/nofap/ - Fappers Anonymous

Maybe there is no reason for me

>>13118

You know, there is a big possibility that you could change your mindset if you would stop fapping for a longer time and do something productive in the process. PMO is destructive, it degrades your brain, your body and your mind. Of course you'd feel depressed and suicidal.

It's not up to me to decide whether you in the end you should kill yourself or not, but there is a chance you will just not be able to do it. Once you fail trying, you will start to regret all of your mistakes of the past and present, and you could just end up in a pitful mental, and, possibly physical state. You could even regret that your nofap have been not succesful and that everything could be better if you tried hard enough to destroy your addiction.

What I'm saying is that maybe you should change your worldview and try stoicism instead of pitful self-destructive hedonism before you think that you lived enough and experienced everything good that your life and you could offer yourself?

Ironically, just like any hedonist, it does not seems like you are living for yourself, you are living for the pleasure. Why not change that? It is not a late thing to do, as you are still alive.

Right now, just like always, the world degrades and goes to shit, and it dictates its flow to the living beings who are ignorant or unaware of that.

You can't change the world or your circumstances to make them easy to deal with, but you can change yourself into a better man that can deal with anything. Once you start doing that, you will start going in the flow opposite of the world's.

You seriously want to die without having these genuine feels? You are pretty damn well missing out on a lot now.

>>13120

What's wrong with living for the pleasure? It's the best thing I've known. There's a saying that goes a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. I have no insurance that I'll ever know anything better than porn, and my experiences over the last two years almost proved that. I had many streaks, none made me feel better, none made me realize that I have other better things to do. I need something to prove undeniably that the pleasure of porn is less than something I'll get if I quit. I'm searching the web for proof, I read that book that said it's like an itch I have to scratch, it's not real pleasure, I understand that, I don't care, I love scratching the itch. I read that it's a crutch, I know that, I read that it feels good to be in control, ok but it feels better to give in. Only thing is what you said: what if in the end, I'll feel bad for doing it now? This what if is weak, but is all I have

>>13121

Also, I wasn't suicidal before I tried to quit porn.

>>13121

There is no insurance or proof there that could tell you that, because this is a subjective matter. Especially because:

>I need something to prove undeniably that the pleasure of porn is less than something I'll get if I quit

I don't think that porn is not the most pleasurable thing you can find if you are inclined to receive pleasure so much.

It seems to me that the root of the evil here is that you one-dimensionaly crave for pleasure. Pleasure = reason to live, no pleasure at all = you start to feel suicidal. I don't mean to insult you, but such a way of living is no better than an animal's.

Nothing in nature could provide you witg better pleasure than unnatural porn. Thar's the sole purpose of it for non-porn makers: to pump you with raw pleasure, make you feel good with zero effort, trick your body systems into thinking that you worked hard to accomplish something so good, it something similar to get sleepy and comfy when you have pretended to eat when you actually have been starving for a week.

With porn, you will miss out on any good feeling but pleasure.

There is nothing I could suggest you to focus yourself on since you'd become depressed anyway, and, instead of crushing your weakness and forcing yourself to focus more you'd just go and relieve yourself from stress with porn.

Pleasure is disgusting, it's brain telling you that you are succesful as an animal and that you are doing good when you are actually not.

Being tricked by your brain all the time is not uncommon at all, OP, it's just that people are not even aware of being tricked. Brains, not the minds, is in control of many peoples' bodies AND their minds.

They think that "they" feel pleasure and it's not the brain making them feel pleasure because of the correct stimuli. They think that they are the brain without realizing their thoughts.

It's like a program runnning on hardware not being able to tell itself apart from the system.

You see, brain is a stupid thing that makes stupid things today because evolution, and you, as you are now,

YOU ARE JUST A TOOL FOR YOUR BRAIN TO GET PLEASURE

Like most other people that I prefer to call "normalniggers, you are not even a homo sapiens at this point, you are too far away from realizing the potential of your species. You are supposed to think by using your brain, but brain is the one who thinks by using you.

Since you somehow got your way into 8/nofap/, it means that your brain, AKA your "inner jew," started to lose its grip on the leashes that it got you in.

The only reliable but difficult method to change the way as things are is to become mindful and change your mindset entirely. I don't know if there is a guide for this parapsychology-tier activity and I won't be writing one, but I know for damn sure that this requires a lot of discipline, focus, time and an actual reason, set of thoughts or any other source of constant motivation that comes within yourself.

Think about it deeply. And I mean think about it. Analyze and deconstruct every part of your mind and your way of thought, ask yourself "why" a lot, do it without succumbing to any emotion that may appear.

Meditation sounds like a meme advice, but it can help, too.

It won't give your brain any pleasure at all, nothing will give your body even the half of pleasure that porn in its full potential could do. But when you'll be doubting if your brain is telling you the right things to do, you know how to start taking control over it and where are the instructions for this are protip: world wide web.

>>13118

When I read this I see a guy drooling into his lap with a VR headset smiling like an imbecile. The damage is done. You have convinced yourself that pleasure comes before anything else. I don't think anybody would be able to convince you to change your ways.

If your life needs to have endless pleasure without regard to the source, you're going to have a bad time.

>>13143

I need some drastic measures. I will do anything, if it means that in the end I will not want to watch porn again. Tell me and I'll do it. Of course, I won't be able to cut my genitals, but anything else is on the table.

I will sit in meditation for hours at a time, I will stop using my phone and my computer, I will stop listening to music, watching movies or any form of entertainment. I will only work, go to the gym, eat and sleep for as long as I can keep my urges away, which is about three weeks. I want to know if in the end I won't want porn.

I only have three weeks until my mind is gone again. I love porn. I still do even now, but I'm currently too spent to watch it. I need something that would make me hate porn in three weeks. Anything, I will do anything

>>13201

You're living in a loop. None of us has the power to make you hate pr0n, you want to waste yourself by looking at it endless ? By all means be my guest.

You claim you live for your family although you're not seeking for improvements, you're not here to achieve something. You come here and ask for a secret formula that will help you end one of your addiction until… I don't know until you're bored of traveling the world.

This won't happen. Either you chose to stop for a while and come back, either you chose to just give up and look at porn till you lost everything you once value, either you stop.

If you want an excuse, I'm not a purist and I don't think porn is so bad, even so I'm the new guy here. Once in a while, why the fuck not. If you feel like this is a good thing to do, if there isn't anything else for you that even remotely interest you, yeah just jack in and die. Reality won't improve by you fapping. But you'll get a chance if you don't fap so much.

>>13203

This world has given me so little, and when I choose to love something in my life, I am supposed to abandon it. I have no other passions, aspirations, I would love to be part of the pron industry, I would try to make it a safer space. But right now, I am thought to hate something I loved for many years. It's an old tug of war for me. I guess I can't go either way, I can't quit forever, I tried, and I can't just watch it all the time, so I am living in this loop

>>13204

Who the fuck tell you to abandon something you love ?

We're all here by choice if you want to be part of the pr0n industry go ahead and try. The sector is always offering new jobs ! Maybe you'll see what it all really is about and come back later at worst.

The only conflict here is on you. You had a streak of 41 days to realize what you could do with your time, what you could improve and learn more about yourself. If by the end of that you're still unhappy and convince this ain't for you, who the fuck keeps you on watch ?

You had 41 days so obviously you must have a little willpower, if you're convince this is the only way for you go ahead. If you're not looking for a job, trying to learn more stuff in various area, if you don't care about having a girlfriend and if you don't give a living batcrap about what other thinks of you just do it already.

Most of us are here because addiction, not passion. It's a fine line not to cross.

>>13205

I want to stop liking it. It's hard to explain, but maybe you're right, I don't really want to quit, it serves no purpose for me, it's just something that I think will help me.

>>13206

There you start thinking right. If you want to stop liking it so much, there must be a reason. It can take sometimes to find but I think you should give it a go.

Me, I am disgust at porn when I consider the people involve in this. Women are either crazy or damn stupid (or both), men are replecable tools, and the more degenerate it gets the more stupid it is.

But, as a fantasy, I like it. Although, right now, I don't want fantasy in my life. It is a sad, boring life but I don't want to sweeten it. I want to see how far it can lead me, I want to see if this gives me anything or not. Because like you, I don't really have anything important left to do.

https://youtu.be/SKwLz6aI3aU

How the fuck do I do this? I said to someone once that I know what meditation is, it's emptying the mind of thoughts, and he said it's more than that. I really want to know what I'm missing, why I can't judge straight and how I can employ this discretionary mind.

>>13206

What's been working for me: realizing the people who produce, act, and host porn hate me. They aren't doing this to improve my life and well being. They are doing it to socially engineer society towards hypersexualixation of culture, emasculation/distraction of males, and to distract women from motherhood/marriage.

The porn industry has explicitly stated they want to destroy classic masculinity and family oriented society. And for that they are my eternal enemy. Realizing this has made porn and fapping completely undesirable.

I'm approaching 30 days no PMO for the second time in 10 years and it has been easy since coming to this realization. I don't see myself ever relapsing again as long as I maintain this aversion to porn as an intentional destructive social engineering psyop.

>>13213

The porn industry is just cashing in on our desire. We were built to be promiscuous, if we limited to one partner the species would have probably died off. We are the problem not (((them))).

>>13118

If you want to remain hooked on a vice then go ahead. Just remember there is someone rubbing his hands while you fap.

>>13121

>>13118

you cannot ensure you will have anything else without porn… that is self defeating. you may not be able to guarantee it, i will concede that point. but you can guarantee nothing will change for the better if you continue on this path of pornography either. just try nofap, exercise, and be the best version of yourself you can be. i made progress to asking a woman out in 6 days of nofap recently. that was a first for me. you can do it bro.

>>13537

> I cant persuade myself to stop because if not porn what other women attention can I get?

Anon, have you though of hiring a prostitute, or maybe fucking traps? Perhaps jump on a mild cycle of roids and get girls or girls(male) with your body.

ANYTHING is better than masturbating to porn in a pool of self loathing and semen, literally nothing is more pathetic or disgusting.

>>13215

>The porn industry is just cashing in on our desire.

If it weren't for jews(or whatever, insert hated group here) in congress it would still be illegal. Don't act like they don't have a hand, this shit is literally pumped into people brains 24/7, TV, movies, music, people have traditionally been at the whim of the media and authority figures, they are just as complicit as human desire. But perhaps this is the way things must go in the age of consumerism and capital, the kali yuga dark age ect ect ect