/pnd/ - Politics, News, Debate

>>129865

Calling any and all actual action "glowniggers" is just another tactic to stop you from doing anything and accepting the collapse of your country. It'll make you feel better about doing nothing because you can just think "y-yeah it was probably the glows anyway".

Non-violent assembly is exactly what we need. You should always make sure you're equipped to defend yourself though, since the drone mob isn't known to be beyond exercising their political immunity with violence.

>>129875

Thanks. I have to agree. I am tired of doing nothing and circle-jerking in an echo-chamber. I talked about this group for a bit on halfchan and everyone was trying to shut me down, calling me a fed. It's all so tiresome.

I think I'm going to give them a shot and see how it goes.

Pro tip: Don't join groups

>>129884

Join groups that fight for a specific cause, like GOA/NRA or some anti-immigration group.

>>129878

I can't open their website but just watched the video. If you join IRL then pay attention about whether they're trying to instigate violence or deliberately push against BLM/antifa type groups. Violence works against you in all but 2 cases; either your movement is so big that you could in theory overthrow the government, or you have the support of a large portion of the population in the country.

Non-violent demonstrations/speeches/marches raise awareness, raises the morale of people interested in the cause and makes them more likely to support such causes (including people who just read about it at home), and makes you more prepared to act in general when the time comes for more demonstrations or other hypothetical scenarios. Any violence however will be used to paint you as an violent extremist terror group and be counterproductive to the cause.

>>129898

Exactly. What needs to be done is stiffen the backbone of White Americans by raising their morale.

>>129865

> While it is almost certain that there are feds in that group

Don't fucking join it under any circumstances you fucking moron

> I desperately want to join a pro-white, pro-american movement

You want to fit in somewhere more than you want to do something that works. LARP groups that go around in uniforms and marching don't do any good in CY+5. This isn't 1926 in Wiemar Germany, with a weak government that is friendly towards the right wing

Our government repeatedly uses such groups as honeypots. TWP and TRS comes to mind as honeypot orgs

>>129886

This

Join groups like MAGA and NRA, and seed actual right wing ideas among them. Joining LARP organizations acts as an idea sponge, sucking in people who are right wing and preventing them from connecting with people in real organizations. Almost no normal human beings look up to the fat retards in ski masks doing Nazi salutes in public in a positive way

>>129945

>at least I'll have the constitution!

>>129964

Be afraid… Be VERY afraid!

>>129974

Then what do you suggest we do? Continue to "redpill" our own on the backwaters of the internet?

>>129978

Tell me what MAGA and the NRA has accomplished for actual heritage Americans and gun rights, respectively.

Also, I never saw any Bellamy salutes or edgy skull masks. The edgiest symbolism I can find is the fasces which, being used during fascist Italy's rule, has been used in the Roman Republic. The Founding Fathers made it an American symbol, and it sits in full view in our House of Representatives.

>>129865

Reminder that all organizations like this are government honeypots, and anyone attempting to get you to join is a fed.

Do they have legal cover like antifa has the National Lawyers Guild? If not it's going to be Charlottesville all over again. We need to learn from past mistakes.

>>129865

Pussy Faggots is crumbling from the inside due to stale and lacking leadership and small trivial and insipid activities which lead to alienation of new members due to a lack of actual counter revolutionary activity. The only positive they have going for them is a good sense of media/propaganda production and high quality media output with lots of flashy bells and whistles. If you join, you'll soon find that your only activities will be putting stickers up around your local college or community center and that's about it. That's their only M.O.

>>129865

> have in-the-street action in the flesh.

Here's where I call your bullshit OP.

You don't need to join a "movement" to take direct action.

The whole point of these movements is optics, and the optics are bad. All we have to do is keep pointing out that whites build civilization and blacks tear it down. Give them the rope to lynch themselves. I don't care if that means abandoning libtard inner cities to them. Contain them there and point at how shit they are.

>>130030

>reputation and history

Whites have less power and control than we ever have in human history. Their reputation for doing nothing and history of doing nothing certainly speak for themselves.

>>130068

>>130074

I see. I wouldn't mind putting up stickers and such, though. The main appeal of joining a group for irl action is that on the street it will be harder for crazies to attack you if you have decent numbers.

>>130074

I was sympathetic to the "let them destroy their own cities" idea for a while, but lately I just think it emboldens them further. More passive supporters of BLM/Antifa will be made, because most people are lemmings who will go with whatever side is appearing to be winning— the strong horse.

>>130081

>but lately I just think it emboldens them further.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/22/seattle-dismantle-chaz-protest-zone

Seattle mayor decides to cancel CHAZ. They hung themselves there.

>>129886

I think both goa and nra sucked the BLM dick recently

I mean I'm cool with anything that doesnt involve hiding in our man caves waiting for someone to save us.

>>129865

> Of course the accusations of glowniggetry are being levied against them.

They've been around for a while. They surely would have attracted the attention of glowniggers by now.

> my assumption is that it is comprised of mostly decent white people who see the problems of our time and wish to correct them.

The majority of people present in the Charlottesvile protest were also that. It's feds and media kike orchestrated psy ops that ruin everything.

Also I would be more wary of commie / antifa infiltrators who will try to doxx and attack people in the group. This usually happens well before the feds start acting if it wasn't created specifically as a fed group (for ex: boogaloo boys).

>>129978

Nobody "normal" looks up to nigger thugs looting, burning everything down, causing a pandemic to be more deadly and destroying a country's history in a favorable way. Yet they have all the corporate support, media support, justice system support and large political support.

>>129974

Was TRS even a honeypot? It excluded most people from joining since it was invite only. Not something a honeypot would do.

>>136206

>Was TRS even a honeypot? It excluded most people from joining since it was invite only. Not something a honeypot would do.

Their head of security was outed as being an admitted federal informant newfag.

>"Oh hey the feds made it so it's invite only for their honeypot, so it's clearly not a honeypot"

neck yourself, you hooknosed kike

>>129898

>If you join IRL then pay attention about whether they're trying to instigate violence

This. Also watch for informants and provocateurs looking to bait you into conspiracies to commit crimes. Remember it only takes two to form a conspiracy under the RICO Act, one of whom can be working for the government, and that a crime doesn't have to actually be committed for you to be locked up in solitary for a very long time.

Yeah I know some pf members and they are all good people. It's really the only viable brotherhood to be a part of at this point.

Be aware that they do occasionally find a mole in their group (it's just the reality of IRL orgs) so there is a non-zero chance you could get doxxed.

>>129875

100% true. Allow me to refine it though, you need to rally peacefully, and you need an organized batallion to protect your rallies. Armed to what the local laws allow. If everyone shows up with knives, guns and whatnots then the Lügenpresse will have a field day discrediting your ideas. Learn from the proto NSDAP and SA days.

>>129974

And without any reason at all, Americans started tearing down their history and submitted to their bolshevik masters.

>>136231

This. Don't you all think the Weimar government didn't try everything to infiltrate, discredit and imprison the nascent NSDAP leaders? Did it stop people from listening to them and from joining their rallies in beer halls? No. Separate the ideas from the violence. Organize around ideas, but your leadership needs to separately organize a defense force to allow these ideas to be dissiminated. You join one or the other, not both, as it will be used against the whole group. And for God's sake, let the defense force off the leash at the first attempt to shut down a gathering. Let blood flow. But the ideas are what matter.

Proof OP is a glownigger: she didnt use https://invidio.us/watch?v=DT__LqQkgxM because it wants to know who clicks it signed-in to their Google account on their real IP, instead of in a Private Tab on a 24/7 VPN IP.

>>137861

europe lost everything by letting women vote

>>129884

How is anything going to get done without organization?

To organize is to defend.

Patriot Front is a great start for us. The mere presence of men marching with American flags for a positive cause makes the degens absolutely seethe in their sick rage. I would love to see this grow and gain more momentum among normies. But obviously (((they))) are probably devising ways to poison it as early as they can. Grouping together and marching is a good way to begin but, if it is to be truly effective for our ends, more action must come.

>>137900

Yup. Rome wasn't built in a day.

>>137900

The leadership literally snitched members out to the feds, and not for anything that would actually warrant it, such as Drugs or Sex trafficking, or what not they are compromised they are no good start, they are a failure waiting to happen, a truly Natsoc organization would deal with most shit internally anyway like Pierce did.

Tell me one single advantage of having a name/logo/HQ/meetups/manifestos, in a (apparent) time of peace/cold war - an advantage that's worth being doxed, having your livelihood ruined, and having the powers that be already know everything about you and your tactical plans when the day comes that your group has the opportunity to do 'something more' than retard rallies and posters.

Believe me I know, I dismissed all the 'glowie honeypot' talk as shills too - until it happened to me in my own relatively inconsequential city. Look up Andrew Wilson and Radomir Kobyrn-Colletti, and their 'Klub Nation' 'rape house'. I could go on and on about these sociopathic jewish assets, but most interesting thing to note is that, if it wasn't for their own lack of optics and covering up their past, I would've never have known that they had raped anyone, been in a group with people who murdered their own parents or shot at mosques, had sent letters to Russian authorities offering to spy on nationalist groups, and most importantly LIVED RIGHT NEXT DOOR to Stanley Elliot Keyser - the jew that got Brendon O'Connell put in maximum security prison (ostensibly) for hate speech. If you don't know who he is, look him up - he literally had the entire local political class and the state of Israel itself involved in his tiny 'inconsequential' court case.

Now keep in mind, I only became privy to this because they were sloppy with keeping their history hidden, and had already burned multiple other nationalist groups across the country for decades. I can only imagine the shit I might've been dragged into if I hadn't known all this. If I lived in a more important country, like say the US, with more organized and careful government/police assets.

I swear, a e s t h e t i c s, and 'identity/ideology'-autism - as best expressed in Twitter bios - were the worst things to happen to modern politics/activism. I know we live in an age where everyone wants to be seen wearing uniforms and symbols and waving flags, where you feel like you're not being a proper political operative if you don't post all day about exactly what specific political beliefs you hold, but this is exactly how they *want* you to think and behave. And I know even suggesting this book will have me labelled a glowie myself, but if there's one thing SIEGE is correct about it's 'moventarianism'.

You wanna risk doxing for something actually effective, join a civic nationalist party. Better yet, if you're a good actor and don't have a bad history already, join a commie party/group - argue for virtually all the exact same things (except outright white nationalism of course), using their own Marxist language of the 'working class' and 'communities' and all the rest. Not only will the more radical radlibs double down on their insanity and put off the more 'centrist'/classically socialist/whiteys in the group, but you get to call out anyone that talks about intersectional SJW shit or calls you a 'tankie' as 'petite bourgeoisie liberals' who are trying to blunt the movement, and make yourself appear as the trve radical commie.

But your BADEDNREDPILD internet frenz told you civic nationalist and socialist parties are gey and pointless right? Then tell me how the fuck retard rallies and posters are any less gay and ineffectual.

You want a 'group'? Go out and make friends. Make as many friends as you can in your community/town/city. Yeah, it takes a little longer, it requires a bit more EFFORT than jumping on any bandwagon that rolls in, but it'll give you time to assess and vet the mindsets of the people around you. Disassociate from the ones that are set in their bluepill mindsets, strengthen your relationships with the ones that are redpilled or capable of being pilled, and there you go, you have a group now. Except it's even better than a movementarian group because you already know all of their motives and mindsets, and you're not on any radar, because you don't have a name/symbol/HQ etc. to infiltrate, or as a red target on your backs. Someone for some reason *does* try to infiltrate your friend group? They will instantly reveal themselves with how incongruent they are with the established 'culture' of your group of friends.

And then when a boogaloo/happening/day of the rope etc. comes - y'know, virtually the only situation where having a group is actually *necessary* - you can link up with your mates, just as EVERY group of friends would naturally do in that situation, and thus get lost in the crowd of other 'anonymous' friend groups.

As >>129974 said, this isn't the 20th century anymore, government tactics/technology/resources etc. have changed, and so should your own tactics.

TRS was an operation ran by Glows, mainly Russians, to cause mass shootings.

Aethestics contribute absolutely nothing to fighting ability.

IMO Even this site is a glow ran site. I see glows all around me all the time. It's to the point where if I see another White person around me, I just assume they are a Glowwurm.

I know the non Whites are glowies.

>>137932

I think it's just because, like many anons fear, the threat of being charged with conspiracy is too much to bare. By running to the feds it protects not only yourself but the organization. I have no experience being in any group, but that's what I assume.

>>137936

I think the main attraction of joining a group is, on the individual scale, a sense of community, belonging, and shared purpose.

As for the big picture, being able to show strength in numbers, that not only are there enough physical people (internet people are theoretical, imaginary beings) that agree on the same thing-so much so that they *will* risk their lives and livelihoods-shows the importance to which these individuals believe in their convictions.

I agree with you on the aesthetic issue. Barring tactics utilized by the great George Lincoln Rockwell which worked for his time, symbols are of utmost importance for a group. Symbols hold a lot of power, and if used correctly can be a great source of energy to get a movement off the ground. Which leads into movementarianism. The whole issue with movementarianism is the blind following of a "leader" who is self-appointed and just runs a big mouth while the "followers" mainly sit on their hands with hardly a shred of real dedication and resourcefulness. This is clearly a bad thing that will eventually lead to the disintegration of a group. I simply hold the opinion that organization of white men in the streets is required to push back on the Jewish decay. This decay is facilitated when good white men are not allowed to raise their voice or even lift a finger lest they lose their jobs, reputation, etc. Opposition to the Jew-world-order needs to be normalized. Like it or not we need passive support from the lemmings that Dr. WLP describes. I fear that many ambitious young men who could do a lot of good are seeing, understandably, that so much as speaking out against these issues may keep them from having a family among other prospects.

I like your infiltration idea. It would take a very special kind of person to pull off something like that, however, and personally something so sneaky and conniving just doesn't appeal to someone like myself.

On forming a network of like-minded friends… yeah that's ideal. Problem is it's not that easy for all of us. Hate to sound loser-ish but I really don't have friends, myself. I have one who's an elliot rogers and then there's my whore girlfriend, both of them wouldn't last 2 seconds if shit actually hit the fan.

So I see your point, times have changed and so should the tactics of white advocates, but all of this flying under the radar and just making friends and waiting for the day of the rope in all honesty doesn't seem productive in the slightest. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, not at all I think all of us should pursue strong friend groups where we're all on the same page. I just don't think that's going to affect the Jewish system one bit.

>>137945

>TRS was an operation ran by Glows, mainly Russians, to cause mass shootings.

Go away trumpnigger.

>>137951

It doesn't matter what the leaders of an organization fear, if they sell out those who chose to follow them, they are not worthy of being followed, it would have been a better and more Aauthentic move to execute the people he wanted gone or who had broken their rules, or whatever than to sell them out to the feds.

>>137983

There's nothing illegal about your first amendment right to assemble. Sure there might be some database of wrongthinkers. If you're not on it already then you're doing it wrong. Truth is I've never advocated for violence so I have nothing to fear. If I do then shit is bad enough where I don't care anymore.

>>137985

from your pic

>gradually /pol/ redpills great part of the internet giving a new breath to nationalist and anti-semitic movements around the globe

Well, when is that going to happen? When will the numbers be sufficient enough? More importantly, how would we know if not by organizing?

I've put in my lurking dues starting on halfchan 2013 and 2015 here.

If I may ask, how long do we wait sitting behind our computers in your opinion? If not a time frame then by what measure do we know it's the time to actually start going out and preaching against the Jews? What's stopping us now?

I feel like now is actually a better time than ever for people wishing to keep their identities hidden given that everyone is forced to wear a mask.

Sure, I could just go ahead and do it myself, but I'm not going to do it alone.

>>129884

t. kike

>>137954

You are retarded kill yourself.

>>129875

>Non-violent assembly is exactly what we need.

Not is it just what we need but it is our right protected by the constitution.

>>152436

You wish we were just facing the kikes. We are actually fighting the entire planet.

>>152436

Way to bump a months old thread with the opposite of real information, fuckface.

>>152442

3rd times the charm

>>137932

This literally never happened and you are a blatant liar.

All these people saying, "dont join" "Its the feds" "stop larping", its pathetic.

Atleast these men choose to try in-person activism and encourage others for a pro-white, pro-nation, and anti-israel nation.

All of you insulting them or attempting to demonize them with falsified allegations are pitiful.

Dude, fuck Patriot Front. They're optics cuck faggots. There are no non-glownigger groups in the US because the intelligence agencies and federal government is too strong in this country. There is no leader on the right here in America who isn't a fed. Literally nothing is beyond their reach except for maybe a few christian identity churches and that's about it. Segregation is dead, you do have Harrison, Arkansas and a few other sundown towns scattered throughout the US, but even they are starting to come into conflict with leftists who want to spread their pozz there. And not only that, but this country is more judaized/negrified now than it was even in Hitler's time. Nigger rap is all zoomers listen to and most of the George Floyd protesters are white oomers/millennials and the only pushback against this is mostly older generations who grew up in a completely different time period and who are also dying out. America is ZOG central in dase you haven't noticed. And not only that, but the Amerimutt meme is true. I am American and am basically an Arab.

>>152496

I was horrified when I was shopping in the grocery store and rap came on as the background music. They also play this track over and over again that is like a chorus of people saying, "Were all in this together…" That is creepy as fuck.

>>152496

>basically an Arab

So what you're saying is that you're not an American, and thus your opinion on American Nationalist organizations is irrelevant.

>>152498

You must be one of those movementarian types like Anglin. Fuck Anglin and fuck Gaytriot Front. Both are fucking feds. Fuuck the Gropers too while I'm at it. Catboykami and Spic Fuentes can both get fucked by niggers like the faggots they are, along with (((Milo))).

>>137932

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It's probably better to post stickers and fliers on your own. Look into the Hundred Handers instead.

>>152497

America is very weak and it can't leave any space untouched with its messaging. It's a sign of domestic weakness in the face of imperial defeat. They are worried about the homefront.

>>152500

Sounds like I hit a nerve. Mutts aren't welcome in the coming America faggot.

>>152511

America is a mutt nation, you mutt.

If you are here to advocate for Patriot Front you should have an actual reason why should someone join Patriot Front with real tangible rewards.

Why should someone join Patriot Front If the answer is just "to save America/White ppl"?

Any group that lacks a real tangible goals and a roadmap on how to get there is likely either a honeypot or a cult.

If the reward of joing Patriot Front is just to meet likeminded people explain how any here can't do that themselves any better? If you want to meet other dissidents your main problem is exposing that you are a dissident to people who will snitch, and as history has shown Patriot Front has had a number of infiltrators AND turn coats who've snitched on members to the system.

So really what is there in Patriot Front to convince anyone to join? You don't really do anything that isn't doable by yourself or with a small unnamed local crew (which you all should have), all you are is a liability. I don't doubt your intentions are good but with good concious I encourage every dissident to stay away and focus on things you can actually achieve, like forming a local crew and engaging in political action that way.

PF holds flags, drops banners and posts stickers. They also don't know eachother's names or faces. So explain to me how the fuck you're going to get honeypotted. V& by glowies for going on a camping trip?

>>152531

>Why should someone join Patriot Front If the answer is just "to save America/White ppl"?

To network, for a sense of community and brotherhood, for a helping hand when members are in a tough spot. Larger orgs make these things easier to achieve than a small group of 5-6 people.

>Any group that lacks a real tangible goals and a roadmap

Patriot Front doesn't lack those things, they just don't post them out there for the world (and their enemies) to see. It's called opsec.

>Patriot Front has had a number of infiltrators AND turn coats who've snitched on members to the system.

That's a blatant lie and you know it.

>like forming a local crew and engaging in political action that way.

A bunch of disconnected small groups scattered across the country aren't going to be what saves our people, nor will they achieve any significant political gains. Conventional politics is dead.

I wonder if this group is run by feds. Some of their stickers might be worthwhile:

https://gab.com/Hundred-Handers

I've known a few of these guys. I would never support someone joining a group. But these guys seem to be okay.

>>152531

>and as history has shown Patriot Front has had a number of infiltrators AND turn coats who've snitched on members to the system.

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>>129865

It's a nice idea, but if it becomes effective, it will be banned from the Internet, just like the much more mild Ann Coulter etc. have been. So learn Tline (=uu). It's important to learn to prevent Artificial Intelligence -based censorship of memes.

>>155641

Sure, pf is infiltrated. All groups are, and if you deny it, you're a glow.

>>155645

lol meant teeline

Good for you OP. Check it out for yourself. I don't know them so I can't comment on that. But the glow shit… That is because cucks/cowards won't act violently against all non-whites (including kikes, of course), but instead call everyone a glownigger for speaking the truth.

The situation is literally overthrow the government through massive killings of authorities and all non-whites all over the country, or the white race will be genocided in America.

"But muh you are a glownigger" will be the only thing that cucks will do. Repeated until their death at the hands of the subhumans.

So in reality, glowniggers aren't the ones telling you to do something, they're the ones telling you to sit back, shitpost and be ethnically replaced.

Glow harder.

>>129865

reddit is where your kind spend their days,you are indeed one of simple mind. now leave this place and never return, you do NOT belong nor are welcome here.

>>129884

pro-tip don't be a jew vermin hiding forever.

>>129884

Thank you, Dr. Peterson

I'm skeptical of any group that wears matching uniforms and marches with flags.

It makes it too easy for the media to have a field day comparing them to the NAAATTZEEES.

If whites are going to join a pro-white group, then the group needs to make its members look as normal as possible, not like they're part of some army or militia. That will scare people away.