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e0539c No.1535

I know most of you here are lazy fucks, and philosophers historically have shown they are absolutely lazy when it comes to dealing with Hegel.

I'm no expert on Hegel, but I'm fascinated by his philosophic project (whatever that is according to who is interpreting). I'd like to have a discussion thread for thoughts/questions concerning Hegelianism.

Recently I came upon a new interpretation of Hegel by James Kreines on accident through google.

http://www.claremontmckenna.edu/pages/faculty/jkreines/default.htm

I think that the language of his papers is about as clear as you're going to get in a discussion of Hegel. This isn't full of the usual random verbosity and mystifying claims of "dialectics". I've read all but one of the papers Kreines has put up. It'd be great if others would read them and discuss.

tl;dr: Hegelianism discussion and question thread.

e0539c No.1630

1. What's a good intro text on Hegel?


e0539c No.1631

>>1630

There isn't one.

https://deontologistics.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/in-what-sense-does-consciousness-provide-its-own-criterion-short-version.pdf

A really short and dense essay on half of what the Phenomenology of Spirit is about. It's a meta-epistemology.

http://www.claremontmckenna.edu/pages/faculty/jkreines/metaphilosophy_copy%281%29.htm

An essay on Hegel's main driving principle in the Logic of Science.

The only thing that could help you in reading Hegel as such is a Hegelese to English dictionary. Michael Inwood: Hegel Dictionary is the only one I know, but I haven't used any such dictionary. I've mainly picked up my understanding through reading various sources I can't even count nor remember.

Some people advise that one should read Hegel's lectures on the history of philosophy. I think they're quite readable minus some specific technical terms like the Idea/Notion which Hegel mentions once in a while.


e0539c No.1632

are you into politics, OP?

psychoanalysis?


e0539c No.1633

>>1632

Yes. I'm a communist in goal.

Social psychoanalysis is really interesting, but currently more interested in the individual aspects.


e0539c No.2356

OP, an update post explaining for anyone interested.

Dialectic is not a formula. The products of dialectics cannot be given before dialectical treatment of a subject matter itself is gone through. Dialectic is not a set of presupposed or assumed axiomatic laws about reality or thought. Dialectic is literally what it says: sustained analytic dialogue within a subject; dialogue of a peculiar kind for it is not a dialogue between persons. To state it more clearly: dialectic is the relentless analysis and critique of concepts only according to the content of the concepts themselves in a long running internal dialogue in the content of the concept. The relentless analysis of concepts happens to show that no concept has meaning on its own, its content includes its other, its dialectical opposite. This unity of opposites is not a law of dialectic itself, it is a provable result of dialectic carried out. Dialectic happens to show that all concepts will break down under relentless analysis and find themselves groundless in-themselves, finding the resolution of their failures in other concepts which themselves will eventually fall. The negation of the negation happens to be true for every concept you can conceive from apples to gender. All ideas are incapable of standing on their own and either dissolve in skepticism or find themselves as a specific rule to another concept.

Hegel’s dialectic was the analysis of pure concepts, his Logic focusing on ultimately the analysis of what a concept is in-itself, and culminating in an Absolute Idea, an ontological concept whose content is the entire Logic which provides the concept of what it means to be absolute. Being leads to Nothing because the content of Being is Nothing. Nothing leads to Being because Nothing is not. Being finds itself Becoming Nothing, and Nothing Becoming Being. Becoming is the higher concept which contains what appeared to be a logical contradiction of two opposite concepts being each other’s content, i.e. Becoming is the sublation of Being and Nothing, the concept which contains them and is itself more than they are yet maintains Being and Nothing as its real content. This simple analysis is a dialectical analysis carried out. This process of analysis is dialectics. Being and Nothing are dialectically related because each necessarily contains the other in their own content, just as capitalist and worker contain each other in the content of their concept.


e0539c No.2754

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Are there any practical/real life uses for Hegel's philosophy?


e0539c No.2755

>>1630

>intro text

>to an obscurantist circlejerk


e0539c No.2756

>>2754

Are there any practical/real life uses for history?


e0539c No.2766

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>>1633

>communist


e0539c No.2771

>>2754

Science. Hegel's philosophy is unique in that it takes nothing for granted and is bent on justifying all claims, even the so called obvious givens. Science in general gets stuck in long stretches from taking things to be given when they aren't and sometimes the proper movement ahead is to change the givens and rethink a whole framework. Hegel's philosophy is neither atomistic nor monistic, neither materialistic nor idealistic (wtf idealism means to Hegel is stranger than even Kant's idealism). Hegel's philosophy is really a pure process relational philosophy.

Realistically, Hegel is pure social science at it's 'hardest'.

>>2766

Come the revolution, it won't be a conspiracy that you'll be at the other end of my barrel.




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