d553f8 No.153299
AI defeats veteran F-16 pilot 5:0 in DARPA’s dogfight contest
>A human pilot with more than 2,000 hours in the F-16 fighter lost five straight dogfights against an artificial intelligence algorithm, in a competition organized by the US Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency.
>DARPA’s Air Combat Evolution (ACE) program pitted AIs developed by eight companies – including the military industry giant Lockheed Martin – against each other, before the winner went up against a human pilot in Thursday’s AlphaDogfight trials competition.
>Identified only by his callsign 'Banger,' the DC Air National Guard pilot had recently graduated the F-16 Weapons Instructor course and had logged thousands of hours flying the Fighting Falcon jet. He lost, every single time.
It's over. We lost. There's no going back now. Why didn't you listen?
https://www.rt.com/usa/498709-darpa-f16-ai-pilot-dogfight/
http://archive.is/wip/RvNxU
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436241 No.153323
"simulated dogfights". The aerodynamics are still a bit of a challenge. I'm sure they'll be overcome but still let's wait until they're flying in real aircraft and not sims in a computer.
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ab2096 No.153327
>>153323
That's not going to get better for humans. Once they can design the craft without the need for passengers, the A.I. craft will be able to perform superhuman feats.
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436241 No.153334
>>153327
That's for sure. It's not nice to have your anus prolapse in a high speed, heavy G tight turn while all the blood rushes out of your head and you pass out and crash into a near by mountain rock face. Dogfights with carbon fiber aircraft that can handle 9 or 10 g's will be pretty radical.
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436241 No.153335
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f0d6e0 No.153347
>Hijacks your AI controlled plane and makes it perform the Cossack dance in the sky before launching it's entire payload at your base
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29877c No.153555
>>153334
I can't remember how long ago I heard this (I think in the 90's) but even gen 4 fighters airframe can handle significantly higher G than they are "designed" to operate at. We are talking turning the pilot into a puddle of soup levels of G. Take out the fleshy part of the equation things get interesting.
>>153347
I for one welcome our squatting vodka swilling technological overlords.
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5464c6 No.153558
>>153555
>We are talking turning the pilot into a puddle of soup levels of G
I have to admit that this 'feature must have been highly reassuring to the pilots of those craft. Can you imagine voluntarily getting into a machine that at the touch of a button and for your 'patriotic duty' you could be turned into soup on the whim of someone back on base?
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5464c6 No.153559
And you KNOW that you are not pulling the ejection seat at the approach to those G's…so that must have been interesting to be the poor saps who had to clean the soup up after a particularly 'clever' maneuver. Probably wasn't much worse than being the poor saps who had to clean up the German soup made in the bunkers in Dresden though.
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436241 No.153592
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>>153559
Or cleaning out the puddle of congealed fat in the bottom of a Sherman tank by the poor saps that had to repair them. Fucking death traps.
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c4b69c No.153628
>>153555
>even gen 4 fighters
>even
>implying 4th gen fighters aren't by default more nimble than 5th gen ones given that they emphasized on maneuverability instead of stealth
You are obviously ignorant on the subject, please refrain from expressing an opinion.
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c7637f No.153709
>>153628
You might think you're clever, but I can assure you that your post is a waste of time to anyone reading it.
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60ee0a No.153788
>>153299
First, this may be entirely propaganda. Which it likely is. Second, simulators really don't mean jack shit.
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5464c6 No.153796
>>153788
Imagine my surprise a computer doing well inside a computer system. Ohhh ahhhh. This is not reproducible in the outside world.
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b93c4b No.153832
>>153796
The simulator doesn't share information with the AI controller, so the computer cannot cheat like a video game AI. There is no plausible reason why this would not hold up in a real life scenario, but I'm sure you can see how costly it would be to run hundreds of dogfights between AIs controlling real planes.
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b93c4b No.153833
>>153788
>Second, simulators really don't mean jack shit.
They're significant enough to train real life pilots to the point that they can actually fly real planes. They are a big deal.
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436241 No.153835
>>153832
I think the problem for having an AI jet fighter pilot is the aerodynamics of the aircraft. That's a significantly difficult thing to simulate. Real lift in a real aircraft and simulated lift in a sim aircraft are substantially different models.
https://sciencenode.org/feature/simulating-extreme-aerodynamics.php
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c49984 No.153936
2000 hours of flying, i bet most if his time flying was just doing simple sorties, lots of pilots spend tons of time just taking off, flying around, and landing… and that’s it.
>Identified only by his callsign 'Banger,' the DC Air National Guard pilot had recently graduated the F-16 Weapons Instructor course and had logged thousands of hours flying the Fighting Falcon jet. He lost, every single time.
This dude literally just graduated a weapons instructor course.. which means he received training on how to show others how to use WEAPONS…not dogfight. Dogfighting is done at a TOP GUN school. And he’s a Nat’l Guardsmen which means he’s most likely not flying nearly as much as a Standard Navy or Airforce Airman.
This is just shifty Technopropaganda. I’m sure the system is good, but doubt is seriously ground breaking. We still don’t even have self driving cars and they are saying an AI can perceive an incoming threat all on its own? I cant even thing of an aircraft with a 360 degree radar used for dog fighting that would be able to perceive threats like that.
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1d361d No.153939
>>153936
These systems are going to have the same problem AI vehicular driving system do. I want to see it work in snow or other inclimate conditions.
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1d361d No.153944
I mean, I love my car because it has all the bells and whistle ‘safety features’ but sometimes it flips the fuck out because of a weed or raindrop. Scares the living shit out me.
{Alarms blasting} WEED, WEED, YOU ARE GOING TO HIT THE FUCKING WEED
One time, it threw a pizza on the floor of the back seat of the vehicle because I was heading down a steep driveway (bastardo; not the pizza). Just saying, Moby is not always ‘reliable’ when it comes to real life conditions. I can’t wait to see how the AI’s will deal with things.
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9be199 No.153952
>>153299
era of terminator movies have already begun! rejoice brothers for we soon will be fighting machines in post apocalyptic nightmare of a world
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c103ef No.155811
>>153347
I would imagine that everything would be done onboard, no? Otherwise, it's just a glorified drone.
>>153936
there aren't hundreds of planes flying on a confined, few meter-wide space at the same time. All you would really need is to detect the speed and [relative] orientation of the opposing jet with radar, as well as the launch of any air-to-air weaponry, which is something human pilots already have systems to do.
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77e7c5 No.156036
>>153952
Next war is the drone war.
There really isn't any need for anything but aerial and terrestrial drones with minimal human backup.
Drones will be able to soften up a target real nice. Soldiers will be able to stroll into the enemy encampment and accept the surrender of the few remaining combatants.
Next war is gonna be really messy.
Assuming the AntiChrist lets it get to that point. Maybe it will just be total domination of the world population by total surveillance. People ruled only by the illusion of war.
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