/liberty/ - Liberty

>>94277

Because it neither explains nor predicts political behaviors, making it useless as a political theory. The only people who spout it are indecisive fence-sitters, who gain a sense of superiority from the fact that they're "in the middle" and better than all those stupid extremists. Horseshoe fails to differentiate between authoritarian and totalitarian, makes no allowance for social policy, and ignores the fundamental assumptions that underlie the different ideologies. Your picture in particular is retarded because altruism and egoism isn't a good way to differentiate between the ideologies on the two branches.

>>94285

Nigger what? How did you get that from what he said?

>>94285

<Real authoritarian societies have never been tried

What >>94287 said, Greekboo. You failed hard at reading comprehension.

>>94294

>indecisive fence sitters

Real X has never been tried

>gain a sense of superiority for being in the middle

For rejecting failed extremist ideologies that died in the 20th century that murdered millions of it's followers. Our ideas work where differences are brought down to first world problems.

>makes no allowance for social policy

They do not have different social policy. They have different degrees of the same policies.

>Nationalism isn't egotism for psychopaths

>Socialism isn't selling souls

Now you've got nazbols who want to fuse the worst elements of both laughably failed ideologies in even more extreme alienated subcultures. Big brained unruly parasites have been faking it for hundreds of years. This time, it'll be different.

RXHNBT rhetoric.

<indecisive fence sitters

>Real X has never been tried

This connection makes no sense, and I fail to see how you leaped from the first statement to the second.

>failed extremist ideologies that died in the 20th century

>democracy shill

Oh, the irony.

>They do not have different social policy.

Don't be retarded.

>Nationalism isn't egotism for psychopaths

>only psychopaths can have an in-group preference

Wew. Also funny to see a democrat trying to call other ideologies psychopathic, really makes you think.

>Socialism isn't selling souls

You're not coherent enough to explain what "selling souls" means in this context, so there's really no way to respond to this claim.

Free democratic structures is better than authoritarian ideologies as it forces the people's treasure and their freedoms back to the citizenry. The more Authoritarian a civilization becomes, the more inherently corrupt and abusive it becomes to it's own people. It must be to pay the administrative class what it's worth. The less keys administrators plotting against the leader, the longer the reign. Kill your disloyal generals, tax collectors, and secret police to give their replacements a raise before the traitor beats you to it. The purges of the most talented individuals is reason enough why they fail. The authoritarian state needs constant internal and external enemies to keep the people accepting further abuses for the ruling parties remain in control.

This is why Oceania was always at war with Eurasia and allied with Eastasia. It was always at war with Eastasia and allied with Eurasia. I'm not trying to be a great defender of democratic virtues. What I am saying is horseshoe ideas do not work.

>muh horse shoe

>implying fascism and left are the same thing

>implying ancaps aren't left

Clearly Cone theory is superior.

>>94315

>explain China's skyrocketing GDP

It's low quality GDP in forced infrastructure of substandard materials. Low quality products. Housing, as a result, is an insanely inflated commodity.

>explain higher standard of living

Liberalization towards western market spaces and long term policy planning where the west wants to dump their labor costs. The Chinese command economy has been accommodating with a capital drain from the west who foolishly see this as a win win for globalist LOLbertarian philosophies shared by Bush and Obama.

Therefore, the west is flooded with cheap plastic shit from china. Greedy western leaders get rich as Chinese state fix trade prices to absorb foreign investors capital and steal industrial technology until guys like Donald Trump get tough on LOLbertarian trade.

>>94342

>how can ancaps be left?

They're econ cucks

>Plebs fighting in the ballot boxes

That push state treasure and tax breaks back into the populace as a reward for votes. Otherwise, why would the state be interested in giving anon a tax break to promote business, favorable legislation to cronies that build roads, or underclass access to social services like education?

If anything, I think families should be fined for bad grades to reimburse property taxpayers, but even """far right""" goys won't go that far.

The problem with Authoritarianism is that the power economy is geared towards soldiers, generals, secret police chiefs, spies, state ministries, and their army of police and petty bureaucratic agents issuing legal forms. Soviet Union made very few automobiles as they were pushing most of their production into weapons stockpiles that never fired a shot in anger for the motherland. Belarus is a poor corrupt shithole. Authoritarian nations are notoriously brutal impoverished shitholes fighting civil wars to control the raw resource exports. African Blood Diamonds are the prime example.

The most infuriating point of White Nationalists is their absolute ignorance of American /liberty/ principles and economics contributing to shitty conditions of uyte peaple. All they know, all they care about, is angry lying whores on TV and over-educated millennial soyboys bereft of character reporting on suburbanite first world problems, such as #KONY2012, poorly representing international affairs as a living parody. Running around naked playing with themselves for likes.

>>94355

People are critical, for sure, for empowering the least educated mob mentality opportunism undercutting the core tenants of Democratic Institutions for power grabs. Soy boys projecting their first world millennial problems on """Vice""" making fools out of themselves and idiotic aut rightists who never lived a day under an authoritarian regime, yet go bonkers when their cartoon troll accounts gets banned like it's literally fascism. In the world of authoritarianism, you will not have the right to complain.

The world has had 30 years of unprecedented American lead freedom after the fall of communism. We've had 70 years of general peace from major conflicts consuming innocent lives and a the brave soldiers of nation by the millions. Things are never perfect, but we know empirically by every measure that it is getting better.

>>94389

>LOLbertarian philosophies shared by Bush and Obama.

>Greedy western leaders get rich as Chinese state fix trade prices to absorb foreign investors capital and steal industrial technology

>That push state treasure and tax breaks

The data disagree with you there.

>We know empirically by every measure that it is getting better.

>all of these retarded statements

Leave and do not return, democuck.

>>94398

>seriously thinks that Bush and Obama aren't represented by similar globalist interests representing a continuous government

>Believing Free trade lolbertarianism isn't about maximization of global profits by expanding American Empire into global government to grow and protect legal ancap entities unbound by nation states

>Implying it doesn't save a firm millions of dollars to get cheap Asian electrogadets by suicidal underpaid child labor

>Thinks average people in authoritarian states have it better than the average American

>>94422

>comparative advantage

>confederate flag

One tariff to keep America white and industrialized by an elected president and elected US Congress that didn't want to be nonwhite British colony. You're right, what a dictator.

git out.

>>94425

Still haven't showed you comprehend comparative advantage and still haven't refuted it, bud.

>tariffs stop immigration

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>>94428

It hasn't predicted anything, as the theory was only created after NatSoc had fallen, giving the author the benefit of hindsight and post facto assertions. If the Reich and the USSR operated under radically opposed philosophies you might have a shadow of a point here, but they didn't. Hitler was very open in his disdain for capitalism and equally open about his appreciation and envy of Stalin's bureaucratic apparatus. The only reason we consider NatSoc to be far right at all is because of modern popular convention; the only thing right-wing about the NSDAP and /pol/acks today is their views on race, but in today's overton window that's more than enough to be called right-wing.

Furthermore, if the theory is supposed to be accurate at all, you'd expect it to be accurate at all levels of intensity, not just the two endpoints. Just look at the chart faggot OP posted. Are we really expected to believe that democratic socialists and monarchists are just two sides of the same coin? Do you seriously think AnComs and the LP are both just a couple steps away from liberty? Why is populist nationalism on the left side and not the right? The "theory" breaks down except for the singular example of NatSoc and the commies, which means it isn't a theory at all. At best it's a myopic case study; it fails to be even that when you factor in that its only because of contemporary sensibilities that we label the party full of vegan, anticapitalist treehuggers on the far right.

>>94430

Comparative advantage is something anti-free trade advocates failed to learn in highschool on the tax dime of property owners. We maximize in national specialization and sell our excess in trade in a positive sum game. I don't feel like I have to justify economics when you will not explore the Dictators Handbook explanation of comparative authoritarian power structures.

The tariff in the civil war halted the slave economy. The Republicans instated economic nationalism democratically and free statism democratically where your state's rights lolberg thinks owning people is freedom. Americans didn't want to pay the cost of their sins, and gladly gave up short term for a long term industrialization policy. It doesn't really matter anyway, nazi vs. Commie horse shoe theory is pointless reactionary porn where the free moderate right of center electorate has always dictated terms.

/pol/ has this group think echo chamber mental problem that men in the prime of their lives are killing themselves over fail propaganda and how their own secret club treats each other like human rubbish. They're isolated from the rest of society locked in the royal we, the group, and useless religious like poetry that makes the Mormons look like their with it. Everything is hyper emotional like a bitch ex-gf.

They blew through their Empires in mass graves of their fool followers and the burnt rubble of cities. Other points of facts that /pol/ ideologues forgot about, because as stated, their complaints aren't based in facts. It's based on feels and needing a group to validate modern feelings of isolation where statistical averages of individual profit maximization are valued more than any greater spiritual meaning. So the worship hollow political ideologies where they become even more isolated in the mire of political sewage of half truths until they become the ogres in the swamp drainage of mental excrement and dead rhetorical rebuffs.

Just die already.

>>94443

>meme ideology

"Fascism" is when you cuck out to the next big politician who would promise you nice things and move you with his passionate speech about an uncomprising foreign policy. No books have been written about it besides motivational feelz > realz shit like "shit will get better when we're in power".

>>94526

>implying ancap is not just as much self-contradictory and retarded

>>94600

>>94605

>i want unearned power, money, and authority freed from moderating morals and values that calls out how full of shit my murder happy ideological religion has become

>but i still believe in freezepeach that repeats the party line

>>94699

It's like comparing an Xbox360 with a Playstation 4. They weren't quite on the same level of dystopia, and they did differ in the rhetoric they used to brainwash normalcattle, but they were both essentially authoritarian-leftist regimes.

Why do you think neetsoc and communism are such easily inter-changeable ideologies?

>>94759

Third Position is for authoritarian fence sitters that just want lots of power to be the Ocasio-Cortez of the right. Trillion dollar turbo charged Keynesian that leads to necessary belligerence to fuel the inflation. Poor wartime production mobilization due to the structural inefficiency of fascist bureaucracy in comparison to democracy and communism.

Hitler just kind of winged it because he was a starving artist that liked to micromanage on projects he had no clue what he was doing. Which is why there's no theory.

>>94279

I hate that 4 square one. I took that test at political compass and not only does it ask questions with no context behind them but it ask questions that are completely irrelevant to politics. I still remember that question about if I think abstract art should be considered real art. It has to ask complete bullshit questions to try to lump me in with someone I disagree with. The spectrum is the best one in my opinion. Either your policy requires government control of it doesn't. Progressives hate it because it lumps both the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany on their side of the spectrum but as it turns out both single-party single-state totalitarian dictatorships have more in common than they want to admit.

Given that Alexandr Dugan's 4th Political Theory is bipolar hybridization between far right opportunism and Marxist Leninism revival, horse shoe theory is a modest restraint for the founder of the National Bolshevik Party upon the fall of the Soviet Union.

Eurasianists will adopt traditional family values and gender abolition feminist cuckoldry concurrently. They will adopt strict Orthodox teachings while demand Satanist, mysticism, and occultism (devil majik) concurrently. They will embrace socialist economics and Fascist Keynesian statists. They are both the subverter, and the false savior.

The whole point of the extremists is to destabilize is to internally destablize the border states of the Europe and the United States to absorb passive vassal into the Russian Federation before they internally sort their affairs. They want to internally antagonize problems, and form the solution that just so happens to be Russia's solution. They are interested in finding traitors in the United States to purposefully breakdown political resolution through agitating street actions.

The only singular coherent goal of Eurasianism is to reinforce the authoritarian Russian regime, internally breakdown and subvert American and NATO rivals, and promote Finlandization of satellite states that would otherwise never willingly subject their interests towards Moscow.

No ideological consistency; for the WORKER, RACE, STATE, GENDER, RELIGION, THE POOR, bla bla bla bla bla. It's all an exploitation of weakness to pursue power. To remove the innumerable liberties away from the citizen to a foreign government. Specifically, an assault on the Anglo-American.

What is Duginism and why it matters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdkfEKOVaFc