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One time I had to go to dentist to have multiple teeth taken out. They told me they'd put me "unconscious" and that I would feel and experience nothing. I was so scared I cried and I delayed the appointment several years. Finally after the appointment being set up again I somehow worked up the courage to just let them "put me under". I was terrified, fully expecting to die, and thinking my body would wake up but I would be gone and people would think the rebooted body was just old me when in reality I had perished into that great and horrible void called death. However when they injected me that did not happen. I remained fully conscious and had an out of body experience. There was no black-out, no void, no "unconsciousness". I didn't feel pain as they operated on me but I was fully aware, in fact, my awareness was far enhanced from normal. It was another blissful out of body experience. When they eventually finished operating on me and put the other meds that take me out of that so called state of "unconsciousness" I remember being fully aware as they instructed me about where to walk around and acted like I wouldn't remember any of the comments they made. I remember all of it and didn't experience even one second of unconsciousness. They told me that when this procedure is done on people all they remember is going "out" and then time seems to pass instantly and they're "awake" again. But I never experienced any disruption of the passage of time, never any unconsciousness, and even believed that if I had willed it I could have reversed the effects of the drugs they put into me and moved my arms and got off the table they were operating me on.

Another time I was in a chokehold while doing Judo. I didn't tap out and eventually the guy managed to choke me out. When this happened I heard this sound that you can actually hear in a scene in The Matrix that sounds like a kind of artificial teleportation sound. You hear it in that scene around when Neo is first unplugged. I bet if I knew what to search for this is probably some kind of documented medical phenomena where you hear that weird teleportation sound when getting choked out. Anyways my body fell limp to the floor and I remained conscious and "fell out of my body". Then after a bit my body rebooted and had these spasms and stuff and I had this experience of being "sucked back into my body". For about a minute I could not control my muscles and could not hear anything around me though I could see lips moving of the dude who choked me out. Then I got back up and continued randori like nothing happened.

All this just makes everything even more complicated for me. I have deep suspicions that there are organic robots (spiritless humans or NPCs as everyone is calling them now) around us. I've been privy to all manner of theories about this phenomena and I have some speculations of my own that I hold to. It would explain the discrepancies in my experiences vs that of others. I never experience unconsciousness, timelapses, a void, or anything like that. Maybe there is a medical explanation for this? Maybe my nervous system just won't turn off or something? I don't know. I also wonder if there's any medical reports of seeing no nervous activity or signs of life in a person but when the person comes back they report various forms of cognition continuing during that period? I think a materialist would explain it with "the moment they come back the brain goes into hyperdrive and fills in the missing hours" or some shit like that, to keep me still in doubt whether I really have a soul.

All my experiential evidence is that yes I do have a soul and it can separate and act apart from the body. I still don't feel absolutely certain about this and I also wonder how fast my soul might wither without a body to be connected to, to sustain it.

I want to come to some actual conclusions about this. Conclusions that are definitive and leave no doubt in me as to what death really is. The unknown is and always will be the source of fear for me and when I can banish the unknown I can live free of this terror that death holds over me. Also once I have conquered death than I can do my duty to my race to the fullest and die with grace at the appropriate time, not clinging to a miserable life as my body decays, like some old boomer who ends up dying in a hospital bed shitting himself. I want to have the courage to do something like hand my farm/household/business/possessions over to my most worthy son and make him promise to carry on the legacy before I go out in the woods with a shotgun to make the ancient Stoics like Seneca proud.

Also if any Christians going to repeat to me the whole mantra about salvation and blah blah I'm just going to say it does absolutely nothing for me. I got deep into the Christian religion and learned the doctrines inside and out and it was pretty cool it had a lot of wisdom but it did absolutely nothing to comfort me about death and I don't believe the sacrifice of a god or a human or anything at all can atone for anything and I find the idea that you go to a place called Hell very optimistic so much so that I will be overjoyed to find myself in a hell suffering for eternity if it means I get to experience something rather than nothing. To me eternal suffering is better than eternal nothing. Of course Eternal Bliss is probably better than Eternal Suffering but even better would be something that doesn't reek of a highly constrained limited static state, something more along the lines of "Eternal Life", aka getting to go on living and growing in some way. The Bible does appear to promise exactly that but here's the big issue with all this; the standard response from the majority of Christians it to "take it on faith" or to "take it on faith with a good dose of reason and evidence to back up that faith too". Yet both responses are inadequate. I want an actual knowledge, a certainty; about the soul, about death, and about my fate… and I don't know how to attain that. I've prayed for it, I've studied for it, I've tried quite a few things. I feel like there's got to be some secret knowledge out there that proves what really happens when you die. Maybe some medical evidence, maybe a black ops government program where they actually managed to transfer souls from one body to another, or resurrect the dead. Speaking of resurrecting the dead there was one book where I read about something like that but the guy mentioned he can do it on those who are medically dead, even for quite awhile, but not once decay has set in. I think the only record I can think of someone resurrecting someone who was dead and whose body had already been decaying is Jesus in the Bible. The Bible also says something like "you will go on to do all these things and more in my name" doesn't it? So maybe there's some Christian adepts out there that can show me power over death. As far as I'm concerned giving up absolutely everything I have for this, not even the power of it though I wouldn't mind that, but just to witness it and be absolutely sure it was real and to wear some memento of the event around my neck for the rest of my life that I can touch and feel and know it was not put a dream but an actual thing that happened… it is the most I could ask for!

what?

there is no soul. the "soul" is just the biofeedback and communication between our different kinds of cells and bacteria.

>>121154

>fear of death

Irrational. When you’re dead, you’re gone forever and will never feel anything again. You are also guaranteed to die. There is nothing you can do to stop it. There’s no point thinking about it.

>fear of dying

That, on the other hand, is healthy. You must work to ensure the act of you dying is as clean as possible. Prolonging your physical suffering means prolonging your mental suffering.

>in Minecraft when the creepers get out of hand?

Grow a fucking spine, you goddamn pussy. You’re afraid to even say WORDS.

>the result could be me forgetting everything I ever learned in this life and ending up in a lower state of consciousness or reincarnated in a state of ignorance.

Reincarnation is a proven falsehood. Either the soul lasts forever and is rewarded/punished based on adherence to natural law, or you’re gone forever and existence itself is all meaningless. There aren’t any other options to worry about.

>the only hope I have pertaining to memories is they actually appear to be non-physical

They’re physical. Memory loss is the worst thing a rational brain can experience. It’s most often permanent. Source: my life, ruined due to memory loss

>They told me they'd put me "unconscious" and that I would feel and experience nothing. I was so scared I cried and I delayed the appointment several years.

You realize that happens every night, right?

>I didn't feel pain as they operated on me but I was fully aware

Very interesting. There’s a name for that effect; I forget what it is. I think it’s just a genetic response to certain anesthetics, where they don’t properly work on a person.

>I have deep suspicions that there are organic robots (spiritless humans or NPCs as everyone is calling them now) around us.

Nah, that’s just jewish brainwashing.

>I also wonder if there's any medical reports of seeing no nervous activity or signs of life in a person but when the person comes back they report various forms of cognition continuing during that period?

You might want to read John Locke’s work on the continuity of consciousness. And also this.

https://archive.is/Ito0y

Finally, if you’re genuinely interested in the physical side of things–extending human lifespan–look into biogerontology. It’s a group of modern scientists–all PhDs, all legitimate folks–who are fairly confident we could have biological immortality in our lifetimes if we forced people to legally redefine aging as a disease and actually had the funding to research the treatments they’ve developed.

https://www.sens.org/our-research/intro-to-sens-research/

>I find the idea that you go to a place called Hell very optimistic so much so that I will be overjoyed to find myself in a hell suffering for eternity if it means I get to experience something rather than nothing.

Be careful what you wish for.

>something that doesn't reek of a highly constrained limited static state

Sounds more like you don’t know what the system of laws Christianity lays down is intended to do–but so many have been lied to about that these days; it’s not surprising.

>I want an actual knowledge, a certainty; about the soul

You will never have this. No one ever will. It’s an inherent limitation of a finite being. It is beyond our comprehension, ironically, for all eternity. So many different fields of study–both religious and scientifically neurological–through the millennia have said the same thing about there being “something more than the physical” or at least “greater than the sum of its parts” regarding what is varyingly called the soul. That in itself is cause to keep the topic from being automatically dismissed. But think about the implication. If we assume the soul is infinite, it’s not something we can ever understand with certainty. Assume, even, that your body is made to be biologically immortal. Eventually you’ll outlive your brain’s capacity for storage. There simply will not be room, within the physical structure of the UNIVERSE–not even just your neurons–to store more information in that size of package. Eventually the data storage required will mean that the amount of physical space dedicated to just your “memory” will have to grow faster than the speed of light. There’s a hard limitation to anything finite, but the soul is infinite.

It’s late. I’ll wrap up with a restatement of my first comment: Fear of death is utterly irrational. You’re either gone forever (so it doesn’t matter) or you’re not (so you’ll have wanted to be objectively good). I’ll remind you of Pascal’s Wager. Fear of dying is natural. Anyone without one is a psychopath. You gain the courage to face death–and to ignore the fear of dying in the moment–by understanding and focusing on your duty as an individual to that which is larger than you. Family, race, God, truth itself. Whatever actually matters to you, and–this is important–which is objectively correct. Otherwise you’ll always feel those niggles in the back of your mind making you doubt your actions.

>>121172

>lol soul no real goy

How droll. Go wallow in nihilism somewhere else.

>>121156

> I got deep into the Christian religion and learned the doctrines inside and out and it was pretty cool it had a lot of wisdom but it did absolutely nothing to comfort me about death

I read a menu at a pizza parlor once when I was starving. I didn't actually EAT any pizza, thus I don't believe in Pizza as a nutrition item.

Just ask God to give you wisdom to help you know for certain that Jesus is the Son of God and died to save you from your sins. He promises in his Word to give wisdom to ANY man who asks, so it's a win-win.

The actual step of faith is to specifically ask Jesus Christ to be your own, personal savior. THAT is a step of faith you need to take. You have nothing to lose. He is the son of God, and he takes you, and makes you one of his children, or he doesn't exist and he does not.

The best way to learn more about Jesus Christ is to read the gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. Heck, just flip through and finger-stab random passages, asking God for help.

Faith comes by hearing God's Word. If all you have heard is reasoning from Christians, you may not have much to go on.

Mark 15:39  And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God.

Jesus had a longer-lasting out-of-body experience than you in that he became sin, died and went to hell while his body remained here.

Acts 4:10  Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.

Jesus:

Rev 1:17b Fear not; I am the first and the last: 

Rev 1:18  I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. 

God will reveal himself to one who really, truly, wants right, good, and truth.

But, to ignore the Bible and ask God for more knowledge of him is like dropping into a Goblin parasite fighter in the belly of a bomber, dropping into the sky, and then saying "I can't be arsed to read the instruction manual."

You will end up with as much of God as you want. The key is to want God, not want him to fit a version that you want him to fit.

PS, nobody who has died resides in a limbo in eternity. It's heaven or the lake of fire. There is no middle ground.

Become Catholic, hardcore repentant, traditional Saint-like Catholic.

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>>121156

I don't know if your beliefs on reincarnation are true, but it's obvious that you are living in paralysing fear because of them. Is that really living? Do you think the universe will see this life and reward it with another?

This life is worth very little. The worst case has already happened. We are conquered soldiers. Our civilisations, which took thousands of years to build, are being consumed by parasites and things worse than animals while we look on. Now our lives are worth only what we can do with them.

If you can't see this, you shouldn't be so quick to call others robots.

The test of a human is whether they can elevate their own thoughts above animal instincts like hunger or the fear of death.

Your obsessive navel gazing has not served you well.

>>121288

>thrown off cliffs by Spartans

So you only believe in dysgenics?

>>121154

you are distressed in part because you think of yourself as a mind, a soul, or a body. When really you are all three. Your soul reincarnates, your mind and body deteriorate, but your soul has a memory all of its own and keeps whatever patterns of the mind or body that it wishes to. If you care for your body, mind, and soul then you will have a better time in the next life.

Real shit begins now:

When your brain dies, the chemical DMT is released, then every neuron fires over and over as rapidly as it can. As a sensation, this feels like eternity with only yourself and your memories. If you take the time to reconcile all your bad memories and try to keep good ones, the experience can be described accurately as heaven. If you are bitter and regretful, it is hell. The most important thing to avoid hell is to be honest with yourself about the moral results of your actions and to try and live in the most moral way possible. Decide for yourself what morality is, and never stop refining that understanding. Then, you will die at the peak of your moral development in this life, and your soul will have no regrets. As all of your neurons fire themselves out, your soul is recording the mind that exists within your brain, discarding that which you consider useless. As your body decomposes, the parts of you that ARE the body distribute themselves among the ecosystem, and your locus of consciousness can go with them, if this happens then you will likely reincarnate as a plant when your soul gets sucked into whatever particle your consciousness decides to stick with, or if you manage to understand within your lifetime that the soul is immortal and cannot be trapped or stopped you can decide how long to stay unborn and when/who to be born into.

Oh, also the big bang was the God that made this universe dying and his imagination becoming real, just like yours will during death. Stars are god-level entities that make universes like ours when they die. If you get spiritually swole enough, the universe made in your head will last beyond this life, and you may even reincarnate into it, or others could. This is why gnostics go on about the Demiurge, they mean Sol, literally the sun, the god that exerts control over our lives but was not the god that created us.

>>121280

pure projection. go outside and realize there's no enemy anywhere "soldier", we're just people living on this planet, some of us hurt the others because we haven't matured enough yet, but if you truly don't fear death or hunger than why are you whining about the loss of the illusion of civilization?

>>121174

>When you’re dead, you’re gone forever and will never feel anything again.

I'd rather suffer in torment and pain forever than that.

>>121156

>I feel like there's got to be some secret knowledge out there that proves what really happens when you die.

There is no secret knowledge. You say you've gotten deep into the Christian religion, but what gives us Christians that absolute conviction about death and the hereafter is not the religion, it is forming that deep connection with God through His Son, Jesus Christ. This is not something you can gain by works, by deeds. The Gnostics tried for centuries, and they are still around and trying to gain that understanding, that glimpse into the veil beyond the physical, but they failed then and they are still failing. It is because they fixated so much on the idea that there is this secret Gnosis, knowledge, that they are missing and that they just need to concentrate and study more to understand it.

Jesus Christ said there is no way to the Father except through Him, Jesus Christ. You can't study your way to heaven, you can't good-deeds your way to heaven, you can't pray your way to heaven. You can only place your faith in Jesus Christ, confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord, and believe that He was indeed, and historically, resurrected from the dead. In fact, it is that resurrection that is the very cornerstone of the Christian faith: without the resurrection, we Christians would all be fools because everything we have done would be meaningless. Everything we do and believe in rests on the resurrection of Jesus Christ, because that resurrection is a sign of the promise that God made to us - that through redemption in Jesus Christ, we will be given resurrection. That sign gives us hope, and hope is the essence of faith.

We live in a very dark, hostile and uncertain world, but out of the darkness there comes light. That light is hope, and it gives us comfort and conviction.

>>121174

>It’s most often permanent. Source: my life, ruined due to memory loss

Even here you note that it isn't always permanent which means memories can be "lost" and then "recovered" which means the brain accesses memories doesn't store. There is no physical storage of memories.

>>121174

>You realize that happens every night, right?

I never go unconscious during the night. I think that only happens to NPCs.

>>121174

>Be careful what you wish for.

Infinite suffering is preferable to infinite nothing. Infinitie bliss is preferable to infinite suffering. Infinite live is preferable to infinite bliss.

>>121432

again, go outside. The pandemic isn't as bad as you believe, and neither are the riots.

when it comes to the dmt, use google.

>>121630

>You essentially create a programmed tulpa that tells you what to do inside your head, when in reality its your own inner voice.

Inner voices do not have the power to completely transform lives for the better or to override the normal human tendency toward sin. An inner voice cannot transform one's inner nature, because an inner voice is an extension of that inner nature. And my faith is not reinforced by an inner voice, but by the fact that I have experienced firsthand the Christian God's intervention in my life on multiple occasions. An inner voice cannot alter the external reality in such a way.

>>121630

>so hard for Christians like refusal to masturbate for example

Sexuality has been so thoroughly satanically inverted and amplified by technology that the temptation to commit sexual deviancy is on a level unlike anything else ever seen in history. In normal, functioning societies, you as a man would take a wife before your sex drive became too much to endure. Sex in and out of itself is not a sin, but becomes a sin when it is done outside the context of matrimony, because this defiles the purpose of sex, which is to maximize the formation of families and pair-bonding that builds strong, moral communities.

Masturbation is difficult to refuse because you are meant to have sex! But again, unlike historical societies, ours has inverted sexuality to the point that marriage is demonized and sexual abuse is normalized. Not only are you discouraged from taking a wife at a reasonable age which would of course solve the issue of lust altogether, you are also constantly hammered by never-ending streams of propaganda that tell you that you need to have sex, that inceldom is a fate worse than death, and you are bombarded with titillating images of nubile, young women to whom standard which even the average everyday women in your town do not even come close to approximating. If you're on 8kun, chances are you were exposed to a lot of that before you even started puberty. There is a full-blown demonic assault on sexuality, and it is meant to twist and pervert you, and turn you into an addict always seeking the next hit.

Read The Bhagavad Gita, at least the first 2 chapters that deal with this.

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>>121154

You will always be afraid, it's normal. What counts is whether you can overcome your fear in the face of an enemy and defend your kin, hearth and home. All men, who are not cowards, reach a point where the will to defend their loved ones, and therefore their lineage, is greater than the will to survive as a mere individual.

>>121373

Jesus christ the level of retardedness in the post. You probably think using psychedelics is achieving ego-death and true consciousnesses. Joe Rogan fucked up average intellects. I would bet everything I own you think "being deep" is the same as getting high.

Worse than TV watchers.

Molyneux must have seen my thread because he just came out with this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUQL2IdZ2gQ&list=PLMNj_r5bccUyXJLUDRykf9sX3Yc_vHBQD

>>121288

I believe that babies and even young children don't have spirit incarnate in them. They're automatons until they develop to a stage where they become truly conscious / awareness enters into them.

I'd be more concerned about those who were in fact sentient and were progressing through life until some injustice brought it to and end prematurely.

>>121172

>the "soul" is just the biofeedback and communication between our different kinds of cells and bacteria.

Strange how that bacteria and cells dies all the time and you don't wink out of existence.

>>121174

>Sounds more like you don’t know what the system of laws Christianity lays down is intended to do–but so many have been lied to about that these days; it’s not surprising.

I was talking about mental stasis not a legal system.

>Eventually you’ll outlive your brain’s capacity for storage.

Do you even know how the brain works or how holographic memory works?

>>121177

>Just ask God to give you wisdom to help you know for certain that Jesus is the Son of God and died to save you from your sins. He promises in his Word to give wisdom to ANY man who asks, so it's a win-win.

Did exactly that about a thousand times in the last year. God isn't giving me any certainty.

>>121177

>The best way to learn more about Jesus Christ is to read the gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. Heck, just flip through and finger-stab random passages, asking God for help.

Already read the KJV cover-to-cover multiple times and certain parts of the New Testament in excess of 10 times especially for books like Ephesians.

>The key is to want God, not want him to fit a version that you want him to fit.

I literally just want the omnipotent, omniscient, god to reveal himself to me. Whether that's one described in Christianity or not. I don't want to fit him into anything I want the actual truth whatever that happens to be.

>PS, nobody who has died resides in a limbo in eternity. It's heaven or the lake of fire. There is no middle ground.

I've read an interpretation of the lake of fire that it's the purging of the memories and so on of life followed by reincarnation back into the world.

The only fear I have that is intolerable is limbo. If I found out for sure that limbo was what awaited me the only solution I'd have less is to abandon reason and go absolutely badshit insane as much as I can for that would be too much for me.

Heaven and hell don't scare me at all. I naturally prefer whatever outcome is the best of the given options but I could literally see myself being filled with joy at dying and finding myself in hell, praising God that at least he provided a hell for me.

>>121217

Everything I've ever learned about Catholicism just disgusts me and makes me think it's the worst form of Christianity. I prefer something more along the lines of Calvinist Protestant / Dutch Reform.

>>121250

>Research of Taoism, Buddhism and Stoicism when you get the chance

Already have read all of these, especially a lot of Stoicism.

> by the way this world works the struggle will just continue there, and you won't leave any experience for us before going into more complex and harsher environment.

What about all my writings though and interactions with people in this world? That gets left behind. Also I don't mind advancing to a new level of greater struggle. This just gets me hyped.

>>121155

you should make sure to take your lithium

>>121367

I am well aware of the three parts or spirit, soul, and body.

The distinctions between spirit (other than it is the essential self, the common thread of awareness that connects through each moment, and through which so many thoughts and memories pass through) and the soul (mind, the personality and memories and so on) are hard for me to discern though. Evidently even though spirit is identified with the Absolute, the Unchanging (all the god attributes) something changes in the spirit for it be in tied to a specific mind-body complex at a given time.

> As a sensation, this feels like eternity with only yourself and your memories.

Sounds like the bullshit the dentists and others told me about what anesthesia would do. I bet the actual experience of using DMT is not like that. Maybe it feels like a really long time but to call it eternity that is surely bullshit.

>>121373

>lets just be reduced to unreasoning feral animals that shit everywhere and rape yeah that's a great idea

>>121489

>The Gnostics tried for centuries, and they are still around and trying to gain that understanding, that glimpse into the veil beyond the physical, but they failed then and they are still failing.

How do you know that? Many gnostics report having succeeded.

Also I don't believe in works I believe in Wu Wei or effortless action and the passage in the Bible about the Vine and abiding in God.

>the rest of your post

Basically copypasta I've heard spewed out of the mouths of Christians a thousand times every everywhere.

I don't think spiritual understanding looks like making that confession or being passive or anything like that I think it involves actual learning and struggle that is supported by god. Through God we can do everything and without him nothing. It is not our works but The Work in action.

I suspect there's some way to attain a clear knowledge of the life beyond the body and of course that way will be through God but merely saying that alone isn't enough. The way has to find me.

>>121630

You are implying thoughtforms depend on the brain.

Read The Human Atmosphere by Walter J. Kilner and some of the standard /fringe/ suggestions like Mind Power: The Secret of Mental Magic by William Walker Atkinson.

I have some perrsonal experiential proof that thoughtforms can be transmitted over large distances, accurately, and without the other person having a clue what they are about to receive.

I don't know if they maybe reside into the electromagnetic sphere or entirely on a mental plane or some kind of combination of the two. I really doubt the idea that thoughtforms are just programs running on brain hardware. They are generated by the whole nervous system sure but I'd say they reside in the auric substance which itself emanates in all directions and clumps of which can break off when there is enough intensity behind it.

I haven't really worked on this stuff in years and I probably should get back into it if I can find people willing and capable to do it with me and I can sort my nervous issues out enough because even though I've done repeated experiments and got amazing successes I still want to push things further and see if for example maybe thoughtforms could be used to displace oneself out of their own body letting them take over while you can be free for an extended period of time to wander then. Of course I could be playing with fire here if I accidentally sever the "silver cord" and can't get back into my body and am left wandering some other plane of reality without access to all my notes, books, etc. on this one.

>>122720

>thoughtforms depend on the brain

Was proved back in rome when coliseum warriors who got brain damage lost some capacities of thinking straight. Do not even need to state science for that one.

>thoughtforms can be transmitted over large distances

You can manifest destiny around you if you're disciplined enough (like electronics conveniently breaking when your soul is distressed, or stubbing your toe when you were deluded by something), but i guess that happens because your disciplined body rejected your own distressed thoughts as a reflex, and you certainly can not transmit thoughts.

>>122708

>i already can tell it won't help you to be a church goer.

Until the quarantine shutdown I went to every single Church I can find and was basically in churches every day of the week.

>you can just stop being brainwashed by it any time.

It's logical though. I don't believe in free will though I do believe in agency. The universe is a systematic organized whole not built-up block by block out of a whole bunch of independent units but working top-down from one central axis.

Also I take Platonism very seriously and so to me The Good and so on is like these eternal realities we abide in.

As for that saving faith stuff. The Bible is literally full of examples of how anything can happen in front of someone and they won't believe and then there are those who just believe automatically without cause. This illustrates the power of God to give faith, where some like Doubting Thomas will have faith when he can touch, and others will never have faith no matter what, and others will have great faith without needing to see or touch. This is clearly not a matter of choice on our part, it is god's sovereign will.

Here are a couple of things outside of our hands (as far as I'm concerned):

1. Who were are born as and where and when. The Greeks always acknowledged this as strictly controlled by God.

2. Our inclinations. Yeah when presented with a choice we make a choice (agency) but which choice we'd make was due to our inclinations which were given to us.

That's why we need to be thankful to God if we are given the gift of wanting to know him, of not being entirely focused on worldly concerns, etc. It's a gift.

>>122728

>Was proved back in rome when coliseum warriors who got brain damage lost some capacities of thinking straight. Do not even need to state science for that one.

When you damage your radio do those radio waves stop existing?

Have you even bothered to read about the holographic brain and about brain damage and memory and the recovery of memory and mental faculties? Have you not heard of the experiments they did on mice where they removed significant portions of the brain? Have you not heard of neuroplasticity?

>You certainly can not transmit thoughts.

Large body of evidence throughout the ages that yes you can in fact do this. Check out Project Gateway in the CIA archives and also this https://sacred-texts.com/psi/mrad/index.htm

Should be enough to at least make you uncertain about this.

Fun fact, the bible mentions baptism for the dead or proxy baptism.

1 Corinthians 15

29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?

One of the few churches that believe in this is the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints "mormons". I won't waste your time with a long post, but if you are curious, read the book of Mormon, or Google search: "LDS preach my gospel" and read lesson 1 through 5

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>>122735

https://m.youtube.com/user/mormonLatvian/videos

Is there a Playlist for these?

a3oodhu billaahi min ashshayTaan irrajeem

allaahu laa ilaha illaa huwa

I've been reading through the Book of Mormon and also looking at the CES Letter. Seems Mormons today are pozzed and won't practice polygamy or keep niggers out.

>>121154

To those that fear death, ask yourself, is your existence any different from being dead?

>>123149

It surely is.

>>121156

You have no idea how much I relate to every last word of what you just said. Everything, especially the fear of anesthetic and the suffering is better than nothing mentality are thoughts that I've been having for my whole life. I don't have an answer to your problem, I am looking for it as well. I hope this thread goes somewhere.

>>121154

A man with children does not die, only the childless man does. You live on through your family. If you sacrifice yourself in their defense and for their well being you've performed the greatest deed an average man can ever hope to achieve.

>>123681

I'm not sure how and where to find ghosts in my area.

>>123874

I actually wonder sometimes if I have a child if I'll end up getting spirit siphoned into my firstborn child. Makes me determined to continue to shape myself into a virtuous man so that if I do end up in my child the programming I instilled in myself will result in a perfect father for me when my awareness is transferred.

>>123976

Why not just have one (or several) and grow together?

>>123976

>end up getting spirit siphoned into my firstborn child

I read somewhere that can never happen even according to whole reincarnation theory, that a child is his own being, just can't right now remember where. You cannot "siphon" into produce of your own sperm, it was produced when you were alive.

>>124074

Thats what you think until technology advances enough for me to transplant my brain into their body and live on at least until my brain melts into a puddle of dementia and psychosis.

>>124079

Hardly see the merit in doing that when theres examples of vietnamese farmers that live to over 100 simply by eating and living healthy. Sounds to me like just some conspiracy shit like celebrities ritualistically torturing children to death to harvest their endocrine or whatever the fuck.

>>121172

lol. dumbass. why are you even here. go back to playing videogames and learning about dinosaurs, the big bang and ancient empires on discovery channel.

>>122658

Yep, you have no comprehension of what’s being said. Eventually material storage requirements for information need to grow faster than the speed of light. It becomes physically impossible to store all data.