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cbe8bf No.2691

Antinatalism. Do you know what it is, and what's your stance on it?

I don't think I'll be having any children due to the horrible state of the world.

I sometimes wish I was never born so I wouldn't have to face my death. This informs my stance.

cbe8bf No.2693

>>2691

I use to be like this, then i realized it doesn't matter. I want kids now because I'd be the most ballin daddy ever. Dialectics all day 'ery day.


cbe8bf No.2698

>>2691

>due to the horrible state of the world.

If you mean socio-politically, I agree. I also don't think I should have children since I'm weak and don't want to bring a shitty-gened child into this world. Reproduction for the strong, beautiful, and mentally healthy only pls. In that sense I'm a natalist, I suppose? Life rocks if you're built for it but if you're weak, physically or mentally it's a pain.


cbe8bf No.2699

>>2691

>due to the horrible state of the world.

If you mean socio-politically, I agree. I also don't think I should have children since I'm weak and don't want to bring a shitty-gened child into this world. Reproduction for the strong, beautiful, and mentally healthy only pls. In that sense I'm a natalist, I suppose? Life rocks if you're built for it but if you're weak, physically or mentally it's a pain.


cbe8bf No.2700

>>2699

thnx for the double post, 8chan


cbe8bf No.2709

Kids are brats and having them is a tradeoff. The moment I have one I won't be able to devote as much time for my own dreams. If I had one I would throw out the television/distractions and force them to engage in conversations two hours a day and study advanced stuff that's not required at school, except on Fridays, in an attempt to create a prodigy. Future helicopter parent here.


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cbe8bf No.2776

>>2691

Considering you're posting this, I'm going to assume you're in a developed country. In which case, that "horrible state" doesn't exist for you. Maybe if you were posting from the blood coast of Africa or choking on smog in Guangzhou, you might have grounds to not want to bring children into that existence.

But in a developed country, where you are (essentially) free to do as you like, never run out of food, water, heat, etc. Have access to world-class medical care, a near-infinite stream of entertainment or intellectual stimuli, and transportation that can take you anywhere in the world in a day;

You really have nothing to complain about. Especially when past generations were undeterred by comparatively squalid conditions, hunting/farming for subsistence, had extremely short life expectancy, and never got respite from the threat of death or injury. You know why it never mattered to them? Because a wise man needs nothing more for happiness than his bonds with his fellows, and his intrinsic connection with nature.

Take a walk in the woods, and really think about everything that is going on around you. You are sitting on a revolving metal-silicate orb with a thin halo of air, water, and organic chemistry, protected by it's life-giver, the sun, by a electro-magnetic shield powered by the revolution of molten metals in the core, and stabilized by a second, smaller body of metals and minerals in perpetual orbit around it.

That thin halo has fostered, over the 4 billion years of it's history, an ever-evolving and diversifying population of life-forms, which are so joyously populous that they've turned the visible crust of the earth green with their figures. You are walking among a small community of those beings, a microcosm of perpetual life and death, decay and renewal, always full of activity but seemingly calm and still.

Why wouldn't you want to bring new people into this world to experience it?


cbe8bf No.2780

>>2776

>1st world

>essentially free

Not even the rich and powerful are free in today's world. Desire never ends, one must accumulate more capital forever.


cbe8bf No.2786

>>2776

>You really have nothing to complain about.

I complain I was not born in in a later time. Two hundred years ago some one would have said locomotives and tea are wonderful. You have nothing to complain about.


cbe8bf No.2792

>>2776

>>2776

Do you think the first world is inherently safe?

Do you really think these conditions will last forever?

I don't. I take this into account for the many future generations I may be responsible for by having children.

America can very well become like Africa or China in the next say 200 years.


cbe8bf No.2809

>>2780

You aren't free because you're greedy? Friend, freedom is a measure of your ability to choose, not a measure of your variety in choice.

When people decide wealth is their priority, it doesn't restrict their freedom. Rather, it proves their freedom because they have the ability to prioritize anything else, as well.


cbe8bf No.2813

>>2809

No, you aren't free because you have not self-determined those aims and desires.


cbe8bf No.2819

>>2776

Reminder that people as stupid as this poster are running things.


cbe8bf No.2867

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>>2776

>Mfw I'm a laissez-faire capitalist and still not half as materialistic as this guy


cbe8bf No.2868

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>>2776

>You really have nothing to complain about.


cbe8bf No.2869

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>>2867

>I'm a laissez-faire capitalist


cbe8bf No.2877

>>2813

How do you know?

You're assuming that the accumulation of wealth IS the motive of people in the first world. They could behave in the same way for some other reason, perhaps to form a legacy.

There's still choice in what motivates you.


cbe8bf No.2880

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>>2877

Indeed why not be motivated by the desire to learn more? Or to have loved more? In the future society will be founded upon love and supported by socialism + automation.


cbe8bf No.2881

>>2880

Fine as long as people have the freedom to choose.




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