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File: cbee20fd8051c15⋯.jpg (411.25 KB, 608x1484, 152:371, gayshit.jpg)

 No.95356

Is there still music with effort out there?

For the most part I'd say that music peaked as an art form, and became defined at it's best during the 17th century with composers. They put mathematical thought into the musical techniques they used to provide emotion, and focused on the art forms strengths. As opposed to other art forms which died early due to lack of innovation, and capitalization and commercialization of the industries.

Now music devolved into

>Dude this sounds good.

>Shit nigga you right.

>Alright let's play this in the background while we sing.

The closest I think it's come to in the modern day is electro but even electro died and has just become more Soundloud garbage.

Is there still a possibility of finding music like this in the modern era or is it all just dead and all that's left is listening to catchy music for the sake of it being catchy

 No.95360

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>>95356

Dude. Quit listening to top 40.

There's even baroque music still being written today.


 No.95361

>>95360

It's not just top 40 it's everything even underground music.


 No.95364

no computers have made the music too lazy sorry anon


 No.95367

>>95356

Do you know how much music is being produced now? A fuckton. Even in the seventh century, most of what was put out was junk that nobody remebers anymore. What's popular now may be bad, but there's piles of good stuff if you look hard enough. It may not all be classical, but tons of effort and thought was put in regardless. This mentality is so obnoxious and it doesn't seem like it'll die anytime soon.


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 No.95369

>>95367

>>95364

You missed the point of my post didn't you?


 No.95370

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 No.95378

It really depends – the "intellectual" music of today is rather self-indulgent/masturbatory (post-post-post-western art music, electroacoustic, free improvisation, reductionism, concrete, and so forth). But, if you have an ear for it, it's pretty good – just not something you will ever hear on the radio. Anyways; people generally loved hacks like Wagner, and that really shows that the average person does not hear the flaws you and I would, like how obnoxious and bombastic his compositions are. Like you said, if it sounds good to them, that's all that matters. As a side note: please don't use "mathematical" when describing western art music. It makes me think of an I-fucking-love-science Redditor listening to the 9th and thinking how "scientifically" perfect it is. That's missing the entire point; the 9th is supposed to convey rapture. Music =/= mechanical.


 No.95379

>>95356

>OP's pic

Niggers tongue my anus


 No.95380

>>95356

>lor the most part I'd say that music peaked as an art form, and became defined at it's best during the 17th century with composers

literally kill yourself


 No.95382

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>>95356

>For the most part I'd say that music peaked as an art form, and became defined at it's best during the 17th century with composers.

Jesus Christ right off the bat and its clear you have no idea what you're talking about. 1800s orchestras are a product of Gilded-Age excess that completely butchered the original compositions of many classical artists of the 1700s whose work was mainly influenced by Chamber Music and were originally written with minimalism in mind. Then in the 1900s as popular music took hold the classical music scene became overcrowded with soyboy academics that hold the golden age of orchestra with far too high regard. The best orchestral songs are not from the 17th century, but from the turn of the 19th century from the likes of Gershwin and Gustav Holst, in other words gestural music, where the composers didn't have sticks up their fucking asses and weren't butchering minimalist composers. OPs the worst type of brainlet who automatically hears Beethoven and thinks it must be smart in of itself because that's the consensus instead of actually forming his own opinions.

Music in terms of sophistication, production value, and mainstream appeal, peaked in the mid to late 20th century, between 1950 and ending sometime in the 1990s. From the 1990s onwards musical production in the pop world has shifted away from composition and production and more towards the executive side of things. Its a side-effect of living in a post-Beatles, post-1980s music landscape. Mucisians have not gotten lazy, record companies just don't want to take risks anymore so they only do what works. And this wont stop until normalfags realize the industry is now stagnant. But pop music nowadays is largely targeted to teenagers anyways so that may never happen.


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>>95356

>Dude this sounds good.

But that's a sound way of looking at things. Unfortunately, standards have fallen and most people seem to have low standards for actually what sounds good. That's how you get bix nood beatz or today's bland pop music.

>all that's left is listening to catchy music for the sake of it being catchy

The problem isn't catchiness; it's that it's a forced kind of catchiness. The approach to a pop song nowadays, for example, tends to rely on brute-force repetition rather than coming up with a memorable melody.

And maybe I'm just getting old, but most new underground music doesn't really do it for me anymore, either. A lot of what I hear strikes me as paint-by-numbers "genre music" with a cargo-cult conception of what's made certain styles enjoyable while actual songwriting goes out the window. But maybe everything's just going to sound tired when it's all been done before.

Lately I've just found myself sticking to my preferred eras of music and ignoring everything else.


 No.95384

>>95378

>oy

and then

>vey


 No.95386

>>95356 (OP)

>17nth century was the peak

>Beethoven

>Mozart

>Liszt

>Schumann

> Chopin

>Tchaikovsky

>Rachmaninov

>Shostakovich

>Prokofiev

You're full of it. I don't think Beethoven(born in 18nth century) is great becuase that's the, "common consensus", I think he's great because I play the piano. I listen to his pieces all the time too. I appreciate all the creativity, passion and structure that went into what he composed. For the longest time, western music was used for dances, the church, funerals, concerts and operas. People didn't like music back then because of how, "mathematically perfect it was".

>>95378

>Wagner

>obnoxious and bombastic

You probably think the passions are, "melodramatic". Reading a bunch of pretentious electro fags argue about classical is painful.

>>95382

Op was talking about quality of composers, not orchestra performance.


 No.95387

>>95386

Listen to the Romeo and Juliet overture and tell me again how the 17nth century was the peak.




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