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 No.96916

>molest/being sexual with a kid leads to them becoming gay as adults

>many famous gays like Milo Yinniggerdickobsessedupolous and George Takei speak positively about their abuser and say that it benefited them

>same principle with straight adult-child sexual relationships

>they just don't turn gay, they turn into something we don't really have a name yet for

So according to Libertarians that say "Dude like when you totally destroy your life with drugs or want to commit suicide, I will lock you in my barn for a day to straighten you out, give you a hot meal and have a man-to-man conversation with you about the meaning of life and offer you to work on my farm, then you'll turn out alright, dude." abusing children is okay, because you get their later consent for this.

 No.96926

What libertarians say that shit you're saying? What kind of libertarian would say "you live life wrong, me jail you, me do good, me strong authority man, you good now"?


 No.96937

If you can prove the child understands and is willing before the act.

Acceptance after the fact is not an argument, because you can't predict that before the fact. If even one person doesn't "provide consent after the fact", it completely demolishes your argument.


 No.96940

You are correct. These are libertarian principles, not "law of class assignment." A living being, is a living being, is a living being; it's all good.


 No.96942

All basic principles of universal liberty have fundamental assumptions that:

a. all individuals are actors

b. all individuals both expect and receive the same rights and obligations

Obviously this as stated is incompatible with current child-rearing practices and protection laws. However, that is in large part because the debates necessary to settle or justify those features have never been had. Why would you seriously argue such things when the most superficial elements of liberty are only superficially applied?

If liberty is the path to the most ideal outcomes for the most people, then some set of interpretations and assumptions will arise to justify the best practices in this area. Given the problems of chemical addiction and aging, it is entirely possible that some deterministic anti-measures will have to be cooked in, though I can think of a few scenarios where it would not be.

In the end, these child-rearing practices and protection laws may simply change. They're new and many are seen as "forward progress" but it is entirely possible that they are arbitrary or inadequate. The best reconciliation of liberty and good sense may wind up being that no one fucks until they're 26 to eliminate as much hormonal influence as possible, but it could just as well generate a system that takes the individual more into account (as it usually does) and could open teens up to open sexual behavior as young as 13 or as old as 20 on a case by case basis. Such things may not even be seen as strange, as in the past.

In the end, though, people have a good sense for what is and isn't OK. Fucking prepubescent kids and barely developed teens wont wind up being a 'good thing', and as humans, we will game the system and lie to ourselves as hard as we can to make that the case, damned the consequences. Fucking 15 year olds as a 30-something will probably never be okay, even if a 14 year old and a 16 year old experimenting gets a pass.

>Being sexual with children doesn't violate the NAP

being sexual probably violates the NAP, we just don't know it yet.

>they just don't turn gay, they turn into something we don't really have a name yet for

posttraumatic stress disorder doesn't turn you into 'something else', it just means you have PTSD. There are plenty of gays without it, but there are indeed many whose gayness seems to have been initiated by an often sexual traumatic event, especially in childhood.

>So according to Libertarians that say

you can't nail 'most libertarians' on anything, let alone all. Even trying is optimistic at best and braindead retarded at worst.

>abusing children is okay, because you get their later consent for this.

You cannot give retroactive consent under any vision of the NAP. Implicit consent is more considered; i.e. you sign a contract with an attorney that consents to their representation and therefore implicitly consent to things they do to you or say about you thereafter, even if you don't like it in the moment. It's very hard to give "implicit consent" to be molested by a person you've never had or implied any sexual activity with, definitionally, and 'she's a tease' doesn't even hold up under already present and more judgmental laws.

tl;dr fuck off lol, the PIDF is shortsighted at best and closeted statists trying to subvert the message at worst


 No.96944

>>96942

> no one fucks until they're 26 to eliminate as much hormonal influence as possible

This is a good idea, but those hormones don't shut off 'till around menopause. So, 60-70.


 No.96945

>>96916

Stop false flagging as libertarian to make us look like pedos


 No.96947

>>96944

Obviously practicality has to come in somewhere; I think 26 would be the best balance between brain development, hormones, and ability to reproduce.

That sort of policy will be irrelevant anyway once we're all fucking robots and procreation is saved for test tubes to avoid violating the child's freedom to mutually decide their parent, along with the whole pedo debate. While I'd never support a policy allowing the sexualization of children, I don't see any fundamental argument against artificial sex toys that look like kids. There's a lot of really top-level practical ones, and a good deal of "generally gross", but it'd be one way to solve the problem.


 No.96948

>>96945

I dunno. If your system isn't good enough to manage without "different rules for different kinds" bullshit, maybe it isn't good at all.


 No.96954

>>96926

The sane ones (read: none).


 No.96955


 No.96956

>>96955

Cope.


 No.96957

>>96956

I do. But not with authoritarians.




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