/philosophy/ - Philosophy

Are you thinking of doing something?

>>3601

what was we before birth?

>>3602

ive had two good friends commit and ive thought about it many times but quite curious as im pretty big on philosophy

>>3603

Nothingness.

>>3600

what is it with suicide fags and philosophy boards?

anyway, heres a personal favorite on the subject.

"When thou hast assumed these names, good, modest, true, rational, a man of equanimity, and magnanimous, take care that thou dost not change these names; and if thou shouldst lose them, quickly return to them. And remember that the term Rational was intended to signify a discriminating attention to every several thing and freedom from negligence; and that Equanimity is the voluntary acceptance of the things which are assigned to thee by the common nature; and that Magnanimity is the elevation of the intelligent part above the pleasurable or painful sensations of the flesh, and above that poor thing called fame, and death, and all such things. If, then, thou maintainest thyself in the possession of these names, without desiring to be called by these names by others, thou wilt be another person and wilt enter on another life. For to continue to be such as thou hast hitherto been, and to be tom in pieces and defiled in such a life, is the character of a very stupid man and one overfond of his life, and like those half-devoured fighters with wild beasts, who though covered with wounds and gore, still intreat to be kept to the following day, though they will be exposed in the same state to the same claws and bites. Therefore fix thyself in the possession of these few names: and if thou art able to abide in them, abide as if thou wast removed to certain islands of the Happy. But if thou shalt perceive that thou fallest out of them and dost not maintain thy hold, go courageously into some nook where thou shalt maintain them, or even depart at once from life, not in passion, but with simplicity and freedom and modesty, after doing this one laudable thing at least in thy life, to have gone out of it thus. In order, however, to the remembrance of these names, it will greatly help thee, if thou rememberest the gods, and that they wish not to be flattered, but wish all reasonable beings to be made like themselves; and if thou rememberest that what does the work of a fig-tree is a fig-tree, and that what does the work of a dog is a dog, and that what does the work of a bee is a bee, and that what does the work of a man is a man. "

This is from the diary of my boy Marcus Aurelius though, and isnt necessarily the stoic position on suicide. although as i understand it, the stoics were cool with suicide in certain scenarios.

>>3610

>Anime thinks it's heroic

No Japan thinks it's heroic. Largely due to their honor societyand the practice of Seppukku, making it heroic in their media also conveniently covers for the massive suicide rate they do have(for less noble reasons) and stops people calling for reform over it.

>>3600

Usually "consequences of suicide" for the individual spring from the belief in a rigid or knowable system as an afterlife. Generally in early views of (Western) philosophy ,such as Greek or Roman philosophers, we tend to see sympathy a lot more as although we tend to teach the pantheons of those eras as fairly rigid it's more true that they were a loose set of beliefs we've since placed into a hierarchy. Prior to the arrival of Christianity most Roman worship was performed at a household level and the rituals and names of the gods worshiped varied significantly. Later philosophy naturally becomes more and more harsh on suicide as Christianity became the dominant religion before relaxing again in the modern era as concepts such as atheism, nihilism and existentialism were increasingly talked about.

In organized religion(especially that which considers acts in life important) there's a tendency to have to clarify things into good and bad acts which become adopted as a moral code by the believers. Generally things we find upsetting, scary or squicky(theft, murder, incest) become the bad things and as suicide tends to fall into the category of "upsets people" it is lumped into the bad acts category of most religions.

>>3606

>When you die you cease to exist.

That would be a violation of the first law of thermodynamics.