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b696a0  No.128991[Last 50 Posts]

COME HERE TO discuss and collaborate on what the best MILITARY HIERARCHY, TRAINING, MANAGEMENT, PROGRAMS, MODELS AND THEORY IS

faggots will be knee-capped and branded

This Thread is for Military discussion but future discussions will be about Intelligence and the Political as well.

>WAR: https://infogalactic.com/info/War

>Technical Writing: https://www.technicalauthoring.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

To start it off going to talk about Scale and Hierarchy:

>|TACTICAL|OPERATIONAL|STRATEGIC|GRAND STRATEGY|

Hierarchy: Three distinct levels of the hierarchy, First handling the Tactical and low Operational, Second handling Operational and low Strategic, Third handling Strategic and Grand Strategy.

Six ranks in Tactic including recruit, Five ranks in Operation, Four ranks in Strategy.

Tactics training includes sensory and physical mastery; so, perception training. Training includes ascetic and survival training. Training includes monk-like mental training for complete self-possession; sharp judgement of distance and speed. Higher ranks develop leadership skills of course.

<Need to collect literature for ascetic, monk-like physical and mental training; sensory perceptual training; tactical including urban raid, compound raid, jungle, desert, mountain assault, solutions to attacking uphill, building fortifications, holding contested points, anything relevant. Please speak on physical training if you are peak .1% in knowledge, anything else is easy to find.

Operations training includes mental training for information processing, computation, memory; technological, communications, encryption knowledge and skill; logistics; miscellaneous skills for the independent commander such as cartography and surveying; construction and fortification research; traps research; greater intra-military, civilian and social capacities.

<Besides the memory savant thread, need to collect together relevant mentation techniques and exercises, Gelfand's Algebra has some good stuff, there's plenty of things to study though so this has to be worked out thoroughly.

Strategy training includes advanced wargaming; research of military theory and history; legal, political, cultural, moral-ethical, philosophical study and debate; experiment and invention; duties include project approval/denial, management and oversight, creation and dismantling; duties include coordinating and overseeing the entire military at their discretion.

<Requires serious depth.

Everyone should have basic comprehension of War and the insights from this list of reading materials:

<JOHN BOYD: Destruction and Creation, Patterns of Conflict, Warfighting MCDP1

<RICHARD BETTS: American Force

<MARVIN A HEDSTROM JR: Limited War in Precision Engagement

<LIEUTENANT COLONEL PATRICK CASSIDY: German Officer Strategic Education

<NAPOLEAN: Napolean's Axioms

<SUN TZU, GENERAL CARL von CLAUSEWITZ, MACHIAVELLI, BARON JOMINI: The Complete Art of War

Games and exercises and problem questions and illustrative case studies or scenarios for each book. Commentary and insights from big brained /pol/acks or someone would be very useful, given that it trolls through the whole book. List should be finished by the time someone reaches third from the top rank in Tactical. John Boyd should be read on entry, Betts and Hedstrom in second rank, Cassidy and Napolean in third rank, The Complete Art of War in fourth rank. If there's no pressing issue then "read ahead".

Next post I'll talk about Time Scale.

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b696a0  No.128995

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Training time-scales, or, THE CYCLES/ MILESTONES YOU SHOULD PLAN FOR:

<FULL: <1 second, 2 seconds, 5 to 10 seconds, 30 to 60 seconds, 5 minutes, 1 hour, 5 hours, 2 days, 1 week, 2 weeks, 1 month, 3 months, 6 months, 1 year, 2 years, 3 y ears, 4 years, 6 years, 8 years, 10 years, 13 years, 16 years, 20 years [one generation].

<ESSENTIAL: <1 second, 30 seconds, 1 day, 2 weeks, 3 months, 1 year, 4 years, 16 years.

<RULE OF THUMB: 2 weeks

So the idea is you boil anything down in 5 - 10 seconds, then an extended 30 - 45 seconds, then a 5 minute crash course, then an hour long lengthy bit of training, then a thorough half/third day of 5 hours, and then a 2 day course, then a week long course, a 2 week course, a month long training cycle, a 3 month long training macro-cycle, et cetera until you have to take into account more and more the wear and tear or burnout that is happening and are forced to recruit if you aren't already.

This works with physical training, skill training, education, or preparing for a whole situation. About to get mauled by niggers and have some slow fucks in your group? "Use solid kicks, control the head, follow my lead, X watch for weapons play support KILL THEM AGHHHH" Need to boil down violence/conflict to a group in a close quarter combat training arch? "KILL OR BE KILLED." << "God and Beast. As Man, grab the chain of each and keep from being ripped apart as they take off in opposing directions. Control your enemy and control yourself while resisting with power the shear tearing force and FRICTION of it. Fighting is chaos and it will be something abyssal and something divine that gets you through."

As well: In <1 second, you look for the moment someone makes a mistake or demonstrates a critical naivety and exploit it, showing them the flaw right away. It's to seek or create pointed and poignant opportunity.

If you're feeling a dull agony and boredom seeing the long list of time scales i.e. time preferences then stick to the Rule of Thumb. Once oriented and sorted out, programs designed and plans made, sort through the Essential time-scales

<If you have a different view on the details of this go ahead and say so. If you have knowledge you can apply Scale to please do so and share.

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b696a0  No.129024

File: 69e0c09afea4296⋯.pdf (2.64 MB, ADP_1_The_Army_with_includ….pdf)

File: c75e033e6df32e6⋯.pdf (2.55 MB, MCDP_1_0_Operation.pdf)

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Remember that this is an intellectual exercise and we are drafting our own conceptions of what the best military organization would look like for fun and in order to critique each other's work, promoting discussion, productivity and creativity.

The fourth image of the OP should assist in structuring the conceptual model, and the Technical Writing wiki should assist in actually writing it down as well as for the structure of the conceptual model, and the Infogalactic wiki will of course assist one do their research.

Military manuals are available online, use:

>searx.me

… as your search engine, and use:

>gen.lib.rus.ec

… for a variety of books.

Of interest is that the US Military places Enlisted soldiers below branches for recruitment, "Learning from Experience", Human Resources and Career Counciling. Then you have commissioned and warrant officers above them all. Staff above the Enlisted.

To simplify discussion let's begin with the Tactical. As before I suggest 6 ranks, which is somewhat arbitrary but any more would have to be justified.

To speak of Tactical ranks: Private, Private First Class, Corporal, Corporal First Class, Sergent, Sergent First Class.

What training would a Private go through? What screening process and accommodations might they receive if any? How would you model or program the training, education and skill progressions of a Private? Similar questions for the Private First Class.

Luckily we have available a whole library of US Military manuals which you can find on archive.org. Listed below are the first stop anyone should take in learning about the US Military:

>ADP 1 The Army

>ADP 3-0 Unified Land Operations

>MCDRP1 Warfighting

>MCDP 1-0 Operation

>MCDP 1-1 Strategy

>MCDP 1-2 Campaigning

>MCDP 1-3 Tactics

>MCDP 2 Intelligence

>MCDP 3 Expeditionary Operations

>MCDP 4 Logistics

>MCDP 5 Planning

As you can see I'm mainly interested in infantry. I feel this is more relatable thus more interesting. Perhaps most of you feel similarly.

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319357  No.129027

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>>128995

Clarifying time-scale.

With such things as weight lifting there are time-scales one programs on, time-scales one invests their personal magic in, and time-scales one's goals ultimately lie on. You program 8 week meso(?)-cycles with a deload at the end, 5 day or 7 day micro cycles that may change each week, and possibly 48 - 56 week macro cycles that may spell the duration of some workout program you're using at the end of which you pick up another depending on the results and it's synergy with your level of progress and goals. Thus you find similar in every physical fitness and sports training, the time-scale is similar across the board. You might find some tryhard anime workout that works on a month time-scale, and perhaps some old man's 5 year time-scale, but overall the macro cycle is a year, the meso cycle 8 weeks, and the micro cycle is a week, with each workout similar or variable depending on the program. You might hit progress each day, each week, each month, each 2 months, each 4 months, who knows. Thus all of it functions on different time-scales and it's important to be able to deduce what exactly the relevant elements are that you should find time-scales of.

With marksmanship, it shouldn't take very long to become very good at it. A year perhaps. The progress you can make in a day, a week, a month and so forth are still relevant though and informs a military how much they can get out of a very limited amount of time and training.

Outside of training there are many elements where time-scale is critical or at least somewhat important. How far can you travel in 10 seconds? 10 seconds with a hundred pounds weighing you down? 10 seconds with a hundred pounds weighing you down going up hill? What about in an hour? What if you're starving, dehydrated, demoralized, sick? Having a measure of things is just par for the course. I believe this would all be exceptionally relevant for someone working on the Operational level, as I think mastering the dimensions of scale and measure makes for exceptional decision-making.

<Perhaps we should focus on the perceptual training of scale and measure that someone on the Tactical level would need to become competent in?

Judging distance by a glance would be important. Knowing how much time it would take to cross a field, how much fire you may take and how likely an enemy is to hit how many given the parameters. This would be up to a Corporal and higher to know as they command teams of men. A private or private first class only needs to know how likely it is he'll hit someone by the distances involved, and focus on the basics.

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e4e2f2  No.129044

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>>128995

>>129027

'Time-Preference, Time-Scales

Those that can bring their energy into the moment can muster great intensity. Those that can manage this more than others have certain advantages though may neglect longer time-scales. This is called a time-preference. Ideally one doesn't have a time-preference they neurotically cling to, but after evolving from their inclinations they can effectively operate on a breadth of time-scales and know when to switch from one to the other given the task and circumstances.

People can generally multi-task though, so while one focuses on say, their form and energy efficiency while running, they are trying to reach the other side of a field whilst hair-trigger ready to drop to the ground if some hidden enemy opens fire. In this example the hair-trigger readiness would be an example of a quarter second time-scale, as the buzzing nerves are poised to react in a quarter of a second or less. The attention to form would possibly be a half-second and quarter second time-scale depending. The journey to the other side of the field would be thirty to sixty seconds, depending. Of course, if there might be enemies nearby why would you cross an open field?

Let's assume there's an air-drop in the field that you have to pick up. 60 lbs. If you had trained in the months prior to move more quickly or have greater stamina and you've been marching for days, would it take 20 seconds to retrieve it? 30 seconds? How likely is a person to be shot given a scenario with a round open field 130m in diameter with 2.5 ft tall grass, and one shooter with an M16 in the treeline 100 degrees to where you left the treeline yourself, that doesn't notice you crossing until you're half to the drop, when it takes you 7 seconds to reach it? 11 seconds? What if your, say, fireteam has fanned out to cover half the perimeter of the field and the shooter was on the opposite side, and a teammate went with you to help bring it back? How likely is it one of you gets shot before the enemy flees or dies, or you return to the edge of the field? Where are you most and least likely to get shot, and how does this affect the hypothetical scenario? If one guy goes down, does the other return the package first then come back for you? There's tall grass after all, but if the enemy has backup moving in all of you may need to retreat right away; thus you may be in an even riskier scenario going back for him when a supply drop at least provides the option to just leave the fucking thing.

So time-scales are also time-windows, clearly. And if you'll recall time-preferences, they too are time-windows of opportunity and risk. Given you have a certain time-window how do you make the most of it? Given it's a training window, given it's a tactical window, given it's an operation's or strategy window? Given a certain time to patrol, to scout, to get somewhere, to get the necessary resources and/or transport them? All of it requires a very strong grasp of time and timing.

STP 21-1-SMCT, Warrior Skills, Level 1; STP 21-24-SMCT, Warrior Skills, Level 2, 3, 4; over 16mb file limit:

>https://www.milsci.ucsb.edu/sites/secure.lsit.ucsb.edu.mili.d7/files/sitefiles/resources/STP%2021-1-SMCT,%20Warrior%20Skills,%20Level%201.pdf

>https://www.milsci.ucsb.edu/sites/default/files/sitefiles/resources/STP%2021-24-SMCT,%20Warrior%20Leader%20Skills,%20Level%202,%203,%20and%204.pdf

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42fc9a  No.129269

This looks like quality effortposting, which I appreciate. But even as a STEMfag with an above-grade intelligence it's clear that it would take me a lot of time just to gain competency in this subject matter, much less contribute to fruitful discussion, which you are apparently soliciting. Just who are you targeting with these posts? Aspiring Minecraft militia leaders? Are you content to just have the information accessible to people (like me) that would never have seen it otherwise? Any hopes for a crash course, or is this the crash course?

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ac4cf6  No.129467

>>129269

This is too slim to be a crash course, and the manuals are rather bare for substance. Most of the content is for idiots to get a clue or understand what's expected of them to the letter (which involves the politics and legality of the native country, which can be quite particular). The only reading material of serious worth is in the OP. Reading through it by the time you reach a Corporal rank and gain command of 12 others seems appropriate.

First thing that comes to mind when soldiering is marching. Marching 70 miles in a day, perhaps 400 in a week. Physical standards in general makes sense as a starting point. Ascetic monk-like training is an interesting take on it. I like that. Judgement of distance and speed, good. Survival training is common sense. Sensory training I'd need some explaining on.

I'm not sure what OP meant besides survival training when he said ascetic monk-like training though. Anything someone could post?

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ac4cf6  No.129479

If "Corporal First Class" is the last rank for study/education, would it be the cap off for PT requirements? The PT requirements would go up right? "Physical Mastery" afterall. If that's the way it goes then "Sergent First Class" would be some sort of ubermensch, leading by example and being an expert trainer a tactical master, can go without water for a week, without food for months. That's all a bit fantasy when you consider how dedicated someone has to be and how difficult it is. It would take forever to reach that point and a military needs commanders that can lead a platoon sooner than that. Top end marching is about 70 miles with an 80 lb pack and that can be achieved just fine though. 500 miles is unrealistic but can be done in a week.

When are you going to need such extremes when we have transport and guns? Maybe in an urban area or as some small force in a jungle, but otherwise it's all ammunition and engines.

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af4ede  No.129482

>>129479

Nobody can achieve that level of physical readiness at all times. It's simply not possible even with steroids.

I speak as a person that has done marches that long with that much weight. It's not physically possible to keep that level of activity up for sustained periods of time.

I don't have to hear anything else about this. BTDT.

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ac4cf6  No.129497

>>129482

Yeah it would be intense. Not something to expect. That you can do it once though is important, so it should still be a standard. Do you mean the week long 60 miles a day march? If that's the top end then that's fine, everyone under a top rank sergent would be below those standards and it would fall to the lowest standard. The lowest standard might be 40 miles each day for a week. I have some ideas of how one would be able to reach higher performance though: Extremely heavy rack pulls, unracking (just unracking) in low squat, high squat position, shoulder (as in shoulder carry), and front squat position, yoke walks, sprint and plyometric training, chondroitin and glucosamine supplementation or bone broth, krill oil and a general multi-vitamin megadose. Probably some fringe nutrition would help quite a bit: shrooms, msm, herb/root combo supplements. CBD oil for at night.

I've heard shinobi or messengers in Japan that had to spirit messages across the country running for days would bury themselves up to their neck in the ground and wake up recharged and ready so that should get a quick experiment going. An anon could do it easily.

If you add it all up a conservative estimate would be an average 70 miles a day for 1000 miles with 80 lb packs in the elite. 80 miles a day if I'm using my own judgement.

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af4ede  No.129501

>>129497

You're unrealistic

The average daily capable distance with anything more than 35lbs for anybody is literally about 30 miles.

Rank doesn't factor in. Age and size do.

Me at 5'8" can carry 35lbs everywhere everyday for years. I can do 30 miles a day with this weight at normal walking pace, about 6mph.

Add 15lbs and my average daily range drops to about 25 mi..

I used to do this for a living. I know what is possible and what it isn't. Now I do it recreationally, and the weights have come down drastically.

Number one reason, I started training without carrying water. Water screws with the math too much, and once you know what you can do, adding water mass is easy to calculate.

A guy at 50lbs more than me can probably keep up with me for a day or so. At the end of the week, I will be out pacing him. If he's over 6'5", he will be outpacing me.

This is assuming similar ages. If they are older, they will have conditioning and pace control on their side. Surprised? You should be. Younger people do consistently worse on ruck marches. Poor pace control and lack of conditioning.

The only variation I have seen in this are the double YY chromosome guys. They are simply impossible to keep up with most of the time. Lucky inbred bastards are like walking noodles.

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ac4cf6  No.129506

>>129501

The OP was talking about basing rank at least partially on physical performance, hence my use. Honestly I might be one of those double YY guys though, so I have an unrealistic sense of things. River flows up. Military doesn't operate on much 'sports science' or research in PT generally, and the nutrition can be shit though. How much strength training have you gone through? Can you give any numbers on explosive or whole body lifts like the clean or power clean, deadlift, snatch, box jump, long jump, sprint? What about rack pull?

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af4ede  No.129508

>>129506

You would know if you were a YY. It would just be obvious.

Lifting heavy and ruck marches do not coincidence. Ruck marching is an extreme endurance activity. On par with Ultra Marathons. A guy that can carry 50lbs for 20 miles without quitting, can run 50k's. He might not win the race, but he can definitely complete it without questioning.

Rank IS based on physical performance. You're never getting past Specialist in the Army without getting over a 250 on you APFT. They won't even look at you for NCO. These days they would probably class you out, or deny you reenlistment.

Weight lifting is a personal effort, it has dick to do with actually performing the job at hand. Olympic lifting would be your best bet.

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19506b  No.129533

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1e5dac  No.129677

OP, this seems like a brick wall idea. The US military 'works' for the enemy fighting for israel, against US interests and what was once US friendlies. You need an economy to support a military, israel 'owns' your economy lock-stock-and-barrel via the FED. Your politicians in democrats are 'majority' dual israeli citizens card holders.

Military means nothing when your spy institutions keep israelis in power in the US. They just sell the enemy your home made super-secrets and weapons, for you to fight against later, increasing the FED debt and escalating technology cost.

Wars aren't won by military strength anymore, they are won by subversion and economy. Even the old Ruskies knew that much.

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9ff7da  No.129859

>>129508

>Weight lifting is a personal effort, it has dick to do with actually performing the job at hand. Olympic lifting would be your best bet.

I mostly agree but rack pulls focuses on the very top range can help quite a bit, same with unracking. Quarter squats. Olympic lifts and sprinting is most useful. What you say about their ability to run 50ks I had in mind for sure. Me and my father are the noodle slim strength lb for lb types which is why I say we might be "YY" whether you meant that literally or not. Strength and tendon stiffness and strength all go towards endurance so having strength in the relevant range is important and power training is not easy to make progress in without power exercises. Power exercises are great for endurance and recover or work capacity as well.

Top side 30 miles a day with 80 lbs for a week, 20 miles with 80 lbs each day for a week as deload makes sense, but I think with modern nutrition and training putting it up to 40 miles at least and 30 miles as deload makes more sense.

>>129677

The military model is important to comprehend and hold in your mind. Corporations are inspired by it. In a small group dynamics of hierarchy still apply when trying to get anything done. We're just here to talk about something fun and interesting.

As for whether militaries are relevant: If you don't even have 10 000 strong, no explosives, no anti-aircraft, nothing to deal with long range artillery from sea, you're fucked. There's enough potential for destruction to prevent war - that's the truth of it.

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9ff7da  No.129862

>>129859

>>129508

Isometrics would be big though. Get a set up with a chain anchored to the ground in two spots so you can stand with it on your shoulders and try and stand and straighten yourself out until it bends and breaks. That is the magic chemical X I am thinking would push performance through some upper boundaries.

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40df6e  No.130344

Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.

OP here. Marching is a good start since physical mastery is a big part of being a soldier. I agree with the anon with the ultra-high standards. Athletic science, insightful training, and advanced nutrition and supplementation are not used enough to get the most out of people. A lot of >>129862 >>129497 [ac4cf6] makes sense. After reading >>129501[af4ede] I think there's a way to draw this line. High 1-day standards, much lower 14-day+ standards. I haven't read any military manuals besides some quick skimming and checks of table of contents, and was hoping someone with military experience would provide input so thank you. Input welcome.

>Prioritize distance over carry capacity; the whole army has to reach Point B from Point A. 1/2 weight for +20% or +10 miles whichever is lower.

<Food is the less essential between food and water.

<If moderately rationing food and water, cut the miles down to 1/2 if resupply is not expected within 72 hours but only by 2/3 if reaching the destination secures food and water. If severely rationing food and water, cut the miles down to 1/3 if resupply is not expected within 48 hours but only 1/2 if reaching the destination secures food and water.

MARCHING - Table list begins from top rank, descending

80 | 70 | 60 | 45 | 30 | 15 | WEIGHT STANDARD in POUNDS

80 | 70 | 60 | 50 | 40 | 30 | MILES 1-day march

55 | 50 | 43 | 35 | 25 | 15 | MILES 2 to 7-day march

40 | 35 | 30 | 23 | 15 | 10 | MILES 9 to 14-day march

28 | 25 | 22 | 18 | 14 | 10 | MILES 18 to 42-day march or indefinitely

CRAWL Under 2 ft 2 inches

40 | 35 | 30 | 24 | 17 | 10 | WEIGHT STANDARD in POUNDS

20 | 14 | 08 | 04 | 02 | 01 | MILES 1-day crawl

13 | 09 | 05 | 02 | 01 | 0.5| MILES 2 to 7-day crawl

09 | 05 | 02 | 01 | 0.5| .33| MILES 9 to 14-day crawl

Who the fuck needs to crawl for a month

Testing involves crawling for days without being allowed to stand.

ONE ARM CRAWL [each arm] No use of legs

20 | 15 | 10 | 05 | 00 | 00 | WEIGHT STANDARD in POUNDS

06 | 4.5| 03 | 1.5| 0.5| .33| MILES 1-day crawl

4.5| 3.5| 02 | .75| .33| 0.2| MILES 2 to 7-day crawl

Testing involves crawling for days with one arm tied to the body. Not allowed to stand.

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79fd95  No.130348

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(((In Consideration, On Reflection)))

With these standards it makes sense that most no one would become top rank as a tactical operative. If one assumes that every operations and strategy operative had to reach top tactical rank, there'd be no operations and strategy operative. The solution I think isn't to allow people to fully bypass or even mostly bypass the standards, but to put the requirements at Rank 5 "Sergent" for operations and Rank 4 "Corporal First Class" for strategy operatives. There'd also be allowances made for those that excel in their studies, written tests, wargame exercises and by demonstrations of great leadership and problem-solving ability; lowering the standards by one or possibly two ranks. If the general standards are lowered considerably over-time the allowances made for the otherwise excellent will be reduced so that all must pass the requirements of Rank 3 "Corporal" for Operations and Rank 2 "Private First Class" for Strategy no matter what.

<This is a separate issue from pay grade. By meritorious action and seniority one's pay should increase.

>On a tangent, those that have experienced a lot of combat should be phased out of the most dangerous of roles, and the green should be phased in. Assessing risks accrued would be the role of Operations operatives, partially for the awarding of medals, partially for pay grade, partially for operational success, and finally to move experienced veterans out of highly dangerous roles into moderately dangerous ones, moderately experienced or risk accrued soldiers into more dangerous roles and operations if they haven't been in the red yet, and green soldiers into moderately dangerous roles and operations. Low danger roles and operations generally should go to long-time veterans and fresh soldiers.''

For training it makes sense to strengthen every muscle used in the range of motion you use them in for each activity. A strong muscle has strong tendons and bones, has dense and efficient function. All in all a heavy yoke walk covers all of this. It's walking with a heavy weight on your shoulders just as in rucking but using much heavier weights for much shorter distances. An 800 lb yoke walk for 20 yards can definitely carry over to long distant rucking. It's already well established that explosive power exercises provide nearly as many benefits for endurance as strength, such as with sprinting. It's also already established that strength training develops endurance better than endurance training benefits strength. It's only rational to sprint, yoke walk, and run 200 yard to 1000 yard distances weighted. Even something as microscopic as picking up a half-ton yoke stand (3 inch movement) and putting it back down is good training for heavy rucking. Other neglected activities such as ankle rolling progressing to advanced ankle rolling, shrugs and rack pulls, heavy and/or distance low duck walking, push and pull sled exercises, and miscellaneous all should be part of a soldier's training program. The best and specific programming, methodologies and exercises would be worked out.

>Video is a 146 lb woman yoke walk 520 lbs 70 ft.

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4865f3  No.130783

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OP here. Got some research and a few words.

The reason the top rank boots should have unbelievable standards is partially because the top rank boots should earn as much as or more respect and status compared to what you would call "commissioned officers" in most militaries, these being Captains, Majors, Colonels, and Generals with their Lieutenants. On every scale of war, from tactical to operations to strategy, the best of the best should earn the best recognition. But in the tactical there is more room for every grade of boots, less so in operations, and least so in strategy. This is why tactical should have six ranks, operations should have five ranks, and strategy should have four ranks.

>Onto research…

<On the benefits of Glucosamine, Chondroitin.

https://sci-hub.se/10.1111/1756-185X.13068

https://sci-hub.se/10.1038/srep16827

<On military injury relating to overtraining.

https://dc.uwm.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2531&context=etd

The highest rate of bone fracture occurs in the lower leg and knee. Strengthening the lower leg bones is critical to improving march capacity. Thus, foot lifts with weight on the top of the foot, to strengthen the shin musculature, is critical. As well calf raises should be employed. To get creative and more effective I think a sort of mammalian forefoot walk would be effective in developing the lower leg and knee's ligature, musculature and perhaps produce more well-rounded bone structure by the expanded palette of stressors to inform bone growth and form.

The lumbar is next up for bone fractures. Cat/Cow movement in the bent row position with a barbell or dbs in the hands should help develop strength and ligature in full range of spinal flexion and extension for the lumbar. Bending to the left and right in the bent row position as well. Deadlifts with one side heavier than the other, shovel lifts and actual work with a shovel or hammer, pickaxe, axe will also help.

Shoulder fractures are next up, so for both a strong core and shoulders, besides what's been mentioned, the military press should be employed.

Attached is a video demonstrating the translatability of airsoft to real firearm usage. It's a mental sort of training more than anything; training of INTENT. As with martial arts, physical training, and most any training physical or not, it's a matter of intent.

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764669  No.130803

>>130348

In consideration, on reflection

I think reducing the physical requirements on those handling operations so that every odd rank reduces the physical standards by one makes sense now. On becoming First Rank in Operations, one has to be at Fifth Rank level in Tactics. Standards degrade to Third Rank Tactics by Fifth Rank in Operations.

In Strategy, standards may degrade in Operations and Tactics by one on even ranks of Strategy; reducing standards Operations to Third Rank and Tactics to First Rank when one reaches the very peak.

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834b67  No.131326

>>129501

6 mph, a brisk walk, would net you 72 miles in 12 hours.

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b6e094  No.132110

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Unit Size and Leadership

>Given the proposed six ranks for Tactical operatives of Private, Private First Class, Corporal, Corporal First Class, Sergent and Sergent First Class.

<There should also be the rankless recruit, not officially a member of the military so perhaps referred to as 'listed' or 'rankless'.

The unit size increased exponentially from 2. The Private commands none but himself, and would be 2 to the power of 0, otherwise known as 1. The Private First Class commands himself and one other, making a team of 2, known as a Fire and Maneuver Team in the American military. The Corporal commands himself and three others, making a team of 4, known as a Fireteam in the American military. The Corporal First Class commands himself and seven others, making a team of 8, known as a Squad in the American military. The Sergent commands himself and fifteen others, making a team of 16, known as a Platoon in the American military. The Sergent First Class commands himself and thirty one others, making a team of 32, known as a Platoon as well in the American military, being the top end of the size range.

>Given the proposed five ranks for Operations operatives, currently without [placeholder] names.

<Odd ranks of Operations operatives should see a doubling in unit size under their command.

First Rank: 64 including oneself. Between a Platoon and a Company in the American military.

Third Rank: 128 including oneself. Known as a Company in the American military.

Fifth Rank: 256 including oneself. Between a Company and Battalion in the American military.

>Given the proposed four ranks for Strategy operatives, currently without [placeholder] names.

<Each rank should see a doubling in unit size.

First Rank: 512 including oneself. Known as a Battalion in the American military

Second Rank: 1 024 including oneself. Between a Battalion and a Regiment in the American military.

Third Rank: 2 048 including oneself. Known as a Regiment in the American military.

Fourth Rank: 4 096 including oneself.Known as a Regiment in the American military, on the high end of the range.

As one can see, by this method the top unit size possible is a mere 4096 strong Regiment. This is intentional, so as to force commanders to make the most of what they are given. Since they understand and have experienced commanding each tier of unit, and the units scale up linearly (being very easily split up) they should know how to maximize the effectiveness of their unit at every scale and each scale of unit should find it easy to execute on commands.

<Perhaps above these ranks would be spiritual and political leaders.

The issue with the ease of scale and splitting of these units, and the self-dependency fostered all around, and breadth of training at all ranks, is that it would be easy for a military to fracture and units to go rogue and do their own thing. In a war with a clear premise and goal this isn't the case, but with the standard of corruption and muddledness the USA demonstrates, excellence can't tolerate the bullshit and it drops out. Thus, political and spiritual excellence is the domain of Strategic operatives somewhat, and perhaps the primary training of a theoretical higher level called Grand Strategy. As politicians today control the military, perhaps it will be the military trained that become politicians in the future, and it will be Good.

The issue of "war for war's sake" may arise from this however. Seeking excellence, to whet their blade, they seek war and lead the nation to constant and intense immoral wars. Thus the Operations operative seeks mental excellence, in the analytical sense, and the Strategy operative seeks mental excellence in the strategic, the high level synthesis, the crafty and sometimes wise sense. Then the Grand Strategist, with deeper wisdom and creativity, operating on time-tables that sometimes stretch beyond their own lives, must recognize the depth and complexity of moral and spiritual elements. They must plant trees they'll never know the shade of, nip buds that none would suspect malevolent till their grandchildren suffered the consequences, inspire and lead in ways that will only show its virtue in rare but possibly inevitable circumstances (and at critical junctures), but most of all they must know and confront their own marrow.

>Given a proposed three ranks for Grand Strategists.

First Rank: 8 192 including oneself. Between a Regiment and a Division in the American military.

Second Rank: 16 384 including oneself. Exceeding a Division by some margin, in the American military.

Third Rank: 32 768 including oneself. A Corps in the American military.

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818295  No.132171

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>>132110

<Though I said the logical doubling of units and excellent broad training may result in easy fracturing if fighting a retarded or convoluted war, I'd like to backpedal and proclaim that it would be much much more difficult under any expected circumstances.

>The only reason I said it would be easier is I imagined the linear scaling with the broad and rather deep competencies would give each individual and their unit a strong sense of identity along with a mastery of the hierarchy they exist within, thus they may see the way things are being done and the purposes the hierarchy are put to as wrong, and with their sense of mastery they may feel that it is their own domain or territory in a primal sense that is being devalued, and too they may feel their commander isn't much different from themselves, thus they may go against their commands in small ways until finally they go against them completely and proclaim themselves independent.

>It happens already in militaries around the world. Maybe making things conceptually simple would promote this, maybe dissuade it, maybe there's a change in behavior of the phenomenon but overall no difference. Maybe the change in behavior is beneficial either way though.

Perhaps the reason the USA military uses the units it does is that 8 is the maximum one can feel a close bond to their group, 30 is the maximum one can feel part of a group or class of people, and 150 is the maximum one can feel part of a tribe. This is backed by empirical study. Is 800 another special number? Is 4, 000? Are these numbers iron clad? 7 is about the number of objects (objects of attention not necessarily physical) your working memory can work with. What is 30 the maximum of? 150?

I think that with the jump of 7 to 30, you have about 4 groups under your command, and then you usually have peers and a leader. When operating just within your group you may interact with 4 sub-group leaders and some individuals, which could add up to 7. When dealing with peers and leaders, you have 1 above you and at least 2 peers, which when considering the 4 you command you get 7 once again.

In general you want to group anything by 5 - 9 max. Any mental model should take in up to 7 and output less than the input. Thus you give the same command to groups A and B, specific command for C, same command to groups D and F, and the same commands for groups E and G. Inside the mental model you have a process that may fluctuate between 1 and 9, but the end result should be effective and under the input #.

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818295  No.132186

>>132171

<Correction: Outputs don't have to be lower than inputs.

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1de71c  No.133938

>>132171

This actually sounds like a completely fascinating book anon. I think I am going to purchase the paperback.

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724c7f  No.134096

>>131326

>With a full kit on your back

Anything over 10 miles is extreme pain. You can push troops as hard as you want but you need them to be able to set up camp, maintain firewatch and be able to fight. Anything over 20 miles a day, especially consecutively, would cause a ton of casualties before ever seeing the enemy.

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724c7f  No.134102

>>132171

>Unit size

That's an important topic. I can't speak for the army but the Marine Corps generally structures itself with multiples of 3 and 4.

>4 men in a fire team

>3 fire teams in a squad

>3 squads in a platoon

>4 platoons in a company

>4 companies in a battalion

Etc. And everything above squad level has command staff (platoon sgt, platoon leader, etc which generally do not count toward the manpower in a tactical sense)

This way, you are in a squad of 12 guys but 7 or 8 is the optimal number for cooperative efficiency, that is offset by the fact that you generally are only working with your 4 man fire team and the other two fireteams exist in your head as each being a singular object, thereby there are only 6 points of concentration.

The psychology behind it is very interesting.

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060e4e  No.134158

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>>134096

OP here.

You're not supposed to be an untrained armchair, faggot.

>Anything over 20 miles a day, especially (lol casualties from one 20 mile hike) consecutively, would cause a ton of casualties before ever seeing the enemy.

Jesus christ. You are the extreme opposite of what I was espousing. The opinion of someone with 0 fitness informing their own opinion with their own physical incompetence.

Given a year of training, going 30 miles with 35 lbs as the other anon said >>129501 would be the norm, not 10 miles. 20 miles will kill people? Really? The standards would have to be so terribly low we'd be talking about… I guess the modern USA army! You have a point. In a degenerate shit hole your standards would be standard.

4 mph, a mild walking pace for 8 hours nets you 32 miles

This is not even mentioning 10 minute breaks each hour and a 30 minute break in the middle of the afternoon.

I'm not sure if delusion is this rampant or you're a shill. People can be retarded when it comes to math and fitness, but this is just depressing. The other anon was reasonable, you are not.

>>134102

I believe keeping it to 2s rather than 3s would be good as it frees up working memory, and leaders have more objects of working memory to deal with so it helps them command better. Tactical level soldiers should focusing on looking in the darkest parts of the shadows around them, scanning the horizon and sky, synthesizing tactical plans in changing environments, going over their training, et cetera. In the fire, they should be able to perceive and think about what their whole squad or fireteams or other squads are doing to find opportunities and come up with shit on the spot, which is easier with a total of 8 than 12. When not thinking about what the other fireteam or squads are doing, you are focusing on the enemy and their actions/movements. Thus, freeing up working memory/attention is good no matter what.

It might even be better to, instead of doubling, adding half. So 1 goes up to 2 goes up to 3 goes up to 4, to 6, to 9, to 13, to 19, to 29, et cetera. This way you can work out the nuance of tactical this and that better.

The lack of depth in tactics would account for the "MOOOOOOREEE" approach to units. If you have a super team of 2, adding 1 is a game changer. When you have a super team of 3, adding 1 is a game changer. When you have a super team of 4, adding 1 perhaps is not a game changer, but adding 2 is.

Thus 6 ranks would not suffice. 9 would do it though, and that's the upper limit of how many objects a person can hold in working memory so one can conceptualize the rise of tactical scale with full view of the 'territory' so to speak. This should lead to extreme tactical depth and effectiveness.

Personally I think the people in charge of a tactical team should be the most tactically competent, most physically competent, most perceptually competent (aware, dynamic, quick, sharp eyes and ears). This scaling would ensure that those at the top have the most thorough experience and training to make that possible.

As for the Operations level ranks - 44, 66, 99. If each rank sees an increase in unit size - 149, 224 as well. The doubles is quaint but it's just following the x1.5 rule. Operations level has the same responsibilities per usual, but should be very near-tactical. A very involved support and command role in any engagement. They should be the brains of any operation, and competent in technical matters. Education plays a big role at this level, as you can only engage so much so if you lack the competence to command appropriately. If one's ability to engage with operations is shallow then there is a problem that requires remedy; it should be so involved and deep that one innovates on the spot often - that one deepens the tactical and operational art (as each rank should by way of pushing to a realization of absolute efficacy and mastery).

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281702  No.134162

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>grand strategy

I used to play lots of eu4 myself

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6bbccb  No.134187

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>>134162

Make it through training and possibly war, and you'll eventually rank up to Strategist.

>>133938

Glad to help. I survey a lot of books and authors looking for interesting ideas and topics. I have another you'd be interested in I think, "Logic and the Art of Memory" by Rossi. As far as I can deign from the description, it suggests that the use and development of memory techniques lead to the creation of logic, in an effort to find a universal language to encapsulate phenomena. This puts one in the ontological and epistemological level in order to author phenomena with greatest encompass, distilling praxis and fundamental axioms of nature (phenomena), and then of the relative abstract itself (epistemological, ontological) perhaps placing one on an even more abstract level (noumena? Creation by lack of contradiction but without necessity to exist, thus yet uncreated, perhaps never to be created?).

I don't know how the book goes but it's an interesting premise.

http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php? md5=2B5D7AEF6DB728E3108ECBB86A2B822D

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300c61  No.134231

>>134158

You have absolutely no fucking idea what you are talking about.

>Walk with 35 lbs

Thats a rifle, a combat load of ammo and a load bearing vest and a gallon of water. Leaving absolutely no room for field gear, rations, heavy weapons, comms, extra ammunition or extra clothes.

What you are describing is a backpacking trip with your autistic friends, not marching to war loaded for bear. Adequate supplies for an infantryman will weigh no less than 60lbs and that's not counting heavy weapons or medical bags. By the time you get to 10 miles a third of your guys would be sucking wind pretty bad. By the time you get to 20 everyone will be hurting. A fucking 5 mile hump is basically nothing but it still fucking sucks dick. And, it doesn't matter how much shape you are in or how often you hump. There are hard limits on how far you can push men and still expect them to be combat effective. More than 20 miles a day? Day after day? You will have half your men on their asses dealing with serious sports injuries and infected blisters.

>2s rather than 3s

In order for that to make any sense you would have to reinvent tactical doctrine from the ground up because modern small unit tactics wouldn't revolves around two attack elements and one command and support element.

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b4cdeb  No.134260

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>>134231

I feel like if you're gonna larp, why not just steal the strongest military's doctrine?

>>134158

>>134102

>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_march

Even the Romans could only march 20m in a day, and they weren't carrying rpg's and radio equipment.

And what's the point of marching in an urban battlefield? (not a military scientist)

On platoon size

Platoons are a natural size (16-44) of people you can remember the names of. This is where the brotherly bond between soldiers in formed.

And I believe a battalion is also a natural size (similar to a Roman century) of people you can remember the faces of.

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6bbccb  No.134279

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>>134231

I like the idea of re-inventing it from the ground up. Means I get to learn it inside and out. Most people don't know much about the subject and it would be a good opportunity for anyone else as well.

As for your account of weight: Rifle ~8 lbs yeah? Water 8 lbs, 8 lbs of ammo, and at least 13 lbs of plates but often 26 lbs, some extra including magazines, grenades, helmet, clothing and pack, making a total of 50 lbs at the very least. This would make sense if some equipment and food were being carried by vehicles. Assuming no vehicles then 65 lbs, 70 lbs. Assuming full plate then 80 lbs average is about right.

Hey that's my weight vest's top weight.

As for blisters: The issue is mostly the sock and boot; feet should develop thick thick hide (not so much callouses) by barefoot hiking in bootcamp (heh). Once one can jog on craggy gravel with 30 lbs or so, barefoot without injury or much discomfort, there should be very little blistering once within boots. On safe terrain one can go without the boots and socks entirely. This also promotes the ankle strength necessary to avoid injury. Barefoot tends to reduce impact at the heel and is better for knees generally - people walk with better form I guess when barefoot.

I was wondering if you were some idiot or military, assumed you were an idiot, didn't check your ID as I would have decided you were talking big weight if I knew you were the guy who posted >>134102

I think with modern athletic, sports and physiological science, plus the wisdom and insights of the best and strongest, all can make supermen out of common soldiers so that at least 30 miles with 80 lbs is a feasible daily march. The feet are a big issue and barefoot hiking on various terrains will both prevent injury in skin and bone; the chaotic stimulus of a bumpy surface goes a long ways to building all around strong and durable feet. Boots make walking form tend towards the heel which is absolute shit. Glucosamine and chondroitin supplementation will lead to bone microfractures healing on the daily. Cod liver oil or Krill oil will oil up the joints, prevent pain or cure pain and aid healing of the foot joints and bones too. Strength and plyometric training of the shins, calves, ankles, knees and feet will go a long long way. In general the eccentric is more important for preventing injury so that will be focused on. Isometrics have been shown to lead to incredible strength, and I believe eccentric strength especially. It develops steadiness and proper force transference too. Development of the posterior chain and the standing range of motion will allow one to deal with the weight on one's torso. The lumbar has to be built and the core too; the shovel lift can assist in this, as it's an asymmetric stimulus on the torso/spine. The asymmetrically loaded deadlift as well. Many old strongman exercises develop the lumbar and 'awkward strength' in general, which would help quite a bit. I think a wheelbarrow exercise would be good but I'm not sure if it would make the cut as a high shoulder carry would be more "sport specific", but it's somewhat like a deadlift and should round out one's strength (I think it shores up some blind spots so to speak).

There's a lot to go into so I'll just suggest authors that have a lot to say on the topic of strength. With strength one can avoid many of these injuries you mention. You can't have conditioning to carry 80 lbs for tens of miles if you don't have the strength to prevent injury. If you can prevent injury with ultra high strength, you can condition up to at least 30 miles.

With your input I think 80 miles is a mythical realm, but feats of strength have seemed rather mythical and feats of strength generally don't involve the feet, calves or shins, so there's an area that once developed could possibly allow a breakthrough in marching.

The authors and books:

Steve Justa "Rock, Iron, Steel", "Iron Isometrics"

Bud Jeffries a lot of books

Harry Wong (heh) "Dynamic Strength"

"NSCA's Tactical Strength and Conditioning Facilitator's Reference Guide"

Alexander Zass "Samson's Systems and Methods", skim " The Amazing Samson"

There's some myofascial stuff that would suggest optimal exercise patterns, but I haven't looked into it much.

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6bbccb  No.134281

I don't think any of them talk about strengthening the ankles, feet, shins, calves (mostly not), but there's a lot to learn here.

As well, Bruce Lee has some interesting info and he was just getting better and better before he died. Reportedly he could hold 80 lbs in a front raise (2hands) for 2 minutes. Genuinely impressive. I believe an exercise where a heavy weight is held by the tops of the feet, suspended over the edge of some platform in the air, with heels affixed to the said platform, for time (minutes, tens of minutes, an hour with a low weight) along with foot lifts would go quite far. Hiking on the forefoot, no weight at first just some distance, would eventually lead to a very strong topfoot, ankle, shin and a change in hiking form that better distributes weight even after one stops hiking on the forefoot; mostly it develops eccentric strength, some explosive strength and ligature (one would 'walk light' even with extra weight).

>>134260

Nah. Not too difficult to go up to hundreds of name-faces. Apparently an old roman general knew every name and face of his 30, 000+ soldiers and their family name, crest and family members. I'd stop at 29 in this theoretical military model just because I'd like to get deeper into how well a small unit can function, how complex, how advanced it can get.

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6bbccb  No.134300

>>134281

>>134279

Ah I just found the author and books I have been looking for. Nice. Brook Kubik, "Dinosaur Training". Really good.

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89b752  No.135495

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(((OP))) here.

Some mathematics revealing a path to supreme physical excellence.

On Sprinting

The foot contact time of regular, average sprinters is equal to that of their air-time. This time is about .12 seconds. The approximate G-force they exert is about 4G. An olympic sprinter's foot-strike is about .08 seconds and their air-time is still about .12 seconds. The approximate G-force they exert is about 6G.

>This means that when you sprint, if you weight 150 lbs you are virtually 600 lbs when you strike the ground.

>When a 150 lb oly sprinter sprints, they weight virtually 900 lbs when they strike the ground.

<But this seems like bullshit to me.

Still, if you can walk with an extra 750 lbs on for about 291 meters, which is the max distance an olympic sprinter can go all out (on average), you will possibly be ready to reach olympic sprint speeds after training sprints for a few months.

<But this seems like bullshit to me.

I believe the time ratio is more important here. It takes .06 seconds for the average person to reverse the downward momentum of .12 seconds free fall; calculated from the top of the parabola of air-time to the point where the downward momentum is stopped and reversed. This ratio is 2x.

An olympic sprinter reverses this weight in .04 seconds, which totals the free-fall time to .10 seconds. This would be a ratio of 2.5x.

''Now given a mass falling for 1 second, it should take 1 second to stop it from accelerating any more given an opposite, upward acceleration that is double it. This tells that a standard sprinter is pushing 2G into the ground, as given a freefall of .06 seconds they stop the weight of their body in .06 seconds.

To think of this, think of a weight thrown up and falling down. This arcs in a parabola. The time it takes to peak and turn back towards the Earth is the same as the time it takes to fall from the peak of the arc to the level it was launched from. Now to cancel this downward acceleration you need an upward acceleration. This is just to cancel out the acceleration though, the velocity or speed will remain the same. Now imagine your upward acceleration is like gravity - assuming a parabola arc, a weight would 'free fall' upward at the same rate if you first neutralized gravity's acceleration with an upward force or acceleration equal to it (1G) which is pushing 1G into the ground because your upward acceleration comes from pushing down against the ground, and then add your upward acceleration of 1 more G to make it parabola upward in the same time as an object would in free fall.

But with the oly sprinter it's different. Momentum must make a 180 degree turn before the body can turn the free-fall around and push upward. Force = change in momentum over "change in time". Assuming momentum is down 1, it must go up 2, so that you wind up going up 1 when you add it up. Assuming time is 1, the change in time would be 1 if they were equal but it's 2/3 because it's quicker. It's a bit confusing but the point is that the force is exerted for less time with the same result. Thus it sums up to 3.

So the regular sprinter experiences 2G on average and the oly sprinter 3G in their foot-strike when sprinting.

The thing with this is that a weight lifter can get up to 10G whilst a sprinter will never experience that sort of training stimulus.

The slow grinding strength would require much more substantial eccentric strength and density. Instead of a horse you'd have a bull, but a fast fucking bull. Bulls can run quite fast actually. As one may guess, going a mile with 300 lbs on is not impossible at all. Some athletic sorts can go with 200 lbs on for a mile on flat land though they'd be sore and exhausted. I've personally, without any training and being a shut-in that doesn't work out, felt a surge of motivation and gone 3.75 miles up and down hills with 80 lbs on on a hot day without water. It took I believe 55 or 65 minutes. That's not 200 lbs but I'm nobody. I ended strong and felt refreshed and renewed at the end. I felt I could go longer but was satisfied. I spent the entire time exerting effort on my mental state, my focus, my will - I kept myself ready and in mentally-emotionally-motivationally good form. I took a small rest for a minute or three half way through, taking the weight off. I'm 160 lbs.

300 lbs on flat ground for a mile is very feasible for a 150 lb person. I believe it could be done without extreme willpower in six months if they have decent starting fitness.

All it takes is proper periodization, incremental progressions. I believe most of this is mental, creating your own program, going over the numbers. The goal is important, but it's about focus and will.

<Thus concludes my thoughts on physical training.

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89b752  No.135508

>>135495

OP here.

Not 10G in weight lifting/strongman; at most 6G, generally 4 - 5G. My bad.

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2c71e1  No.135989

>>134187

You are brilliant anon. I am looking for more data like this. Great suggestion. I am going to buy this one too. I am desperately looking for information on acausal reality and this may help me understand human perception as well. Know thyself axiom and all that. Anyway, thank you!

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42730e  No.135995

File: fd06378f19ec394⋯.png (112.79 KB, 494x333, 494:333, alan_greenspan.png)

File: efff9b86681215b⋯.jpg (796.36 KB, 874x1416, 437:708, plato_the_republic.jpg)

>Military discussion but future discussions will be about Intelligence

Don't put military before intelligence. Intelligence can (and does) render military unnecessary.

Infowar is non-central to the process. Republic is the theater. Infowar is the method of theatrics. And all theatrics are peripheral, and not even necessary in the grand scheme of things. The theater makes the economics more profitable, is all. Thus all infowar is actually economics; PR, simplifying the process.

The people are not central to the process. They like to think that they are, and hence we have Republic. And hence we have infowar.

Intelligence can (and does) render all military unnecessary. Much military action is now infowar. Vietnam was infowar.

Focus first on what you know, what you think you know, what your enemy knows, who your enemy is, and what your enemy thinks he knows, who you are, why you are here, and just what the hell is going on anyway, and you can eliminate all need for military action.

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42730e  No.135996

File: 94dc8a3601a3a31⋯.png (1.02 MB, 1057x533, 1057:533, ClipboardImage.png)

>>135989

>desperately looking for information on acausal reality

It's not hard to find.

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d4890a  No.136036

>>135995

Because of this I think America would lose a war with China

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9c303b  No.136042

>>135995

>eliminate all need for war

No.

>Military last

No.

>>135989

Don't over-rate me. I just linked a book and used big words to describe the book and added a thought or two that seemed to fit and explain it.

Don't know about acausal reality or whatever but I know a bit about process.

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28e60f  No.136056

>>135989

I see what you mean. Acausal as in becoming self-determined.

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42730e  No.136088

File: 99e24e0369d49ea⋯.jpg (44.02 KB, 608x480, 19:15, aprescottike.jpg)

File: 56051a7bbf71a46⋯.png (165.53 KB, 605x328, 605:328, bolshevism_works_easily_wi….png)

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>>136036

>walmart chair murrica guy, the post

China is another fake enemy to maintain the status quo, shill. America's (((overlords))) fake it into wars against its interests time after time, like shooting fish in a barrel.

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42730e  No.136092

File: c78818163c838b1⋯.png (3.68 MB, 1408x1556, 352:389, ClipboardImage.png)

>>136042

>>eliminate all need for war

>No.

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2c71e1  No.136112

File: 243929c15d435ec⋯.jpg (299.96 KB, 990x1258, 495:629, occult_map_of_the_psyche_o….jpg)

>>136056

I think God (or perhaps lesser gods) are acausal.

>>136042

A persons value is determined by he who perceives.

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2c71e1  No.136113

File: 95ab782a3993c3d⋯.jpg (43.18 KB, 497x561, 497:561, release_me_human_cat.jpg)

>>135996

>It's not hard to find.

Feed me. ;^)

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42730e  No.136129

File: 4a30e011d41d097⋯.gif (957.69 KB, 500x210, 50:21, don_elon.gif)

>>136113

Start with Jung. He had most of it figured out, FFS.

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606464  No.136146

>>136092

Weak. Quit shitting up the thread. Only thing preventing war is the extreme readiness for war.

>>136112

Retard. Get out /fringe/.

>>135569

Current goal of thread is to build up to a 16 mile 80 lb ruck (march).

''Program: 80 lbs for 1000 ft 3x a day 6x a week.

Progressions: +10lb and +500 ft each week. Use dumbbells in the hand or additional weight worn.''

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606464  No.136158

>>136146

At 140 lbs carry, change progressions to +5 lbs a week. At 180 lbs carry, change progressions to +1 lb and reduce march/ruck to 2x a day (one will be going 8000 ft at this point). At 190 lbs and 13, 000 ft one should be capable of the 80 lb 16 mile march. That's 24 weeks or 6 months.

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2c71e1  No.136169

File: 75924ec08692e0b⋯.gif (3.7 MB, 498x278, 249:139, arguing_with_retarded_kike….gif)

>>136146

>Get out /fringe/.

We are all looking forward to the announcement of your graduation and that you can finally do first grade math anon.

>>136129

Thanks fag.

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42730e  No.136182

File: 958627a74573a3e⋯.jpg (204.66 KB, 622x775, 622:775, god_bless_our_troops.jpg)

>>136146

>Only thing preventing war is the extreme readiness for war

You can start by going to a modern u.s. military academy moron. They'll teach you sun tsu and the art of not being a gung-ho murrican LOSER

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42730e  No.136185

File: 36123a2290b9228⋯.jpg (86.81 KB, 690x536, 345:268, dangerous_hobby.jpg)

>>136169

Yeah but seriously read Jung.

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42730e  No.136186

File: c9d4255d1791b35⋯.png (1.92 MB, 1918x720, 959:360, ClipboardImage.png)

>>136088

>vastly underrated post

Consider all the (((names))) talking up cold war with china, and if you don't see history repeating itself, you're murrican. That's the new murrican test.

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48de75  No.136409

This might actually qualify for /pnd/'s "Most Retarded Thread Ever" award.

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df339c  No.136428

>>136185

>Avi Rubin

You think they would catch on and start using fake names to hide the jewery.

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42730e  No.136516

File: fd05b0e806444ac⋯.gif (516.22 KB, 480x270, 16:9, humor_the_cunt.gif)

>>136402

>still humming and ready to blow shit up

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8f5192  No.152421

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d5eb3b  No.152424

>>152421

for shits sake man, can't you CONTRIBUTE something rather than just bumping it? I get so excited and then I see 'bump'

>>136185

It is on my list.

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aa7005  No.152861

>>134102

What about the two-men unit? Found it pretty decent.

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c4ce52  No.156208

We should talk about alternatives to hierarchy.

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4715d0  No.156300

>>156208

About time someone else said this!

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5f0ce1  No.156352

>>156208

>>156300

Hierarchy is natural, you fucking kikes. We’re not falling for your bullshit.

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4715d0  No.156396

>>156352

>Hierarchy is natural

explain yourself.

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5f0ce1  No.156406

>>156396

>what is the food chain

>what is natural law

>what is every flocking species’ social order

>what is every pre-jewish human social system ever created

Get the fuck out of here.

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4715d0  No.156418

File: 4873a2e80f32fab⋯.jpg (787.21 KB, 2180x1382, 1090:691, debt_slaves_the_pyramid.jpg)

File: f6795f28d5abc82⋯.png (223.9 KB, 1280x960, 4:3, grahams_pyramid_of_argumen….png)

File: 632a91c1aaa1345⋯.jpg (102.74 KB, 960x768, 5:4, pyramid_of_energy_occult.jpg)

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>>156406

The food chain?

Really? That is not a 'hierarchy' it is predator prey relationships.

Natural Law? WTF does this have to do with hierarchy?

Flocking species? Who gives a fuck? Are we 'chickens now' anon?

No hierarchy is a uniquely Jewish social system and it is you who needs to fuck off because you are a spiritual kike, anon.

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5f0ce1  No.156421

>>156418

>The food chain? Really?

Yep. Run along now.

>That is not a 'hierarchy' it is predator prey relationships.

Literally what a hierarchy is.

>Natural Law? WTF does this have to do with hierarchy?

Lurk more.

>Flocking species? Who gives a fuck? Are we ‘chickens

Become literate in English. And lurk more.

>No hierarchy is a uniquely Jewish social system

Proven falsehood. You failed. Hierarchy is natural, you fucking kikes. We’re not falling for your bullshit.

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4715d0  No.156432

>>156421

You are the kike anon. Hierarchy is doomed and it doesn't even work. There is no such thing. All system form distributed networks of power. The fact that you are lobbying for something that is TOTALLY JEWISH really shows your kike nature.

Even in your globalist fantasy, there are going to be mobs and other competitors. Hierarchy is retarded.

It is the antithesis of natural law as well since there is never one isolated pyramid scheme (like you kikes have) that is a factor but rather a rich web of interconnected factors that have nothing to do with a hierarchical structure.

KIKE

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5f0ce1  No.156442

>>156432

>LOL U JEW CUZ U NO SUPPORT JEW THING

>THING THAT REAL NO REAL CUZ I SAY SO

You failed. Hierarchy is natural, you fucking kikes. We’re not falling for your bullshit.

>There is no such thing.

You’re brain damaged.

>All system form distributed networks of power.

So… hierarchies.

>Hierarchy is retarded.

We’re not falling for your bullshit.

>It is the antithesis of natural law

Proven falsehood.

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4715d0  No.156469

File: 6eeaca8a3ae47f4⋯.jpg (46.2 KB, 480x620, 24:31, pussy_gonna_make_you_retar….jpg)

>>156442

mfw distributed networks = hierarchies in a niggerkikes mind.

You are one dumb fucking nigger anon.

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972604  No.157669

>>152424

Had to save it from death, sorry. If this site is still here next year, I'll post my whitepaper that the OP inspired.

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5f0ce1  No.157678

>>156469

>oy vey goyim support communism

>egalitarianism good

>hierarchy and natural law bad

>just fucking do it already

>i keep spamming so why won’t you do it

>nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger

>YOU’RE A JEW BECAUSE YOU WON’T DO WHAT JEWS WANT

You failed. Hierarchy is natural, you fucking kikes. We’re not falling for your bullshit.

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972604  No.157679

File: 37ae5ad02e2795f⋯.jpg (203.84 KB, 1321x795, 1321:795, 1503113052604.jpg)

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