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 No.5739

A troubling discussion for monarchists is dealing with the generalization that monarchies are the worst governments for dealing with taxes. This is mixed with half-truths and also inconsistencies on the side of opponents. As a member of the board, I am pretty relieved to find that monarchies are seen as fairer on taxation. With apologists like Hans-Herman Hoppe and others, monarchy and the reputation of being ruthless tax-mongrels lies down.

An ultimate symbol of authority, undeniably, is who is getting the levies and raising the armies, who is doing the taxing, and who is being taxed; this is a terrible mistake and grievance in the English Civil War. Ultimately, despite taxation, I would argue ultimately a power struggle between Parliament's right to tax and the Crown's right to taxation. The advent of other revolutionary battles and difficulties show that Parliament would later become the tax collectors and gather the reputation for it. Although the English were some of the less taxed in Europe around the time of King Charles I. It was a real issue of what members of society they levied in war-time dues to protect the country.

Monarchies back then used levies periodically and taxed counties, found other measures, and historically saw them as signs of loyalty and tribute.

Today it's terribly shocking with the attitude towards taxation. Despite what is said about monarchies, which used levies and didn't directly do it all during peace-time, the world today is a far-cry from what was considered outright tyranny today compared to tomorrow. People think that because the 'People' are in charge, democracy would never resolve to tax itself to death. Yet we still find the peril of it and even worse than the monarchies of old, even to the point where the idea ends.

My opinion is that monarchy is a mixed bag on terms of taxation. There have been low-tax monarchies and high-tax monarchies. The moral monarchies with strong foundations of moral code fair better because it was immoral to burden people. Time and time again, the spiritual foundation is the true discipline of monarchs.

I'm looking for the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly; and a historical discussion on taxes and apologists for why monarchy doesn't tax as hard as republics despite the claim that these representative bodies wouldn't dare harshly tax. Not an ideological or economic talk as much (although partially).

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 No.5756

>>5739

in the past monarchs could tax the shit out of people becuase monarch was sure that subjects wont escape his kingdom because it was illegal

i think

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 No.5772

>>5756

>in the past monarchs could tax the shit out of people becuase monarch was sure that subjects wont escape his kingdom because it was illegal

And nowadays representative governments tax the People because they believe they are the People. Historically, there have been fairer monarchies with low taxation and mere war-time levies. There have also been others. We look at standing armies, war-time levies, and taxation in the past, but today taxes make those examples look like a joke. This is to the point where people are willing to have themselves taxed to ridiculous lengths.

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 No.5796

>>5772

>And nowadays representative governments tax the People because they believe they are the People

no

they just want resources just every other live being

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 No.5853

there aren't many other methods available to governments of any kind of gaining the funds to perform its duties.

traditionally the US relied on wealthy landowners to hold community fundraiser BBQs and lotteries to generate funds.

raffles and whatnot may also be an option.

taxation is mainly seen as theft because the various disreputable elements of governments love to misuse those taxes.

the inescapable truth is that a monarch needs money to perform his duty to the people, and if the monarch doesn't own land or any other sort of wealth generating entreprise his options are limited significantly. imposing taxes on the populace is the most effective means of getting the capital to pay your police and military, as well as to maintain critical infrastructure.

people will be fine with paying taxes if they know their money will be used to help them. like improved roads and hardy men to patrol them.

spend the peoples' money on a gilded mansion for yourself and you earn that coup to overthrow you.

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 No.5860

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>>5853

There are multiple ways to gain funds to provide a service besides extortion, for reference you can look at every other business in the market and how they collect funds. Taxation is seen as theft regardless of disreputable elements (although they certainly don't help), it's seen as theft because it's the confiscation of your money without consent under the threat of violence. It doesn't matter if the taxes are used "for my own good," I don't need daddy government to tell me what is and is not good for me, I'm more than capable of deciding that for myself. Especially considering that government is almost completely staffed with incompetent hacks who couldn't make it in the private sector, giving me even less reason to believe in its authority.

>literally muh roads

Nevermind, between this and the reddit spacing this has to be a shitpost.

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