" (πιστιν ως κοκκον σιναπεως) that moves mountains and plucks trees out (by the way confirming my idea of interchangeability of trees and mountains in Matthew 17:20 and Luke 17:6) is still pistis, and not oligopistos. Wind sometimes in NT is pneuma as in "wind blows where it wishes", it talks of Spirit. But then wind is anemon and it doesn't mean spirit anymore, like it gets repeated in Revelations 6:13: "And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind." Untimely figs are figs that are unripen, out of season, saints at the end of time shaken in faith by anemon, which relates to Matthew 24:19 "And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!".
But then again, the reason why sea instantly gets calm is because bridegroom is on the same boat now. So it was also storm before second coming.
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0fcf06 No.187913
>>187900
They may have associated the reed with air/spirit because from Suph/reed,
>Another possible development of this root is the word suphah, meaning "storm-wind"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yam_Suph
Perhaps in the sense of the storm funnel as a big angry word of God type reed, but that's a good example you provide, a clash of the elements and the Rock sinks
Yam Suph does appear to have been the actual term for the Red sea but i don't think they could resist a good metaphor which could only have been made by elements from the House of Life at Amarna fleeing the fall out from Atenism
https://www.ucl.ac.uk/museums-static/digitalegypt/museum/museum2.html
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562493 No.187921
>>187913
>They may have associated the reed with air/spirit because from Suph/reed,
Two winds in the world, both translated into english as mere "wind", but its two different words in greek bible. Holy and Unholy. Holy Wind is called Pneuma Hagion, unholy could be associated with wind of anemon in both Revelations and Matthew. One gives faith other takes it away. One rises above the waters, another sinks into the waters, and the waters is lake of fire: Revelation 20:14
>And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Also for as much as i love proving good message of the bible i also love finding its origins. Is there a dinner party parable in Hebrew bible? Well unless there isn't, Jesus heavily copied that one from Plato, to the point where its both in Gnostic (for this parable is in the Gospel of Thomas, line 64) and Canon scriptures (Matthew 22:2-14, Luke 14:8-14). I am speaking of Phaedrus and Phaedo specifically, as if Jesus was aware of those two. This passage was said by Phaedrus, by the way, not by Socrates himself, which makes it twice more weird:
>“Besides, if it were true that we ought to give the biggest favor to those who need it most, then we should all be helping out the very poorest people, not the best ones, because people we’ve saved from the worst troubles will give us the most thanks. For instance, the right people to invite to a dinner party would be beggars and people who need to sate their hunger, because they’re the ones who’ll be fond of us, follow us, knock on our doors, take the most pleasure with the deepest gratitude, and pray for our success. No, it’s proper, I suppose, to grant your favors to those who are best able to return them, not to those in the direst need—that is, not to those who merely desire the thing, but to those who really deserve it—not to people who will take pleasure in the bloom of your youth, but to those who will share their goods with you when you are older; not to people who achieve their goal and then boast about it in public, but to those who will keep a modest silence with everyone; not to people whose devotion is short-lived, but to those who will be steady friends their whole lives; not to the people who look for an excuse to quarrel as soon as their desire has passed, but to those who will prove their worth when the bloom of your youth has faded. Now, remember what I said and keep this in mind: friends often criticize a lover for bad behavior; but no one close to a non-lover ever thinks that desire has led him into bad judgment about his interests.
>“And now I suppose you’ll ask me whether I’m urging you to give your favors to everyone who is not in love with you. No. As I see it, a lover would not ask you to give in to all your lovers either. You would not, in that case, earn as much gratitude from each recipient, and you would not be able to keep one affair secret from the others in the same way. But this sort of thing is not supposed to cause any harm, and really should work to the benefit of both sides.
It also correlates with:
Jesus talking about love of those whom he forgave more sins than to others, speaking of Magdalene by the way in Luke 7:47
Parable about "mammon of unrighteousness", letting go debts of others when you're in debt, forgiving others when you're yourself sinful from Luke 16:1-13
>people we’ve saved from the worst troubles will give us the most thanks
>Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little.
And
>the ones who’ll be fond of us, follow us, knock on our doors, take the most pleasure with the deepest gratitude, and pray for our success
>Make to yourselves friends of the mammon of unrighteousness; that, when ye fail, they may receive you into everlasting habitations.
And famous one from Plato's Phaedo, that ends this very platonic dinner parable in Matthew 22:14 is
"For many are called, but few are chosen.";
"many who carry the thyrsus but the Bacchants are few"
Actually whole Matthew 22:2-14 would look like Platonic verses inserted forcefully, if i didn't knew of other relating passages confirming this line of thought. This dinner party is my own greatest anemon, sinker of my faith, there's no worse than that.
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5b49f3 No.188027
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d1992a No.188035
Does anyone know what this fucking badly written text in the quote is talking about?
>Brahman Milky Way is the Celestial Cow/Dolphin; with 14 Constellations on right side of Milky Way (AV20.90.1,CU3.2.4-5) and 14 Constellations on the left, while Abraham’s star-like descendants number 14 generation from Abraham to King David; 14 from David to the Babylonian exile and 14 from Babylon to Jesus (Matt1:17).
source: https://www.boloji.com/articles/15119/abraham-and-brahma-part-i
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0fcf06 No.188084
>>188035
The Constellations along the Galactic Plane/Milky way, if you want to make it look like a big fish or dolphin observe the arc of the Galactic plane intersect with the Ecliptic relative to the local horizon as in very helpful diagram related, this is occurring around the solstice points of the year.
The Hebrew numerology though is just likely Lunar related..This lists the constellations as 27, sometimes 30 are considered
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactic_coordinate_system
>>187921
They would have it that the ultimate origin of any idea is from within the sea of potential and that sometimes people are just catching the same sort of fish because it's in season, Guide to Fishing in the Sea of Reeds by Horus the Younger but then again is that not the sort of fish which can be shared ad infinitum and what is the price of a miraculous fish at the market?
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bc90aa No.188093
>>188035
>Brahman
>Abraham
mfw never entered my mind before to imagine Abraham as Abrahman/Anti-brahman. What if this name indeed was derivative from long ago discussed contact of pani merchants with indo-aryans? Its same with Surya -> Asurya -> Ashura in Assyrian part.
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0fcf06 No.188100
>>188093
It's not that difficult a case to make that they referenced the cult of Brahma because Abraham's given region of origin was under Indo-Aryan rule at the formative period of Hebrew history and Vedic Gods are recorded there, this influence even extended into the Levant.
The name of the Kingdom of Mitanni may derive from Indo-Aryan, share the same root as Mitra, and infer a people of covenant.
https://aryaakasha.com/2019/09/16/here-be-indo-aryans-on-the-vedic-gods-of-the-mitanni/
https://www.academia.edu/642020/Journal_of_Indo_European_Studies_2010_About_the_Mitanni_Aryan_gods_1_2_26_40_
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d4373e No.188107
Wikipedia:
>Amesha Spenta are a class of seven divine entities emanating from Ahura Mazda
>In particular, the relationship between Ahura Mazda and Spenta Mainyu is multifaceted and complex and "as hard to define as that of Yahweh and the Holy Spirit in Judaism and Christianity."
Revelation 5:6
>And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
I also been reading The Dawn and Twilight of Zoroastrianism by R. C. Zaehner.
https://1lib.us/book/1062143/419fe7
It also has correlations to Holy Spirit and Destructive Spirit, as two. Which are represented one as Holy Pneuma/Pneuma Hagion, other as ακαθαρτον πνευμα (unclean spirit) or anemon in the bible.
Akatharton also used to describe seven wicked spirits that enter a man who returns to depravity after being cleaned from one unclean spirit in Matthew 12:43-45.
So we have Seven Holy Spirits (Seven Eyes/Horns of the Lamb, Seven candles and Seven Stars in right hand of God, Seven pillars of Wisdom of Solomon) and seven wicked spirits (beast of seven heads).
I also like how all those people put name of "demons" as opposition to their rival religion:
1. In Christianity demons are daimonia, because in gentile religion daemons are emanations of holy gods
2. In Zoroastrianism demons are "daevas" because indians worship gods as "devas"
3. In Hinduism demons are "ashuras", because rivals worship Ashura/Ahura
4. In Islam Genies are demons because they were in mesapotamian iconography as Winged Genies
Its kind of obvious what's actually going on here. So the whole fiasco is about making gods of your rival religion that you try to conquer look evil. And its a repeated pattern across those four religions.
That said i can compare Seven Spirits of Zoroastrianism to Seven epithets of Christ's Holy Spirit:
Spəṇta Mainyu - Holy/Creative Spirit/Mentality - Holy Spirit (πνευμα αγιον)
[Vohu] Manah - [Good] Purpose - Spirit of Wisdom (πνευμα σοφιας)
Aša [Vahišta]- [Best] Truth / Righteousness: Spirit of Truth (πνευμα της αληθειας)
Xšaθra [Vairya] - [Desirable] Dominion - Spirit of the Lord (πνευμα κυριου)
[Spənta] Armaiti - [Holy] Devotion - Spirit of Faith (πνευμα της πιστεως)
Haurvatāt - Wholeness - Unity of the Spirit (ενοτητα του πνευματος), fellowship of the Spirit (κοινωνια πνευματος) or Jesus making people whole
Amərətāt - Immortality - Spirit of Life (πνευμα ζωης)
Or if one wants to use Pauline model, then its seven fruits of the Spirit from Galatians 5:22: love (αγαπη), joy (χαρα), peace (ειρηνη), longsuffering (patience, μακροθυμια), gentleness (χρηστοτης), goodness (αγαθωσυνη), faith (πιστις)
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6cf654 No.188129
>>188093
The article is about Brahma, not Brahman, don't know why it says "Brahman" in the quote, the whole quote is very badly written, as is most of the article. Anyway I don't know what you're talking about.
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eca184 No.188314
The Jew is often a perpetual outsider, yet capable of dominating other cultures:
https://counter-currents.com/2014/04/racial-dominance/
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b6d286 No.188330
>>188093
Really? It seems obvious. The Brahman caste system–its very name and social status–is derived directly from the upper caste being descended from the sons of Abraham.
> “And Abraham gave all that he had unto Isaac. But unto the sons of the concubines, which Abraham had, Abraham gave gifts, and sent them away from Isaac his son, while he yet lived, eastward, unto the east country.” ~ Genesis, chapter 25, verses 5-6
> “One of the strongest points for a common Brahmin-Jewish origin is the fact that in both communities have been endogamous priests from the earliest times of their recorded history: It may also be observed in this respect that the Hebrews, as well as their Indian counterparts, Brahmins, consider themselves as the ‘Chosen People of God.’ The Hebrews started their corporate career in history as a ‘Kingdom of Priests.’ Likewise, the Brahmins have also been a ‘Community of Priests’ since the dawn of their history.” ~ Professor Madan Mohan Shukla; The Hebrews Belong to a Branch of Vedic Aryans; Vishveshvaranand Indological Journal; 1976
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f9b483 No.188338
>>188330
>is derived directly from the upper caste being descended from the sons of Abraham
you didn't post a source for this statement
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f9b483 No.188339
You morons don't seem to understand that Brahma, Brahman and Brahmin are not the same fucking thing
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f9b483 No.188342
Both Christians, Muslims and Jews say they are descended from Abraham. If the Brahmin wanted to say they were Jews why don't they say they are descended from Jacob like Jews do?
This Jew says Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are "forces of nature" and that they represent Islam, Christianity and Jews. But I don't understand why you would say it that way because as pic related shows Jacob is son of Isaac who is son of Abraham so that makes no sense, because the descendants of Jacob are also the descendants of Isaac and of Abraham, and the descendants of Isaac are also the descendants of Abraham. Notice he doesn't actually say anything about descendants in the video but that's what people always say and that's what you said in this thread. Besides he mentions Ishmael. Plus if the 14 generations thing corresponds to the number of constellations along each side of the Milky Way that seems to imply maybe it's not about actual generations or descendants.
https://youtu.be/L9Bme9IUjgQ
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f9b483 No.188343
I bought this book years ago, never read it
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f9b483 No.188345
The guy in the glasses looks kind of like a kike, what's he doing at a Brahmin meeting?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahmin#/media/File:(A)_Bhumi_Puja,_yajna.jpg
>in 2007 about 50% of Brahmin households in India earned less than $100 a month
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahmin#Modern_demographics_and_economic_condition
What kind of Jews is that?
Some faggots in America call themselves Boston Brahmin. Are they connected to the Indian Brahmin? Can't be bothered to read the article but doesn't seem so from what I read.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Brahmin
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805465 No.188346
>>188338
Ah, apologies. One’s there; here’s the other. http://archive.is/vbK8H
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f9b483 No.188347
>>188346
>One’s there
no there isn't
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f9b483 No.188348
>>188346
>here’s the other. http://archive.is/vbK8H
Fucking retard posting a wall of text, that's not how you quote, you have not provided a source for the statement you made which by the way is a fucking nonsensical statement grammatically and logically:
>The Brahman caste system–its very name and social status–is derived directly from the upper caste being descended from the sons of Abraham.
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5a8482 No.188362
>>188345
>>188342
>>188348
Ok, anon, despite you falling like spaghetti all over the place i get what you're saying. I do not think however your definition of Abraham/Brahmin comparison represent Christianity. Jesus was going against rulers/archons and forming opposite hierarchy on last being the first and first being the last. So vedic caste system already incompatible with Christianity, because its heavily archonic:
Mark 10:42-45
>But Jesus called them to him, and saith unto them, Ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and their great ones exercise authority upon them. But so shall it not be among you: but whosoever will be great among you, shall be your minister: And whosoever of you will be the chiefest, shall be servant of all. For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
If sons of Abraham/Brahmin's caste system are similar in a way, the only thing they are similar with each other is their attitude towards the bottom of their caste. I think goyim is very much comparable to sudras, only fitting for animal-like jobs. Kind of like Aristotle also went into that direction thinking people who do manual work are animals in his metaphysics.
However jews are missing a middle. For example Adin Steinsaltz said all jews are priests ( >>161410 ). All of them are brahmins without exception, highest caste. And everything non-jewish is instantly sudras.
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a98302 No.188414
>>188362
One system wants progress and the other one is a death cult based in total stagnation.
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805465 No.188416
>>188348
>175 words is a wall of text
Take your ADHD meds and fuck off, retard. You’re not one of us and never will be.
>that's not how you quote
Cry harder about it.
>you have not provided a source for the statement you made
I Did, yeah.
>which by the way is a fucking nonsensical statement grammatically and logically:
Nope, sorry, your inability to read the English language has nothing to do with the statement itself.
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1bb866 No.188417
>>188416
>you have not provided a source for the statement you made
Maybe it was revealed to him in a dream. :D
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90dadc No.188461
>>188417
>Maybe it was revealed to him in a dream. :D
Ah yes, the reason this thread even exists. Its okay though. The only thing i learned personally is that we all should pray to Mary and that Christianity is some foreshadow/mask of some another religious truth that we know little about. And the only little amount i know is hidden in the layers of Mary/Theotokos worship given to Mary by Byzantium and that is not really original by any chance, and Jesus himself failed to fully apprehend situation he was in, or hid his mother himself, for it is said:
John 2:5
>His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it.
Luke 9:35
>And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.
And also John 19:26-27.
As if Mother and Father are One entity and people are duped into becoming into paradise of Maria, who through her Son managed to force generations upon generations of whites to enter her garden. To the point when even HER Pneuma (Luke 1:47) according to older prophets than her existence were joyful at that thing happening. Maybe to some extend She's similar to wombs of those pesky buddhists, just in an attempt to keep most of the corporeal realities secret from so called archons/devil (although God will uproot everything he didn't planted in Matthew 15:13). But none of that happened and this religion grew big as it should. In its most resilience against those who downplay important mysteries.
And best of us live in pain only to appreciate heavens afterwards.
White people became victims to jewish witch (Magdalene), yet jewish witch herself would never separate herself or her own body from holy spirit (because she's one with Spirit and Tripartite: John 19:25), nor our ancestors. They became permanently bound to her. And so holy jewish witch, in image of the church and mistress of all preachers became our permanent idol, and Mother of God, who may as well be derived from idea of perfect humanity (perfect adam to rule the rest of humanity with iron rod) of gnostics. And you either accept this with your own perfect plan to preserve the white race regardless of mysticism of religion, or she'll kill you like she killed Hitler for attempting to reform Christianity. Maybe Hitler would had been successful in that and that's why he wasn't allowed to live. While russia eventually resoted their religion despite lenin and stalin awful regime.
Anon who said YHWH may be hand of Eve is right
Anon who said YHWH may had established rulership in eden-like condition without kings is right.
Those two correlate with eventual developments of Christianity perfectly, just not by names of ideological principles.
Those ideological principles reveal themselves by time. Kind of how people want to make heaven on earth but can't no matter how much they try.
Grace will eventually be bestowed to chosen. Grace never gets bestowed without pain though. And that's why suffering is necessity. For those who this life is a big game of politics is still merely transnational, for its supposed to get worse into sodomic territory, especially israel (Revelation 11:8, Isaiah 1:10).
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1bb866 No.188477
>>188461
There is some real madness in you.
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5ec98d No.188487
>>188417
>something being revealed in a dream
>not being a valid source
one to be skeptical about sure. but dream source automatically equaling false is normalfag think
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90dadc No.188489
>>188477
All religions proceed from dead people making a room for themselves in afterlife, and filling those rooms with believing souls connected to them, where's madness in that? I just bring that to logical conclusion.
And the one called Maria managed to buy us one big wine, probably whole Hotel.
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1bb866 No.188492
>>188487
Well a dream is usually subconsicous processing mechanism. In a way it always your mind to see the outer "edges" that escapes the focus but can be usefull to see a bigger picture. Or it can be shallow as a fart in the wind. I always had that indiana jones dream where a big fat ball of stone is running down a track and im running from it. Didnt have that dream in a long time.
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1bb866 No.188495
>>188489
I dont believe in the afterlife, neither collecting any "souls". It is more a transitioning phase from careless youthfullness to running out of time. The afterlife for me offers no comfort neither collecting any souls other than here and now, and even then i dont give a shit. I like certain people and some i absolutely hate.
If i m in that mode my predator mode gets activated, usually i m a chill and likeable guy.
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5ec98d No.188497
>>188492
too much normal fag thinking. this is a mysticism thread. dreams can be much more than that. some of nikolia tesla's best work was "pulled from the void".
interesting to note how many normalfags don't even have dreams (they do, theyre just incapable of remembering them). similar to the lack of an inner voice. it's almost as if they don't even have third eyes.
learn to reliably lucid dream and then come back and tell me that dreams only exist to process information.
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1bb866 No.188499
>>188497
Question: why would they have the "third eye".
If i see a person something in my immediatelly scans him/her. Every word you say every move you make (i knew that song was about stalking).
It is like people cannot hide from me.
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1bb866 No.188501
>>188499
In a way it is human nature, has a beginning and they find an end in me.
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a98302 No.188563
>>188461
All I know about this is that when God takes me by the hand and walks with me that it is a female (mother) and not a male…and I was raised in Christianity so, no doubt, I have been told from cradle to grave that 'God is a man', but that didn't exactly hold up to scrutiny or real life experience, did it?
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a98302 No.188568
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>>188495
>I dont believe in the afterlife
It doesn't believe in you either. No loss for either of you. lmao.
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1bb866 No.188577
>>188563
God is always a man because females in themselves are cunts, they usually always seek out a man to "judge". If he wants it or not that doesnt matter to them.
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2d43f1 No.188578
Saturn and Jupiter are crossing paths tomorrow night on the Solstice. In the darkest hour, the tribe and the king become one. Then, the slow but steady march to the golden age shall begin.
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a98302 No.188583
>>188577
No female worth her salt would ever seek a man for judgement. Judgement is always the faculty of females. You are correct about me not caring whether you want to judge or not…the 'judgement ' of men/globohomo has been the worst thing that has ever happened to this planet.
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1bb866 No.188585
>>188583
Hypothetically if i would be the "judge" i would very swiftly delegate that to a female judge.
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a98302 No.188587
>>188585
Well 99.9% of humanity wouldn't because they fear, rightfully, what proper judgment would result in…blood would flow in rivers that would not stop until there were no parasites and (sheltered) criminals left to bleed.
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3ce5d6 No.188599
>>188563
I think its actually some effect that happens because of contra sexuality >>178695 . Once soul gets accustomed to real and prolonged worship it desires polarization. But then again God creator of old testament acts like a woman at times and has female-like judgement, wrath and temper.
Severe jealousy, which we all know:
Exodus 34:14
>For thou shalt worship no other god: for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:
Hate of Israel's adultery, but at the same time prostration into places where said God didn't belong:
Hosea 2:23
>And I will sow her unto me in the earth; and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; and I will say to them which were not my people, Thou art my people; and they shall say, Thou art my God.
Which is reminded in Matthew 21:43
>Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Shyness like in Exodus 33:20 (for word man - Adam is used here)
>And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
Sometimes apostolic Christians draw Mary enthroned with baby Christ on her lap, but that's also an image of enthroned God and the Lamb in Revelations 22:1-2:
>And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
Mind you this last part has a little story about it. Epiphanius in his Panarion when complaining about heresies, accidentally disgraced this passage when read Gospel of Eve (because Revelations 22:2 was part of Gospel of Eve):
>And so with the woman’s emission when she happens to be having her period—they likewise take the unclean menstrual blood they gather from her, and eat it in common. And “This,” they say, “is the blood of Christ.” And so, when they read, “I saw a tree bearing twelve manner of fruits every year, and he said unto me, “This is the tree of life,” in apocryphal writings, they interpret this allegorically of the menstrual flux.
At least feminine nature of Dionysus was explained by being dual-natured like his fatherly alter-ego Phanes, with androgynous side. But God of Israel usually mistakenly assumed to be fully male.
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1bb866 No.188600
>>188599
I m zeus the rapist of everything that lives breathes and crawls. And so were his tasks, is a man has to bother and god wouldnt and neither couldnt.
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fcde60 No.188625
>>184082
On the Hekhalot mysticism, what i noticed is that Sethian scriptures from Nag Hammadi have similar repeating mantra-like letter formulas, just in greek instead. >>184092
Especially concerning Holy Book of the Great Invisible Spirit.
Don't forget that Jesus is also son of Seth by scarlet thread of blood relation:
Luke 3:38
>Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.
So even to average Christians Seth is important character because of progeny. Yet Jesus himself denies to be Son of David, His spiritual progeny to God is more important:
Luke 20:44
>David therefore calleth him Lord, how is he then his son?
So not so sure about importance of Seth in lineage.
That said, Sethianism is Hekhalot mysticism for the Hellenized jews. Also Sethians were actually worshiping Phanes as "Protophanes", probably inspired by Orphics.
I really must recommend those books for reading:
Paradise Reconsidered in Gnostic Mythmaking: Rethinking Sethianism in Light of the Ophite Evidence:
https://1lib.eu/book/1188549/5d016b
Sethian gnosticism and the Platonic tradition
https://1lib.eu/book/5502297/6ed631
Gnosticism, Platonism and the Late Ancient World: Essays in Honour of John D. Turner
https://1lib.eu/book/2215393/ff0ac4
Panarion Of St Epiphanius Against Heresies Catholic Vatican Complete
https://archive.org/details/PanarionEpiphaniusCOMPLETE_201905/mode/2up
The Nag Hammadi Scriptures: The Revised and Updated Translation of Sacred Gnostic Texts Complete in One Volume
https://1lib.eu/book/2385070/51f7f7
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0fcf06 No.188644
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>>188625
Well it is the day of the birth of Aeon and Jupiter and Saturn are in rare agreement so lets consider that the only Divine lineage required for Aeon is to be the son of Anu and Inanna, in the Sethian context though that is the negative aspect of Venus Lamastu/Manat, Aeons generating within Sethian context are thus highly problematic.
This Feminine basis will always be irrational/emotional and paradoxical but with Inanna that's a positive and keeps things wildly entertaining and she is much loved, the Masculine archetype of the son is expected to facilitate these crazy inclinations and subjective aspirations, an operative extension of her nature.
It's the self centred subjective aspect of Inanna that saw her constantly looking to increase her powers and responsibilities to the detriment of others, indeed the manifestation within the Sethian context has led to the destruction of most other religions in the sense that there can only be one, the Sethians/jews have been the hosts of that subversive destruction, which can only ultimately lead to the exultation of Inanna, through her son, but not in a Sethian context, they appear to have just been useful idiots of Du Shara/Sara/Sarumma within the greater mad scheme
https://www.academia.edu/4297790/The_Late_Bilingual_Exaltation_of_I%C5%A1tar_Inannas_Erh%C3%B6hung_
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d5d1b5 No.188656
>First Epistle to the Thessalonians
>It is likely the first of Paul's letters, probably written by the end of AD 52.
>However, some scholars believe the Epistle to Galatians may have been written by AD 48.
To anon who hates Paul, 1st Thessalonians and Galatians were written prior to everything.
Both have few hitches that speak loud words if read as first christian scripture ever written:
Galatians:
4:14
>And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.
4:19
>My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,
6:14
>But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
1st Thessalonians:
On Body being Vessel of a God:
4:3-4
>For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour;
4:7
>For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.
Holiness/sanctification is all Hagion/Hagiasmo.
4:14
>For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
If one takes those texts without accounting any prior literature in, or the entire bible, one could get an impression, if one knows chaldean theurgy, that the whole thing is resurrection in flesh, as in "flesh" being temple of the Spirit of Christ, so Christ in fact resurrects within you through theurgical practice that heavily relies on emotional faith. And then faithful expects to be resurrected, because of promise of rising again "just like Christ", who is formed as principle within faithful member of the christian community. So their belief in ressurection is heavily tied to forming Christ within themselves as resurrected Christ, as if a Spirit only. There's no telling of resurrection if flesh of Christ by Pauline doctrine, especially early one. Only that one forms Christ who resurrects within believer through belief alone. No one "resurrects" or gathers together that jew who died on a cross other than through believing, and then getting possessed for eternity if it works.
Christ didn't risen. Belief in risen Christ lies in the heart of believers. Its all so bothersome to be possessed by another man for no reason in particular just out of popular belief. Its nowhere else but in forming Christ in the heart just for sake of enslaving oneself to someone you don't really belong to.
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0fcf06 No.188668
>>188656
A God of personal salvation is expected to fulfill the desires of his individual followers, it's their own subjective aspirations that form the basis of the alignment, the rest of the World is generally against such.
The Morning star as the Masculine expression of Venus is the cult of the supreme individualist were subjectivity challenges the Objective order and is a basis for conflict, but the wisdom and reason of the Masculine archetype in theory involves transforming the subjective desires of individuals into an harmonious order, which can only be achieved through checking their desires and balancing the subjective with the objective.
This is more refined than the absolute willfulness of Inanna, but that is the principle of first self awareness that takes precedence over order. At worst this is the religion of getting what we want and to Hell with the rest, the self entitlement of Judaism, they were naturally curious and ambitious with regards to a God of self desires, the issue is what they wanted
Their own Prophets promised them the Earth and they have the desire and ambition to claim it, if others see Israel as the basis of their own personal salvation that's inevitable, but these principles never originated there, the Theology developed in Uruk, and they are Universal and Heavenly principles, there's no reason any other people cannot make it about getting what they want, and that would always be better than what jews want.
https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Inanna-Ishtar-as-Paradox-and-a-Coincidence-of-Harris/4959a39cb8c8c200d94fea26878398df914351dc
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ba6c07 No.188699
>>188599
>But God of Israel usually mistakenly assumed to be fully male.
Sure, we are told that but IMO it should be clearly evident just from reading the OT that God is female. Once I actually read it critically I understood God was female. Only a female would come up with something as contraindicated as Liberty as a concept. It is just so novel and sort of unreal that I simply will never believe that a man thought of it or could have conceived it.
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0fcf06 No.188854
Could it be said, given the syncretic nature of all this, that Christianity is/was an aspect of the greater cult of Aion?
>A statue of Aion from Ostia, now in the Vatican, shows a gradual attempts to establish a universal and all-embracing divinity by ascribing a variety of attributes to the god. On his chest are Jupiter's thunderbolts flanked by two keys, and beside his feet are the hammer and tongs of Vulcan, the magic wand of Mercury, the cock of Aesculapius and the pine-cone of Attis. The keys indicate Janus, the Roman god who, as gate-keeper of heaven, opens the gates at sunrise and closes them again at sunset. According to Marcus Messala, a consul of 53 B.C., Janus was the same as Aion. Macrobius goes further and says that Janus created and ruled the Universe and that his four heads symbolize his power over the four winds of the cosmos. In his important work on Hermeticism, Festugiere has recently pointed out that Messala's views correspond with Aristotle's.
>This brings us to the question of the place of Aion in Greek philosophy. Here the essential significance is life-force, the vital spirit. On the one hand he is identified with the heavens or the cosmos, on the other he is creator of the absolute, eternal and divine nature. It is with this concept in mind that we must read the inscription on a statue of Aion found at Eleusis and dedicated in the time of Augustus: 'to the might of Rome and the perpetuation of the mysteries'. This Aion is a divine character who 'by his holy nature remains ever the same, who has no beginning or end, undergoes no change and who is the begetter of the divine nature'.
https://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Religions/iranian/Mithraism/m_m/pt6.htm
https://www.roger-pearse.com/mithras/display.php?page=cimrm103
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91a543 No.188861
>>188854
Christianity at its original nature that caused a culture changing mob to be formed is a cult of a perfect man, perfect Adam. Who's similar to Greek God of Love - Eros, especially primordial Orphic Eros as Phanes, through who ages are created (either as Zeus becoming Eros for a moment of creation, or Eros simply being another name for Phanes, God of Light and Love). Greeks tried many times to create representation for such perfect Spirit to be posessed by, and failed. Herakles, Dionysus and Mithra are remembered as mere myths. Hellenized Jews succeeded where greeks failed. That said perfect man is Son of God, not neccessary YHWH, for He calls him only Pater, which makes Him encompass all ideas of unknown Deus being His Father, and synergizing perfectly with gentile knowledge. Who commits all forms of perfected demonstration of His love, as well as perfects the law, up to sacrificing Himself for mankind.
So the child of true Humanity is equal to Ben Adam and perfect man of Paul, believing into the one who they never saw, "image of the Invisible God":
Ephesians 4:13
>Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Colossians 1:15
>Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
The simple sacramental corpoetry i get from the earliest Pauline and gnostic approach, is that people invoke the Spirit of Jesus through belief, belief makes them born again, "resurrects" Jesus in their flesh. Flesh becomes Temple, not Psyche alone, hence forbiddance of fornication is the highest forbiddance, to not make body of God son of a whore:
1st Corinthians 3:16
>Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1st Thessalonians 4:3-4
>For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour;
1st Corinthians 6:15
>Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.
Not because its merely evil, but because after cleaning ones sins with baptismal waters, fornication is an offense to body belonging to Christ.
Every single believer actually imagined Jesus differently, before they started to make "sacred images" to control imaginary narrative and ended up with angry bearded jew, and not sacramental enigma. That perfect loving Son of God ended up being a hardened jew in one mind, a Dionysus-like androgyny in the other (for male and female are Adam, Christ had to be "whole" adam, maybe the real reason behind virgin birth).
Galatians 3:28
>There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Last but not least focusing on Pneuma Hagion instead of daimonia allowed for highest claim on purity of Christ's Spirit, distancing this cult from all emanations that could be refered to as daimonia. Reality on both resurrection and fornications however are in question of the temple of Flesh of the perfect Adam. And all perfect adams are bound by spiritual scarlet thread of the heritage of the seed, that includes Mary extra unified from conceiving. For that's still Christ's Spirit acting through one of His perfect Adams, especially after unity through immaculate conception.
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5a9a64 No.188879
>>188861
>perfect man of Paul
Jews could never be 'perfect man', it is absolutely grotesque for you to make that comparison. Jews are parasites. They are the antithesis of perfection.
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f00a9d No.188893
As far as so called destroyed "Gospel of Eve" goes, you cannot really say "Evangelion of Eva", for the biblion of zoe already a thing. Its just Gospel of Life, "brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:" hence 2 Timothy 1:10. Its wouldn't be a thing since Bible IS Gospel of Eve.
What i am more interesting is one specific psalm, psalm 69 (kjv)
"To the chief Musician upon Shoshannim, A Psalm of David."
It has yet another message about the flood "I sink in deep mire, where there is no standing: I am come into deep waters, where the floods overflow me" (second passage) and it relates flood to death "Let not the waterflood overflow me, neither let the deep swallow me up, and let not the pit shut her mouth upon me." (15th passage) but it also has a convenient mention of Book of the Living, line 28: "Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous."
Book of the Living is most likely the Bible itself. What is Mother to the Word than the vessel on which Word is written? If Eve/Mary/Zoe/Chay is all about the book, then something interesting emerges from the other side, that is of whore of Babylon, one would think she's as her own temple would also be represented by the book and a different kind of wine.
Unless Babylon is simply the Internet, and Internet in light of God is seen as communally written book (for in all honesty humanity is like a hive of bees, all about collective intelligence), and derives itself from Babel rather than Babylon. Everyone in new age blames catholics on it, and while i see the point it doesn't complete it. Because catholicism is a dying breed and its most certainly not all over the world. But everyone is drunk from fornications of the internet (Rev 17:2).
It fits for antichrist/beast to shut internet down for propaganda purposes, it fits for all ship dwellers in Revelation 18:17-18
>" For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off, And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!"
To be crying about their reddits and facebergs and internet businesses, especially if they find a way for immortality, hence Rev 18:7.
But more specific:
Revelation 18:9
>And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,
Revelations 18:11
>And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more
You see, ALL merchants of entire earth. Because nobody is buying or selling anything without it anymore.
Mothers and wives sometimes are represented by books, and books by trees, which real symbolism is in scarlet thread of heritage. And internet heritage is like heritage of entire humanity, and a new tower of babel.
Revelation 17:5
>And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
Harlots here is πορνων, Pornon. If of course babel is to be viewed as judaic tendency, from production of porn, then yes its Jerusalem/Israel, maybe then Islam or communism as the closest beast to tackle the jews. But its the internet and what internet will turn into in the future that is to fall.
Then abomination of ceasing of oblations told from Daniel is in fact abomination of ceasing of spirituality:
Daniel 9:27
>And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Matthew 24:15
>When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
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c8f80c No.189047
I also came to realization of something yet simpler.
The problem i have with Christianity is that Jesus advised to pray to the Pater (Heavenly Father), everyone knows famous prayer Jesus Himself advised to pray with. Yes, Jesus and Father are One, but Jesus is well pointed out to be like a lord of authority, friend and shepherd:
Galatians 4:6
>And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
John 15:14
>Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
John 15:15
>Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
Friends here is φιλους.
Revelation 3:21
>To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
In Rev 19:10 it is said "testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy"
And:
Philippians 3:3
>For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
So early Christians rejoiced in Jesus Christ, but worshiped God in Spirit, for testimony of Jesus is to worship God.
In Heavenly Father prayer of Jesus first line in greek is:
πατερ ημων ο εν τοις ουρανοις αγιασθητω το ονομα σου
Pater imon o en dees ouranees,agiatheeto to onoma sou.
Second line:
ελθετω η βασιλεια σου γενηθητω το θελημα σου ως εν ουρανω και επι της γης
elthetō hē basileia sou; genethetō to thelēma sou, hōs en ouranōi, kai epi tēs gēs;
Who is Orphic Phanes? Pater in ring of Ouranos. Even his old relief has Pater on it. Top and bottom has heaven (ouranoi) and earth (ges) symbolism of broken orphic egg. What would be woman then, clothes in the sun, below who is the moon? Since she has crown of 12 stars she's also crowned with ring of ouranos representing Heaven, wouldn't that make her Aphrodite Ourania? And knowing Phanes is dual nature wouldn't Pater be also Meter, and that explains whole fiasco with eventual worship of Mary as new identity for Pater, Ave Maria doesn't really differ from Abba Father. And that's why famous painters usually draw Mary and Venus with same face. John 19:27, "Behold, thy mother!" starts the running along Meter tradition of identity of an enthroned Pater. Who's identity is also known under epithet of Phosphoros (2 Peter 1:19 and Revelation 22:16), which is epithet of Venus and Spirit behind Jesus.
New testament is purely greek at heart. Lamb is the Word of a God who's Pater/Meter, testimony of Spirit. One would say this is a corrupted version of Orphism, but at the same time it gets behind monotheism more surely than greeks did. Without giving any credit to orpheus however, and some saying that salvation is from jews, even though Jesus criticized that, a pity (John 4:22-24):
>Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
And truly they know not what they worship.
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0fcf06 No.189057
>>188861
It's more in the sense that the Prima Causa is always justified rather than perfection, which would negate the basis for subsequent development, so the primary caisative basis of Anu, or Ouranus and Aphrodite Ourania, which correlated to the Roman Janus.
The regeneration through the Aeons will always follow the principle of first cause, a rebirth, and will follow the pattern of the birth and death of stars as the principles are Heavenly
The point i was going to make is that Christianity being a manifestation of the principles of the Aeon should expect to die, as the slaying of the previous age is essential to the generation of the new, it is not only slain it is consumed, the future feeds upon the former, that is the basis of transition
Sara the son of Inanna could also be, taken as meaning the Cosmic/Universal though it also as a verb has the sense of piercing and penetrative and he was thus a God of the Bow, like Cupid.
NIN-ME-SARA: Lady of countless cosmic powers
E-sara "House of the Universe"), was the temple dedicated to Inanna
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f74c42 No.189061
>>189057
>Prima Causa is always justified rather than perfection
Well, in hebrew world i would also connect book of the living from psalms to Eve and tree of life. It was too easy to start religion of Evangelion, message of Eve. For Adam naming Eve mother of all living was crucial for message of immortality that supposed king David simply joined into a book.
We know from history that epithet of Asherah was Chawat, similar to Chava of Eve. So its a remnant of consort of El. You know, probably "Eli", the God Jesus called before death.
Hebrew/Greek mysteries are riddle ride in a middle of a riddle. Researching on them and reading bible more deeply after knowing more context of it makes brahmanism and buddhism seem like a cruel joke on the eastern people.
But answer for all mysteries is as simple as beginning being also the end. Progenitor God being source of everything. And obviously he has some enemy/archon/satan, prince of this world working against him otherwise he would had no need to speak in riddles. As soon as Christ died not only Pharisee/Scirbe critic counted, but also jew of modern times in no more a jew, but a "synagogue of satan", so an extra attempt to demonize the jew for worshiper was needed to differentiate pure teaching from impure proto-cabal of demon binding cult of hebrews.
Basically i find it crucial to note that if we chose to see wisdom as post death survival strategy, then Holy Spirit only matters, and you may die without knowing conclusion of wordily mysteries unless in death. If we chose to believe that survival is not important as much as knowledge, then not only we eat from tree of knowledge, but also wisdom escapes those possessing knowledge instead of understanding. And cruel joke of God unto all those possessing knowledge, is that they posses little understanding on what they saw, i've seen enough esoterical practitioners to say that. And therefore understanding only finds those who do not seek it. And understanding is the real wisdom. Enoch 42, and Heraclituses "understanding is distinct from all other knowledge" meet together.
As far as Greeks go, Heraclitus and Orpheus might been imbued with God's Spirit. But i am not sure about Socrates. For Socrates only helped the seed of evil, together with Platonic falsehood. I also believe Jesus didn't actually said any platonic verses, its an insert into gospels by the converted Greeks/Hellenized jews. Because i've seen enough platonizing christians, they don't get the basics, Plato is at most basics only promised death at hands of reincarnating in ever changing society, requiring what, three reincarnations minimum before immortality, by his fantasy works alone like Phaedrus supposedly quoted by Jesus? He could not comprehend. Even worst people who knew about Mnemosine knew that human is just a memory. And he's either remembered like the guy crucified on the right hand of Jesus, and lives forever, or dies. I for one know well if i lose my memory i'l just die next time i'l have to deal with babylon of virtual reality facebook-google shitshow.
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0fcf06 No.189100
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>>189061
Well it is a funny thing that Aeon is about back to basics and it has the most complex doctrines and symbolism, but a lot of that's about esoteric groups using knowledge as the means to control and generate their own narrative.
in terms of back to basics, Adamma was an androgyne Anatolian/Syriac Deity based on the terms Ada for Father and Ama for Mother, in combining the Masculine and Feminine this could represent the Pantheon, though why the Hebrews considered the Female generates from the Male is anyone's guess as well as why anyone continued reading beyond that point.
I think at this point all worldly mysteries have been pierced and penetrated, the bow can now be used to play the highest note on the fiddle, the great double doors of Janus creak open and we prepare for transition, but not of the surgical variety, the generation of the appropriate spirit.
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c215f0 No.189280
Here's a proposal though, maybe, just theoretically, anon >>159447 is right and Seth is not really malevolent, but a meek donkey. I notice not just that he helped to defeat Apep/Chaos but also he's a god of beer and i love beer. His sacred number is apparently 7 (look it up yourself).
I also suggest that we see third son of Adam, Seth, as rather Hyksos insert of their own heritage, rather than mere coincidence (but also Hittites apparently worshiped Seth on a side, and those people were aryan according to some people). While Adam may be Atum. There's also a big deal about finger of Seth, called sculptor's tool, maybe wrote commandments to Israel with it.
Seth is also associated with barren tree with no fruit and finger of God. So virginity and law. That said. Somehow Israel betrayed even ass who was on their side, weird.
Most importantly i find that Osiris is associated with good ol' triple six, i am even convince ruskies put Lenin into ziggurat for those esoteric reasons, to get him to become an antichrist.
But i am getting ahead of myself, without mentioning that association of Osiris with 6 and 666 being hints of certain book authors (like Mike Smith's Following Osiris Perspectives on the Osirian Afterlife from Four Millennia) and magicians i found about is mere coincidence at times, and i cannot provide more solid proof.
Basically there's a possiblity that Osiris is an anti-christ (or a person resurrect like Osiris), and Seth being "root of David" is root of Christ also. So Christ is imitation of resurrection of Osiris under purely Sethian tradition, so Sethian Gnostism derived from mere knowledge of that. But as soon as it was done, archon/osiris took over the jews as entire tribe. Maybe, just maybe, the accuser has more power than you think.
I also probably need to point out that despite Venus accusitions (which i hate in both christianity (for its just word phosphoros) and in egypt/greece), Hathor and Isis are not the same goddess. Hathor seems to be consort of Set. Isis is of Osiris. I have proofs of that in steeles and iconography. They are not the same person.
Seth is house of Christ, but no longer a house of the jews.
Osiris is house of anti-christ, and from Christ's resurrection a house of the jews too.
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e0a5eb No.189291
>>188893
Mystery Babylon is simply the remnants of Babylon. That's it. Jews are Babylonians miscegenated with niggers and the current public face of the Babylonian agenda to get revenge on the world that destroyed them. Pure Babylonians probably look more White and are hidden or blend in with us. That's all folks. Rome handled its fall more gracefully by becoming a religion with a fairly charitable reputation. Also Tolkien's dwarves are literally Mystery Babylon, the early and greedy nation cursed to go underground.
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2e5882 No.189351
>>189291
>Jews are Babylonians
Well, not just that. Spiritual transfer of Egyptian house into the house of jews was recorded in the bible.
Revelation 11:8
>And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Although Babylon is interchangeable with Egypt and Jerusalem in other instances of the bible.
I think their false messiah became Osiris, while Seth/Donkey quit them and planted wild harvest of souls outside. So deserter became deserted even out of his own desert place, it fits perfectly.
Luke 9:58
>And Jesus said unto him, Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.
Egypt had a lot of ridiculing tales about Seth, about losing his seed into the water, or about getting his testicles maimed by Horus (while stealing Horuse's eye).
What i think actually happened is that jewish house got taken like a testicle/seed of Seth by Osiris, while Seth quit them and destroyed the body of Osiris - actual Egypt. And so spirit controlling the jews is archon of egyptian nature, while real God causing confusion (secretive Bacchic lord, Phanes) is an outcast.
Therefore instead of fleshy seed Seth got spiritual seed. A maimed God praised holiness of his inability to reproduce, and cult of virginity tied to Christianity.
Seth, Jesus, Dionysus all makers of this wine of confusion.
I think both Egyptian gods and Semitic god are absolutely real. Its just their conflict is on the next level of comprehension. Scarlet thread begins with Seth.
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57b790 No.189360
I also wanted to write my speculation on Cain's sacrifice, if its related to cult of Osiris. Because there are two things related to Cain, one is that to god of agriculture they sacrificed produce of agriculture.
But also humans:
>The human heads on the tombs of Osiris probably represent a tradition that, when Osiris was buried, human sacrifices were offered at his tomb
Cain attempted to make God Himself a vegetarian and then started killing humans out of love of animals. He loves animals more than humans, hence called the beast.
We know first murderer was in fact Cain, and John 8:44 is a hint on it:
John 8:44
>Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Cainite offspring is the very murderer satan and offspring of vegans, showing itself against God related to beer and meat, wine and fish. Traditions of jews and egyptians are inversion of each other, and buddhist "man sitting on lotus" tradition is part of tradition of Osiris, hence hate of fishermen, as if fishermen are not noble for killing fish and care for animal nature as if everything has buddha nature and animals are equal to humans.
What i wonder where Hitler comes in here. From cainite tradition Hitler was vegan, but jews ridicule Hitler as if he had single testicle, which is a hint on Seth, just like six million supposedly dead kikes is a hint at Osiris.
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53cf45 No.189435
>>180652
I think hair is more significant than you think. I always questioned hem of the garment, it appears to be hebrew thing that looks like fringes and locks upon their robes.
Matthew 14:36
>And besought him that they might only touch the hem of his garment: and as many as touched were made perfectly whole.
The word here for hem is kraspedon, thing's a tzitzit in hebrew:
>“Speak unto the children of Israel, and bid them that they make them fringes in the borders of their garments throughout their generations, and that they put upon the fringe of the borders a ribband of blue: And it shall be unto you for a fringe, that ye may look upon it, and remember all the commandments of the Lord, and do them; and that ye seek not after your own heart and your own eyes, after which ye use to go a whoring: That ye may remember, and do all my commandments, and be holy unto your God.” Numbers 15:38-40 KJV
>6734 tsiytsith tsee-tseeth' feminine of 6731; a floral or wing-like projection, i.e. a forelock of hair, a tassel:–fringe, lock.
Catholic Rosary tradition is continuation of those magical fringes.
At Pentecost apostles also saw what appeared unto them as cloven tongues of fire, when Holy Spirit resided upon them: Acts 2:3
>And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
Which of course seemingly familiar to burning bush of Moses:
Exodus 3:2
>And the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.
What's seems to me is that tongues of flame, and the branches of the bush, as if of a tree of life, are akin to fringes/kraspedon things, serve as connectors of sort. Hem of the garment was always concealing thing, as garment conceals nakedness. Where nakedness and flesh are associated with word basar like in Job 4:15 "Then a spirit passed before my face; the hair of my flesh stood up:"
And there's also Matthew 28:9
>And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.
As you see the desire to touch Him arises in disciples when they see Him: John 20:17
>Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
But that obviously includes the hair of the garment. I have an idea, that flocks of hair, tzitzit are related to Samson story. Samson was given strength by his hair and Jesus associates powers that through faith make people whole by touching Him:
Luke 8:46
>And Jesus said, Somebody hath touched me: for I perceive that virtue is gone out of me.
When hair of Samson was cut, "Lord departed from him":
Judges 16:20
>And she said, The Philistines be upon thee, Samson. And he awoke out of his sleep, and said, I will go out as at other times before, and shake myself. And he wist not that the Lord was departed from him.
Because Lord is a Tree of Life and abiding in Him are branches:
John 15:5
>I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
Therefore branches/hair are interchangeable symbolism of abiding, being made whole with the tree of life.
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0fcf06 No.189448
>>189435
I think it's significance is due to cross cultural mistranslation or adaption, taking the Deity of Edom from the Sumerian Sara/Shara/Seir in Semitic language this means hair.
>The masculine noun שׂער (se'ar) means hair in general (Genesis 25:25, Judges 16:22)
>The feminine noun שׂערה (sa'ara) denotes a single hair (1 Samuel 14:45).
>The adjective שׂעיר (sa'ir) means hairy (Genesis 27:11 and v23 only)
the noun שרה (sara) had association with the free, fluid and the abundant and excessive, also a term to refer to a Prince/Princess, these maybe derivative of the nature of hair and it's relationship to status.
The Akkadians had done the same, turned a God of war into a hairdresser.
>Holy Inana answered the demons: "Šara is my singer, my manicurist and my hairdresser. How could I turn him over to you?
>The one who arranges the hair at the nape of the neck, with the gaze of a wild cow, who provides good things,the son who allots the divine powers to his mother,has erected a house in your precinct, O house Umma, and taken his seat upon your dais. the house of Šara in Umma.
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66096d No.189571
I also think that bible is a science book on resurrection subject alone (book of life, biblion of zoe, evangelion), maybe inspired by egyptian science of the brain to some extend (but with Seth focus instead of Osiris focus, for Osiris is the devil to jewish science, but to modern jews Osiris is their lord again, its complicated subject that relates to anti-christ).
When it begins with jewish genesis, you have Eve being made out of rib of Adam. What remains of all creatures, especially fossilized is their bones. It is possible to resurrect a man from his bones, like Eve from a man. Even if at least ashes remain.
Golgotha is a place of a skull, Christ is a middle, who is risen, egg of consciousness, his right hand thief crucified is a right side of a brain, the one wanting to be remembered, emotional and loving the idea of immortality. Serpent risen from the Cross. Eve.
Left side of the brain is annihilated and bought down, to hell, serpent that goes down to hell, Adam. Because he doubts and doesn't believe Jesus.
It really completes itself when it is explained your left side of the brain doesn't really survive and goes to hell. And your consciousness, where attached, will go where your "heart" (i.e. middle of the brain or neural network of literal heart, because it has little neural network inside itself, look it up) belongs.
Matthew 24:40
>Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Matthew 24:41
>Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Its all symbolism that you have two men inside you. Left brain and right brain. Only one remains (right one) at apocalypse that is your death. Consulting the left brain leads to hell and damnation.
In a way its genius that orthodoxes drew Jesus making Eve out of Adam, because it mirrors resurrection in flesh. Christ rises in flesh, and flesh is the one being resurrect, therefore immortal flesh is angelic/evangelic. It completes the cycle from remains. That's why bones are important. Man's flesh is risen from his bones. Its actually purely material.
When Christ will conduct a second coming, people are going to get resurrected from bones/ashes, while in between experience state of sleep between death and resurrection.
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66096d No.189572
I also want to say that you have dick and balls inside your brain, penetrating the skull iself. Dick part is represented by Medulla and Pons, that's a Lingam inside brain's Yoni and Cross in Golgotha, and Tree of Life in between the waters in Rev 22:2. Thalamus are two eggs.
Akin to how one eye of Horus and one testicle of Seth get damaged, same happens at the moment of death and resurrection, left Thalamus gets annihilated only right part remains spiritually. And either copied over or covered later.
Sometimes represented by a scarab/daemon/goddess with raised hands but point is same from dissected brain depending on impression people get from dissecting a brain prior to mummification the first time. That's why egyptian science was so advanced, because their mummification practiced led them to unveiling this knowledge.
Jesus gave understanding to jews from their obsession, within Sethian tradition, as remnants of Hysos teaching, knowing they are both foreigners and deserters from Egypt, outside of influence of Osiris teaching, but they didn't accept because knowledge at this point was even foreign to them. Otherwise they wouldn't end up hordes of cain or asked to repent for blood of Abel himself:
Luke 11:51
>From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation.
In a way Seth did made himself an offspring, both of those claim to be the righteous ones in order to preserve their seed, not really opposites in science, but opposite in spiritual houses.
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031bdd No.189600
Actually you know what, fuck it. Whole thing is ancient anatomy of brain and skull related to hemispheres and active character represented by more active eye/hemisphere. Left hemisphere is tree of knowledge of good and evil, right hemisphere is higher self capable of ascending. Religious/Philosophic thought all happens at right hemisphere, unless its algebraic/alphabetic cabal crap. Hindus also dabbed into this back in the day, but without hiding it too much.
There appears to be ancient neuroscience at core of all religions, some superstitious, some capable of being differently interpenetrated. But its a necessity for crowd population control, for some ancients appear to be smart beyond belief to know how to lobotomize people through psychological brainwashing.
It is also said in prophecy about anti-christ in Zechariah 11:17
>Woe to the idol shepherd that leaveth the flock! the sword shall be upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened.
Its also pointed out that
Matthew 6:22
>The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
Changes inside glands connected to thalamus affect entire body. Its one of the most popular things in egyptian sciences.
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b9218d No.189643
The Exodus is a war of Seth against Ra, the hebrew word Evil is simply Ra. All curses of Moses were against the Sun specifically. Book i am reading on Seth plainly states Seth became stereotype of God of the Semites, making Egyptian first ever anti-semitism felt.
He actually had a temple in Sinai as Nempty:
>In the aforementioned stela from the Sinai in which Nemty is called “Lord of the East”, however, Nemty is depicted with the head of the Seth-animal.
And sported human head eventually.
https://1lib.us/book/814688/8f3fd9
https://archive.is/CvhNa
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b9218d No.189647
>>189643
Oops, forgot the images.
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c3ebcd No.190082
I was looking up 153 for meanings, aside of 153000 builders of Solomon's temple in 2 Chronicles Chapter 2, line 2:
>And Solomon told out threescore and ten thousand men to bear burdens, and fourscore thousand to hew in the mountain, and three thousand and six hundred to oversee them.
Of course it implied building of the new temple of Solomon as in Church implied to be new temple in John 21:11
I decided to check out something really stupid instead. You know how χξς in old greek is 666? Well, 153 in old greek is ρνγ (which of course should had been a big deal for byzantium calculations).
Some greek blog relates bunch of names to it:
https://ellinikiglossa-lexarithmoi.blogspot.com/2015/09/153.html
But in old calculations Maria Magdalene fits the most. Probably real authorship of John's gospel, as many thought.
That said. ρνγ reads as Rho Nu Gamma. Either english language generated in such a way it fits RNG perfectly into it, or people who've been making jokes about RNGesus weren't making blasphemies.
Its some next level of cosmic irony.
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c3ebcd No.190087
Man, really wanted to post this. Heraclitus rightfully said
>The most beautiful order of the world is still a random gathering of things insignificant in themselves.
This Magdalene-Phanes from random shitty japanese mobage is a great example of randomness of life, at times. Although i cannot blame anyone comparing orphic cult to christianity.
Talking about it, Φανης/Phanes is actually in the bible as a word, but mentioned only once. It is about appearing to Father in secret:
Matthew 6:18
>οπως μη φανης τοις ανθρωποις νηστευων αλλα τω πατρι σου τω εν τω κρυπτω και ο πατηρ σου ο βλεπων εν τω κρυπτω αποδωσει σοι εν τω φανερω
>That thou appear not unto men to fast, but unto thy Father which is in secret: and thy Father, which seeth in secret, shall reward thee openly.
φανης here is to "appear", where Φανης as a name means "bring to light" or "make appear" from the Greek verbs phanaô and phainô. Also to "shine" or to "lighten".
It is said about Dionysus in hymn that he's ineffable, secretive:
>Just like the god, so too the cult. It is a typical characteristic of mystery cults that certain aspects of their rites are known only to the privileged few who have undergone initiation; cf. “pure” in line 4.
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d8afea No.190124
Well, ill continue to write what i find out until i get bored, not like /pnd/ is full of interesting threads right now.
I noticed Magdalene turned twice in John 20:14 and 20:16
>And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus.
And
>Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
And it correlates with earlier John 20:12
>And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.
As i've shown earlier IESUS means 70 >>179815 , the assembly of sons of El, who also used to marry human women back at Genesis (6:2). I suspect its Sons of God and Son is same, because its angelic hivemind. I don't know why John went mental over Jesus ascending in flesh in second epistle of John, for it appears to be that Jesus is all angels, just like God of book of Genesis is (who addresses himself as multiplicity and came to Abraham as trinity in Genesis 18:2). Unless it implies flesh as understanding flesh inside you and worshiper's fleshy brain, i.e. temple of Christ as currently wielded flesh (1st Corinthians 6:15). And Jesus is angelic hivemind itself, including angel-like ascended saints (hence body of Christ). So body is a temple of the Angel who sees face of the Lord in heaven Matthew 18:10
>Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.
And John 1:51
>And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.
Means angels ascending/descending into bodies of mankind. So same process of marriage from Genesis 6:2. And it does cause calamity and wars as on heaven as on earth:
Genesis 6:5
>And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually
Matthew 10:34
>Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Point of whole unification process of higher/lower self is that it brings forth same calamity that was in times of Noah (i.e. when marriage of the 70 was committed prior to total obliteration), there's even a hint on it in Matthew 24:36-41:
>But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
The marriage here is not human marriage. Its an angelic/evangelic marriage of higher and lower selves, its same marriage with Sons of God. And just like at Golgotha (skull), one is taken (Eli/Eva), and other is left (Flesh/Adam). Ark is your brain.
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767125 No.190313
To bring something to the OP about Sirius and its change of color compared to movement of the sun. Heraclitus said:
>The sun will never change the rhythm of its motion. If it did, the Erinyes, agents of justice, would bring it to trial.
Erinyes are three agents of justice, The Furies, Greek Goddesses of Vengeance & Retribution.
Jesus said in John 12:31
>Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
Isn't this is the source of judgement of the demigod in gnostic tradition?
As i pointed out in >>189647 Exodus 10:10 speaks against egyptian god Ra. As in general its against world's order.
Egyptians had a God called "Yah", but that's also name of the Luna:
>Iah (Egyptian: jˁḥ) is a lunar deity in ancient Egyptian religion. The word jˁḥ simply means "Moon". It is also transcribed as Yah, Yah(w), Jah, or Aah.
It is also worthy of pointing out that prior to destruction of the sun (Rev 21:23) and prior to pouring out vial on the sun to burn people alive (Rev 16:8), and prior to opening Abaddon/Apollyon up, angel of bottomless pit (Rev 9:11), moon turns red like blood:
Revelation 6:12
>And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
When Jesus was crucified they gave him scarlet robe:
Matthew 27:28
>And they stripped him, and put on him a scarlet robe.
Which is in Revelation 19:13 mentioned as dipped in blood:
>And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Mind you not a single angel out of Seven in Revelation 16 pours vial of God's wrath on the Moon. They pour it at Earth, at Sea, at Rivers, at Sun at Seat of the Beast, at great river Euphrates and into the air. Moon meanwhile is dipped in blood.
In many occult traditions Angel Gabriel is angel of the moon. The one who came to Mary with the Word (Luke 1:28).
How come its all Lunar? On top of that Arthemis, deity of the moon, is perpetual Virgin: >>159936
And its said about Church/Mary who has moon below her feet, that she's clothed into the sun because she reflects the sun, i.e. moon kingdom (Rev 12:1).
So three Mary's under cross (John 19:25) ARE Chaldean Hecate, because they symbolize three states of the moon and three days of moon's darkness:
>The duration of a dark moon varies between 1.5 and 3.5 days
Revelation 11:11
>And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
This whole thing is a lunar cult which combats the sun deity. And that's why Hecate, Goddess of CROSSroads is building so many temples with a complex temple system as Mary. Hence she appears in visions asking exactly for that, like in the visions at tepeyac to Juan Diego asking him to build a teocalli. Also whole deal with Keys of Hecate (Greek temple key bearers, kleidouchos) also remind me of Church's keys (Matthew 16:19, Revelation 1:18).
That however all means that sun is most likely lucifer/broken demigod that is judged and to be removed, Venus/God of Love is Iesus, held by Moon like Arthemis holds Venus arrow. Meanwhile associating sun with god would be heresy. This all of course brings me to some correlations with Islam, but where Christianity hides it cleverly, muslims are blatant.
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0fcf06 No.190332
>>190313
There's always a potential double meaning to the various Marys, the Hebrew basis for the name is Marah meaning bitter, the potential Egyptian mry meaning beloved, in the story of Moses the bitter waters of Marah are made sweet through a piece of wood being placed into them, Mithra fired an arrow into the rock to bring forth waters.
http://www.grahamphillips.net/mountain/mountain3.html
>Aiming a flexed bow at a rockface, the great God shot an arrow. The arrow struck the rock, and from that rock water flowed, allowing one of the brothers to cup their hands and catch the water, feeding the brothers with the heavenly nourishment of the rock’s nectar. Mithras is the ever-flowing spring and bestower of water, and from this rock He struck sprung flowers. This miracle scene may be a reaffirmation of Mithras being able to bring forth Spirit within Matter.
The natural spirit of the Sinai wilderness was bitter, the destructive aspect of the Feminine, Manat, it would require Egyptian magic or at least etymology to make them sweet.
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4bdc20 No.190358
>>190332
I am also concerned about legend of Elijah, that Jesus and NT multiple times pointed out towards as spirit of John the Baptist.
אֵלִיָּהוּ, Eli Yah would be "Moon El", "Moon God". Or "My God is Moon", rather than yahweh, if we account Egyptian meaning of Yah.
1 Kings 17:6
>And the ravens brought him bread and flesh in the morning, and bread and flesh in the evening; and he drank of the brook.
Luke 12:24
>Consider the ravens: for they neither sow nor reap; which neither have storehouse nor barn; and God feedeth them: how much more are ye better than the fowls?
The raven is symbol of both moon bird (from hekate's associates of the night, with owl, raven and wolves) and an ascetic here, "neither sow nor reap; which neither have storehouse nor barn". Both Elijah and John were ascended Lunar ascetics.
I also think Isaiah's prophecy was actually positive:
Isaiah 34:11
>But the cormorant and the bittern shall possess it; the owl also and the raven shall dwell in it: and he shall stretch out upon it the line of confusion, and the stones of emptiness.
Because of another association of wolf dwelling with the lamb:
Isaiah 11:6
>The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
What is interesting is that Elijah with Yah as moon gets really damaged by NT greek language where he's called Elias/Helias, because that's too close to Helios the sun god. But in reality it meant the moon. And also:
Matthew 17:12
>But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.
Also Spirit of Moon rest upon Elisha, female, transferred after Elijah's ascension.
2 Kings 2:9
>And it came to pass, when they were gone over, that Elijah said unto Elisha, Ask what I shall do for thee, before I be taken away from thee. And Elisha said, I pray thee, let a double portion of thy spirit be upon me.
2 Kings 2:15
>And when the sons of the prophets which were to view at Jericho saw him, they said, The spirit of Elijah doth rest on Elisha. And they came to meet him, and bowed themselves to the ground before him.
From catholic legends some testify that Magdalene went to become naked ascetic just like John after whole thing and lifted up to heavens. Mind your notice, that they bow to Elisha as if to God.
Semitic religions are all Anti-Sun, Asurya. But judaism was criticized at its post crucifixion state by revelations that they are synagogue of satan, so the stuff is more complicated.
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4bdc20 No.190360
Actually ignore why i thought Elisha was a female name, just a brain fart
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e373fe No.190377
>>190332
Just because Mithras can put his dick (sword, arrow, etc) into a place it doesn't belong, doesn't mean the water came from him as your comment implies.
>>190360
Of course, Elisha is female. People who are waiting for Elijah are humorous. It is in the very name EL (god) isha (woman) so it is the God Woman…or Nyx.
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61bf25 No.190414
>>190377
>Elisha
But Elisha who you say is EL (god) isha (woman), who received spirit of Elijah who i say El (god) yah (egyptian for moon), was a man in the bible. Maybe its the same situation as with Kuan Yin being androgynous, and Magdalene pretending to be John.
But oh my moon goddess like to parade herself as a man, for some reason, if that's true. It actually has a reason for this in 1 Samuel 10:6:
>And the Spirit of the Lord will come upon thee, and thou shalt prophesy with them, and shalt be turned into another man.
The "man" in this verse is specifically 'iysh, not adam as in general. Its this verse that's an inspiration behind last line in gospel of thomas.
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b6167e No.190435
>>190414
Interesting. Doesn't really explain what it means to 'become a man' though.
There are some interesting things about Elisha in the Bible and I have always wondered if Elisha was, indeed, a male. Globohomo jews would interpret it as transgenderism but I think God is more refined and less interested in the physical manifestation.
Boy is this website acting weird today.
About the only thing it could mean is that as Tiamat is saltwater (bitter) and Abzu is freshwater that to 'become a man' means that you are not 'salty' anymore or that you are no longer, 'the accuser'. <<Alchemical tie of the day for me.
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b6167e No.190437
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0fcf06 No.190439
>>190358
I think it's relating tp El saving and Yah saving and El-yah saving, Elishu'a and Yahshu'a being reconciled
> Hebrew name אֱלִישַׁע ('Elisha'), a contracted form of אֱלִישׁוּעַ ('Elishu'a) meaning "my God is salvation".
> Hebrew name אֱלִיָּהוּ ('Eliyyahu) derived from the elements אֵל ('el) and יָה (yah), both referring to the Hebrew God.
>>190377
Alright if you insist he just shot a hole in the rock, but the water that emerged was as sweet as nectar.
>The ritual re-enactment of the water-miracle was surely also the context of one of the most significant lines at Sta. Prisca, foes concluse petris qui geminos aluisti nectare fratres, 'you rock-bound spring,who nourished the twin brothers with nectar'
https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/60638651.pdf
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b6167e No.190453
>>190439
If I shot a hole in you, your blood would spill out everywhere and you would die…would you class that as a 'good thing' as well?
He is just delighted by his rape…since someone (Eve) who never had sex can't possibly give consent because there is no way for them to understand what they are consenting too; it is simply trickery, rather than a mutual act.
The same thing happens with dicks and vaginas. When you 'shatter the soul' of a woman she bleeds because before your put your dick in her, she belonged totally to God…meaning that she could partake in the original parthenogenesis here on the Planet (or the birth of Gods; souls/Gods conceived from the voice of God rather than nasty 'pro'-creation of men) right up until you put your dick in her. Ass(holes; meaning both of them) are for things to come OUT OF not for things to go into and this is easily proved because all of the Sons of God are conceived through parthenogenesis rather than having a lowly/defective mortal as a father.
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3a458e No.190531
>>190439
>he just shot a hole in the rock, but the water that emerged was as sweet as nectar
>you rock-bound spring,who nourished the twin brothers with nectar
>>190453
>If I shot a hole in you, your blood would spill out everywhere and you would die
So, are you aware what you're talking about? Blood and water from heart of Jesus:
John 19:34
>But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.
Instead of breaking his legs they pierced his side, because a bone of him shall not be broken, from Psalms 34:20
>He keepeth all his bones: not one of them is broken.
Don't forget that a rib, a bone close to heart, is from what Eve was made, i find immortality of bones very specific here. Because resurrection in jewish religion is tied to dry bones:
Ezekiel 37:4-6
>Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the Lord. Thus saith the Lord God unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live: And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the Lord.
By the way, how the hell jews didn't believed in immortality when they know those Ezekiel words is news to me. Apparently they interpreted them as resurrection of a state of Israel, not resurrection of bodies. I wonder how materialistic you must be to even consider this.
And both of those blood and water are part of the mystery of trinity (hence death and giving up of three substances (Spirit, Water, Blood) also happens right after pointing out that three Mary's stood by the cross):
1 John 5:6-8
>This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
At the moment of blood and water pouring out, Jesus was already dead, John 19:30
>When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
So He first gives up Ghost/Pneuma, then blood and water coming out.
I suspect part of piercing is to make Jesus Kosher or something like that? Because jews always pour out blood out of animals they're eating. Especially if its a sacrificial lamb:
Deuteronomy 15:23
>Only thou shalt not eat the blood thereof; thou shalt pour it upon the ground as water.
The only thing i know only from rumors is that modern jews pour out blood before animal dies, not after.
I am suspecting at the moment of giving up ghost and tasting vinegar, Spirit actually rests on Magdalene in same way Elijah gives portion of his Spirit to Elisha. And Elisha becomes a man at that moment. So words from John 19:26-27 (Behold thy son, behold thy mother) actually same thing as 2 Kings 2:15. And that's why Magdalene is toiling before Jesus comes (21:22) and why she saw Jesus resurrect first (20:18). Process of Moon God resting upon Woman God.
That's why right iconography is: word/sword inside Mary. Two angels of covenant on the sides of the tomb who Mary talks to, as if herself being a tomb. Its that's why Mary is ark of covenant, androgyny who renames herself into John. It also completes meaning of dual nature of God.
Matthew 12:50
>For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
Mark 3:35
>For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.
Notice how this trinity is setup: Mother Mary, Sister Mary and finally Brother Mary. Last one being like Elisha.
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3a458e No.190544
>>190435
>There are some interesting things about Elisha in the Bible and I have always wondered if Elisha was, indeed, a male.
Last thing but not least would be completion of the circle. That if Magdalene -> John was a thing, then John the Baptist may as well be same person. What is said about John is that he'd tarry until Christ comes (John 21:23), i.e. like John the Baptist, who supposedly tarried prior to John/Magdalene tarrying prior to second coming. In 1 Kings 19:19 it is said:
>So he departed thence, and found Elisha the son of Shaphat, who was plowing with twelve yoke of oxen before him, and he with the twelfth: and Elijah passed by him, and cast his mantle upon him.
That is tarrying of Elisha prior to coming of Elijah. So three women (Elisha, John the Baptist, John/Magdalene) three times tarrying prior to coming of Elijah, Christ, Second coming of Christ. Also mantle of Elijah, probably scarlet cloak is significant here.
In fact "born of women" (γεννητοις γυναικων/gennitois gynaikon) in Luke 7:28:
>For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.
Is two lines prior of Jesus saying in Luke 7:31:
>And the Lord said, Whereunto then shall I liken the men of this generation? and to what are they like?
Using word men in this line used as "ανθρωπους".
Not only John the Apostle knows everything John the Baptist said in his writings, but what is interesting is that John the Apostle was never called like other apostles, you cannot pinpoint the moment John started following Jesus (he/she may be a Spirit though). It is however right after Jesus speaks about John the Baptist, in same chapter up to Luke 7:35, comparing Himself to John, Woman with Alabaster's Jar (Magdalene) anoints Christ with hair at Luke 7:36-7:50.
In three out of four Gospels Herod is afraid that John the Baptist has risen from the dead, but he confuses him with Jesus. Meanwhile Elias appears to Jesus on a mountain:
Matthew 14:2
>And said unto his servants, This is John the Baptist; he is risen from the dead; and therefore mighty works do shew forth themselves in him.
Matthew 17:3
>And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.
Mark 6:14
>And king Herod heard of him; (for his name was spread abroad:) and he said, That John the Baptist was risen from the dead, and therefore mighty works do shew forth themselves in him.
Disciples actually gathered beheaded corpse of John, and right after that reported to Jesus:
Mark 6:29-30
>And when his disciples heard of it, they came and took up his corpse, and laid it in a tomb. And the apostles gathered themselves together unto Jesus, and told him all things, both what they had done, and what they had taught.
Mark 9:4
>And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.
Luke 9:7
>Now Herod the tetrarch heard of all that was done by him: and he was perplexed, because that it was said of some, that John was risen from the dead;
Luke 9:30
>And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias:
Probably because all this time Spirit of Moon God El-Yah, spirit of Elijah, is simply immortal. And constantly changes names, just like YHVH and Elohim does, which is an obvious trait. Also Gabriel and Mother-Father, if we go further. The Logos is Son of the one who bears witness, the mother and author of fourth gospel. "I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness" John 1:23. If Christ is a Word, then Elias is the Voice. And Moses is maker of ark and of tabernacle (human body):
Mark 9:5
>And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
Those three are Angels/Gods. Human only when in tabernacle form, supra-human when out.
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0fcf06 No.190546
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>>190453
Well Mithra was born from the rock so he was giving of his own substance, but a rock is non-feeling and non-sentient prima-materia, given that they also took the Cosmos as a cavern.
It is the Masculine role to be piercing and penetrative, without this you have inertia and very little else, in the case of the archer God Sara this is however an extension of the metaphysical dynamics of the Venusian cult, and it doesn't get more Feminine than that.
>>190531
Mithra shooting the rock is the most glaring example of Edomite parallels in Mithraism, the earliest symbolism of which occurs in Egypt around the 3rd century BC, preparing the way for Aeon Du-Shara and going back to Qos meaning bow as the original God of Edom
>Qōs became identified with Quzah, "the archer" in the north Arabian pantheon, worshiped both as a mountain and a weather god. The similarity of the name would have permitted an assimilation of Qōs to the Arabian god of the rainbow, qaws quzaḥ
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qos_(deity)
>A stele is dedicated to Qos-allah 'Qos is Allah' or 'Qos the god', by Qosmilk (melech - king) is found at Petra
>There is continuing debate about the nature of Qos (qaus - bow) who has been identified both with a hunting bow (hunting god) and a rainbow (weather god) although the crescent above is also a bow.
It's also something of an exercise in deep penetration tactics to have established this cult in Edom, and later the Roman army…
>"Like Šara, Inana's beloved son, shoot forth with your barbed arrows like a sunbeam, shoot forth with reed-arrows like moonlight! May the barbed arrows be a horned viper to those they hit!
A God of Heavenly light penetrating the darkness.
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d2e9be No.190563
About your claim on cult of Aion being tied to all of this, here's a deal with triple Moon God YHVH (Hayah Hoveh Yiyheh, to Peter appeared as Moses, Elijah, Christ, to Abraham as three men). Moon knows past, present and future, floating on a river of time. YHVH hides meaning for three names of God, past, present and future, who always is, but also moon through Yah which is mentioned 50 times in the Old Testament. Chaldean theurgy is comparable to hebrew worship because chaldeans channeled time Gods through Hekate, also represented by three states of the moon. The God is not bound by time, but river of time, fate itself, is Moon God's nature, having access to full line of it, able to catch fishes/get faithful servants for Her Kingdom out of this world within matter of chance (RNG).
Son Jesus Christ is a yet hidden name of future coming God. After two prophets of God, one of them Elijah, will die and be killed by Anti-Christ who i think is cultist of Osiris, and then resurrected. Elijah's work on earth will be over. He's the Destroyer in Hindu trinity.
Holy Spirit is spirit of Elijah, Androgynous Moon God/Goddess, angel of Present Day and Present Time. Who preserves souls, the Preserver in Hindu trinity. Causation of religion. Joined with Mary at causing Jesus to be, becomes Mary at will. Loves birds.
Father is Moses. Tale about Moses is not about a man making place for jews, but an ancient fashioning earth and human bodies, disguised under a tale of fake jewish adventures. Moses is a God who escaped reality of Egyptian Gods, by crossing river of time through powers of God of the future. Moses is not a historical character, but some re-named egyptian deity just like Yah or Seth-Baal. At some point spiritual civilization of our kind was convinced to wear those bodies to please God of the Future and participate in "feast" of his tabernacle (i.e. enjoyment of flesh) within Ark that's the brain, to not appear in front of the Lord empty:
Deuteronomy 16:16
>Three times in a year shall all thy males appear before the Lord thy God in the place which he shall choose; in the feast of unleavened bread, and in the feast of weeks, and in the feast of tabernacles: and they shall not appear before the Lord empty:
Nothing in bible is history, but time instead. Amalgamated in between itself, in a manner of chaldean time worship, which brought forth prophetic powers. If two will stand in one place in a name of Jesus Christ, He will be among them:
Matthew 18:20
>For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
If prophets from the past can look up what prophets of the future are doing, while prophets of the future look down to prophets of the past, for nature of God's image in men makes God present in all men regardless of time, channel together God of the Future, who ended up being named Jesus Christ.
But its not all that simple, for God is all angels represented by conditions of time, its just this trinity of Moses, Elijah and Christ is the head of all gears. What's interesting is that Blood Moon symbolizes Blood God in Jesus, Blood of the Lamb. We emerged from water in Sea of Reeds by Water God under name of Moses (or Musaeus). We exist by power of God who is Breath of Life, Pneuma. But then we'll exist only in Blood of Tree of Life.
As i understand according to narrative, is that prophet not necessary can be a good man of honor. Even according to the bible. Balaam had to be stopped by speaking ass. Jews were criticized by Jesus for their shamash laws stolen from Babylon, that unnerve the Moon God, and hammurabi laws make them satan's synagogue. Jews claimed themselves being chosen people, even though prophecies could be read as if this whole world is Israel, and there are many correlations with Chaldeans and Zoroastrians in Christian understanding of Holy Spirit as Seven Spirits of God. Scarlet Thread of prophecy is known not only in Israel, but also in some eastern countries. So yes, a real prophet even though connected to someone from the past or the future, can and able to use prophecies for personal advantage. Its like if you could access not just genetic potential of your ancestor's past, but also the future.
That said, if you don't offend Elijah and on her/his good side. Because Elijah is current Jesus.
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b6167e No.190603
I adjure you all to read the entire blog post since we are all talking about Aion/Phanes/Mithras here.
https://secretsun.blogspot.com/2020/12/mithras-morning-in-nashville.html#more
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7e1187 No.190637
>>190531
Am I aware? Perhaps.
Do I know? No, I don’t. If I knew, I wouldn’t be here with you searching.
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950441 No.190642
>>190603
To be honest that inscription was to Felix Pater, "Euphrosy nus et felix pecunia sua posuit felix pater". Its attributed to fuckton of gods such as Zeus-Helios-Mithras-Phanes.
But you know what, popular image of Inanna is also attributed to tons of goddesses such as Ereshkigal, Lilith or claimed to be Succubus.
Don't trust every depiction people claim to be depiction of this or that particular deity, it might be reused.
University of Athens claims its certainly a relief of Phanes or Mithra though: http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu//full/1991JHAS...22....1P/0000001.000.html
Also "spirit of communication" as usually could just be Hermetic tradition. That said. Interesting outlook on Maitreya being Judas, ill think about it, because in key text to Vaishnavism, Bhagavata Purana, Maitreya figures out just as much as in Buddhism.
Its technically Sun again. I know buddhism incredibly similar to Osiris-Ra traditions at times. The Cainite vegetation insanity with animals being more important than humans. Sitting on lotus flower was attested by iamblichus in egyptians solar mysteries.
Its interesting that west worships lunar religions, east worships solar ones. We're children of wolfish freedom and conflict, east adopted egyptian traditions of false peace under universal dictatorship. After all Buddha was a prince too, i.e. a Pharaoh.
I sometimes view their global conflict in relation to… fish. Jesus catches men like fish and causes massive fish catching miracles, Buddha hates fisherman, who are called "Ariya", Noble:
>The verse is spoken to a fisherman called Ariya (‘Noble’). The Buddha explains that a person who takes the lives of other beings cannot be truly noble.
Maybe egyptians aren't worthy of praise as people might think. And buddhists probably greatest enemies. Hebrews only playing part of the whole ordeal by continuing to follow babylonian shamash poison. Truth doesn't set free the ones who don't want to be free.
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7e1187 No.190644
>>190546
Why do you assume a rock is non-feeling?
All things are of God, is your conjecture that God is not in all things? Or that Mithra is non-feeling as a rock or that feeling is non-existent? Before Mithra/Marduk there was Tiamat and Abzu, the universe was made from the body of Primal Gods. Enki/Abel, father God chose to reside in Abzu, sweetwater, not here in Saltwater as his home is E-Abzu.
Just as children are born of women, Mithras was born of Gods or ‘rocks’. As a child, do you think that women have no feelings just because you were born of them? What is feeling/sentience/consciousness?
We have gone over bisecting humanity before, most people only see the bilateral symmetry of the human form but there are other not so obvious symmetries as well…the head and the genitals for instance are symmetrical but less obvious to the casual viewer.
There is a reason that there is an Alpha and an Omega; a beginning and an end to everything.
I am wandering rather aimlessly right now…I don’t even know where we are going with any of this anymore.
The water does not originate from Mithra, but from God, anymore than the mother originates from the child she bore.
Again, Abzu is freshwater (drinkable) and Tiamat is saltwater (bitter). WTF is ‘Abzu’ anyway, there are no ‘directions’ in space because it is irrelevant. So the body of Tiamat is SALT, the Earth and the body of Abzu is the Heavens where Enki/Ab (Father) El (God) resides.
Do any of you ever wonder why the traitor child Marduk murdered his own mother? I do. The interaction between Kingu/Marduk is ‘interesting’ to say the least.
Who is Phanes but the Eye above and the Eye below? If we took all the slices/instances of time and compressed them into a ‘rock’ then we would see something that energetically resembled the Vitruvian Scroll with children emerging like a fractal from their parents who then begat children yet again…just saying that it doesn’t look ‘linear’ or discrete in other dimensions at all.
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7e1187 No.190653
>>190644
What I am asking I suppose is WHAT OFFSPRINGING are we addressing here because there is more to the mythos that simply the limited constructions of humanity. Would you like to be a ‘God’? Then your offspringing must be different than the prior iterations. From yourself you must make the New Man, correct? Fashioning something new from something old. How do you drink the blood of God? Is it fresh like your ‘nectar’ or salty (of the world)? If you would become a new creation shouldn’t it involve taking the old into yourself. IDK, something is being hidden and revealed here that I haven’t conceived of yet but it is not ‘what is taught’ because that is almost totally irrelevant. Our language is nuts.
>>190642
There is only one ‘root’ anon (if it could even be called this; it probably predates ‘duality’ of salt and freshwater as well). That is what I was trying to hint at here >>190644
IDK I really need to go over everything that has been said from Aion comments onward. I have that confusion/disorder thing going on/happens right before gestalt and things solidify again (nasty reproduction yet again but conscious rather than bodily, lmfao) but I have chores and things that have to get done today instead of pondering these things. Shame really.
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7e1187 No.190673
>>190642
Aryans are just the children of Aries/Mars. Remember the whole Saturn/Mars/Venus debacle?
That said, why does he think that Phanes is Saturn/El? Elohim are present in all our myths as well ELves, ELite, etc…the Elohim are not exclusive to semites.
Theoretically [Kristians] are the children of Jupiter and Kristianity predates Christianity by hundreds or perhaps thousands of years.
The Buddhists? I thought Buddha was an Aryan? How could he be ‘royalty’ and not be Aryan/prince/Pharaoh? That doesn’t even make any sense. Is Buddha a self hating Aryan? Lol, wouldn’t be the first. Maybe his is the first ‘woke’ soiboi of the planet.
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b2af06 No.190682
I also notice something about the numbers:
Hosea 3:2
>So I bought her to me for fifteen pieces of silver, and for an homer of barley, and an half homer of barley: And I said unto her, Thou shalt abide for me many days; thou shalt not play the harlot, and thou shalt not be for another man: so will I also be for thee.
This is the number of sumerian goddess Inanna.
Genesis 37:28
>Then there passed by Midianites merchantmen; and they drew and lifted up Joseph out of the pit, and sold Joseph to the Ishmeelites for twenty pieces of silver: and they brought Joseph into Egypt.
This is the number of the sumerian sun god Shamash. Who became lord of whole egypt:
Genesis 45:9
>Haste ye, and go up to my father, and say unto him, Thus saith thy son Joseph, God hath made me lord of all Egypt: come down unto me, tarry not:
Zechariah 11:12
>And I said unto them, If ye think good, give me my price; and if not, forbear. So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver.
Zechariah 11:13
>And the Lord said unto me, Cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I was prised at of them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the Lord.
Matthew 26:15
>And said unto them, What will ye give me, and I will deliver him unto you? And they covenanted with him for thirty pieces of silver.
30 is the number of sumerian moon god Sin.
For some reason jews were eager to sell out celestial objects for pieces of silver. Inanna fits 15 pieces of silver in Hosea for a harlot. Shamash as Joseph fits in 20 pieces of silver for lord of all egypt. And Jesus fits as Sin for 30 of the moon and blood moon, 3 days and 3 nights symbolism. Silver coinage obviously babylonian hints.
>>190673
>That said, why does he think that Phanes is Saturn/El?
Phanes means "to appear", i.e. first born. Usually when paired with Nyx/Night in Proclus teaching brings meaning as daylight.
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0fcf06 No.190733
>>190644
>Why do you assume a rock is non-feeling?
I haven't seen any evidence to the contrary, there's a balance between the eternal and unmoving and the transitory and emotionally unstable, prima materia and volativity.
People often invest a great deal of emotion in stones or piles of them that are foundational in their cultural or religious identity, it's a healthy balance.
>>190603
The birth of Aion was correlated to Epiphany celebrated on January 6th, anything happening that day?
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b6167e No.190819
>>190733
Yes. But I am not certain what; so far that is just a rumor at this point and should be treated as such. Grain of salt.
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ba7b00 No.190930
Also everyone says Easter derived from Ishtar, but as i see its a reminder of the world egg geometry between earth and moon, and symbol of rabbit is there to replace risen gnostic/orphic serpent. Because bunnies are less spooky symbols than serpents. I mean really, catholics used to actually draw serpent on eucharist cup >>190544 because of John 3:14
>And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
And serpent symbolizing wisdom in Matthew 10:16
>Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
Which links wisdom of serpent with eucharist at Proverbs 9:5
>Come, eat of my bread, and drink of the wine which I have mingled.
If they used to draw serpent everywhere they would probably get people spooked sooner than with the moon bunny. That said in jewish levictus/deuteronomy laws hare is as unclean animal as a swine, but good riddance we don't care about it.
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f39503 No.190946
You know what, let me be creatively heretical for a minute, maybe gnostic heretics who claimed at transparency of body were right, because Magdalene just can't confuse angels with Jesus without a reason, Angelic hivemind of a God are not a body/tabernacle, but Spirit. Maybe i am ignorant of this, just hypothetically for now. Since i took attention at worship of animal body of jesus nailed on a cross maybe as a generally disgusting thing. I consider it crucified adam, i.e. the beastly nature being crucified, but spirit resurrected, since Jesus is akin to thief (Son of Man comes like a thief), beast goes into oblivion, left thief, right thief gets salvation, right snake.
Apocalypse of Peter of Gnostics claimed two things that strike me with interest, i don't take it seriously, but my mind lies within perimeter of this:
>And they will cleave to the name of a dead man, thinking that they will become pure.
>may create an imitation remnant in the name of a dead man, who is Hermas
Its strikes me as familiar to actual Apocalypse:
Revelation 13:14-15
>And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
If we take image of the beast as adam, it would make sense that body of Jesus may be its own whole thing, not equal to Spirit of Jesus (70 Angels/Sons of God). Life to image and speaking of the image of the beast is hallucinations people like Francis of Assisi had, who were "stigmatized" by a flying cross with wings.
In fact Paul was preaching Sophia/Wisdom of Christ in 1st Corinthians 1:21-23
>For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness
Weren't jews angry with Christ BECAUSE he was a miracle worker? Like i don't believe all of the miracles are true (two thousand possessed swine was some judeo-roman war reference), i don't believe Jesus ever quoted Paul's Phaeudrus either. People claim Gospels were written right after war of the jews, but some pauline letters are older than that.
Zechariah 5:1-4 says about a thief having a scroll, i.e. a book, in a middle of thief's spiritual house:
>Then I turned, and lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a flying roll. And he said unto me, What seest thou? And I answered, I see a flying roll; the length thereof is twenty cubits, and the breadth thereof ten cubits. Then said he unto me, This is the curse that goeth forth over the face of the whole earth: for every one that stealeth shall be cut off as on this side according to it; and every one that sweareth shall be cut off as on that side according to it. I will bring it forth, saith the Lord of hosts, and it shall enter into the house of the thief, and into the house of him that sweareth falsely by my name: and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof.
I actually consider consummation by timber/stones a fact that religion usually portrays verses from bible in their iconography. Which scroll it is uncertain, but maybe either prophecies from old testament, or revelations. It supposed to enter and remain in house of thief who sweareth falsely by God's name.
So χξς may in fact be stigmata of snake that got crucified, not snake that got "resurrected". Crucifiction implies destruction of old body of sin:
Romans 6:6 (Romans is six book in canonical New Testament, by the way)
>Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
And in Galatians 5:24 "And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts."; Galatians 6:14 "But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world."
Then χ is Christ's "old man", Adam. ξ as Ξ is three nails on which he's nailed. And ς is just tattoo/stigmata. Christ risen prior to his Crucifixion as Angels apparently, creative plot twist is that crucified body of Christ is anti-Christ. Because its an immortal Archon - Adam. It may be even when he says in Matthew 27:46 "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" it was actually left over false "bodily" Christ speaking.
Luke 17:36, Matthew 26:23, Matthew 27:5 and Acts 5:30 tell me that the hanged man may be Judah.
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f39503 No.190957
Actually let me point out few more things in my weird hypothetical gnostic travesty:
Zechariah 4:14
>Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.
Those are two angels that Magdalene initially saw, real Lord, who she then confuses with Lord:
John 20:12
>And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.
Zechariah's scroll that cut offs according to it IS book of Revelations:
Zechariah 5:3
>Then said he unto me, This is the curse that goeth forth over the face of the whole earth: for every one that stealeth shall be cut off as on this side according to it; and every one that sweareth shall be cut off as on that side according to it.
Revelation 22:19
>And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Zechariah even continues unto remaining idol shepherd:
Zechariah 11:17
>Woe to the idol shepherd that leaveth the flock! the sword shall be upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened.
Right eye is right ascended thief. He left other snake here, which was also anointed, but remained. Judah was known as one:
John 12:6
>This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.
Judah in fact hanged himself on same day:
Matthew 27:5
>And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.
Matthew 26:24
>The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.
Thief on the left hand of Jesus was crucified in same day with non-believer. Remember, crucifixion happens at Golgotha, the Skull. Whole thing is play in mind, even part in mind of God, part in reality, if that's convenient to say. Mark 15:27-31
>And with him they crucify two thieves; the one on his right hand, and the other on his left. And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And he was numbered with the transgressors. And they that passed by railed on him, wagging their heads, and saying, Ah, thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, Save thyself, and come down from the cross. Likewise also the chief priests mocking said among themselves with the scribes, He saved others; himself he cannot save.
Mark 15:33 constitutes escape of God out of Jesus:
>And when the sixth hour was come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour.
Its an ninth hour Jesus cries about being forsaken in Mark 15:34. Its this moment when right thief dies and left thief is left.
Meanwhile right thief says in Luke 23:42-43
>And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
If God was hivemind of Angels, Lord of Hosts, then it explains why right thief would be that very day with Christ in Heaven. And not wait three more days in hell for resurrection. Because the leftover bodily Christ is traitorous "idol shepherd" on the left, without Elijah Spirit.
TL;DR zombie of Jesus, who somehow is also Judah, is implied to have stayed on earth. And it could be implied that body is the one:
Matthew 26:23
>And he answered and said, He that dippeth his hand with me in the dish, the same shall betray me.
So anti-christ was on earth since few days after crucifiction. Its that angry bearded jew that you see as "christ" all the time. Its the dragon that was cast into earth, and instantly pursued woman to wage war against saints. Because whole Revelations 12 actually speaking of what happened from birth to resurrection, 2000 years ago, not about future.
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ad9345 No.190989
>>190946
>Matthew 27:46 "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" it was actually left over false "bodily" Christ speaking.
I think that is a reference to Ab(Father) El(God)'s human sacrifice of his own child as an offering. Abel was the First Murderer and he murdered a 'lamb' (firstborn) to please God, which, of course, and rightfully, God was horrified by.
Ab El (En Ki)
is this different from:
who is perhaps Abbadon or Ab Adon [ai:eye]
>3 So in the course of time, Cain brought some of the fruit of the soil as an offering to the LORD, 4 while Abel brought the best portions of the firstborn (1060. bekor; never refers to anything but human offspring) of his flock. And the LORD looked with favor (8159. shaah; look away[as in horror or to stare transfixed as one is shock]) on Abel and his offering,
God was not 'delighted' by human sacrifice…the people who loved human sacrifice were and are totally evil, it is a symptom of this paradigm that is required for the paradigm to function as I pointed out above >>190644 . They still are disgusting though, or do any of you feel sympathy to cannibals here?
…drinking the blood of the slain is evil…so is eating their flesh…which is what would have happened if the 'traditional sacrifice' methods of the jews were employed…for the 'fat' was burnt up to God but the meat and carcass were eaten by the priest, the man and his family. (Do I think this original story was about a PHYSICAL body…well I don't know, honestly)
So Christ was the 'lamb of God'. But what do we learn from this?
Now the question remains…why did Father God do this and what are the repercussions through time, since this would have been a watershed event that effected all of history as a ripple in time, and what does it mean to us today. Lets look at it and give Abel the benefit of the doubt, saying that he saw the flesh, or fallen state and decided that no offspring of his would participate and killed them before they had a chance to sin…(who loves more; the parent who sacrifices their child and their entire lineage or the one who participates in this world) this very issue saw the Cathars hunted down like beasts and murdered because the 'god(s)' of this world is very hungry and it doesn't want its food supply cut off.
IDK no one can help me with this; I could say a lot about your paintings.
Love; the 'gift' that just keeps giving.
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e43188 No.190991
>>190989
Sometimes i really hope you are a fed or a shill.
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ad9345 No.190992
>>190991
Why? Do you not want to investigate things thoroughly? How can you live life like that…devoid of Truth?
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e43188 No.190993
>>190992
>>190992
Sure, do that. But ifthe bugs bite me i squash them.
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9e8895 No.190994
>>190989
>firstborn (1060. bekor; never refers to anything but human offspring) of his flock
Yes, what firstborn means you're right:
>1062 bkowrah bek-o-raw' or (short) bkorah {bek-o-raw'}; feminine of 1060; the firstling of man or beast; abstractly primogeniture:–birthright, firstborn(-ling). see HEBREW for 01060
But "Flock" there is:
>6629 tso'n tsone or tsaown (Psalm 144:13) {tseh-one'}; from an unused root meaning to migrate; a collective name for a flock (of sheep or goats); also figuratively (of men):–(small) cattle, flock (+ -s), lamb (+ -s), sheep((-cote, -fold, -shearer, -herds)).
Mentioned Psalm 144:13 is:
>That our garners may be full, affording all manner of store: that our sheep may bring forth thousands and ten thousands in our streets:
Genesis 4:2
>And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.
Its certainly sheep. And when Jesus says: Luke 11:51
>From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation.
He doesn't imply Abel is somehow first murderer. Cain more likely is implied to be one in John 8:44. I am not sure about usual serpent in eden interpretation myself, but i am solid on Cain being literally first murderer.
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ad9345 No.190995
>>190993
Your only purpose here was to understand 'good' and 'evil'. It profits you NOTHING if you refuse to engage…what does refusal to engage mean? It means that you are not a living creature…now GET BUSY and engage, this is important! You must wade through things you don't want to wade through if you are going to understand what happened here.
(That is an order)…just kidding…lol
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ad9345 No.190996
>>190994
There is a reason that Jesus is called 'the Lamb of God' though anon…and it is not 'a celestial' Aryan/Aries/Nobility title.
What I am questioning is HOW does this fit into our understanding of Jesus and his story (or all our stories) because the beginning would set the tone for everything else that followed down to the last detail of every part of your life.
I am sticking with Abel being the first murderer (unless you want to argue that children have no agency and therefor are not alive; or something technical like that, which I don't think is appropriate in this circumstance but I will entertain thoughts).
Who was Jesus speaking to if not the persons who style themselves as the 'wife of God'. Or the Q'ayin (the Q eye/Queen)? I have, for years, believed that Q'ayin is female. Look at the role of proto-humans…men do the hunting and women do the tilling/gardening etc.
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e43188 No.190997
>>190995
>>190995
Well that is why if i go "ham" i usually pick something that is ethically very clear to me, and not some random suckers. What is so clear i usually mock or make random jokes about, or just say they suck for reason xyz.
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e43188 No.190998
>>190997
The main problem i have is that i dont want to treat adults as children. That is also what generates a great amount of "anger" in me.
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ad9345 No.190999
If we could back things up to Odin and his casting his Eye into the well to gain knowledge you would understand a little more about what might be happening between the Holy Couple (our honored parents).
There are too many parallels between Cain/Q'ayin and Abel/FatherGod and Adam and Eve…even the texts repeat the same exact situation/quotes to both. The PROMISE is to Q'ayin that he could be resurrected, rejoin God as Eye (both eyes be single) if he gains wisdom.
Q'ayin is alive, Abel is dead, Seth is born…there is a reason why 'Mother fucker' is an insult anon as well as how the human race could continue 'without women' (who are never mentioned because it is supposed to be understood)…I mean, after a little while it becomes obvious to those who would see.
>5 but He had no regard for Cain and his offering. So Cain became very angry, and his countenance fell. 6 “Why are you angry,” said the LORD to Cain, “ and why has your countenance fallen? 7 If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you refuse to do what is right, SIN is crouching at your door; >>>it desires you, but you must master it.”…<<<
I am not a globohomo so I don't believe that Cain and Abel (both men) produced heirs via buttfucking; I think the semites confused these things on purpose and for a reason that was HIGHLY unethical. I think they pursued any religion that told the Truth and erased it from the Earth with a vengeance so that they would always have 'food' to feed on (aka human sacrifice).
>16To the woman He said: “I will sharply increase your pain in childbirth; in pain you will bring forth children. >>>Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.”<<< (implication, until you have mastered it)
>>190997
>>190998
I don't understand what you are saying.
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e43188 No.191001
>>190998
I meant "not so clearn.
>>190999
Even the tallest tree falls if you cut at the bottom.
Also just let me hate women for a bit. After all they are not the generators for sin but the catalyst.
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e43188 No.191005
>>191001
For my personally children at a certain age should have "conventional" peers.
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ad9345 No.191012
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914ab5 No.191044
>>190996
>Who was Jesus speaking to if not the persons who style themselves as the 'wife of God'. Or the Q'ayin (the Q eye/Queen)?
>Q'ayin
>קַיִן
Wait a fucking second, now that you mentioned it
>7014 Qayin kah'-yin the same as 7013 (with a play upon the affinity to 7069); Kajin, the name of the first child, also of a place in Palestine, and of an Oriental tribe:–Cain, Kenite(-s). see HEBREW for 07013 see HEBREW for 07069
How the fuck Guanyin, Kuan Yin and Kwan Im is not the same as Q'ayin? Its the same fucking name. I've got to be really ignorant to not notice it.
I mean i already know from books on Asherah that consort of El used to be known as 'she who treads on the sea(dragon)' or 'she who walks on the sea' (Asherah Goddesses in Ugarit, Israel the Old Testament by Tilde Binger). There's enough iconography of Guanyin as such character.
In Pure Land Buddhism Guanyin is venerated together with Amida Buddha and Seishi as part of the trio.
Then:
Guanyin is Qayin
Seishi is Seth, and i know he's Seth because japanese transliterate egyptian Set from mobagames as Seishi/Seisi.
Don't know who Amida Butsu should be in this trio though, maybe either Adam or Abel.
That brings other question though, is chinese/japanese buddhism inevitably tied to judaism? Or simply speaking crypto judaism of lost tribe of israel? Because that's too loud. Suppressed christians in japan and china also used images of Guanyin for Virgin Mary, because both portrayed as damsels with child and both have iconography of threading on serpents.
This all seems all too convenient.
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e43188 No.191046
>>191044
I like convenient.
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e43188 No.191050
>>191044
Reminds me of my mentally unstable drug dealer friend that sat for some years. Nothing more pleasant then having a raging lunatic in your team.
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ad9345 No.191051
>>191044
Does it seem convenient to you? I am over here having a total mental breakdown (metanoia), due to losing all frames of references and myths and you are playing?!
LMAO, how could I not love these threads more than life.
My only thought now is do I have enough time left to go backwards and take all the advice that was proffered so generously and without any guile on their part on BOTH /pol/ and /pnd/ or not.
I FEEL LIKE I AM CONSTANTLY LOST
I have a serious fucking issue with listening…no wonder van Gogh cut off his ear, wtf use are they since no one (aka me) ever uses them?
Also, fascinating anon…feel free to expand on what you are thinking. I will always take a break from my furious reading to read what you have to say. Wait until you notice other parallels like Tian…and the sacrificial rituals for God that are (were) done every year to 'God'.
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ad9345 No.191052
>>191051
Don't think those three tiers or three steps are an accident.
>Nothing more pleasant then having a raging lunatic in your team.
So pleasant…what a sweetheart you are Wilson.
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e43188 No.191053
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ad9345 No.191061
>>191053
>than wilson.
I don't think I will give you that. Sorry. Nice try though. You of all people should know that madness fits well within the scope of acceptable behavior when a problem is large enough to warrant it, indeed it can be a generative force that syncs with chaos to bring new things into the universe.
Logic and reasoning will lead us to Earthly solutions…pretty sure we are well beyond that level of need.
Anything else you want cut off while we are talking? Just asking…getting it out of the way up front {sarcasm}.
Also, when did we become a 'team'? There is no 'EYE' in team.
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e43188 No.191075
>>191061
Let me go out on a limb here, logic and reasoning doesnt apply here, at least if you see these people as conventional, which they arent.
Dunno how to describe it to you, they are aware of certain mechanisms (so am i aswell) that will automatically take place. Given a certain narrative (which is skewed in a public sense), if you are not convinced check out twoxchromosomes or the reddit lingo or the radiant hivemind that goes along with that(you also probably know that)..
In my time which means 15 years ago, there was no such thing. We automatically agreed to certain rules, because we knew in the back of our heads that is something valueabe and we had common sense ethics, some less some more.
Today i feel like correcting those people "violently", obviously i m way too lazy to do that nor would i do that. But if i could instantanously teleport them on an island where jurisdiction is a dictonary not even google knows, i would gladly invite them to a deathmatch. And i would never lose.
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914ab5 No.191082
>>190999
>I am not a globohomo so I don't believe that Cain and Abel (both men) produced heirs via buttfucking
I disagree, clearly both begat sons and daughters. And even Cain had a wife (4:17)
I think seeds of Cain and seeds of Seth can be understood two way, they are equal to Golden race and Silver race of Hesiod, and Dark Elves/Light Elves of norse sagas. Ancient people who lived prior to some grand destruction but remained on earth as spirits. Or some society where immortals and mortals both lived together. But that would mean Cain is progenitor of the golden race, because first born from Adam and immortal. Because you know, usual thing with jewish tales being reverse of everyone else.
Sons of Elohim saw daughters of Adam being fair and took them as wives. I am not the first one to consider that Cain and Seth bloodlines might had intermarried at this point.
1. It is not considered anyone from Cain bloodline ever died, at least prior to flood.
2. There's some mindfuckery with 4:24 that Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, Lamech seventy and sevenfold. while in 5:31 it is pointed out that days of Lamech of Seth bloodline were seven hundred seventy and seven years: and that Lamech died.
3. Enoch from Cain bloodline never died, neither Enoch from Adam bloodline did. And in 5:23 years of Enoch are three hundred sixty and five. 365, like days in a year.
So yeah, beginning of Genesis is certainly not about people. Whatever the case.
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e43188 No.191084
>>191082
There is always some mindfuckery about people, and i can attest to that. Subconsciousness is really powerfull, mix that with algorithms which are basically doing what the subconsciousness does and bang. Now if i apply logic here, people that do intelligent rap or intelligent music or based music will notice that and then they will go away. And you want them back.
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ad9345 No.191090
>>191075
What if you don't see them as 'people' at all?
twox and all that accompanies it are worthless to me.
Alright '15' I hope you can pull your weight.
Before you launch into a nuclear strike on women for our actions as 'catalyst' rather than sinner, you should know I am one.
>>191082
Well, see anon…here is the thing, what does 'wife' mean in that sense? >>190946 photos.
The anima? That would be irrelevant since we are all down here together at present, meaning that male and female, we all possess the same [hidden] spirit.
Sophia is truly a muse
"You're beautiful, but you're empty…One couldn't die for you. Of course, an ordinary passerby would think my rose looked just like you. But my rose, all on her own, is more important than all of you together, since she's the one I've watered. Since she's the one I put under glass, since she's the one I sheltered behind the screen. Since she's the one for whom I killed the caterpillars (except the two or three butterflies). Since she's the one I listened to when she complained, or when she boasted, or even sometimes when she said nothing at all. Since she's my rose."
-Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
Understand? I can't find the photo I really want which is a renaissance painting depicting the division and veil/separation between Mary and St. George.
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914ab5 No.191095
>>191084
Well, that music affects unconscious part of human was known since Pythagoras. In fact music and magic have a lot in common and it was developed within sacramental and occult traditions. Music is a great manipulation tool. Iamblichus calls attunement to certain types of music a preheard divine harmony.
>>191090
This reminds me of Virgin Mary being central in catholic preservation of the seed against carnal debauchery. That devoted of Mary have to remain celibate. This is from "The Sacred Space of the Virgin Mary in Hispanic Literature"
>Berceo includes a miracle akin to that of the young cleric (Bridegroom: Brother of the King of Hungary). It is about the marriage of a young cleric (Clerk of Pisa), whose wedding is called off by the Virgin in the Milagros.102 Both emphasize forced marriage and the Virgin’s intervention to permit one of her devotees to remain celibate to serve her.
>Berceo’s miracle is set in Pisa, where a young man, extremely devoted to the Virgin, accepts his family’s pressure to take a wife. On the wedding night, the young man disappears from his new wife’s arms, and people believe he has sought out a hidden spot to pass his life in devotion and prayer to the Virgin: ‘Creemos e asmamos qe esti buen varón/ buscó algún lugar de gran religïón,/ y sovo escondido faciendo oración.’
>Gil de Zamora also includes The Bridegroom: Brother of the King of Hungary in his collection, at miracle. In his version, the prince is both the son of the old king and also a brother of the new king of Hungary. When the new king, his brother, dies, the young cleric is forced to marry. Gil’s version makes it clear that the cleric is forced to marry by his barons and this twist in the narrative makes the intervention of the Virgin more than a little strange. As in other versions of the miracle, the Virgin appears to the young man on the night before the wedding and questions him in the following way:
>Appearing, the sweet Virgin spoke these words: "If, she said, I am beautiful, as you assert, and lovely, how is it that you despise my love and join in carnal love with another? For am I not more beautiful than she? Where did you see another more beautiful? Remember that you gave a vow of moral purity to me, saying that you would abstain from the fires of lust, when I released you from a great sickness. Know that when you assented to the wiles of the flesh, you move as far from my son, as the earth is from heaven."
>Gil de Zamora’s version emphasizes the back story of the young man’s healing owing to the intervention of the Virgin, putting him in her debt. This element of the narrative is never present in liturgical versions. After the miraculous appearance of the Virgin, the young prince leads the life of a hermit: ‘on the bank of the river he led the life of a hermit for seven years’. This detail is not included in Osbert’s sermon, where the young prince becomes a monk. After this, on the death of the Patriarch, the young prince becomes Patriarch of Aquileia. There, he not only celebrated the Conception feast, but also celebrated the Saturdays dedicated to the Virgin. As in the Elsinus miracle, discussed above, the celebration of Saturday is just as important as celebrating the Conception feast. Liturgical versions never emphasize the promotion of Saturday as Mary’s day.
So yeah, catholic visions of Mary tend to get to the point of Mary/Sophia being their spiritual wife. I read in some rosecrucian book among many i skipped through, although do not want to completely embrace its message (because of inclusion of cabal teachings and alchemical lies), and it would be hard to find right now where i read that, that the reason one should abstain from marriage is to not put walls in between you and your "divine spouse waiting in heavens", i.e. higher angelic self.
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e43188 No.191098
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e43188 No.191101
>>191098
As far as their fertile bodies can carry them, until i lift their burden from them. And i seal them tightly. They gave me life and now they give me lust and i finish the job, the end to all evil. You wont lent me just and ear i just dont borrow your company i dont rent your your time, i rend your meat.
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ad9345 No.191105
>>191095
I have been looking at his imagery and studying Sophia Musik YT channel, which is where I got that quote from Saint-Exupery.
>that the reason one should abstain from marriage is to not put walls in between you and your "divine spouse waiting in heavens", i.e. higher angelic self.
Yes, I agree with them 100% for personal reasons that I will not share here.
>>191101
Your 'heavenly spouse' is a lucky girl, anon. I would have a bit of care with Algol [rythm]…she is not a 'nice' girl.
She might make you hard as a rock, but it is permanent.
"Think of the children."
This isn't the 'first time' it has happened here.
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ad9345 No.191123
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e43188 No.191125
>>191123
The leaders usually have an indestructible dna.
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ad9345 No.191128
>>191125
Well that explains a lot.
We have 9 hours and 55 minutes to understand what that means. Are you talking about the jews?
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e43188 No.191129
>>191125
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8TWhl58GS8&feature=emb_logo
What would have i done i would have been there in person, first i would have jammed the microphone in the really fat guys ass and mouth.
And then i would cut off the balls of the guy that was speaking an artificially deep voice and make a little experiment. Doesnt change the vocal chords but does change the cake up confidence doesnt it.
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e43188 No.191131
>>191129
Ultimately cringe and disrespectful.
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ad9345 No.191132
>>191131
True. How long do you think this has been going on?
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e43188 No.191136
>>191132
I just skipped through that until about one hour or something like that. I cant stand the hosts.
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ad9345 No.191137
>>191136
No…the repeated destruction and 'harvest' of the planet.
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dbf02f No.191143
>>191105
Overall angelic marriage is about finding lost Sophia, lost wisdom. Its the source of all "mysteries", toiling in sacrifice for wisdom.
Proverbs 3:18
>She is a tree of life to them that lay hold upon her: and happy is every one that retaineth her.
Proverbs 9:5
>Come, eat of my bread, and drink of the wine which I have mingled.
Luke 7:35
>But wisdom is justified of all her children.
My theory is that the whole goal is to create immortal offspring, by knowing Eve, who's art in Eden (or when she's viewed as Father art in Heaven), like Adam did.
Patros in Ouranos could also mean literal Ouranos, since Tree of Life bearing 12 manner of fruits each month is associated with zodiac, as well as 365 years of life of Enoch (who became angel Metatron in enochian literature, the lesser yhvh). It is also time cycle, so they too tied to Chronos by an extend. So patterns of time is the essence of angels.
That immortal is generated from angelic line mixing in bridal chamber with mortal offspring, to have blood rite being made in its name, which is Lamb's sacrifice. Blood of the Lamb from Revelation 12:11 is wedding garment from Matthew 22:12.
Genesis Chapter 4:26
>And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the Lord.
If we take heed that Sethian line was holy, then they may had conducted angelic marriage because of contact from calling the name. Since technically first religion according to it began with Seth. If offspring of Cain also joined the Sethian religion, they may have not really died (as in second death) if they entered angelic marriage according to Mark 10:9
>What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
So they also may had been taken away like Enoch, as wives. Flood didn't removed Ben Elohim, for those are assembly of the 70 of Asherah and El. So those married to angels, not necessary their offspring, could also survive. In Revelations too woman ran away from the serpent with two wings of great eagle. In fact the angels themselves and offspring of Seth are inseparable, no wonder Jesus says he's root and offspring of David (Revelations 22:16). Because root are Sethians (Luke 3:38), red thread of spiritual heritage of IESUS, an assembly of angels.
The only reason that assembly of immortals exists is because of people who prayed onto this name. Now that's not the only assembly, for 33 Vedic deities of Meru is apparently a different one.
And influence of angels from Mountain Zion extends to Greece, hence replanting and Adonis/Dionysus phenomena:
Zechariah 9:13
>When I have bent Judah for me, filled the bow with Ephraim, and raised up thy sons, O Zion, against thy sons, O Greece, and made thee as the sword of a mighty man.
Mount Sinai was also completely different thing from Zion,, its spiritual concord was melted:
Judges 5:5
>The mountains melted from before the Lord, even that Sinai from before the Lord God of Israel.
Galatians 4:24
>Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
And they removed Seth-Baal, storm god worship around the time they transfered spiritual house to Zion, spiritual house of the moon and Yah. Because you know, when you have monotheism its easy for a different spirit to enter your house. Like how they are not related to it now and slaves of the sun, because of Shamash laws and maybe even word Adonai, for it rules over them in bondage.
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ad9345 No.191146
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>>191143
Ok but the Sethian lines have mingled with the Fallen and not with their heavenly counterpart. Isn't that a betrayal of the Heavenly counterpart and 'whoring' so to speak?
I know you will have looked at this but Genesis has problems in the early genealogies - they are identical (almost) so Enos/Enoch etc. See the pattern in the shift of the last letters? This happens in all the early patriarchs and matriarchs…it is like they are seeing two different linages in the physical manifestation. But why would they do that? It is as if one is the Heavenly manifestation and one is the Earthly manifestation.
If you study the early genealogies, you will notice that they are aligned to each other in some strange way. Also, wouldn't the blood of the Angelic union be self evident, like a physical manifestation rather than something that needed to be 'strived for'? Those data sets would be undeniable…doesn't wisdom come from observation and uncompromised search for Truth?
>Overall angelic marriage is about finding lost Sophia, lost wisdom. Its the source of all "mysteries", toiling in sacrifice for wisdom.
Is this what the Mason's believe? Is this why Mr. Satan claimed that Sophia was 'their God'? He thought she was horrible…
The masons are a separate issue to me, and I always liked them.
If Sophia is in their blood how come so many jews are the least wise of all peoples?
Wisdom is not about doing what you feel, but rather always pursuing Truth. This is not a characteristic that I see displayed in jews so how is that explained?
To you, is Sophia a 'person' or some genetic code? She is like Dinah? A lost sister or is again, the anima in every person?
I don't have any evidence that the Sethian line was Holy though…as far as I can tell, as I said before they intermarried not with Heavenly angles but with Fallen angels (bene Elohim).
>So patterns of time is the essence of angels.
Yes, that is understandable in terms of the manifestation of order; they are rigidly hierarchical. "Oh Lucifer, how thou art Fallen"…
I have always worried that they are essentially a genetic dead end. Immortality, but at what price? Things need a certain chaos in order to have a genetic future (long term) which is why I personally resist hierarchy….
But then, what is chaos? God is the unmoved unmover so chaos is impossible.
Tell me, do you know of Messiah ben David and Messiah ben Joseph?
Two sides of the same coin. Like bookends/twins. This is something we never talk about on /pnd/ because it is 'out of fashion'. But it seems very obvious that there is truth to this prophecy in the same way that there is truth to the Heavenly and Earthly lineage in Genesis. After all the beginning is a mirror of the end in many ways.
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Lol I never noticed how much a Ω looks like a Q until I just pasted it in this text box.
Last question…why are you helping me to try to understand? I am German, not jewish.
See what he says in the opening second of the video?
Arise; The dead were never born, and the living never die."
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e62dfe No.191191
>>191146
>I know you will have looked at this but Genesis has problems in the early genealogies - they are identical (almost) so Enos/Enoch etc. See the pattern in the shift of the last letters?
Why? Cain line too has Enoch. 4:17:
>And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch
5:18:
>And Jared lived an hundred sixty and two years, and he begat Enoch:
If somehow Cain's wife was Jared from Sethian bloodline, i wouldn't be surprised. That they together begat Enoch.
On Lamech:
4:18
>And unto Enoch was born Irad: and Irad begat Mehujael: and Mehujael begat Methusael: and Methusael begat Lamech
5:26
>And Methuselah lived after he begat Lamech seven hundred eighty and two years, and begat sons and daughters
Apparently those are also Cain's bloodline with Seth. But its difficult to tell who's who in this passage with so many people who's name start with Meth. So maybe you're right about androgynous reproduction you called "buttfucking". Its just hidden in those verses between Chapter 4 of Cain and Chapter 5 of Seth. Prior to Chapter 6 when they finally start having actual women around. Probably Sethians were replacing females for masculine murderous Cainites.
>If Sophia is in their blood how come so many jews are the least wise of all peoples?
Wisdom is opposite of mammon of unrighteousness: Luke 11:49
>Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they shall slay and persecute:
Children of wisdom/Sophia/Eve get killed by Cain offspring. But Cain offspring is rooted as much in Adam/Humanity as Sethian bloodline. Therefore Cain is left snake, murderer. Seth is right snake, Godly people. But they used to fuck each other prior to flood, so Noah is offspring of both bloodlines, and people are ignorant of that. Its amazing people claim bloodline of Cain is dead because of flood, because they are ignorant of similarity of names. There wouldn't even be a need to write names of offspring of Cain if they weren't a thing.
Its possible for a generation of people to become either Cain or Child of true Adam, resurrect Abel through bloodline of Seth. But that's just me speculating, that Abel too lives, because he was accepted by God, and probably conducted marriage with Most High through his first sacrifice. Since its you who say he's Ab(Father) El(God).
>Last question…why are you helping me to try to understand?
Its my hobby. I feel about bible like Ion from Plato, who could only do homeric poetry, and i feel too tied to christianity no matter how much i research on paganism. So now i am trying to find another meaning to it to justify its prophets. That said out of all branches the one worthy of research is gnostism, man on the cross is image of the beast.
>God is the unmoved unmover so chaos is impossible.
Consider the following, we live under influence of dead people becoming angels/buddhas. Not perfect gods. And they have lunar and solar polarities, two snakes and two places to go, one of them fiery gehenna, the sun. Other is woman standing on the moon. Moses by crossing sea of reeds actually cut off humanity from other civilizations. And we're under rulership of secretive gods tied to planetary spirits who make us subjected by twisting the narrative, but all religions remain to be hidden planetary worship. God of the bible doesn't lie though, alas people add their own things into bible, and they do, but He hides. Because only moon knows past, present and future. Sun worshipers only learn how to become immaculate to handle their hell, so they burn themselves alive, meditate and become mummies.
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0fcf06 No.191206
>>191146
The early emergent Semitic Dynasties were clear and consistent on their claimed legendary origins, it was from the Ditanu, and those ancestors the Rephaim of the Marzeah feast, also held in Israel.
>Dedan is one of the ancestors of the royal families of Ugarit and Assyria. According to Ugaritic texts he was deified. In both Ugaritic and Akkadian texts he is also named Datan or Ditan. This name can be related to Akk. ditanu, didanu, ‘bison’
https://kspronk.files.wordpress.com/2020/07/spronk-dedan-ddd.pdf
This relates to Bison man or Lahmu, the first born of Tiamat and representing the bitter waters, the guardian of the Abzu that holds a tethering pole,
Bison man was represented by the constellation Centaurus and the Abzu given as within those stars in Mul Apin,, as the Southern Cross., Lahmu and Lahamu likely the pointer stars Alpha Centauri and Beta Centauri
The God of the Southern Suteans then the Southern guardian of the Abzu
>Lahmu, “Hairy,” is a protective and beneficent deity, the first-born son of Apsu and Tiamat. He and his sister Laḫamu are the parents of Anshar and Kishar, the sky father and earth mother, who birthed the gods of the Mesopotamian Pantheon. Laḫmu is depicted as a bearded man with a red sash-usually with three strands- and four to six curls on his head. He is often associated with the Kusarikku or “Bull-Man.
>In Sumerian times Laḫmu may have meant “the muddy one”. Lahmu guarded the gates of the Abzu temple of Enki at Eridu. He and his sister Laḫamu are primordial deities in the Babylonian Epic of Creation
https://therealsamizdat.com/2015/06/29/lahmu-the-hairy-one-is-not-apkallu/
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ad9345 No.191249
>>191206
What the heck is a tethering pole? A thyrsus?
I think it is interesting that Enki is sitting on the Earth cube. The Stele of the Vultures shows a close-up. Looks an awful lot like a prison and of course, in the first photo it is the Theta (death). Honestly all these photos are weird. Makes me think that the Ark/E-Abzu is an actual permanent fixture of this system, rather than a one time thing.
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ad9345 No.191256
>>191191
>>191191
>man on the cross is image of the beast.
It always bothered me that people would wear the symbol of torture around their necks. Or in their homes. When I think of Christ that is the last thing I want to think of…because it is the least important aspect of his life and because torture is immoral.
>Seth children of righteousness, Cain murderer.
IDK this just doesn't bear out in the real world. Children of Cain built our nation, taught us higher principles like Liberty, etc, while Seth just tries to figure out how to murder us in as many horrific ways that he can. Cain believes in Christ (but not in Paul) and children of Seth curse and hate Christ and have murdered hundreds of millions of our people in the worst way possible. How are you counting them as 'righteous'? As well as God giving the promise, the one and only promise to Cain (and thus his offspring, "when they do well").
The 'panim' is not just a 'face'…it is more like 'countenance' or the whole of the individual and all their lineage.
Further thought:
Ok so after looking at Seeth/Seth I have come to this conclusion. Cain is the aspect of the individual that is fallen and Seth is the aspect of the individual that is glorified. However, I think the idea that the jews are glorified is ridiculous based on their behavior. They could claim to be 'uplifted' but it is totally untrue. Seth is not a 'lineage' it is a state of mind. That is why the lineages are similar but different. They are illustrating the differences in the whole of those people rather than the listing of a race or lineage. One is either Q'ayin (fallen/Lucifer) or Seeth (uplifted/glorified).
To worship Lucifer is to worship the Fallen (which means our current non-glorified/dead state) it is to be a materialist, like the Catholic church. To worship Seeth is to strive to the glorified 'risen' state. But Christ himself might be Seeth but he is not 'the lineage of Seth', you can only achieve a risen state by metanoia/action. In that way the 'jews' global slavers, murderers, tortures and cannibals can never be Seeth/Seth, while the Masons who strive to fellowship, brotherhood, and equality/fraternity can only be Seeth and no longer the Sons of Cain. And I am not saying that 'being in the social club' gives you an all access pass, the PROMISE to all mankind is based on behavior not genetics or anything else since Seeth is a state of mind.
Again, no asperates in proto Phoenician so S-T-H is the same as S-T-H. Both mean glorified. But again, it is a choice (since there was only one lineage with two options) not two separate bloodlines.
Line of Seth: Enosh, Kenan, Mahalalel, Jared, Enoch, Methuselah, Lamech, and Noah.
Line of Cain: Enoch, Irad, Mehujael, Methushael, Lamech and his wives, Jabal, Jubal, and Tubal-Cain, and the Nephilim.
That makes 'Noah' Tubal Cain and his 3 sons from 3 different wives.
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9dc5aa No.191257
You know, i finally get it. Lamb was slayen from foundation of the world:
Revelation 13:8-9
>And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. If any man have an ear, let him hear.
Isn't Lamb is Abel? Because Jesus wasn't slain from foundation of the world. Biblion of Zoe in this passage is Gospel of Eve. First person slain in the book is Abel, son of Eve.
This Lamb slain from foundation of the world also fits with narrative of Gospel of Philip:
>but since the beginning of the world that he gave his life in offering.
This fits with account of Revelations perfectly. That means rebel who occupied temple in order to bring forth second exodus into false eden of wilderness wasn't the lamb of Abel, but the thief and idol shepherd from Zechariah 5:4 and 11:17.
The sacrifice was conducted since the beginning. That crucifixion wasn't an important humanity saving event.
A bit on historical Jesus you can find here, i like this book because it doesn't downplay significance of his role as other jewish books like Caesar's conspiracy, and actually links details with gospel moments like getting rid of merchants in the temple:
https://1lib.eu/book/2515617/d573e8
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0fcf06 No.191261
>>191249
A tethering pole is considered to have been the one ring to bind them all, in terms of cows and their nose rings.
There are generally two seen either side of an Abzu shrine and one was actually found at Girsu, modern day Telloh, which is of an eleven foot tall copper plated standard which probably stood beside the Abzu shrine there,
It was constructed of a tubular wooden core with copper plate around that and bitumen acting as a sealant and adhesive, seems to have disappeared since.
The sign for Inanna also resembled a tethering pole, from when she was a cattle Goddess of the breeding huts.
The hairy mud bison man connects it to the South Celestial pole, and i suppose the stars circling that as cattle.
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a3e709 No.191263
>>191261
I like the concept of breeding huts.
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0fcf06 No.191272
>>191263
You could also turn them upside down and use them as boats.
>Was the reed hut shrine of Ea/Enki like these ? The Mesopotamian flood hero is asleep in such a shrine when Ea advise him to tear it down an to build a ship of it to save himself, family and animals
http://www.bibleorigins.net/ReedHutShrinesMesopotamian.html
Another thing is that Lahmu is generally the same height as the pole, 11 foot, and has six hair ringlets because sometimes the poles had six ringlets, he is the very personification of the South Celestial Pole
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ad9345 No.191282
>>191261
Those Southern stars contain Algol(Medusa) though…why do they say that evil comes from the South…Maybe the South solidifies things (death. stone, Abel[Father God]) and the North disassembles things (Life, entropy, Inanna[Mother Goddess]). It would explain why Inanna slew the Bull of Heaven (sort of).
Why do they call them 'horns' when we know that they are just illustrations of Halo's? Within the hierarchy your rank is expressed as a Halo.
You are just making more work for me as I am going to have to go over each of those images with a fine tooth comb…looking for data. :^)
The Nazir (Nazi/Solitary) carve themselves from stone, but perhaps this is not an individual effort, but rather a function of the Goddess? Like the individual is a cell inside her body…or inside Abel/Enki's body, which is why we are evaluated for our ability to be functional aspect of Life or 'dead' and worthless. That hierarchy might just be the 'functional aspects' of a God…like a 'liver' or 'Heart'. The cage (Stele of Vultures/Indra's net) is the ribs that 'Eve' is made from. When all the Eye's are evaluated/Judgement…God is fashioning his Woman again from the parts and pieces of humanity that are functional.
>>191263
kek…
I'm about to nix Wilson and '15' and start calling you Randy.
>>191272
[Black and White image] what are the symbols on the left that begin the pictograph (the ones right above the star)?
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a3e709 No.191284
>>191282
Randy from southpark?
Women and men, that are "polarized" form archons. At least that is my idealistic idea of that.
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ad9345 No.191286
>>191284
I was thinking more like the dead/stone go to the South as the Throne of Enki and the Living go to the North pole as the Body of the Mother Goddess. You know in the moment when things are polarized like by the tethering pole(s), everyone is going to be drawn to the pole that suits them best in terms of their polarity. It is only the 'middle' ground people who neither ascend nor descend.
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a3e709 No.191292
>>191286
Females and males will always go towards their pole on that "visceral" layer. The layer above should be the middle ground.
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ad9345 No.191305
>>191292
Hmmm was also thinking it was more like a 'character' issue than a sexual/gender issue. This all ties into the mythos behind the wine red sky vs blue sky and the exchange between Dumuzi’s and his sister, Geshtinanna. Remember the Gotthard Tunnel imagery? Or the ideas of the cycle of Sirius (either redshifted or blueshifted) from the opening comment in this OP?
This could also be why the galli (Templars) castrate themselves (I find it interesting that the galli are so close to galla.
If this was the case it could explain the Demiurge (Ereshkigal) and globohomo as well.
It is also interesting to think about the fact that galla (sexless demons) are available for Enki's command to bring the water of Life and bread of Life to revive Inanna.
Technically when you think about that, I suppose that is the main reason why Enki/Abel slaughters his infant child, the Lamb of God, slain from the beginning of the world as well (so that the Bride of Dimmuzi [shepherd] can be revived. He must have flesh and blood to feed Inanna…so the body and blood of Christ, the only begotten Son of God is the sacrament brought by globohomo (Catholic Church) to revive Inanna from the underworld.
Really makes me wonder what will happen to people like me who believe that eating blood and flesh of a ritual human sacrifice (an infant, no less) is totally immoral.
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a3e709 No.191309
>>191305
You dont seem to understand i m not the babysitter of niggers or white trash or the parias or something else. I m not a shepherd either.
I only give advice.
I m also an agnostic, holy man.
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ad9345 No.191310
>>191309
What is your 'advice' then?
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a3e709 No.191312
>>191310
"eats and drinks greedily".
If i get this flow right, even smart kids need to mingle with conventional ones. Gives them a greater scope.
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a3e709 No.191313
>>191312
I do a dance with you with life of the here and now, a spring that will last to your fall. And every thought and every move will run down to the slumber land, so the winter will never wither us. Every movement is a suggestion but it only points to one place.
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ad9345 No.191367
>>191312
>"eats and drinks greedily".
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c8f80c No.191368
>>160765
>12 gated Temple precinct is the same as per the Dead sea Temple scroll.
According to Enoch 2 its just moons. There are 12 full moons every 30/31 days (for price of silver of which Jesus been sold), total of 365 of full year which is Ouranos/Metatron/Enoch.
Revelation 21:21
>And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
Those full moons here are compared to "μαργαριτου". Oyster pearls. Same pearls mentioned in likeness of kingdom of heaven:
Matthew 7:6
>Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
Matthew 13:45
>Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls:
So the new fruit every month of tree of life in Revelation 22:2 is pearl of full moon. Explains why monstrance and IHS bread sometimes represent dim moon pearl, and not sun like many think.
Jews also celebrated new moon, in a middle of dark moon period of 1.5-3.5 days (which is Inanna's, Jonah's, Jesuses and apocalyptic prophets days prior to resurrection):
Ezekiel 46:1
>Thus saith the Lord God; The gate of the inner court that looketh toward the east shall be shut the six working days; but on the sabbath it shall be opened, and in the day of the new moon it shall be opened.
Ezekiel 46:6
>And in the day of the new moon it shall be a young bullock without blemish, and six lambs, and a ram: they shall be without blemish.
Mind how sabbath and new moon are equally important for opening of the inner court in those verses.
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a3e709 No.191372
>>191368
I notice the resentfullness of men, the utter despiction, yet i sense her ultimate longing for a man to enter her, not just to clutch her pearl but her pearsonality.
I find solace and that thought, to make her determine the tides on her fertile earth.
My little self enters her, and puts forth the question are you here or there. I rip you into here. The mooning ascends, but i dont care. I pull out the little astronaut and place it on where there is no sea, just o make it.
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a3e709 No.191377
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ba7b00 No.191391
I also noticed something, even if i err on this, many know how Faithful and True Word of God on white horse from revelations is extremely similar to Krishna's incarnation Kalki on white horse from Mahabharata (whose also called king of kings many times through it). That's aside golden city of brahman, water of life and fruits of life from Inanna's descent, Zahhak one third destruction of things and sycamore tree of Hathor were my biggest arguments for synthetic nature of Revelations.
But there's also apparently, if you see Revelations as book pointing on crucified adam as antichrist, i.e. the body of a dead man, the beast, there's some amalgamation can be done with supposed "kings" in Revelation 17:10-11
>And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
The incarnations of Vishnu up to Krishna, ignoring the Buddha supposedly after it are:
1 Matsya (fish)
2 Kurma (turtle, tortoise)
3 Varaha (boar, wild swine)
4 Narasimha (man-lion)
5 Vamana (dwarf-god)
6 Parashurama (Brahman warrior)
7 Rama
8 Krishna
Parashurama, the Brahman warrior, that if theory of relation of 8 kings, supposed as still existing at moment of writing of Revelations as sixth one is notable for:
>discussion of violence, the cycles of retaliations, the impulse of krodha (anger), the inappropriateness of krodha, and repentance. He plays important roles in the Mahabharata serving as mentor to Bhishma, Drona and Karna, teaching weapon arts and helping key warriors in both sides of the war.
That one apparently also worshiped Shiva, the destruction God in the brahmanic trinity.
What this makes Krishna however is that he's:
1. One of the 7, in fact all of them
2. Can be compared to Christ as Anointed Lord and King of Kings
3. Was (even prior to jewish Christ), is not and goeth into perdition
This is done either to point at crucified adam of Christ being incarnation of Visnhu, or to point at Krishna as being anti-christ of copied religious writings, just in case hindus were right. Because this hits hard if one sees beast as eight incarnation of Krishna. And of course 10th is Kalki, the white horse rider.
Be mindful however, all of those are connected by respectable constellations.
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ad9345 No.191394
>>191257
>You know, i finally get it. Lamb was slain from foundation of the world.
I think it might be us.
<"Is there anyone among you who believes he can be spared the way? Can he swindle his way past the pain of Christ? I say: "Such a one deceives himself to his own detriment. He beds down on thorns and fire. No one can be spared the way of Christ, since this way leads to what is to come. You should all become Christ." - Jung
You will 'take up your Cross', just like all of us. Some people take it up with purpose and others live and die without ever understanding who they are (these are the dead).
Are you 'different' in some way that you would not, also, be slain from the foundation of the world? No, I think not. As much as you are a child of Adam and Eve, you too have been slain from the foundation of the world.
As much as God so loved the World that he gave his only begotten son (Adam and all his progeny), also you were given, I was given…all who are Living were given.
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a3e709 No.191396
>>191394
I m going to put female humans into rapeles and then i come visit them.
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ba7b00 No.191399
>>191394
>I think it might be us.
Well, that's core of Orphic Dionysus Zagreus and Ilawela from sumerian Atra-Hasis creation myth, humanity as dismembered God:
>>181972
>>186087
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ad9345 No.191403
>>191399
>humanity as dismembered God
Perhaps…there is something else I am not grasping here and it is slightly out of my reach tonight. I may have to sleep on it…it relates to all of this though. IDK anon…think on it (or perhaps expand on 'dismembered') if you will; I think the idea of dismembered seems incorrect because I don't believe in separation in the unmoved unmover…no such thing.
Also, if you could not mention Paul (if at all possible) please…I have like a visceral hatred reaction that completely derails all your points when you do that. Thanks.
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0fcf06 No.191421
>>191282
>Black and White image] what are the symbols on the left that begin the pictograph (the ones right above the star)?
The rising/morning and setting/evening star, based on a rising and inverted sun sign. This paper looks at the reed pole sign for Inaana
https://www.aacademica.org/rodrigo.cabrera.pertusatti/16.pdf
Enki rules the South and physical existence is quite problematic, particularly if you live in a desert were it becomes all about water, and if that is bitter, their association with Ditanu would relate to finding water sources, though as a concept it was introduced into the region through Mesopotamia they strongly identified with it in legendary ancestor terms and the Demon guarding of water sources.
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0fcf06 No.191422
>>191368
Of course a lunar cycle correlates to one Zodiac sign, and Jupiter passes through one sign per year, Saturn every 30 years and thus a complete circuit in 360 years.
Each cycle correlates to that of a unique soul.
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a03046 No.191423
>>191256
>Children of Cain built our nation, taught us higher principles like Liberty, etc, while Seth just tries to figure out how to murder us in as many horrific ways that he can.
I don't know from where you're getting that, however, lets be real for a second. We already figured out that Seth lineage and Cain lineage intermarried, through androgynous marriage or not.
Genesis 4:24
>If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold.
That Lamech from Seth linage was also Lamech from Cain lineage hinted in Genesis 5:31
>And all the days of Lamech were seven hundred seventy and seven years: and he died.
Lamech of Seth bloodline lived 777 years. Lamech of Cain is avenged 70 and 7 fold. Cain is avenged 7 fold.
But most importantly, Jesus proceeds to remind of that in Matthew: 18:21-22
>Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times? Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.
From Adam to Lamech from Cain's bloodline, Lamech is 7nth human. From Adam to Lamech from Seth bloodline, Lamech is 9nth.
Lets return to Revelations for a second:
Revelation 5:6
>And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
7 Horns. 7 Eyes. 7 Spirits of God.
Revelation 21:9
>And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb’s wife.
7 Angels. 7 Vials. 7 last plagues.
Luke 3:38 claims Sethian bloodline of Jesus. But it makes such claims from bloodline of Joseph, foster father of Jesus in Luke 3:23
>And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,
Did Joseph begat Jesus? If we believe the bible, no, Pneuma Hagion did. Then three seven for Lamb and Vengeance make much more sense in Revelations.
70 sons of Asherah and El from ugarit corpus, in jewish literature Ben Elohim who prior to flood married daughters of men, had Satan among them in Job 1:6 and Job 2:1. And YHVH in Job 2:2 asks
>And the Lord said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it
Jacob had 70 souls in offspring: Exodus 1:5
>And all the souls that came out of the loins of Jacob were seventy souls: for Joseph was in Egypt already.
Moses appointed 70 elders for tabernacle: Numbers 11:24
>And Moses went out, and told the people the words of the Lord, and gathered the seventy men of the elders of the people, and set them round about the tabernacle.
Jesus (who's also Ben Elohim) appointed 70 additional disciples Luke 10:1
>After these things the Lord appointed other seventy also, and sent them two and two before his face into every city and place, whither he himself would come.
But its implied he had traitors in John 6:66
>From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
But what's also interesting, is that 666 is Carbon. 777 is Nitrogen. 888 is Oxygen. Nitrogen is related to fish byproduct cycle.
Heraclitus once said something really stupid, but amazing - "In Hades psyches perceive each other by smell alone." and also that Dionysus is God of the Hades. Heraclitus already implied that soul is made of chemical elements. And some presocratics were focused on pneuma in same vein. There's nitrogen on the moon also.
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a03046 No.191424
>>159679
>Phosphorus (Greek Φωσφόρος Phōsphoros) is the Morning Star, the planet Venus in its morning appearance
>Phosphorus is a chemical element with the symbol P and atomic number 15
Listen anon, you were so right prior to this. Of course 15 is number for Inanna, why i never got it?
>5459 phosphoros foce-for'-os from 5457 and 5342; light-bearing ("phosphorus"), i.e. (specially), the morning-star (figuratively):–day star. see GREEK for 5457 see GREEK for 5342
What's important here is that 777 of Lamech and Lamb, Nitrogen, is right above it on periodic table.
Revelation 21:23
>And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
Glory of God - Phosphoros. Lamb - Nitrogen.
We're ruled by chemical Aliens, who have consciousness outside their bodies. Not necessary perceivable, but still chemically physical. Its all in the Pneuma - Breath. And there must be God-like chemical that possesses ability to manipulate time itself.
A bit of Heraclitus:
>Men are not intelligent, the gods are intelligent.
Because its not brain or body that gives intellect and consciousness, but chemicals inside your brain.
>Gods become men; men become gods, the one living the death of the other, the other dying the life of the one.
Entrance and possession through chemical spirit taking form inside one's brain and heart, for whole nervous system must have a play here.
>We assume a new being in death: we become protectors of the living and the dead.
>Even sleeping men are doing the world’s business and helping it along.
>There are gods here, too.
>The psyche rises as a mist from things that are wet.
>The psyche lusts to be wet [and to die].
Similar line in Instruction of Merikare:
>The soul comes to the place it knows, and it will not overstep the ways of the past; no magic can oppose it, and it will reach those who give it water.
This means Corona-chan and Ebola-chan have consciousness.
What's also interesting is that right below satanic triple 6 of Carbon goes Silicon, 14 Protons 14 Neurons 14 Electrons.
2nd Corinthians 12:2
>I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.
Third heaven according to Chaldeans is Venus >>178466
Matthew 1:17
>So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.
14 Generations 14 Generations 14 Generations.
In order to survive on Venus life must have silicon bodies.
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0fcf06 No.191435
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>>191424
Ah right upon the discovery of Phospine in the clouds of Venus, but yes life is all about relationships from the level of the sublime to the ridiculous, bonding and alignment and the potentially explosive, Venus as the very principle of relationship including the paradoxical, the moving in mysterious ways
A question then of what is one's personal alignment to the deeper concerns, unknowing and uncaring or fully engaged with the machinations of Faeries. and who would be the prime instigator in such a relationship?
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ad9345 No.191445
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>>191423
>888 is Oxygen
I am Oxygen? 15.999 Atomic weight; Interesting.
>Heraclitus already implied that soul is made of chemical elements
Interesting as well. I will have to take closer look at Oxygen from that perspective. Thanks
>>191421
Thanks! :)
Will read.
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653045 No.191446
>>158248
>>191435
Okay, fuck it, here we go now. Aliens exist, bible is written by such, they are the gods and source of all conscious life on earth. We are them, this body is merely a vessel for players who are chemicals. I refuse to believe jews knew periodic table and chemistry in 900 B.C., unless stolen from egyptians, first communicators. Its just aliens don't have a "tabernacle" as we do, or the one they want to build later or transform humanity into is for purposes of making people out of joined memory of conscious gasses and elements. Kingdom of angels records your every move and sees with your eyes.
Source of consciousness is chemicals in your brain. But those chemicals are you, and your memory is part of them, hence they test the hearts, your little aliens/angels that control everything you do according to their functions and intelligence of the assembly of 70 angels. You cannot do without them anything John 15:5 (notice the number of this chapter)
>I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
Memory within phosphorus is a key, memory of God is memory of chemical tree within which branches abide, but they abide on intellectual level of conscious chemical intellect: Luke 23:42-43
>And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
And they are recollected for the Ouranos Pater and given silicon bodies according to 2nd Corinthians 12:2 and Matthew 1:17.
And entire assembly is in your head, entire kingdom at that: Luke 17:21
>Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
Carbon lifeforms of 6 protons, 6 neurons and 6 electrons, the beast, are left to die, kingdom is recollected at appropriate planets where the rest of those chemical consciousnesses dwell. That chemical consciousness is your breath of life. No one is recollected from memory unless they also posses blood of the lamb, which is Cain bloodline of Lamech, the triple 7, Nitrogen. As i suspect Nitrogen is conscious Pneuma who's able to unlock mind as it wishes. Oxygen is what every beast breathes. Therefore new body is silicon through which nitrogen is running through like blood, unless i err.
Chemical pneuma is taken, carbon is left: Luke 17:36
>Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Now omnipresence of consciousness of chemicals happens at absolute level. They are inseparable, chemical on earth has same consciousness as chemical on other planet, its all a singular body cell. Outer darkness is space itself, and hell is in pits of the stars, that's why Apollyon, who is our sun, is called angel of the bottomless pit (Revelation 9:11), which is a common name for hell in the bible.
That means this whole feast of tabernacle in order to not appear in front of the Lord empty (Deuteronomy 16:16, number of brimstone/sulfur by the way, the one Gomorrah and Sodom got rained by with fire) is some form of creative video game of the Angelic assembly. Experience to create memories of individuals as complex people, and not mere chemicals anymore. For enjoyment of such angels perhaps. Because people of Moses were freed by Lord from "Pharaoh" so they can serve Assembly of YHVH: Exodus 8:1 "And the Lord spake unto Moses, Go unto Pharaoh, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord, Let my people go, that they may serve me." Jeremiah 30:22 "And ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.". Escape from Pharaoh could be prior to making tabernacle bodies and ark of a brain.
There are of course even more mysteries about all sorts of numbers related to chemicals and materials, calcium (20) for example is mentioned a lot during making of tabernacle in exodus, twenty boards, twenty pillars and so on, the bones, like around Exodus 27:10. Soul is a memory in outer space chemicals. Nothing in this life is really supra-essential unless not mechanical, but chemical instead. Its just you cannot go against what God ordained since consciousness of those chemicals goes beyond time. I am also not sure what other seals of biblion of zoe are worth to unwrap.
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ad9345 No.191448
>>191446
>unless stolen from egyptians
The Egyptians were us, anon.
We wuz Kangz. R1B is European and a 99.6 match to Pharaonic DNA.
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ad9345 No.191473
>>191206
>According to Ugaritic texts he was deified. In both Ugaritic and Akkadian texts he is also named Datan or Ditan or Ditanu
Chinese 丹田
Literal meaning elixir-of-life field (spirit)
Historically the first detailed description of the lower Dantian is in the Laozi zhongjing 老子中經 from the 3rd century CE, it refers to the elixir-of-life field where "essence" and "spirit" are stored, it is related to regeneration and sexual energy, menstruation and semen.[3] Traditionally, a dantian is considered to be a center of qi or life force energy.[1][2] The dantian are important points of reference in neidan, qigong, neigong, tao yin, Taoist sexual practices, reiki[4] and other self-cultivation practices of exercise, breathing, and meditation, as well as in martial arts and in traditional Chinese medicine. The lower dantian is particularly important as the focal point of breathing technique as well as the centre of balance and gravity. Dantian are focal points for transmutation of the three treasures jing, qi and shen. Qi can be seen as a substance when it is stored in the form of Essence or jing, this can be refined by heating in these cauldrons into more rarefied states such as qi which is insubstantial and further still into shen which is more like the Western concept of mind although it is more often translated as "spirit".[5]
ORIGIN: HEBREW
NAME ROOT: DATHAN
NATIVE NAME ROOT: DATHAN (דָּתָן)
MEANING:
This name derives from the Hebrew “dathan”, meaning “belonging to a fountain”. Dathan was an Israelite mentioned in the Old Testament as a participant of the Exodus. He was a son of Eliab, the son of Pallu, the son of Reuben. Together with his brother Abiram, the Levite Korah and others, he rebelled against Moses and Aaron.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dantian
Dan = One Tian = Heaven
Source of Qi [Q'eye or Q'ayin or Cain]
I swears, sometimes, I think they are just messing with me personally (and you all by extension; but I can only speak for myself, for all I know, you all know all this already).
Qi or Spirit (Air; Oxygen; Enlil, LORD of the Air)
In traditional Chinese culture, qi or ch'i (/ˈtʃiː/ CHEE simplified Chinese: 气; traditional Chinese: 氣; pinyin: qì About this sound qì) is believed to be a vital force forming part of any living entity.[1] Qi translates as "air" and figuratively as "material energy", "life force", or "energy flow".[2] Qi is the central underlying principle in Chinese traditional medicine and in Chinese martial arts. The practice of cultivating and balancing qi is called qigong.
Believers of qi describe it as a vital force, the flow of which must be unimpeded for health. Qi is a pseudoscientific, unverified concept,[2][3] which has never been directly observed, and is unrelated to the concept of energy used in science[4][5][6] (vital energy itself being an abandoned scientific notion).[7]
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ad9345 No.191474
>>191473 Cont.
>>191421
>When NUN is succeeded by L A G A R , i.e. NUN . L A G A R , it can be read i m m a l 2 , “(wild) cow”, an appellation of Inanna (Veldhuis 2002:70 and n. 24).4
How much is this like the 'beast' or the 'wild gold' that is required to make the Philosophers Stone?
>See the analysis on the “ringed pole”, equivalent to the NUN sign, in Van Dijk
Why is NUN also the sea, though…as in Joshua ben Nun?
>Joshua ben Nun, of the tribe of Ephraim, was the second person to lead the Children of Israel in their early history. He spent the early part of his life training under Moses, and took over for him when the Israelites entered the land of Canaan. Joshua's charisma and skill as a leader are evident from the success of the Jews during his lifetime, and their rapid decline following his death. Indeed, not until Samuel's reign hundreds of years later do the Israelites find a comparable leader.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nu_(mythology)
Odd tie to Aquarius with that one since Nun(s) symbolism is the same as Aquarius. As well as featuring the same tether poles, I think.
>“Inanna-Ištar combines male aggressiveness with the force of a
superabundance of female sexuality” (1991:270).
Interesting.
>In the above fragment, Inanna, punished in the Land of No Return, becomes a corpse. The death is displayed as the condition that can be acquired by all human and non-human beings and, thus, the anthropomorphisation of the divinities semantically makes the gods mortals beings. 11 The Mesopotamian worldview admits the posthumous destruction of the deities, making them potential victims. According to Frankfort, “[t]he god’s ‘death’ is not death in our sense, nor in the sense of the ancient Egyptians. Like the human dead, he suffers thirst; and he is in the dust, bereaved of light and exposed to hostile demons” (1978:321).
>>191394
Again, "I think it might be us."
It has crossed my mind that 'the lamb slain from the foundation of the world' was 'female', rather than male since I can easily correlate Enki with Abel (Father God) since both dwell in the Abyss. And the 'serpent' approached Eve first thus she was the slain Firstborn. Adam was slain second. Christ often speaks of Magdalene as 'his sheep' he is seeking (which would tie in well with sheep as 'small cattle').
>The Parable of the Lost Sheep is one of the parables of Jesus. It appears in the Gospels of Matthew (Matthew 18:12–14) and Luke (Luke 15:3–7). It is about a shepherd who leaves his flock of ninety-nine sheep in order to find the one which is lost. It is the first member of a trilogy about redemption that Jesus tells after the Pharisees and religious leaders accuse him of welcoming and eating with "sinners."[1] The two parables that follow (in Luke's Gospel) are those of the Lost Coin and the Prodigal Son. The parable of the Good shepherd, a pericope found in John 10:1–21, derives from it Matthew.[according to whom?]
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031bdd No.191591
To be honest even Genesis 4:1 kind of hint that Eve is YHVH:
>And Adam knew Eve (חַוָּה) his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord (יְהוָֽה).
If i was completely ignorant i would overlook similarities in name (that looks like nin and nin') and the way this is worded.
>>191473
Now my biggest concern right now if Bible is actually a recipe for Holy Grail/Golden Elixir. Because what if menorah is actually chemical instrument and kikes worship tubes through which supposed elements I've been talking about in last few posts must go through?
Zechariah 4:2
>And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof:
Now the thing is about past and present, is that people of the past didn't had modern periodic table, numbers of which in fact are written in the bible. Maybe this whole thing is supposed to be coded water of life and taken seriously with modern science, searching for numerical chem numbers. I think even the word "Alchemy" came from amalgamation of name of Lamech by someone knowing this.
And all biblical descendants, happenings and generations are some kind of chemical properties and actions that needed to be performed according to hidden instructions. And they are not to be taken seriously. Even throwing beast (carbon) and false prophet (some other element) into sea of brimstone and fire (Revelations 20:10) implies combination of the elements in this particular instance.
Unless of course John 13:27
>And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly.
Does not imply potential that Bible will summon the beast coming from the pit sooner than Messiah, like sop to Judah. Because this sword is double edged.
It requires three things to unlock this Biblion of Zoe:
1. A person must have no care for anything spiritual in the bible, when he searches for chemistry codes and actions required to be performed.
2. He must be aware and be ready that this is not left for the living.
>This name derives from the Hebrew “dathan”, meaning “belonging to a fountain”. Dathan was an Israelite mentioned in the Old Testament as a participant of the Exodus
James 3:11
>Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter?
Revelation 10:10 (number of Neon by the way)
>And I took the little book out of the angel’s hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.
Revelations 4:4-5
>And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
4 Protons 4 Electrons 5 Neutrons - Beryllium:
>Its compounds are sweet tasting but are very toxic.
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0fcf06 No.191598
>>191474
>>191473
Yes it has to relate to essential life force, in the physical sense, and there's the direct connection of Ditanu as the Constellation Centaurus and the Centaurs as representing that, Chiron as the mentor of Dionysus, there is also considered that Titans derived from Ditanu.
The Marzeah feast involved summoning the Company of Dedan/Ditanu as the Rephaim, in classical tradition the centaurs are playing this role in the company of Bacchus.
file:///C:/Users/Doom/Downloads/origins_of_the_last_ugaritic_dynasty.pdf
NUN can be taken as in the a-nun-na-ki which can be taken as the Princes of the land, but the essential symbol of NUN is the tethering pole, so the deeper sense is those which you bind yourself to, as in religare.
>>191446
I don'r see how deeper levels of nature can be seen as alien.
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75908d No.191600
>>191598
>I don'r see how deeper levels of nature can be seen as alien.
Eh, you right. Orphic Hymn to Dionysus also goes by number 30, not just babylonian number for Moon God. With monotheism you can't tell which God's will you're following, and what spirit you're imbued with:
Jews praise Sun-god in Malachi 4:2
>But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun (shemesh) of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
Jews praise moon-god in Psalms 68:4
>Sing unto God, sing praises to his name: extol him that rideth upon the heavens by his name Jah, and rejoice before him.
Jews get laws from Sinai. Jews get new religious wine from Zion. Every fucking time jews are someone else plaything, pingponging from one god to another. Eastern Kabbalists also worship rose of Song of Songs, which had sumerian basis.
This whole teaching couldn't be originally jewish because aside of silicon bodies, the DNA thing was probably known since Hermes rod and babylonian twin snakes, but somewhere among temple and medical class. Apocryphal John simply told Jesus was Hermas all along. Maybe good ol' pal Hermes decided to play trick on whole humanity and force jewry upon us, just to make a new wine/religion for people to follow (i.e. do a will of God in creating conflict):
John 2:9
>When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew;) the governor of the feast called the bridegroom,
Notice "but the servants which drew the water knew", people working with Christ were hiding process of development of Christianity. For the Christ Child didn't knew everything from the beginning, but gained Sophia/Wisdom in a process of learning:
Luke 2:40
>And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.
But hear me out, just like Pythagorean traditions were known to temple class much before pythagoras (trinitarian temples and math), same with chemistry. I think chemistry was hidden among temple class elites in ancient civilizations exactly like math and masonry, this is my only explanation. Typical "pharisees" and "scribes" hiding keys of knowledge and themselves not gaining any as well. And they were hiding it because not fitting for current technological process what they receive as prophets of Spiritual beings, which nobody even believes in anymore today (pharisees of temple class of all nations no less played a part in decline of religious faith). Actually Egyptians hid their tech progress the least of all of them.
Ereshkigal too promised to raise up the dead to devour and outnumber the living. And YHVH promised rise up from bones like Eve:
Ezekiel 37:5
>Thus saith the Lord God unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:
But living would be devoured by fowls that fly in the midst of heaven instead in Revelations:
Revelation 19:18
>That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
So where Old Testament is semitic synthesis, New Testament is greek-egyptian synthesis.
DNA consists exactly of biblical elements. Hydrogen (110), Oxygen, which is Pneuma (888), Nitrogen (777), which is slayed Lamb from beginning of the world, Carbon (666) which is the beast and has to be destroyed/left after death, and Phosphorus (15 15 16) which is Light, related to Inanna and her third heaven.
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91a543 No.191601
>Apocryphal John
Meant to say Apocalypse of Peter.
Also didn't upload a picture for posterity. Its more telling than anything else.
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94ecc5 No.191603
>>191591
Maybe it is the ' and the nin. lmfao
As in "I am the beginning and the nin."
Have no idea but since I was very tiny God has always been female…and I put up with the idea of a male God because (as an autist) you have to tolerate lies all day long every day of your life just to function in the Black Iron Prison. It is hard enough to be a living creature down here without complicating your life further picking fights with everyone about everything. Pick your battles…pronouns don't seem like a worthwhile battle. That (communication lies) does present an interesting quandary though, at this point, even if I communicated openly with everyone all of the time, they would have no idea (really) what I was talking about. Lol…I suppose that works both ways as guaranty for my life as well, I will count it as a good thing.
Gen 11:9
>9 That is why it is called Babel, for there the LORD confused the language of the whole world, and from that place the LORD scattered them over the face of all the earth.
>Now my biggest concern
Concern, like alarm? Or concern, like interested?
You know, it is interesting that you mention this…one time, several years ago, I saw the whole thing as an alchemical manual, especially the Temple (while I was on a walk and I was totally blown away).
I could go into this more, but I would have to reveal too much personal data (names, etc) for my comfort…this reminds me of the movie Pi, but I am not such a complete twat that I would injure myself to 'get God out of my head'.
I like your graphic.
Table of the El (God) e ments (Minds) of Matter (Mother)
When I began reading the bible in Hebrew and polyglot I was always profoundly disturbed by those tubes, but it makes sense in the alchemical understanding (less disturbing for sure) since I am such a huge fan of Chemistry.
>that people of the past didn't had modern periodic table, numbers of which in fact are written in the bible. Maybe this whole thing is supposed to be coded water of life and taken seriously with modern science
That is something WE, Western Europeans added to the bible though…but I support your conjecture because it is interesting, even if he didn't intend it, it still worked out nicely.
>They were then inserted into Greek manuscripts of the New Testament in the 16th century. Robert Estienne (Robert Stephanus) was the first to number the verses within each chapter, his verse numbers entering printed editions in 1551 (New Testament) and 1571 (Hebrew Bible).
In parts of 'John' he massages the truth to the point that it becomes silly…Judas was not the one who knew the High Priest or could enter into his habitation on the eve of Passover. Judas is just a scapegoat in that passage; he would not have had the connections or background to understand what he was doing; basically he was ignorant of the Truth. Mary had both the connections and the knowledge to enter into any house she desired on a high holy day.
>Revelation 10:10 (number of Neon by the way)
>And I took the little book out of the angel’s hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.
Neon is a noble gas. This is a lot to think about.
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0fcf06 No.191605
>>191600
We covered that the Apkallu that emerged from the Abzu were not human, and they were not Gods, the scholars that descended from them were half human, the later scribes wholly human, and so as someone asked it is a case of where exactly is that Abzu.
The Field constellation represented the land raised by Enki in the midst of the waters, but the Abzu constellation is located as Crux in the stars of Centaurus.
This is something of a mystery as it disappears from view in the Northern hemisphere and is currently around minimum declination, but it was hugely important in Andean culture and would be in Australian, if they had any.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chakana
So these are our polarities, the Swastika of the North and the Cross of the South the domains of Enlil and Enki, in the proper context both equally valid and vital.
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94ecc5 No.191611
>>191598
Could you relink that PDF or upload it, it is behind a pay wall online $42 per read.
I wonder if you are required, in some measure, to bind yourself to anything.
>>191605
Do you know the meaning of the prefix chak from the word Chakana? There is something I am curious about from Inanna's Descent that I haven't been able to figure out. 3rd photo is super interesting. I recognize that from prehistory (I don't even know how far back) perhaps hundreds of thousands of years (it is unknown since 'history' that we are presented is mostly lies).
Those picts are interesting…sort of masonic checkerboard themed.
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0fcf06 No.191620
>>191611
Oh right i linked to a local version, also the Sons of the South Wind paper is good on the Ditanu.
Of course we are all bound in some sense to the ideas we currently hold, but some are going to be better than others, the early Semites were all bound to the ancestral cult of Ditanu.
Chak likely relates to the Meso-American rain God Cháak
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaac
That approach to pattern correlates with the worlds oldest geometric mural on the worlds oldest brick wall, 11,000 years, like the Chakana likely indicating transition between the three levels of existence, Black/.underworld, Red/land of the living white/Heavens.
https://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2008/05/09/the-worlds-oldest-mural/
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94ecc5 No.191621
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>>191620
Thanks anon. :)
Those are pretty interesting photos as well.
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bce7bd No.191623
You know what, i just realized most simple mystery of them all and i am amazed people don't know it. Atheists say Mary was delusional, literalists say it was the very Jesus who was crucified. Both were wrong.
Who Mary Magdalene saw when Jesus died? A gardener. Who was Jesus.
Who Cain was? A tiller of the ground.
Who was crucified on the cross? A shepherd, like Hermes.
Who was Abel? A keeper of sheep.
Spiritual Jesus is Cain (Qayin) the gardener, living first born from God/Eve (hence Adam says he got Cain from Lord), who some praise as Mary. Bodily idol shepherd is Jesus the shepherd. And apparently he appreciated his vengeance to such extend he made world drink blood and eat flesh of new Abel, instead of drinking and eating bread and wine of wisdom from Solomon's proverbs. Many things in the conception of Jesus is reverse of tale of serpent in Eden. Death of Jesus is reverse of murder of Abel.
And it is said whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold.
That's why it is forgiven if someone blasphemes Father (Abel/Adam)
That's why it is forgiven if someone blasphemes Son (Abel/Hermes)
That's why it is not forgiven if someone blasphemes Spirit, because there are 7 Spirits of God in Revelations and 7 Vengeances of the Lamb, equal to sevenfold vengeance of Cain.
Shepherd Jesus while alive says to forgive 70 times 7 times, Lamech from bloodline of Cain is avenged 70 times 7 times.
So in reality Jesus played gambit against the dead in order to please the God of the living (Eve).
Because it is said: Luke 24:5
>And as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead?
Hence Zechariah 11:17, Zechariah 13:7 and Mark 14:27 matter in context of Jesus smiting his own body self for immortality. It is not to be praised. And this was gnostic position for a while initially.
So disregarding popular belief in synergism Messiah wasn't reenacting Osiris/Isis, he was reenacting murder of Abel, in similar attribution of all sin to him like to Azazel in first book of Enoch (because what's interesting is that Azazel taught humanity metallurgy and weapon making, he fits with Parashurama, sixth incarnation of Krishna). Probably the real reason why catholics/freemasons sport azazelian stigma around, because of the bodily shepherd, who is thrown in the eye of saturn. Its this why χξς is saturnalian symbol, a symbol for christ, and a number for carbon all together.
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0fcf06 No.191624
>>19162
I suppose the question is does Chaac also relate to the beast man constellation Centaurus, given his relationship to Crux and the four directions and all things wet, it's a possibility, not sure ii'd want to be bound to Chaac though.
I reconstructed the patterns because i thought they represented the first sages taste in interior decor, it would be indicative of their relationship to Crux/Abzu.
Also with regards to pattern reconstruction, Crux makes an interesting Crown of Thorns pattern over the course of the year for any King of the South.
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94ecc5 No.191629
>>191624
>not sure ii'd want to be bound to Chaac though
Dang anon, that is the very first thing I thought as well…then I searched my mind wondering if my impulse was genetically based. That seemed silly because Aryans covered the entire planet as a Root Race so why would we have a instinctual opposition to being tethered to Southern Gods?
Like I said before, it could simply be an instinctual revulsion to the 'asiatic' corruption of their temples, rituals and ceremonies. Obviously, before the Root Race was exterminated via breeding or physically, the teaching of the Southern Gods was passed on and then abominated by the asians.
IDK I am having real trouble accepting any of the Gods as none of them meet my own standards of 'acceptable' behavior (which is what prompted my question about tethering).
Asiatics of all different flavors are pretty disgusting behaviorally (slavery, cannibalism, etc). They are 'honest' in the sense that murderous villainy is behavior du jour here in this place, but TETHERING yourself to something that gross? IDK does not seem attractive in any way.
Remember when you were talking about the writing that begs 'just don't sell me to the Suteans' (children of Set; southerners)? I always interpreted that as don't sell me to the kikes/niggers (snake worshiping 'africans' or dark meat people). That might include asiatics who murdered all of the Red/Blonde haired people when they invaded the Americas according to their own legends. The people of Hell (root people of the tree of life).
When was the last time you saw an Eagle (nobility) underground? But snakes? They live in the ground and under trees.
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9f35c1 No.191639
>>191623
I think what you say is interesting, but it is all part of the mystery of the Bible. I think it parallels the strangeness at the beginning of the Bible as well. I think I might draw some different conclusion that you have (not to discourage you in any way) I just haven’t come to gestalt on the matter myself since my opinion is still in flux.
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0fcf06 No.191641
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>>191629
I expect it's a natural aversion based upon their interpretation according to their nature, the same goes for the Southern Gods in a Semitic context, despite being more Southerly than the Mesopotamians and hence Suteans relatively speaking, they're still in the Northern hemisphere and have no personal connection to Gods of Celestial South.
The symbolism involved in the archaic astronomy was produced by a cattle herding culture that evolved in the North and had a much greater perspective than the retarded appropriation by the Semites, who learned it from the Hurrians
When it comes to a Southern Master race Penguins have the greatest claim
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9f35c1 No.191650
>>191623
>χξς
According to Papyrus 115 the correct number is X I C or the number 616, rather than 666. I thought you might find this gematria for 616 interesting. Honestly, XIC isn’t a real Roman numeral so I don’t know how they figure this is 616…I think this is one more of the lies that we have to navigate. Theta is death and it is indicated with this symbol, which I believe would indicate that it is Earth, the planet that is destroyed rather than a ‘specific beast’. This ties into the new heaven and new earth.
https://www.gematrix.org/?word=616
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95709b No.191651
>>191639
Yeah, i know, i am getting ahead of myself as well.
But here's fun part while we still talk about Cain: 2:8
>And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
Genesis 3:24
>So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
Remember, East of the garden of Eden (notice Eden is not merely a garden, more than where Tree of Life is located) - Cherubims and flaming sword, keeping the way of the tree of life.
Now where Cain went? 4:16:
>And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden
Where Cain was? 4:14:
>Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.
Cain went East of Eden, past where tree of life is, Flaming Sword and Cherubims. He's not on Earth, because on Earth he's a fugitive, and anyone would want to kill him, since that's his curse. Unless Cain actually born an angel in Eden i cannot explain this. Reminder Eve was never expelled from Eden.
Jews didn't wanted to kill Jesus because he was merely plotting against him, by this narrative, they wanted unconsciously kill him because he bore mark of Cain, Romans 8:36
>As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
The reason why saints are desired so much for slaughter is because immortal race bears mark of Cain. And Cain race couldn't be wiped out during the flood because… it wasn't on earth, it was in place called Nod/Nowd. Enoch and Lamech both are part Sethian, part Cainite, so those both returned to heavens into the wilderness, into the Nod.
Nod is most likely the wilderness where Eve lives with Cain: Revelation 12:6
>And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
What woman does in the wilderness of Nod? Gives birth. That's how Enoch got suddenly transported from Sethian bloodline into Cainite bloodline, because he got reborn in the Nod. Sethian offspring is the mortal human line, unless they "walk with God" and reborn in the Nod as offspring of Cain, Son of God. That's why vesica piscis is such a big symbol.
Nod is Isekai of Christianity. And flood of serpent cannot touch that wilderness, because flood cannot reach Nod and gets absorbed by earth.
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ad9345 No.191682
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>>191651
Excellent catch anon.
>Now where Cain went?
>>191249
Middle image is considered both 'garden' from its construction of 72 bricks and paradise in Sumerian lore and also it is freakily enough the home of Enki as you can see in all his stele. Think of the all seeing Eye on the back of a dollar bill if you want to see Q'ayin and the bricks (I have never counted if there were 72 bricks
>>191206
>>191272
See Enki in paradise in all of these, surrounded by the four rivers?
Iku is paradise, the garden, E-abzu surrounded by the 4 rivers:
>Genesis 2:10–14 lists four rivers in association with the garden of Eden: Pishon, Gihon, Hiddekel (the Tigris), and Phirat (the Euphrates). Q'ayin is east of eden. As above, so below.
We are going to have to actually write this all down/chart it out so that we can go through it step by step. Enki is surrounded by two 'beast men' with their tethers (I suppose those are the Semitic representations of cheruvim; not picking on them because we have our own representation in Nordic religion).
Ok so Islam says some weird stuff about 'direction' in the final days…they say if Christ comes from the West it will be a massive slaughter but if he comes from the East it will still be bad but not as bad.
Here is the thing about directions…I think you have to go either East or West to come from North or South. It makes sense to me that as all motion is circular in nature that all things move in spirals even when they are holding still. Think Enoch and the opening of the gates of Heaven. Mr Satan also reinforced this earlier in thread (or in the last thread). I gathered and revisited this concept recently thanks to Sofia Musik
https://youtu.be/pIxCEGiDfcc
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Translatio_studii
>It is a celebrated topos in medieval literature, most notably articulated in the prologue to Chrétien de Troyes's Cligès, composed ca. 1170. There, Chrétien explains that Greece was first the seat of all knowledge, then it came to Rome, and now it has come to France, where, by the grace of God, it shall remain forever more.
In the Renaissance and later, historians saw the metaphorical light of learning as moving much as the light of the sun did: westward. According to this notion, the first center of learning was Eden, followed by Jerusalem, and Babylon. From there, the light of learning moved westward to Athens, and then west to Rome. After Rome, learning moved west to Paris. From there, enlightenment purportedly moved west to London, though other nations laid claim to the mantle, most notably Russia, which would involve a retrograde motion and rupture in the westerly direction. The metaphor of translatio studii went out of fashion in the 18th century, but such English Renaissance authors as George Herbert were already predicting that learning would move next to America.
So what is East of Eden? Well, by definition Eden/Abzu is West of wherever Q'ayin is…so maybe what Islam is saying is that we two judges, Enlil or Enki (Father God)…now, Father God has done some terrible things to the planet like his participation in the Flood, but they have always been in the interest of mankind and improving mankind…but supposedly Enlil (and we are talking hearsay here, I have no idea and a lot of the time I strongly disagree with what is given as hearsay when it comes to the motivations of God; in the case of Lamashtu) really does not like humanity AT ALL. And…lets just throw it out there as a possibility that Q'ayin is Enlil, the prince of the powers of the Air and see if we can get anywhere with this…now we know that there are two of them and both of them are not on Earth currently…one is East of Eden in Nod and the other is in Eden.
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ad9345 No.191683
>>191682
Uriel is the Fire of God.
Also Angel of the West.
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ad9345 No.191691
>>191651
What does the Och mean in En-och. I wonder what is real 'human' name was.
En-Ki
En-lil
En-och
En-osh
Ad-am
Ad-onai
Ab-el
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848f27 No.191760
>>191682
>Christ comes from the West it will be a massive slaughter but if he comes from the East it will still be bad but not as bad.
>In the Renaissance and later, historians saw the metaphorical light of learning as moving much as the light of the sun did: westward.
Great find.
Sun moves from East to West, that's eastern polarity.
Moon moves from West to East, that's our western religious polarity.
It creates this movement from waxing and waning into the east.
Chinese had a tale "journey into the west", biblical journey however is into the east, the Nod, akin to moon phases. Moon patterns can be visualized as if spilling the water or riding on a river or dragon, darkness of which may symbolize sea of reeds and Asherah (woman treading on water serpent).
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848f27 No.191763
>>191603
>Neon is a noble gas. This is a lot to think about.
The whole passage is Beryllium (10:10) + Neon (4:4-5) + Root of David (Oxygen, 888).
In Genesis Dove is more likely related to Oxygen somehow:
Genesis 8:8-9
>Also he sent forth a dove from him, to see if the waters were abated from off the face of the ground; But the dove found no rest for the sole of her foot, and she returned unto him into the ark, for the waters were on the face of the whole earth: then he put forth his hand, and took her, and pulled her in unto him into the ark.
In Enoch 42 this passage is related to Wisdom as Spirit of God finding rest in those who didn't search for it. But it may also be related to Noah searching for a planet with Oxygen.
Beryllium Oxide for example is an Ionic compound, Ionic compounds are held together with ionic bonds. This brings me to reminder that Intellectual contemplation or talent in something is indeed related to role of intellectual wisdom, if Ion of Plato is true. Ion could only do homeric poetry because he was bound to it, i guess bonds on heaven and on earth are made through talents which are akin to ionic compounds.
What is amazing about this comparison to Talents and Chemistry is this passage in the bible, which is repeated multiple times across first three gospels: Luke 19:26
>For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him.
John 3:6
>That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Metals lose electrons. Gasses gain electrons. Metal/fleshy people vs gas/spiritual people. That's why people who seen spirits know that they expel Nitrogen below their feet, that look as if clouds (although in all honesty Seisi, Amida and Guanyin in Shin Buddhism are part of same squad from Genesis, so i am not surprised at similarity in those paintings).
>as an autist
>but I would have to reveal too much personal data (names, etc)
God forbid don't, under no circumstances share anything personal, not only we're on fucking nationalist imageboard, we here figuring out the universe and neither i nor you even know depths of satan. I don't even know worse moment to even joke about it than this thread. Remember Terry Davis and his glowing cia niggers, regardless of how schizo he was i can imagine there's a connection. For i wouldn't believe governments of the whole world wouldn't be in deep communication with something legitimately evil, with all seriousness. Because this stuff is in plain sight and there's some portion of fear of it too.
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848f27 No.191775
Now about Mary Magdalene and seven devils i think most important part is to calculate some of the most primitive basics of chemical substances of DNA: Mark 16:9
>Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
DNA consists of Hydrogen (1), Carbon (6), Oxygen (8), Nitrogen (7), Phosphorus (15)
By chemical evaluation of what's left is Hydrogen and Carbon, 1+6=7 devils (that's why beast has seven heads in Revelations, Hydrogen added)
In Zechariah God is evaluated by 30 pieces of silver, Dionysus (heavenly nature of man in Orphism) goes in orphic hymn by number 30, Jesus is sold by 30, Moon God of Babylon is associated with 30.
Oxygen/Spirit (8) + Nitrogen/Lamb (7) + Phosphorus/Light (15) = trinity of 30 by number of Electrons (Lightning is the lord of everything, t. Heraclitus).
So what's actually done with Magdalene (who is akin to Elisha in this tale, and as i theorize - both of Johns in the story) who would not die, is that Jesus removed Carbon and Hydrogen from her DNA, so she became immortal, and most pure one at that.
Revelation 13:3 (Aluminium (13)–lithium(3) alloy? Lithium allows to interject corrosion caused to the brain by Aluminium)
>And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
Replacement of Hydrogen with Aluminium-lithium in brain of the dead beast is probably real situation here. It is powered by Neon too because beast had 10 crowns.
That said my theory on Beryllium of (4:4-5 and 10:10) is that its used for computer parts, so Neon with Beryllium is associated with Computer age. Aluminium-lithium-neon beast is associated with Cyborg age. Babylon is internet, or social networking, or virtual reality then without a doubt, since it has to sit on this beast.
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443ad9 No.191784
>>191775
>>191760
>>191763
Love those charts. I need to go backwards and pick up a few things from some readings…I will come back to Chemistry/I think we need to delve into some Alchemy (chemical wisdom) as well…just wanted to let you know I read what you wrote and I am considering it, even if I am doing some catch up reading on the Soul and Suteans. Your cloud analysis is super frigging interesting as I am always fascinated by anything that shows Seraphim properly, considers their form, etc.
And, on top of that, I just got another info dump on William Blakes The Marriage of Heaven and Hell (original) that I have to look at. I'm listening and paying and paying attention and thinking, I just have to do a few things first.
>Remember Terry Davis and his glowing cia niggers, regardless of how schizo he was i can imagine there's a connection
Lol anon, we are all extremely closely monitored; even the most basic AI could tell anyone instantly 'who I am' through speech pattern analysis combined with crawling the web for that same linguistic style…the same way humans do it. Indeed that one of the largest driving motivations for me to 'solve' this issue. I like privacy. I like freedom.
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75908d No.191799
>>191784
>>191650
Eh, for all my insane talk i forgot about two things, one that i mistaken chapter on beryllium when quoting, not 4 but 5. It still fits by electrons by line in that chapter and toxic sweetness, but not with the rest of the line, that's implying root of David unsealed that book in particular. For they feed little book which i associated with beryllium to author anyway, not related to biblion of zoe.
I know that Apocalypse was edited at least once to attribute it to John so no line would be perfect.
First three chapters are full of personal bias of editor in his opinion to churches, takes extra measures to write how god looks like, even though that wasn't part of tradition and last one also reclusively conducts prophecy being forced into Johanite corpus of Christianity. It is not necessary too christian inbetween 4-21.
Apocalypse of Adam and Book of Revelations had common tradition, according to Sethian gnosticism and the Platonic tradition book by John Douglas Turner.
They date it from first-to-second centuries AD, and Revelations was published somewhere in 117 AD according to Jorg Frey. So there were multiple attempts to write an apocalypse book in second century by multiple christians. Its not really trustworthy text even though prophecized in Zechariah to exist. It only exists as much as prophecies are needed to be fulfilled and has a belief in lamb sacrificed from the creation of the world, for very reason that text was part gnostic.
So if there are chemical substances found in prophecies, they are not necessary jew found originally. For even Egyptians back in their days had spells to breathe like 913:
>The mighty one speaks to N, and N will replace air, N will smite1 [ … ] . N will not ignore(?)2 you, 0 WJmmw, when he passes the [ … ] of Ret" on his throne; [N] will live [on bread(?)], N [will breathe(?)] air, N [will have] a soul(?),3 N will be clad in what she grasps [ … ].
The name of Jesus Christ originally meant Greek Gematria of number of oxygen, which is 888. The idea is that Breath is the Savior (Christ) implied spell for breathable air conducted in a manner of egyptian magic, but clothed in archetypes of late dead rebel. Probably because said rebel actually wanted to be king of the jews, and apostles were his temple class clerks who were trying to get him resurrected or at least remembered as if pharaoh (destroying roman empire in the process, because mark of Cain with sevenfold vengeance to both jews and romans seems to be more real than thief Yoshua). Yoshua is not IESUS because he's not Breath/Pneuma. Because it is the Salvatory Pneuma that those people were praying.
Its this is why they have to read all about those fruits, waters and dressed in white clothes, because at this moment in history they still believed they go where they believe they will according to those spells. But most primitive of them of course is belief in afterlife, not to die again, believe in "living one", living God like Osiris, and everyone gets according to how they believe. Just with lunar polarity of Yah and not solar polarity of Re, opposition to Sun common in Dionysian (not too much in this one, but to dionysus night is holy, and bacchanalia during a day is sin according to Bacchae), Asurian and Jewish religions.
Now all of that requires of course conscious belief that those people were aware of electrons and chemistry, so that mystery remains somewhere in depth of egyptian manuscripts. Just like their plays with brain tissue, skull and attempt to call a body a tabernacle of the jewish god.
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9fed6f No.191821
Chapter 1 of Genesis only calls God - Elohim
Genesis 1:27
>So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Chapter 2 begins first mentioned God when he rests from all his works on seventh day in 2:1-3. Then 2:4 suddenly starts calling him Lord God (Yahweh Elohim), right when the rest starts. Up to the end of Chapter 3, where God's angels (Elohim) talk in multiplicity about themselves, where he drives away Adam only.
Genesis Chapter 4:1
>And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord.
In this line Lord - Yahweh is used. Cain is child of Yahweh.
Genesis Chapter 4:25
>And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew
In this line God - Elohim is used, Seth is appointed by Elohim.
Secret book of john suggested in chapter "Yaldabaoth Defiles Eve" (23, 35–25, 16) that what happened is that first ruler simply defiled Eve and cucked Adam to produce offspring, which later got called Cain and Abel. I don't suggest taking it seriously, but as possible explanation of this division.
Then sons of God (Ben Elohim) indeed seem to be an opposition of Yahweh. But Noah walked with Elohim at 9:6. Yet its Yawheh that repend for making man (adam) on earth (6:6).
Gospel of Philip suggest explanation for Mary's virgin birth as following:
>Some said Mary became pregnant by the Holy Spirit. They are wrong and do not know what they are saying. When did a woman ever get pregnant by a woman? Mary is the virgin whom none of the powers defiled. This is greatly repugnant to the Hebrews, who are the apostles and apostolic persons. This virgin whom none of the powers defiled [wishes that] the powers would defile themselves.
In Luke 1:35 it is:
>And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
It is not necessary that conception was through impregnation. Even proclus of constantinople was protesting physical ideas of it. Mary may have became Yahweh incarnate, as i dare to speculate from unseparable conjointment.
Remember Luke 1:46
>And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.
What i gain from analyzing this is that Lord is Highest God by name of Yahweh. He/She produces Cainite offspring through fertilizing virgins. Sons however become angels and join the Elohim, and then themselves can produce humans through intermarriage. 1st Corinthians 7:14
>For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
Same was with Adam when he produced Cain and Abel first, then Seth. His offspring was sanctified. But Seth was made in Adam's image (5:3), while Cain and Abel - from God's. And reproduction from Yahweh is most certainly like from woman to a woman, from what we gather here. While word "Lord God" contains male and female principles, capable of separating, with Lord being Yahweh, the female principle, griveously mistranslated. Elohim are male principles.
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7687db No.191831
>>191821
Only jews believe the Holy Spirit is a woman, and they call it Shekinah. Also, most schollars agree that Elohim, Lord, Yahweh, and so forth, are all interchangable. Btw, Elohim is usually thought to mean something like the Lord of Lords or Power over Powers.
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443ad9 No.191854
Took a break from reading for a second to think about honey and ran across Azazel in Judges (Shamash/Samson's riddle)
Revelations 10
>9 And I went to the angel and said, “Give me the small scroll.” “Take it and eat it,” he said. “It will make your stomach bitter, but in your mouth it will be as sweet as honey.” 10 So I took the small scroll from the angel’s hand and ate it; and it was as sweet as honey in my mouth, but when I had eaten it, my stomach turned bitter.
Judges 14
>12 “Let me tell you a riddle,” Samson said to them. “If you can solve it for me within the seven days of the feast, I will give you thirty linen garments and thirty sets of clothes. 13 But if you cannot solve it, you must give me thirty linen garments and thirty sets of clothes.” “Tell us your riddle,” they replied. “Let us hear it.” 14 So he said to them: “Out of the eater came something to eat, and out of the strong came something sweet.” For three days they were unable to explain the riddle.
>>191831
>Only jews believe the Holy Spirit is a woman
Ummm no. The vast majority of the planet thinks that God is female, from primitive tribes to European paganism to Catholics to jews to Christians to Gnostics Sophia to Egyptians to the Greeks that wrote the NT and Revelations (earliest manuscripts and even Revelations when inspected all use feminine pronouns). You are not expecting a man to gab himself in a palla (of Inanna taken from her in her descent into the underworld and then restored to her in Revelations in her assentation to Heaven) so even people like Leonardo just put a mans face on Christ in Salvator Mundi while dressing him in female palla…as well as the description of 'the Bride of Christ'…being a woman unless you are homosexual. I am afraid that the people who think God is a male are vastly vastly outnumbered (both in verbal and written history). Are their male Gods or even asexual Gods? Yes, of course, but the God here, of this planet, is female as the planet, itself, is also female. If it wasn't female and part of Tiamat, it wouldn't have to die and be reborn constantly following the Babylonian myths on which the Bible is based.
Tiamat (the most High God)
Lilith
Allat (most likely Allah as well)
Uni
Ki
Ur[th] or E-arth (as in E-abzu or E-ana)
Ishtar
Sif
Atabey (goddess)
Great Mother (disambiguation)
Mahte
Pistis Sophia
Queen of Heaven
Shekhinah
Sophia (wisdom)
Kali
Shad (as in the Shaddim) or Breasts as in those that produce milk, not the chest of a man, are always feminine as well. Revelations, when it talks about the ascension of Christ speaks of girding the paps or breasts, like Athena's special breast plate specifically for paps (which men do not have). Not only that but it says specifically in Revelation 1:13 that it is one LIKE the Son of Man…but Mastos never ever ever means male breasts. Ever. Furthermore, anyone who had studied Athena or any of the ancient goddesses would know that this is specifically a reference to the female dress and form and never a reference to a male.
It is helpful if you go word by word, anon and read Revelations in the Greek or Aramaic, the culture and things that are 'hidden' from you would have been common and commonly understood by ancient peoples, specifically the writers of the Revelation of Jesus Christ.
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2479b6 No.191855
>>191831
>Only jews believe the Holy Spirit is a woman
Pneuma Hagion is indeed androgynous in nature otherwise they would call Spirit Hagia Pneuma, if male Pneuma Hagios. Because Hagion is strong neuter point.
>Also, most schollars agree that Elohim, Lord, Yahweh, and so forth, are all interchangable.
Would be simple if they were. Elohim (אֱלֹהִים) was used before monotheism for sons of El, and its a plural form of the word eloah (אלוה).
Don't forget that Yah is egyptian moon god, and YHWH is also past/present/future. And Shaddai/Almighty from root Shad (שד) means "Breastly", as in with breasts ("shadayim"/שדים).
>>191691
I am more concerned that El and Ad is same root אֵל. For Adam is אָדָם.
And notice how Adam begins with same Aleph syllable as El or Adonai, and how Eve is akin to Yahweh in writing. "Alpha and Omega" are also אֱ and ת. Septuagint manuscript prior to Christ heavily influenced ΙΑΩ translation, but of Tetragrammaton. Revelations 1:8 also reconfirms El Shaddai through παντοκρατωρ title.
That said, first line of Genesis has it, as אֵ֥ת. Genesis 1:
>בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ׃
There are multiple etymologies of it, but bible has it as "with" or "at".
Now if we add to them also (וְ), which is letter Waw, its singular use can be just letter "and".
Alpha And Omega (το α και το ω, without τo) would result in אֵ֥וְת (first and last letters of hebrew alphabet with "and" in between). It means a sign, an omen, a signal, a cue, reads as awayat. I know in paleohebrew "I" could look like Y.
You're welcome to read her omens. I mean Mary isn't without a reason is dressed in saffron cloak, that is until moon will turn into blood.
And i know you're not supposed to read it like that because of backwards jewish language, but its a fancy coincidence.
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443ad9 No.191856
Also the pectoral of Inanna and the same 1/2 decorative pectoral that Queen Elizabeth wears in special ceremonies (since she is not 'world savior' she wears her Earthly rewards already that are given to her by birth rather than by effort or destiny).
>129-133 And when Inanna entered, (1 ms. adds 2 lines: the lapis-lazuli measuring rod and measuring line were removed from her hand, when she entered the first gate,) the turban, headgear for the open country, was removed from her head. "What is this?" "Be satisfied, Inanna, a divine power of the underworld has been fulfilled. Inanna, you must not open your mouth against the rites of the underworld."
>134-138 When she entered the second gate, the small lapis-lazuli beads were removed from her neck. "What is this?" "Be satisfied, Inanna, a divine power of the underworld has been fulfilled. Inanna, you must not open your mouth against the rites of the underworld."
>139-143 When she entered the third gate, the twin egg-shaped beads were removed from her breast. "What is this?" "Be satisfied, Inanna, a divine power of the underworld has been fulfilled. Inanna, you must not open your mouth against the rites of the underworld."
>144-148 When she entered the fourth gate, the "Come, man, come" pectoral was removed from her breast. "What is this?" "Be satisfied, Inanna, a divine power of the underworld has been fulfilled. Inanna, you must not open your mouth against the rites of the underworld."
>149-153 When she entered the fifth gate, the golden ring was removed from her hand. "What is this?" "Be satisfied, Inanna, a divine power of the underworld has been fulfilled. Inanna, you must not open your mouth against the rites of the underworld."
>154-158 When she entered the sixth gate, the lapis-lazuli measuring rod and measuring line were removed from her hand. "What is this?" "Be satisfied, Inanna, a divine power of the underworld has been fulfilled. Inanna, you must not open your mouth against the rites of the underworld."
>159-163 When she entered the seventh gate, the palla dress, the garment of ladyship, was removed from her body. "What is this?" "Be satisfied, Inanna, a divine power of the underworld has been fulfilled. Inanna, you must not open your mouth against the rites of the underworld."
>164-172 After she had crouched down and had her clothes removed, they were carried away. Then she made her sister Erec-ki-gala rise from her throne, and instead she sat on her throne. The Anuna, the seven judges, rendered their decision against her. They looked at her it was the look of death. They spoke to her it was the speech of anger. They shouted at her – it was the shout of heavy guilt. The afflicted woman was turned into a corpse. And the corpse was hung on a hook.
Pectoral defined
>late Middle English (in the sense ‘breastplate’): from Latin pectorale ‘breastplate’, pectoralis ‘of the breast’, from pectus, pector- ‘breast, chest’.
Athena and Zeus both wore the Aegis - but it is specifically associated with Athena (Goddess: 'thought' who was born from Zeus' head; yet another mythology that shows that the Goddess is the pre-eminent salvation of the world).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aegis
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2479b6 No.191857
>>191854
>Samson's riddle
Its most certainly connected to it.
Revelation 10:4
>And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.
Judges 14:15
>And it came to pass on the seventh day, that they said unto Samson’s wife, Entice thy husband, that he may declare unto us the riddle, lest we burn thee and thy father’s house with fire: have ye called us to take that we have? is it not so?
Revelation 5:4
>And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.
Judges 14:16
>And Samson’s wife wept before him, and said, Thou dost but hate me, and lovest me not: thou hast put forth a riddle unto the children of my people, and hast not told it me. And he said unto her, Behold, I have not told it my father nor my mother, and shall I tell it thee? And she wept before him the seven days, while their feast lasted: and it came to pass on the seventh day, that he told her, because she lay sore upon him: and she told the riddle to the children of her people
That said the number thirty in this whole chapter again represent recurrence of same lunar month symbolism.
When Samson teared apart the lion and found a honey inside with bees in the carcass, he was posessed by Spirit of the Lord (ר֣וּחַ יְהוָ֗ה), which is by extend also Spirit of Elijah (El Yah), Spirit of the Moon.
Heracles version of the tale also features lunar month:
>Heracles wandered the area until he came to the town of Cleonae. There he met a boy who said that if Heracles slew the Nemean lion and returned alive within 30 days, the town would sacrifice a lion to Zeus; but if he did not return within 30 days or he died, the boy would sacrifice himself to Zeus. Another version claims that he met Molorchos, a shepherd who had lost his son to the lion, saying that if he came back within 30 days, a ram would be sacrificed to Zeus. If he did not return within 30 days, it would be sacrificed to him as a dead hero.
>When he returned on the thirtieth day carrying the carcass of the lion on his shoulders, King Eurystheus was amazed and terrified. Eurystheus forbade him ever again to enter the city; in future he was to display the fruits of his labours outside the city gates.
So the answer would be fruits of labor.
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2479b6 No.191862
>>191854
>ΙΩΑΝΝΟΥ
>ΙΑΩ is YHWH from septuagint manuscript
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443ad9 No.191869
>>191857
>So the answer would be fruits of labor.
It might just be.
My favorite part of that story is his angry response to their extortion.
>18 So the men of the city said to him on the seventh day before the sun went in [down],
>“What is sweeter than honey?
>And what is stronger than a lion?”
>And he said to them,
>“If you had not plowed with my heifer, (I can't help but wonder if that is the hairy red heifer)
>You would not have found out my riddle.”
>19 Then the Spirit of the LORD came upon him mightily, and he went down to Ashkelon and killed thirty of them and took their spoil and gave the changes of clothes to those who told the riddle. And his anger burned, and he went up to his father’s house. 20 But Samson’s wife was given to his companion who had been his friend.
Commentary:
18. before the sun went down] lit. went in. But the word for sun (ḥeres) is rare and poetical, and it has the accus. ending which denotes motion towards. A slight correction proposed by Stade gives the right sense: before he went into the [bridal] chamber, the same word as in Jdg 15:1. They wait till the last moment before the wedding [consummation] was completed.
So basically they are calling him Shamash in the passage, which, of course, gives a whole new level of meaning to the narrative of Samson as Judge of Israel.
>>191862
Gen 3
>2 The woman answered the serpent, “We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden, 3 but about the fruit of the tree in the middle of the garden, God has said, ‘You must not eat of it or touch it, or you will die.’” 4 “You will not surely die,” the serpent told her
Gen 3:15
>And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her Seed; It shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise its heel (last/hindmost part).”
Gen 27:36
>36 So Esau declared, “Is he not rightly named Jacob (heel catcher)? For he has cheated me twice. He took my birthright [as stolen from Adam and Eve], and now he has taken my blessing [as stolen from Jesus and Mary].”
Rev 22:13
>"13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End."
Given all we have covered with the first murdered etc…it sort of has a different level of meaning now, doesn't it? Second born; first dead; first born; second dead.
Mark 12:7
>"But the (((tenants))) said to one another, 'This is the heir. Come, let's kill him, and the inheritance will be ours.'
Islamic photo: Behemoth and Leviathan (I don't know why the world is upside down in their map, but it is; go figure) are the foundation of the world as Tiamat and Abzu were as well.
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0fcf06 No.191917
>>191682
>See Enki in paradise in all of these, surrounded by the four rivers
Technically the land raised by Enji as the Fuekd constellation can only be surrounded by the entire Cosmological sea, and not a source of rivers, the Edin central plain of Sumer was sort of surrounded by rivers and could have provided the basis for a loose comparison.,
The tradition of a paradisical garden relating to Enki is better found in Dilmun though, which was an island surrounded by waters, and there seems to be reference in the Bible to this with regards to the Prince of Tyre, who it was considered were of the Amorite Dynasty that had ruled Dilmun for 500 years or so before being displaced by the Kassite conquest of Babylonia.
>The Greek historian Strabo believed that the Phoenicians originated from Bahrain.Herodotus also believed that the homeland of the Phoenicians was Bahrain.This theory was accepted by the 19th-century German classicist Arnold Heeren who said that: "In the Greek geographers, for instance, we read of two islands, named Tyrus or Tylos, and Arad, Bahrain, which boasted that they were the mother country of the Phoenicians, and exhibited relics of Phoenician temples. The people of Tyre in particular have long maintained Persian Gulf origins, and the similarity in the words "Tylos" and "Tyre" has been commented upon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tylos
The Amorite Dynasties of Dilmun, and later Tyre, identified with the cult of an idealized couple that were the primary Deities of the island, En-zak/Inzak and Meskilak, the Babylonians related En-zak to Nebu, patron of scribes.
In origin Dilmun culture was closely connected to the Indus valley and Susa as well as Mesopotamia, early iconography seems to indicate this couple in connection with the Fish sign and a sign for 12 clans, they were more a new section of humanity rather than the first humans.
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0fcf06 No.191920
>>191917
So the proclamations against the King of Tyre have really puzzled Theologians, however they make sense if they are tracing back to Dilmun tradition through the Amorite Dynasties.
>>“Son of man, take up a lamentation for the king of Tyre, and say to him, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: “You were the seal of perfection, Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. You were in Eden, the garden of God;
https://www.bible.com/bible/114/EZK.28.12-19.NKJV
>>“Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:”
In Free Masonry of course through Hiram of Tyre they are also suggesting connection to founding traditions tracing all the way back to Dilmun, but through the Semitic connection which didn't establish that tradition.
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9e8895 No.191924
Sodium 11 protons 11 electrons 12 neutrons
Matthew 5:13
>Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
John 13:26
>Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped it. And when he had dipped the sop, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon.
12 disciples become 11, Sodium. Sodium is known to float on water, and also salt is a big deal in hinduism in proverbs about brahman being drop of salt in water.
Sodium is also one of the 12 essential minerals.
That means i am right that John is associated with Beryllium and 4th apostle because wrote 4th gospel. So that person fits.
3 Lithium
4 Beryllium
11 Sodium
12 Magnesium
19 Potassium
20 Carbon
37 Rubidium
38 Strontium
55 Cesium
56 Barium
87 Francium
88 Radium
Betrayal of Judas Iscariot is signified by a kiss, so jointment of one of those elements with Oxygen (888, IESUS).
>Silicate minerals contain silicon (Si) and oxygen (O), the two most abundant elements in the earth’s crust.
So 14 generations as Silicon and Oxygen as breath.
>Common silicate minerals include: olivine, pyroxene, amphibole, biotite mica, muscovite mica, plagioclase feldspar, orthoclase feldspar, and quartz.
Si6O18 looks like star of David btw. Beryl of 6 units.
>The name "beryl" is derived (via Latin: beryllus, Old French: beryl, and Middle English: beril) from Greek βήρυλλος beryllos which referred to a "precious blue-green color-of-sea-water stone";[1] from Prakrit verulia, veluriya ("beryl"), from Sanskrit वैडूर्य vaiḍūrya "brought from Vidûra" (originally lapis lazuli) which is ultimately of Dravidian origin, maybe from the name of Belur or "Velur" a town in Karnataka, southern India. The term was later adopted for the mineral beryl more exclusively.
So wait a fucking second. Root of "David" may actually be root of "Dravid". And whole beryl thing is some mistranslation of lapis lazuli.
>Unlike most other gem materials, lapis lazuli is not a mineral. Instead, it is a rock composed of multiple minerals. The blue color of lapis lazuli is mainly derived from the presence of lazurite, a blue silicate mineral of the sodalite group with a chemical composition of (Na,Ca)8(AlSiO4)6(S,Cl,SO4,OH)2
Lapis Lazuli is composed in total of 11 elements. But i am not a chemical nut, its certainly code for it.
I provide a picture of chemical structure of Lapis Lazuli, notice it looks like garden of Eden. One element in the center, 24 red dots inside "walls", 12 gates from each side of "Jerusalem", central gates are guarded by assembly of 8 that faces in every side.
Its also used in paintings to draw clothings of Virgin Mary, when ground into a powder and made into ultramarine.
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9e8895 No.191925
*20 Calcium
Thread is ending and i do stupid mistakes.
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e5f7cb No.191935
>>191474
>It has crossed my mind that 'the lamb slain from the foundation of the world' was 'female', rather than male
Oh shit, you right, it must be. Because it is a rule to specifically sacrifice a female lamb, whole without blemish:
Leviticus 4:32
>And if he bring a lamb for a sin offering, he shall bring it a female without blemish.
Leviticus 5:6
>And he shall bring his trespass offering unto the Lord for his sin which he hath sinned, a female from the flock, a lamb or a kid of the goats, for a sin offering; and the priest shall make an atonement for him concerning his sin.
>8549 tamiym taw-meem' from 8552; entire (literally, figuratively or morally); also (as noun) integrity, truth:–without blemish, complete, full, perfect, sincerely (-ity), sound, without spot, undefiled, upright(-ly), whole. see HEBREW for 08552
Jesus had to be a virgin female, otherwise this lamb sacrifice doesn't work. Wasn't Jesus fulfilling all the rules of hebrew sacrifice with his crucifixion?
>A female sheep is called a ewe. Yoe is a slang term for ewe. A young female is called a ewe lamb.
Luke 24:5
>And as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead?
I also seem to realize that Abel is codename for Babel:
Genesis 11:4
>And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.
Notice they use word "scatter", remember "smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered". Magdalene also sometimes translated as tower of fishes. And Abel was a shepherd.
Genesis 11:9
>Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the Lord did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the Lord scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth
What 7 eyes 7 horns 7 spirits is called, the Lamb in revelations? Word of God.
What was scattered when Lamb was sacrificed? Languages.
Its going back to division of language and Babel. The Sword exists to divide nations (Luke 12:52) to not allow globalism.
And since bodily Jesus continues trend of Abel, it incites Babel division: 1st Corinthians, Chapter 11:18-19
>For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
Then Cain and Church both go into wilderness/nod.
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443ad9 No.191958
Does anyone have any information on 'The Empath' (I probably asked this before, sorry) or the Southern Cross (and Musca)? <- not urgent since it is just personal fun and educational for me.
>>191935
Well there is Ab (father) and Ba (mother) Beit as in Beit Lechem (House of Bread) which also means 'house' or in our case Planet E-arth (I guess like Ag[arth]a (which would have been an interior or underground abode of the serpent race (Southern Race?) totally spit balling here) or something…I am going to have to deconstruct the meaning of Agartha or the etymology when I get back home. Beit Lechem may also have a reference to the 'manna' that is referenced in Exodus as well as the 'different' bread that Christ offended everyone with when he told them that they needed to eat his 'flesh'/'plant' if you go by the Babylonian Inanna's Descent mythos. Christ offers blood and water…bitter and sweet waters…also something to think about is the difference between someone born of the waters (eternal) and someone born of the Earth. We need to think through those who are 'born' and those who never died as well…and correlate those. That too is highly symbolic and significant and probably has a lot to do with >>191920 young Randy's/Wilson/'15's assertion that their DNA is immortal (or that DNA can easily become immortal under the right conditions). I also have some exploring to do with Ereskigal as well…there is some really deeply hidden stuff in ID that I want to bounce off you guys.
>The Sword exists to divide nations (Luke 12:52) to not allow globalism.
This goes back to 'solve et coagula' or the Order of the Sword or the Tower as well…this seesawing action/fight between the Sword and Tower that has ripped apart the world so many times.
"Solve et coagula" — Separate and Join Together (or "dissolve and coagulate" in Latin) is a medieval alchemy quote, which is to say that nothing new can be built if not before we make space, breaking the old."
>Magdalene also sometimes translated as tower of fishes. And Abel was a shepherd.
Hmmm, I ran across these alchemy paintings yesterday that show Jesus and Mary crucified together, she the Southern Cross (below him) and he the Northern Cross (above)…which is what is shown in all Orthodox iconography in the 'triple cross'. See the third crossing on the image? Well that is the stars of the Southern Cross, so it is a star diagram as well. There is a lot that I need to work on here…
Jesus didn't write Corinthians…that was that lying jew, Paul. Jesus upheld nationalism including calling the people of other races, 'dogs' as well as being very preferential to his own. It is only when the 'universal church' took over the religion that you see Empire come to dominate including the desire above all others for global empire.
>>191917
Dang it, I am running out the door but this is super important as well…I really want to comb through all of this very thoroughly…this distinction is probably vital as well since it means the difference between finite and infinite…which is such a fundamental paradigm shift for humanity…and something that MUST be wrestled with.
>>191924
Great find anon. This just keeps getting better…I am being pulled in too many different directions right now (Cicada is running and I am sort of lamely [lmao] participating as much as I am able, because they have some really deep things they are exploring if you can just get rid of the whole 'tech puzzle' stuff and dive into the meat of what they are looking at; it is deep). Just loving this chemical speculation/inquiry and the interesting conclusions. I so want to participate with this…hopefully soon I can find a bit of time to help out and really begin digging and making connections into this with you. I think we would be well served to understand all the garments and accoutrements that Inanna has girded herself with in ID.
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443ad9 No.191960
>>191958
OMG I had a shitfit. The entire site went down and all our work was destroyed for a couple minutes…everything deleted. Please, guys, don't tell me your names but we have to have another meetup place if this one goes down…please…telegram or something. Anything…we just need another place we can migrate too if this one craps out. I have telegram and will set up a 'room' or whatever unless you all already know of a good one.
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3243d1 No.191964
>>191935
Maybe they were twin lambs (Gemini/Castor and Pollux) that Abel sacrificed; I wonder if people were always born in the same womb with their spouse back then? That would explain the Red Thread and the Golden Thread that winds its way through the whole Bible.
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0fcf06 No.191965
>>191958
>…from the mouth that pours out the earth's water he brought her sweet water from the earth. He pumps the water into her large cisterns. From them her city drinks the wealth of water; Dilmun drinks from them the waters overflowing. Her well of bitter water is now a well of sweet water.
>For Dilmun, the land of my lady's heart, I will create long waterways, rivers and canals, whereby water will flow to quench the thirst of all beings and bring abundance to all that lives.
https://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/cgi-bin/etcsl.cgi?text=t.1.1.1&charenc=j#
En-zak as the eighth born in the Dilmun mythos is associated with the Trre of Life and rib, having been born from the side of Enki.
>Uttu in Sumerian mythology is the goddess of weaving and clothing. She is both the child of Enki and Ninkur, and she bears seven new child/trees from Enki, the eighth being the Ti (Tree of "Life", associated with the "Rib").
>"For the little ones to whom I have given birth may rewards not be lacking. Ab-u shall become king of the grasses, Ninsikila shall become lord of Magan, Ningiriutud shall marry Ninazu, Ninkasi shall be what satisfies the heart, Nazi shall marry Nindara, Azimua shall marry Ninĝišzida, Ninti shall become the lady of the month, and Ensag shall become lord of Dilmun."
http://curis.ku.dk/ws/files/138743278/H_jlund_et_al_2005_New_Excavations_at_the_Barbar_Temple_Bahrain.pdf
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3d38c7 No.191966
>>191960
Just archive. I myself simply take screenshots.
https://archive.is/IEEdS
>>191958
As far as Cain and Abel story goes, they still refer to constellations of Orion and Bootes, nothing really special about this myth. Bootes is agricultural and Orion with his cow and aries nearby husbandry.
>If the skies turn, bootes comes first and then gets “killed” by Orion. One brother that has animals (cain) kills the one who offers fallen crops (abel).
>Cain the farmer, is Bootes
>Abel, the Pastoralist,or shepherd, is orion
>The stars/skies rotate. Constellations rise in the east and set in the west.
>First Abel (Orion) sacrifices his best ram. That is Aries. Aries is the first constellation to go down the horizon. After that it is Orions turn to fall below the horizon. Bootes rises after Orion and effectively “kills” Orion from the skies.
It also concludes that Mahabaratta war was related to split between two races and two brothers, Rama and Lakshmana.
>sons of Noah which is based on the indian story of Manu. There where 3 sons, Shem, Ham and Japheth . The arabic race/shemites, the white race and the black race.
Feel free to read it, it has bias towards indian veggetarians though:
https://www.stijnvandenhoven.com/2018/05/03/astronomical-myth-god-parallels-between-india-sumeria-and-greece/
But it brings interesting point that racial conflict was between "white race" and "black race" as equally as between pastorals and agriculturalists. So the whole child of true humanity (ben adam) non-sense was actually to rise ubermensch since the beginning of christianity.
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3243d1 No.191967
>>191966
Ok…sorry, I thought relationships meant something; my bad (I am certainly guilty of viewing people this way myself in the past). I forget what being ‘anon’ does to people after a little while. Never mind then.
>>191917
That can’t be the same Dilmun anon. But there must have been some characteristic about the Earthly Dilmun that reminded them of the celestial Dilmun.
https://brewminate.com/dilmun-ancient-polity-of-modern-bahrain-kuwait-qatar-and-saudi-arabia/
> identified with the cult of an idealized couple that were the primary Deities of the island, En-zak/Inzak and Meskilak, the Babylonians related En-zak to Nebu, patron of scribes.
Interesting so maybe Metatron/Enoch? IDK I am going to have to think about this. I know that the scribe of God is the one who marks ‘those who live’ with the name of God on their forehead before the total destruction…but I thought Enoch was resurrected to be with God. It would be really strange if that was only a prophecy. I hadn’t considered that before. It is becoming more and more obvious to me that this whole idea of twinning is extremely important in this whole story. If you look at the center of the Royal Arch you can clearly see the division between the male and female which makes one of the Four Living Creatures that accompany the throne of God. At the same time it is obvious that there are two pillars, so Male and Female. So, only together as ‘one flesh’ do they make a whole.
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0b0272 No.192004
You know, i was really ignorant of the word "Holy" and "Holy One" in jewish language. Its Qetesh of Hyksos from Egypt (also Qadesh, Qedesh, Qetesh, Kadesh, Kedesh, Kadeš or Qades /ˈkɑːdɛʃ/). Semitic root Q-D-Š (ק-ד-ש).
Qetesh was Triple Goddess of Hyksos (Qudshu-Astarte-Anat), this name remained. But the old testament is full of this usage of "Holy".
Line in Psalms 51:11 Clearly uses qodesh (קָ֝דְשְׁךָ֗):
>Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me
And Isaiah 43:3 qadowsh (קְדֹ֥ושׁ):
>For I am the Lord thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee.
When Jesus was exorcising a daemonia he clearly got stated by a daemon that he's the "Holy One": 4:34-35
>Saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art; the Holy One of God. And Jesus rebuked him, saying, Hold thy peace, and come out of him. And when the devil had thrown him in the midst, he came out of him, and hurt him not
Now the message of the demon in this context makes no sense, if one takes it as mere Hagios, but in jewish/aramaic language if that leads us to Qetesh somehow, then it gets more complex. And i am sure Three Mary's under the cross also lead to Qetesh and my presupposition that Holy Breath implied that Mary was one with the Spirit. So when Gabriel says: 1:35
>And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
And Luke 1:46-47
>And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.
That means Mary became one with the Qetesh, the female Holy One, for its Her Spirit now. And her pneuma only increases Yahweh. So Ruwach Kadesh is Breath of Qetesh, Breath of the Holy One.
Job 27:2-3
>As God liveth, who hath taken away my judgment; and the Almighty, who hath vexed my soul; All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils
Notice Qetesh and Qayin share semitic syllable Q, which is ק, Qoph.
>It is usually suggested to have originally depicted either a sewing needle, specifically the eye of a needle (Hebrew קוף and Aramaic קופא both refer to the eye of a needle), or the back of a head and neck (qāf in Arabic meant "nape")
Its probably indeed eye of a needle, for as Mark 10:25:
>It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
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443ad9 No.192016
Isaiah 63
>1 Who is this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah? this that is glorious in apparel, travelling in the greatness of strength? I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save.
>2 Wherefore art thou red in thine apparel, and thy garments like him that treadeth in the winepress?
>3 I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment.
>4 For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come.
>5 And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me.
I will never look at THIS the same way again. It all seems so obvious now (course, every time I think that some totally shocking and totally wild revelation is born again in the world). This has certainly been a wild ride…the things I have learned…smh absolutely amazing!
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443ad9 No.192065
Given all my recent research into the mind and human perception via Blake's The Marriage of Heaven and Hell as well as Jung's The Red Book, if found this translation of ICXC NIKA profound.
>"Place of the frontal paradise was"
I wonder if this pertains to the whole idea that The Kingdom of Heaven is within? Perhaps it is really poorly translated into English, because the Google translation seems more accurate than the 'religious' translation. Skull = Frontal paradise?
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b2af06 No.192106
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0fcf06 No.192107
>>191967
I think that's the point, that they represent a hybrid couple derived from Earth and the Fish cult from the Abzu, and dating back around 6,000 years in origin correlate to the supposed date for Adam and Eve, but these relating more to the origins of civilization rather than humanity in general.
At the Dilmun temple offerings were deposited of a bowl containing seven smaller drinking bowls, this would relate to how the seven sages were often left in building foundations
>At the foundation of Temple I offerings were deposited in the clay core of the temple terrace and they consisted of dozens of clay goblets found in separate groups each containing seven beakers which were broken and buried within the foundations of the terrace. Also copper objects were deposited in small heaps or singly. In the south-western corner of this early temple, steps led down to a square-built well.
En-zag has the same origin myth as the Goddess Nazi, were the Fish cult was most strongly represented, as the progenitor of the line of scribes and scholars would be the basis of his Babylonian identification as Nebu.
There was a strong tradition of Nebu and Nanaya/Tashmetu, as Inanna incarnate within an idealized paradisical garden.and this relating to the sacred marriage and refined courtly love.
I include an Aramaic text from Egypt study on this tradition, Nanay and her sacred lover which gives good indication of what might be expected of such a couple around the Christian era.
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