/liberty/ - Liberty

Feudalism was about more than government renting property to citizens.

>>82874

You're starting off from the premise that the king provides no service or benefit to the kingdom. In reality most kingdoms wouldn't exist if some dude hadn't gathered around a crowd of people who believed in him and fought for him, then raised him up as their ruler. The people, at least initially, surrendered their property rights voluntarily. And every subsequent generation of people usually had the ability to enter the nobility and get their property rights back, if they jump through the right hoops. As for "just property", a king does in fact does have a just claim to the property, because he has a clear pedigree to ancestors that DID transform the land by their willpower and energy, which forged together a whole people. The king defends his kingdom, develops it, and bears ultimate responsibility for what happens to his kingdom.

>>82866

>What would stop corporations from evolving into states in anarcho-capitalism?

Competition. The same thing that kept Germany from taking over Europe.

Next!

>>82899

>Competition. The same thing that kept Germany from taking over Europe.

Imagine being so knee deep in ideology.

>>82900

Why would the lord let you homestead on his land though?

>>82903

There were always vast tracts of unexplored land beyond the borders of kingdoms… just that its a bit fucking hard to do things from scratch.

>>82903

What in "overthrow these bitches" did you not understand?

>>82908

>Stealing from the (land owners) capitalists is okay because they have too much I am not a commie though this is libertarianism

>>82897

Serfs can move under anarcho feudalism, they just don't which is why they are serfs.

>>82913

>Implying i care about people i have no personal relations with.

Back to pol, shitter with your cuckish class theory.

Really, aside from excessive moralizing and brainwashing, socialism acts basically the same as a company, if viewed from inside. They differ in how they treat other world: socialism - as its subject, corporation - as other (legal?) actors, i.e. more or less like other corporations.

>>82927

Corporatism is socialism.

>>82931

I actually meant any corporation. you know, you can even call each owner in ancapitalism a socialist leader of his land, with the difference between a real socialist is that he implies his wishes onto others as subjects of his own domain, while an individual does not go further than his property.

>>82931

Though generally i agree with your statement, socialism of any kind if not going for full blown state ownership will have this, as there will always be corruption and stupidity.

>>82925

>Back to pol, shitter with your cuckish class theory.

<Rich people won't exist in ancapistan

This idiot actually thinks that ancap is communism.

>>82893

>you're starting off from the premise that the king provides no service or benefit to the kingdom

What gives you that assumption?

>>82941

Yeah, of course i am commie for not caring about what other people do. Does the word "egoist" tell you something?

>>82866

>Say a massive and rich business would provide free housing and pay for it's workers, the housing would be in the businesses self-interest due a variety of reasons, some of which are faster contact and work with workers, and power, this business wants to become the state.

>due a variety of reasons

there's only one reason why any big corporation would grow into a de facto state - power vacuum

suppose there's no state tomorrow, no police, no legal framework

first thing any sane corporation would do is to make sure its internal security takes the functions of the police in areas of its operations

after that corporation would need a legal codex, trials, judges and all the other features of the state to operate properly

also, capitalists want profits, they want to accumulate more capital, not some abstract "power"

any piglet who thinks he can go up against the current is in for a rude awakening

you can't cheat the law of value, you play by the rules, or you suffer losses

so for any idiot who provides free housing for his employees, especially if he has a reserve army of labor at his disposal, there would be his competitor who doesn't do this shit

>>82893

>The people, at least initially, surrendered their property rights voluntarily.

yes, "voluntary" as in at the barrel of gun

you pay in labor hours, produce or whatever or we fuck you up is as voluntary as it gets

>>82944

>for not caring about what other people do.

I'm glad you agree that statists enslaving people is fine.

>>82957

you can enslave everyone you want, it is not my buisness, you can go suck commies' dicks with such moralfaggotry

>>82958

No, no, I actually agree with you.

>>82959

Oh, ok then. You are actually also free to not enslave anyone.

Damn, i phrased it wrong. My opinion on states enslaving people is irrelevant unless the people are interesting to me, but i likely won't do much against it, if anything, while agreement or acceptance of something does not help or make it harder to accomplish. If commies wanna try to recreate ussr i'm going to escape myself, but i would not likely to openly oppose them, unless i have to.

>>82956

>In reality most kingdoms wouldn't exist if some dude hadn't gathered around a crowd of people who believed in him and fought for him, then raised him up as their ruler.