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c5f5ba No.2013

The Seduction of Unreason:The Intellectual Romance with Fascism from Nietzsche to Postmodernism

http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/i7705.html

what do you think /philosophy/? it was a pretty good read.

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c5f5ba No.2017

well considering how Nietzsche had absolutely nothing to do with fascism i didnt bother reading it


c5f5ba No.2023

>>2017

Except for the part where Nietzsche heavily influenced Fascist thinkers?


c5f5ba No.2026

>>2023

I think he's commenting on the title's clumsiness; how Nietzsche preceded all Fascist thinkers and activists, and thus could not have had an "intellectual romance with" it.


c5f5ba No.2048

>>2023

And they grossly misinterpreted him.


c5f5ba No.2058

>>2048

>ubermensch are beyond normal morality

yep that doesnt sound nazish at all


c5f5ba No.2491

>>2058

They tried to make being an übermensch about race. Not about being an individual superman.


c5f5ba No.2493

>>2491

To be fair, that was more of a nazi thing. Most other fascists weren't too big into race.


c5f5ba No.2502

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>>2058

The way I see it, if one sees wisdom in a philosophy, but could possibly have encouraged national socialism, then the response should not be "into the trash the former goes" but should encourage you to reevaluate the latter

>>2048

>>2491

>>2493

It's sort of up in the air due to two points:

1) People often point out that Nietzsche had critiqued German nationalism (he lived during the Second Reich), but also envisioned a "new European man". It's not ridiculous to postulate that he merely had misgivings about the German nationalism of that period, which sought simply to extract loyalty towards crown and state (he did make negative comments about the state) without any real transformative and transcendental goal. National socialism, however, really did put a millenarian palingenesis forth as its raison d'etre, and though it did put Germans first, envisioned a new European order on radical new foundations.

2) People also point out that there were brief lines in which Nietzsche critiqued the anti-Semitism of his day. However, Hitler also critiqued prevailing anti-Semitism early in Mein Kampf. He rebuked those who merely envied the seeming overrepresentation of Jews among the high and successful, as well as those who hated Jews because they were the "killers of Christ" and thus were enemies of "Europe as Christendom". But the third anti-Semitism which Hitler fell in with, which was really only coming in to its own during the early 20th century after Nietzsche's death, was this new view of Jews as a parasitic and corrupting faction who were distorting the self-expression of Germans and Europeans as a people.

National socialists certainly don't have a slam dunk argument if they contend that they are the only manifestation of Nietzschean thought intellectually conceivable. Yet I think it's also hasty to say that they "grossly misinterpreted him".


c5f5ba No.2515

Nietzsche hated Germany, hated imperialism and hated antisemitism.

Stormtroopers expropriated his shit because he talked so much about muh degeneracy and authoritarian undertones.

He didn't even mean degeneracy in the way they use it. He was criticizing life-denying Christian morality.

This is why so many say he was one of the most misunderstood philosophers of our time.

Read Ecce Homo or get it on audio. It's in the public domain.


c5f5ba No.2527

>>2515

>He didn't even mean degeneracy in the way they use it. He was criticizing life-denying Christian morality.

I'm assuming by "they" you mean posters on /pol/. But if you mean the original natsocs, then I recommend you read through this medium length Goebbels speech, "More Morality, Less Moralism":

http://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/goeb60.htm


c5f5ba No.2532

>>2527

>true morality

>modern cultural state (Germany)

>women's rights as anything but a power grab

Nietzsche would be so pissed

>Primitiveness and absolute rejection of pleasure are the only character values to these people. If one has a clean and a dirty collar, one puts the dirty one on to give evidence of his hatred of bourgeois values. A man with a good and a bad suit wears the bad one, particularly for festive occasions, for it shows the astonished world how revolutionary his outlook is. He dislikes joy and laughter; people should have nothing to laugh about.

This could have come directly from Nietzsche. I see your point.

I know much about Nietzsche's philosophy and little about Nazi philosophy. Thanks for sharing.


c5f5ba No.2539

>>2527

Goebbels and Nietzsche may have argued for the same goals, but their motives for doing so were different.

In his speech, Goebbels is scapegoating the old and people of the church. He also mentions the economic incentives of nihilistic consumerism. He's appealing to the young while aligning their values with those of the state, among them being productivity, health and loyalty to national socialist ideology.

Nietzsche was a reactionary but by no means a fascist. He glorified the ancient Greeks and Romans for what he perceived as their promotion of life-affirming values - their master morality. He wanted a revolution, a "transvaluation of values," to reestablish the status of western society prior to Christianity.




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