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Ya'll need Mises.

File: d62e5c167a9bd82⋯.jpg (938.15 KB, 1600x900, 16:9, railyard.jpg)

 No.91284

Who are you voting for in November, American /liberty/? Or will you be?

[spoiler]

Not sure if I should vote against the Democrats in the Congressional race this November because I want to send a message about how much I fucking hate this culture war.

Not sure if I should vote against the Republicans in the Congressional race this November because they can’t repeal Obamacare, let alone do anything meaningful, and are full of boomershit traitors like McCain was.

Not sure if I should just write "fuck you" on the ballots like I have been.

There are no third parties where I live.

[/spoiler]

 No.91285

Fuck me for forgetting that spoilers only work on individual paragraphs.


 No.91289

>>91284

If you vote Republican, you'll elect a neocon who likely won't enact any meaningful change and pass a lot of policies you disagree with.

If you vote Democrat, you'll usher in a sea of socialist browns and with them any possible hope of achieving liberty that we may have. With those options in mind, I think the sensible thing to do is become partisan Republican in an effort to delay death by demographics as long as possible. So hold your nose and put those trash-tier neocons in office, they're far from great but they won't cause civilized society to collapse in on itself.


 No.91314

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>LP broke all historical popular vote records for the party in 2016

>voting for a fucking warmongering spying torturing RINO neocon when you could be voting for people who actually agree with you

>inb4 "LP is an joo!!1! Only violent revolution is effective!!"


 No.91339

My district's US Representative isn't going anywhere, and his only opponent is a dimwit. For Governor, I might vote for the Republican to try to kick out our incumbent, or I might throw away my vote on the no-chance free market Libertarian.


 No.91376

>>91314

The only way the LP will become successful is by continuing to degrade their morals and ignoring their core userbase. Fuck 'em.

>>91284

I voted once in my life because I was tricked into being a sheep back in high school. I will never vote again. Fuck anyone who gives the system power over you by voting.


 No.91377

>>91314

Fag, this is not the 2016 map. Nebraska and Nevada didn't have an LP popular vote, no state did. I'll keep voting Libertarian 4 as long as I live, but get your facts straight first, cunt!


 No.91378

>>91376

The system isn't going to stop having power becasue you didn't fill a few circles in.


 No.91379

>>91376

>>91378

Alright, that came off snarky. I can appreciate the sentiment to a point, but I don't really by the fact that the federal government gains its legitimacy through the ballot. All governments, democratic or otherwise, rule with the tacit consent of the governed, because once the populus is dissatisfied enough they become ungovernable until the government is removed or replaced. And governments have gone along quite well even when the citizenry had no franchise. With this in mind, let's look at the US as it stands now. Voter participation is only 50 percent of the eligible voters or so, but that doesn't mean that we're halfway towards a revolt, it means half of the electorate has become apathetic and doesn't care who rules over them. And apathy is tacit consent, which is all that's needed for a government to remain in power. Politicians don't exactly panic over reduced participation after all, they just run a few Get Out The Vote campaigns and bribe them to the ballot box.

Unless you mean giving the system power in a more personal way, e.g. you think it's wrong to use the state to do violence on your behalf. In which case I would argue that voting in self defense is perfectly justified. If we think of state power as a weapon to be used against people, I think it's a perfectly reasonable concern to try and control which way that gun is pointing, and do your best to make sure your friends and loved ones aren't among that number.

It's true that no major or prolific minor party supports all of our interests (even the LP is pretty shit), but this is what life's given us, so until there's a feasible way of removing the state let's make lemonade. Yes, obviously democracy doesn't work in the long run, and always goes further left over time, and makes it far harder to achieve what we need. But if Europeans are replaced by economically illiterate brown hordes, then we won't have any chance at all, and I think voting to stop or delay that future is perfectly valid self defense.


 No.91380

I nearly always wait until the last minute to look into candidates, so no fucking clue. I vote my conscience, which almost always leads to voting for whomever the LP candidate is (not that I'm usually a big fan of them anyway) or abstaining. Every now and again I'll vote Repub. or even Dem., if the candidate is good enough and/or the opposition is bad enough.


 No.91390

>>91379

It's "populace", Cletus. If you are instead referring to the amount of people in an area, the word would instead be "populous".


 No.91397

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>>91390

Which is why I said "populus" and not "populous", Basil Lee. Admittedly, it's Latin and not Aynglish.


 No.97386

>>91289

This is pretty much what it comes down to.

Although I also have to say that if the damn libertarians would just buck up and have the balls to start identifying as "republicans" (Which is really the only sensible choice for them at this point) and recognize that the party stands for small government, guns, free speech and American-Liberty-At-Least-In-Principle then those damn neocons would be feeling a FUCK of a lot more pressure to actually get shit done.

Basically, fact is nobody is going to change a party by standing in the middle and saying "I'll vote for whoever panders to me the best" because both parties are going to pander to their base. Your best bet is to pick a side and then "be the change you want to see" IMO.

Can't imagine why a libertarian would EVER pick the left though, since their entire philosophy fundamentally revolves around "big government fixes everything" at the heart.




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