No.13124
<you write horribly. This is like really bad fan-fiction>
<This is terrible, like really bad fan-fiction>
<This appalling fan-fiction is so bad, it's like really bad fan-fiction made love to E.L.James and when the resulting hellspawn vomited, OP ate and regurgitated it onto the page I read.>
While it seems to be insult-for-creative-works de jour, sometimes it is hard to tell whether your critics are right, or whether they're just retards with no talent of their own, so they belittle anyone else. And yet, it isn't an impossible failing to be writing so badly that it sounds like something E.L.James would vomit on a page.
How do you self-critique to avoid this kind of obvious failure? Is it just a numbers game: the more critics, the better evaluation.
The problem I find is that everyone's a writer and no one's a critic. So, for that matter, where do you hang out to get your shit refined?
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No.13125
It's not a numbers game. Sure, when every critic hates your story, then it's almost suredly shit, but if more than half of them hate it while just ten percent absolutely love it, then you might have just created a story that only appeals to people with certain characteristics. If these people are intelligent and virtuous, while the critics are vile creatures, then you did something right. Of course, that's a theoretical scenario, but something like that can happen. Just check out the ratings on rotten tomatoes. You'll frequently find movies that have horrible ratings from critics, but audiences loved them. Why? Because the audience doesn't have an agenda, and because it has a better taste than the college-educated middle-class fuckfaces that think Harry Potter is the pinnacle of worldbuilding. With these movies, you can be sure that they are good.
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No.13126
If the criticism doesn't explain in-detail why the text is utter crap, then the critic's propably are just doing it to prop up their own ego. That doesn't necessarily mean the text isn't utter crap, but that kind of criticism is completely useless for the writer.
My pro tip: stop sucking so much.
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No.13135
>How do you self-critique to avoid this kind of obvious failure? Is it just a numbers game: the more critics, the better evaluation.
Re-reading what you wrote after a month of finishing it. You probably need to write another or take amnesia pills so you have a fresh mind when you read it again.
Otherwise, try to get it critiqued to a random writing workshop and if you get the same feedback, then you might have a problem. It's normal for people not see their own faults and there's a reason why there's a term called hypocrite.
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No.13136
>>13124
Oh and if it reads like fanfiction, try reading one and see. Your shitty book meter will make you evade such tropes. In other words, you've read a lot of shit that you're tired of it and you instinctively avoid to create such shit yourself.
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No.13137
>>13136
This is good advice. I started writing because I've read so much crap in my time I just got fed up with not seeing the kind of fiction that I like.
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No.13466
If I post to it, it will return to life
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No.13487
>>13124
When you get 0 feedback
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No.13519
>>13124
>really bad fan-fiction
redundancy
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No.13683
Where should you publish really bad fiction for the masses to see?
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No.13701
I have a really useful guide to not writing shitty fanfiction.
Read this, all 20k words of it.
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11866793/1/Miniontale
And write the exact fucking opposite.
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No.13710
>>13124
Well, do you have much of an idea of where they're coming from - of what really qualifies as a good work by their judgment? Do you have the sort of information from them (and that could just be something like their linking their Goodreads profile) that would show you what sorts of works they do like, in contrast to their not liking your work, for one thing? I find for myself that it's really important to be able to take a person's particular perspective into account in regard to whatever judgments they give.
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No.13727
>>13124
Write gay porn (or bi porn!! piss EVERYBODY OFF!!!!). This is a serious take. You already know your critics are faggots and writing sex makes you more descriptive while keeping track of character motivations becomes a little more lenient (since the reader wonders "are they gonna fuck" just as often as "WHY ARE THEY EVEN TALKING" - modern fiction is boring and sexless somehow even when the peenie DOES go inside). most people understand the phenomenon of sexual illiteracy and putting it into your writing is #RELATABLE
>>13137
Only way to do it hombrah
Socially crippling coping mechanisms will force you into isolation and empower you to analyze everybody's behavior to a degree where when you do go out other people start to seem poorly written too
Which they are
Whoever put this simulation together was obscene and neglectful
I don't understand how much insane shit people learn to enjoy and how they ignore almost everything else but then again halfway through a bottle of wine I feel like I am sensually fingerfucking my rubber dome laptop keyboard so maybe I should leave my apartment sometimes
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No.13728
>>13701
Tbh broheim fanfic authors purposely writing bad fanfics has always felt like punching down to me, and it detracts from true works of """art""" where the author is a wholehearted and painstaking dunce who try as they might cannot grasp what they are missing - those have the potential to teach what not to do. mimicking that doesn't even require an understanding of what is missing! thanks for the 20k wordcount meme brosaeidonn~
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No.14142
A basic grasp of the English language is a plus
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No.14748
>>14142
journalists can't english, dude. You should know that.
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No.14768
People keep shitting on fan-fiction but that 50 Shades chick became rich because of her Twilight fan-fiction. You either die a poor slob like Joyce or live rich spewing out garbage.
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No.14773
>>13124
Post it here and I'll call you a faggot review it for you OP.
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No.14836
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