No.79538
Redpill me on this shit. What is the super secret formula that the alt-right kids have that makes their version of socialism magically more successful than anyone else's?
No.79540
>>79538
It is called Larping.
No.79542
>>79538
hitler was against capitalism because of jewish usury but didnt really bother destroying the markets
also basically aryans are biologically and culturally superior to everyone and will solve everything with the biological and cultural superiority and no problems would ever happen
i think that's it in tl;dr, they go seriously in depth about their cultural (natural order, anti-bolshevismus thinking) and racial thinking
No.79543
>>79538
>What is the super secret formula that the alt-right kids have that makes their version of socialism magically more successful than anyone else's?
There is no "super secret formula", there's nothing at all. If you ask any given natsoc on /pol/ in regards to what natsoc actually is or how it's different from say, Capitalism or Socialism, Communism, etc, I can almost guarantee that you'll never get a straight or even remotely economic answer. What you will get are macros that are practically like that second image that you posted either just rhetorical answers that mean nothing, a whole bunch of feel good copypastas about family and work, etc.
No.79544
>>79543
that is because polak stuff isnt about economic institutions and the law regulating private property, it is more about the attitudes, culture, opinions on topics, and so on
for example, you can have both, a white nationalist commie commune, and a white nationalist private property contract law society
its about not mixing the races, not market transactions
No.79545
>>79543
>I can almost guarantee that you'll never get a straight or even remotely economic answer.
And then because they have nothing to say, they start talking about Jews and niggers. From what I gathered, their version of "national-socialism" isn't even the same as Hitler's national-socialism, theirs is just short-sighted protectionist policies and the rest is some kind of Aryan magic because "simply because we are Aryans⁽ᶜⁱᵗᵃᵗⁱᵒⁿ ⁿᵉᵉᵈᵉᵈ⁾, it will all magically work out and we will all live in a utopia". I mean seriously, if you're ever going to give these people control of your economy, you at least want them to have some kind of plan or program, not some abstract promise that "this time it will work, because it's us doing it, because we are different, because we think we're special and unlike other guys".
No.79546
>>79544
But then why do they reinvent the wheel and pretend like their ideology is somehow special and different, instead of choosing from the traditional communist-capitalist dichotomy?
No.79547
>>79545
They believe that race realism will produce high iq population, and out of these high iq population high iq economists will appear to handle the economy, high iq generals to handle military, etc etc.
Going to alt right/pol for economy is like going to car mechanic for a kidney pain. That's not how that works.
>>79546
Because communism-capitalism thingie is reversable, you can go back from one to another, but if the aryan race (tm) disappears, its an irreversible process. Which is why you might hear them talk economy from time to time, but securing the existence of white race (quite literally the official motto and the anthem of those guys) is much more important.
They dont know whether capitalism or communism works better, all they know is that the aryans (tm) will do them both better.
No.79548
>>79538
this is edgy (in the usa)
No.79561
>>79547
>Going to alt right/pol for economy is like going to car mechanic for a kidney pain. That's not how that works.
Yes, except these "car mechanics" insist that all professional doctors are frauds and that we should only consult car mechanics for matters concerning our health from now on.
Denying the most fundamental principles of economics in favour of some kind of abstract new "Aryan economics" that they simply like better for its cool, mysterious, utopian feel, is the same as rejecting mathematics in favour of some kind of "Aryan mathematics" that you came up with yourself just because you're upset that your bank account is giving you a negative balance instead of a million dollars (for lack of a better example).
No.79564
>>79538
It's basically
>U guise ethnic minorities always boat in their own self interest and not in the interest of my glorious nation. That's why instead of dismantling the structures that give them power we have to give franchise only to white people cause whites are infallible. It's not socialism because we put the word national at the front!
No.79566
>>79561
>alt right doesnt have its economy worked out
Ok fine, google corporatism and fuck off. Fascist theory deals with the economic question, and its answer is what it today in English called corporatism, and its not some theoretic utopia or whatever, il Duce's trains arrived on time in Italy, and it wasnt like Hitler was bad for the economy either.
It's just that people who want an ethnostate dont instantly put themselves as central planners of everything at all times, they merely pop up and voice their opinions when a subject they are familiar with pops up.
Not everyone in the hypothetical ethnostate has to be a perfect economist or even a private business owner.
So there you go. It can be as Hitler imagined in the blood and soil, a nation of free and independent small farmer soldiers, or it can be as Mussolini wanted, corporatism.
No.79568
>>79566
>it's not like Hitler was bad for the economy
Yeah war has this way of obscuring the crash from all those subsidiezed industries.
No.79570
>>79568
Are you implying that fascist regimes had troubles with the economy, or that private property rights were abolished or what is the deal with you?
People who are into alt right and neo nazism and so on just want an all white nation, everything else can remain the same for all they care, capitalism included.
Not quite sure what you want to strawman fascists and neonazis into, they might critique a culture of consumerism but abolishing private property isnt a prerequisite to wanting a white ethnostate.
No.79571
>>79566
Fascism as Mussolini defined it is Keynesianism, through and through. The reason it seemed to work out is that there wasn't time for the long term effects to settle in.
No.79572
>>79570
If everything's the same but now everyone's white, they'll have the exact same problems but this time they won't know where to point the finger. If I'm strawmanning them into anything, I guess I'm strawmanning them into the American government but white. Have you talked to a natsoc who does have any economic ideas? It's not "I have no ideas I just want white" it's "For the good of the people social security for everyone national glory we'll all have housing but it's not communism because we're also creating jobs with subsidies" It's shit.
No.79573
>>79572
Bruv all the neonazis I know off want to take sparsely populated parts of Canada and a few northern US mostly white states (and by "take" I really mean just legally immigrating there, purchasing property and voting themselves in order to enact legislation to keep the place white) and then from there on use private property and supply and demand as they go on.
American ones are looking into Alaska and Canada while European ones are looking into Siberia. They talk a lot about fishing, farming and agriculture, about guns, and about picking up a useful trade, such as mechanics, locksmiths and so on.
Main thing is that ethnic (north) Europeans are intellectually and genetically superior to other populations, and that present day culture and attitudes and media and so on is too jewed, or unsuitable and unhealthy for a family life and survival of the northern Europeans as a distinct ethnic and cultural and genetic group.
To think that the modern neonazis are going to coup your government and kick down your doors or have anything to do with you is just so absurd post 1945. Modern day neonazis are really just white separatists that probably dont want to have any business with you anymore than you want to have any business with them, and they are looking into fishing and homesteading and starting all over again.
>tl;dr
White separatists are aiming for a village, not torturing you in particular for glory. Plans for world domination ended with the 3rd reich, now its much more just about staying alive and raising children without jewish/liberal degenerate influence.
No.79576
>>79573
Won't that end up with the Unabomber situation where they get mad over some violation of their surroundings and start sperging out? Either that or they become Amish / Native American reservations and the Aryan Reserve parody that the Germans made / the Savage reserve in Brave New World becomes a reality.
No.79577
>>79566
>corporatism
How is current day Russia's corporatism working out?
>inb4 russians aren't white
>hitler
The illusion that Hitler did something good for the economy is that he simply made Germany stop paying WW1 debts to other countries.
No.79578
>>79538
that's nazbol on left. move up to the center in the middle and that's Hitlerite NS
No.79582
>>79570
>everything else can remain the same for all they care, capitalism included.
Then what is national-socialism? What is corporatism? The implication is that the pol has unrealistic utopian visions of their society where "we have everything that we have today minus all the bad stuff" where they have "the best of both worlds" as a lot of them like to describe it without going into specifics.
No.79584
>>79576
>>79577
>>79582
>my thing is about the race
>let me ask you about economics tho
idk lol, dont care either
>hitler was a communist even tho 2/3 of the mein kampf was anti-commie rant and if you ctrl-f "anti bolshevismus" the whole book lights up
yeah nah
>fascists want to abolish private property even tho no fascist ever did this
dont even know what to say about this either
>basically there is a international conspiracy out there on the internet, where nazis want to come to my house in particular and nazionalise my toothbrush
'no', all our paramilitaries are dead in the current year, there's no militarism involved in the present day alt right/neonazi movement, we just want to be left alone, we are more like a ron paul than you libertarians who pick on us it seems
No.79591
National Socialism is different from normal socialism in many ways. Remember that "socialist" and "socialism" meant something different then than they do now. Just like liberal then meant something akin to libertarianism, but liberal now means something quite different. There were plenty of private industries and businesses under National Socialism. But they did nationalize industries they saw as crucial to the war effort. IIRC though a lot of it was supposed to be re-privatized after the war was won. Private industry was encouraged, but it was required to benefit the people and the nation in some way.
The main thing Hitler was right about though is how cancerous usury and modern banking practices are, how debt-based currency fucks a nation. Remember nobody knew about anything Holocaust related until years after Nazi Germany was defeated, it had nothing to do with why WW2 happened. The main reason was that the global banks were pissed at Hitler for not playing their game. Just like today where there's only a handful of countries without a central global bank, and all of them are targets.
No.79593
>>79538
It National-Socialism suddenly works because in-group preference and eugenics… two crucial policies in line with natural law that regular socialism and communism are extremely opposed to.
No.79594
>>79593
Strasserism or Social-Nationalism is basically communism + in-group preference and eugenics.
No.79597
>>79591
Private property was not viewed as a right by the NSDAP. In Nazi Germany, it was treated as a privilege. The memes of production weren't yours, you were just borrowing them from the collective. Typical commie faggotry, just with the buzzwords and bogeymen swapped out.
No.79600
>>79593
>eugenics… two crucial policies in line with natural law
Forced eugenics isn't. You can go up to someone with a hereditary disease and say "I'll give you a fuckload of money if you let me sterilize you" but you gotta come up with the funds yourself.
No.79601
>>79591
Oh boy, here they come.
No.79602
>>79597
That's not true. There were special wartime provisions though and you might say that was a ruse and they wouldn't have actually ended. But Hitler did offer numerous treaties so perpetual war clearly wasn't their goal. In my 4th picture there you can see what Hitler said about private property. I don't know where you got the idea that the Nazis didn't allow private enterprise or property. Also here's some stuff about why usury and the Federal Reserve are so fucked. Even as a libertarian it's clear that shit is unacceptable.
>>79601
Is that not the purpose of this thread?
No.79603
>>79591
> Private industry was encouraged
> but it was required to
>>79593
logically, eugenics would be mandatory in communism and allowed under capitalism
communism is one big in group preference just with a made up group, and capitalism allows it
both of those things are either mandatory or allowed under communism and capitalism
No.79604
>>79597
Feudalism is the only true way
>>79600
I don't support coercion, so long as there is no taxation. Liberal Eugenics is the future TBH.
No.79605
>>79603
>Private industry was encouraged
>but it was required to
Yes. You could be a private businessman, but not if you were selling drugs or faulty goods that would harm your people. Of course the problem with this sort of thing is that it's straightforward in theory, but can be easily abused by corrupt authorities.
No.79607
>>79605
>easily abused by corrupt authorities.
Indeed, as with any system know to man.
What do you think of inverted feudalism or tiered democracy?
http://davevolek.org/TDG/TDGindex.html
>Quotes Einstein, your research mine goyim
Still worth a look.
No.79608
>>79605
then its not private
No.79609
No.79610
>>79605
The problem is that is contradictory to claim someone can live his life as he wants and prevent voluntary transactions for his supposed benefit.
No.79611
>>79610
>>79608
So… you are opposed to interventionism?
The group will always impose rules on the individual though. Even animals do. It's inescapable unless you live alone or as a pair physically removed from all other groups who would impose their law on you.
No.79612
>>79607
>What do you think of inverted feudalism or tiered democracy?
Don't know enough about them to form any sort of informed opinion. Care to give me your take on it?
>>79610
>>79608
Yeah I'm not saying it was libertarianism in disguise or anything. I'm just pointing out that it was a far cry from the bullshit communist states pull where nobody owns anything and it all belongs to the state, even the people do. I think it strikes a healthy balance personally, but that's beside the point I guess.
>>79609
Socialist then meant something very different than it does now. Just like liberal, the meaning has shifted quite a distance over the years.
No.79613
>>79611
There is a difference between a union which limits (but also extends) my possibilities and a state which attacks my owness.
No.79614
Here's a man describing his youth in Nazi Germany, and he touches a bit on private property.
No.79615
>>79611
well the fundamental belief of most here is that people should be free
>>79612
>do whatever you want unless I dont like it
if I tell you this, if this is the dynamic of relationship between two parties, then one party owns the other, this is slavery/communism
No.79616
>>79584
You can stop putting words in my mouth. I didn't say anywhere that evil "neo-nazi" (only redditors and newfags use that word) paramilitaries will go around stealing shit.
>we just want to be left alone
That's now, the moment you get into power you wouldn't be leaving anyone alone, I'm assuming this by the way you run your imageboards and other platforms.
No.79617
>>79615
>do whatever you want unless I dont like it
Well this is where our ideologies differ and we're unlikely to agree with each other on the matter. I consider a libertarian approach to be a nice ideal, but unfortunately impractical. It's a similar failing with democracy - most people just can't handle their own affairs well, and they let their own failings spill over and make things worse for others. I also believe a government has a duty to the people to support their overall well-being. In fact I'd say that's probably the most important thing for a government to do. I also think that where it's not doing that, it shouldn't be doing much of anything. A government should advance the people's interests, not its own. And from what I understand National Socialism did an excellent job of that, until they were defeated by every other major power in the world for daring to go against the international global banks.
No.79618
>>79612
>Socialist then meant something very different than it does now. Just like liberal, the meaning has shifted quite a distance over the years.
Indeed, the corruption of language and shifting the sands under one's feet or the analogy of the slowly boiling frog is apt. This is not purely unintentional btw
>>79612
>Care to give me your take on it?
OK. Say there are 10 people. They all know each other and they know one person who would be a good leader, so they elect that person to the first tier or rank 1. 10 rank 1's become friends and find one among them to be a leader so they elect him rank 2. The process then continues naturally until no higher tiers are elected, and a council formed of the highest tier runs the government. It's still authoritarian (I don't think the absence of authority is possible for any significant period of time), but is a form of democracy that cannot be corrupted by finance-media so easily.
No.79620
>>79612
>Socialist then meant something very different than it does now. Just like liberal, the meaning has shifted quite a distance over the years.
That kinda makes sense, but today's national-socialists are still socialists with a few a nuances.
No.79621
>>79615
>the fundamental belief of most here is that people should be free
I agree with this perspective, and enjoy people who have it… but I think freedom is a constant struggle in reality.
No.79622
>>79617
>people are retarded and cant handle their own shit
>they need daddy gubmint to come in and "help" them
thats literally communism
my opinion is that if people cant handle their own shit, its their own fault
while we do disagree I will applaud you for disagreeing in a reasonable and civil manner and actually explaining yourself with honest reasoning, something I cant soy for the communists who actually call themselves communists
No.79624
No.79625
>>79618
>This is not purely unintentional btw
Yeah I know, degradation and obfuscation of language is an unfortunately effective tactic.
>that description
Not a bad idea, really.
>>79620
Yeah it's still similar, but the differences are big ones IMO. Not everything has to be of the state or for the state, but it does have to be for the people. I think that's healthy, a business that does nothing but take and give nothing back is not one that should be around. The libertarian response is that people should just boycott a business that behaves that way, but the unfortunate reality is that most people won't know or won't care.
>>79622
I think the main mistake libertarians make is that you project your positive qualities onto other people. It's a more noble mistake than leftists who tend to project their negative qualities onto others, but a mistake all the time. But the truth is most people aren't capable of handling their own business. It'd be great if they could.
The difference between NatSoc and communism is that NatSoc puts the people first, and communism puts the state first despite claims to the contrary.
No.79628
>>79625
I think the libertarian response would more likely be "but who gets to decide which business should be pruned and to what extent" but ok, whatever.
No.79630
>>79602
>don't know where you got the idea that the Nazis didn't allow private enterprise or property
Because I never got that idea. They allowed it, but with the implicit understanding that if they didn't like what you were doing you'd get replaced by someone more willing to collaborate.
No.79631
>>79630
>with the implicit understanding that if they didn't like what you were doing you'd get replaced by someone more willing to collaborate.
No.79632
>>79630
Right, but they were pretty hands off about it. The vast majority of things worked just like they would under a standard capitalist setup. see ( >>79614 )
>>79628
Yeah that's always a problem with these sorts of things. Give a government any inch of authority and you'll always have to make sure they're not abusing it for personal gain, or at the expense of others. I think NatSoc is more resistant to that than most, given the entire premise of the ideology, but of course not immune. It would have to be very carefully monitored, and its actions scrutinized.
No.79633
>>79543
>spergs about /pol/
>wears /pol/ flag
No.79634
>>79633
>all that shit you just said
you know you can hover over a flag if you have some africa tier education and cant recognize it
No.79635
>>79633
Just noticed you guys have flags.
>/pol/ Visitor Crashing on the Couch of /liberty/
Nice. Shoulda been using it this whole time.
No.79636
>>79634
>obvious /pol/ flag isn't a /pol/ flag
>spergs about africa tier education
>has africa tier education
No.79638
>>79636
wew, if you hover over it that is a confederate flag and not a national socialist flag
im sorry you cant recognize it but maybe from now on you will remember this conversation when you see it
No.79639
>>79638
>confederates
>not /pol/lacks
wew lad
No.79640
>>79639
>an anti american board caring about the american secessionist
>a nationalist board having any sympathy for secessionist
there was a time when you were right, but there was a time where goldpill threads and ironpill threads were allowed too
THIS used to be a /pol/ flag at one point
No.79641
>>79612
The result of contradiction is not balance, but chaos.
No.79642
>>79641
Where do you see a contradiction?
No.79644
>>79642
I specified here >>79610
No.79645
>>79644
Well, you're not free to live life as you want under NatSoc if what you want is harmful to the wellbeing of your people, because your shit would get shut down if found to be against the interests of your fellow man. So no contradiction there, anon. Also, is selling meth to an addict really a voluntary transaction? Sure, it's two consenting adults, but one clearly is no longer acting in a rational manner for his best interest. He has been failed by his family, by his community, by his society, and his state. And to a varying degree, he has also failed his duties to those things, as well as to himself. Allowing him to continue suffering by doing nothing is immoral.
Aside from that though, they had nothing against capitalism. If you look at their critiques of capitalism it's about human capital being reduced to a disposable commodity, a person being reduced to an easily replaced cog in the machine. They thought that some aspects of capitalism were crushing to the human spirit, but otherwise welcomed it as an efficient system.
No.79646
>>79645
The individual is the only source of right and wrong, when he takes drugs and when he quits them.
It is ironic to complain about being a cog in the machine when the prescribed rules must bring about exactly that result.
No.79647
>>79644
>He has been failed by his family, by his community, by his society
Well that's definitely true. The society, the community and the family are the ones who should be responsible for "demonizing" the things that are detrimental to us and making sure their countrymen are all okay.
>and his state
Not the state though, the state should not be responsible for making sure everyone is sober, well-dressed, well-fed and perfectly taken care of because that is impossible. The more responsibility is given to the state, the less power other groups have to deal with these problems and instead of being replaceable cogs in a machine, people become like cattle. What's more, by advocating that the state should take these responsibilities upon itself is hypocritical, it implies that you aren't willing to take responsibility for fellow man and deal with the problems so you use the state to do all the dirty work for you. Me, for example, I despise degeneracy, I wouldn't let my brother or my friends do drugs, nor would I let my sister practice prostitution or have an abortion (or even go clubbing) even if those things would be legal, and as counter-intuitive as it sounds there are perfectly good reasons why those things should be legal.
No.79648
>>79633
>>79636
>>79639
Nazi Germany has far more in common with the Union than the Confederacy.
No.79651
What a stupid thread. Anyone who's a pure blooded non degenerate white should have already embraced national socialism and actively joined /pol/ long ago. The only ones left here reeeeing in this circlejerk shithole board are kikes, half breeds, sodomites, degenerates, 56 percenters and other 1 drop rule failing subhumans who know they'll be justly exterminated when national socialism inevitable prevails as the leading ideology. Face it, you garbage mutts can't find a single flaw with national socialism, but you're so desperate for survival you'll pull all sorts of philosophical and psuedointellectual crap out of your ass to slow the day of the rope. But it's futile, you're all just embarrassing yourselves.
No.79652
>>79651
>WHY DOESN'T EVERYONE WANT TO BE A JOIN OUR HIVEMIND?
>BY HAVING YOUR OWN OPINION, YOU ARE MAKING US ALL LOOK STUPID, SO JOIN THE HIVEMIND!!!
No.79653
>>79651
>/pol/ and /leftypol/ both ban dissent, but /liberty/ is the circlejerk
>unironically uses the one drop rule
>entire renaissance fair's worth of LARPing
No.79655
>>79651
>bla bla bla
No one invited you, gtfo kike.
No.79656
>>79651
No fuck you, communism is the one truth path. For real though, you need to work on your false flags /leftypol/, you guys never actually manage to capture /pol/'s unique brand of autism.
No.79657
>>79656
It's almost a perfect match for some of the semi coherent rants I've gotten in the past for not fellating based fuhrer. I'm not about to discount the possibility that it's an actual /pol/lack yet.
No.79658
>>79646
The value of the individual can't be ignored, but I think that we have to think bigger if we're talking ultimate right or wrong. Within reason, of course. There is a balance to be struck between individualism and collectivism, especially in how you define "the collective".
>>79647
>the state should not be responsible for making sure everyone is sober, well-dressed, well-fed and perfectly taken care of because that is impossible
I strongly agree with what you're saying here, but I don't think I expressed myself clearly. It's true that it's not the state's job to take care of every dipshit that happens to be alive, and that it's our own duties to take care of ourselves, our families, and our fellow man. That said, a government has a duty to prioritize the wellbeing of its people, through whatever means necessary. Its place is only where other means fail, or are somehow terribly inefficient. I think we're mostly in agreement on this one.
>>79657
It's not impossible, but if you've ever gotten into a /leftypol/ chatroom they talk about how one of their favorite things is trying to turn the site against /pol/ by imitating the less savory anons on /pol/ and shitposting on /v/ and other popular boards. They really have a complex about /pol/ being larger than /leftypol/, and especially how when the site got hacked theirs was one of the last to be brought back online, along with /pone/ and /fur/ if I remember right. The reason I'm sure that particular poster isn't actually from /pol/ is pushing the forced 56% meme. That's the most obvious mistake he made. Also, even Hitler was cool with 1/8 jews.
No.79659
>>79658
>especially how when the site got hacked theirs was one of the last to be brought back online, along with /pone/ and /fur/ if I remember right
Fun times.
No.79661
>>79658
You're too smart for /pol/. What are you still forgetting there, bruh? It's just idiots flinging shit at each other and calling each other shills without any meaningful discussion being had. Keep hanging out with those guys for too long and they will bring down your IQ to their average.
No.79663
>>79658
>there is a balance to be struck between individualism and the collective
The collective is comprised of individuals. Do good for the individuals and you have helped the collective. Bam done. Nazis btfo forever eternally.
No.79664
>>79659
Where's /liberty/? Are we too insignificant for those lists? Or are we /shadowgov/ now?
No.79667
>>79664
All the tiny boards got restored after the 7th bracket.
No.79671
>>79661
Don't actually post on /pol/ much anymore, mods keep banning me for stupid reasons. I understand it's not a free speech board, that's /b/ (and here?) but they've gone way overboard. I think they know it too, they're accepting new vols. I applied but I doubt they'll choose me. At least /zenpol/ and /polk/ are still good boards, although slow.
>>79663
To a degree yeah, but if you place the individual's wellbeing above that of the group then it can cause issues. Everybody behaving selfishly may lead to profitable and efficient markets, but not so much for stable and successful civilization.
No.79680
>>79671
People managing their own affairs is for the best. If they fuck up, no one but them is on the hook.
No.79683
>>79680
Ideally. But too often it does affect others.
No.79691
FREEDOM FIRST
HITLER SECOND
Is there a good reason to disagree with the above?
No.79692
>>79570
>Are you implying that fascist regimes had troubles with the economy
They were working on borrowed money (pretty much 80% of the reason Americans were pissed and the UK/France went to war) and their keynesian policies were on the verge of collapsing and burning in a giant fire. Before google became cucked you could pull up case studies showing how even though the Germans were building shit tons of vehicular roads, Americans had about 7 times more cars per capita than Germans. Nazi Germany was a giant fucking cardboard city waiting for the wind to blow it over.
>or that private property rights were abolished
Not sure what else you'd call corporate favoritism in the government, government branch offices designed to accomplish goals traditionally the job of private business like entertainment/resource providing (whether automobiles or shoes), and literal confiscation of private property, anon.
>or what is the deal with you?
If not for the war, Germany had maybe another decade tops before they collapsed to a soviet-level slav-tier country like they had always been from the start.
>Not quite sure what you want to strawman fascists and neonazis into
I don't even need to strawman when the NEETSocs do it to themselves.
No.79693
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Freedom_Party
What do you think about this party?
I think it is the product of >>79691
Worthwhile?
No.79694
>>79617
>most people just can't handle their own affairs well
Spotted the Generation Z. Most people can handle their own affairs just fine if you worked a day in your life and actually interacted with them. The government gets in the way.
>and they let their own failings spill over and make things worse for others.
That's not your problem and that's not my problem. That's a conflict between the faggot who fucked up and the person harmed by that fuckup, and no, "society' is not a tangible person who can suffer from someone's fuckup, only individuals.
>I also believe a government has a duty to the people to support their overall well-being.
Congratulations. So does virtually everyone on earth who isn't the government. Even AnCaps believe this. This isn't something special, it's just recognizing that it's unfortunately impractical. :^)
>And from what I understand National Socialism did an excellent job of that
Then you need to get off /pol/ for a bit, anon.
>until they were defeated by every other major power in the world for daring to go against the international global banks.
They were defeated by a tiny nation trying to maintain its power struggle across the world, a bunch of frogs, some backwoods faggots across the ocean who had to expend massive logistics just to get to their shores in the first place (and only came because they were dumbasses sinking American merchant vessels), and a bunch of snowniggers throwing potatoes because they couldn't afford grenades. Three out of four of these economies were suffering a depression/famines and all four of them had provided financial or other forms of aid to Germany to help create their keynesian "boom" they were enjoying. Eat shit.
No.79695
>>79633
Confederates were never /pol/nigger NEETSocs. Hating niggers doesn't make you a stormnigger, it just means you understand better than relaxing around blacks. Get #rekt, scrub.
No.79696
>>79651
How's Trump going for yah, faggot? Still enjoying that 52D chess?
No.79698
Holy shit, this thread done blew up, didn't it?
>>79633
>confederate flag
>/pol/ flag
Anon, what the fuck?
>>79671
>Everybody behaving selfishly may lead to profitable and efficient markets, but not so much for stable and successful civilization.
This is a very obviously self contradicting statement. If it's leading to "profitable" and "efficient" markets, this effectively means that people are providing and consuming goods and services that other people value within a market. This is, in essense, the core of a civilization, it's the people of a given social order living peacefully and, not only that, but also resting at a high standard of living. Man's self-interest (or 'selfishness' if you prefer the less flattering term) is ultimately what provides the ambition for him to help his fellow man by providing them a service or a good, and by such voluntary and cooperative action, building civilization.
If your definition of civilization isn't one in which humans have easy access to resources and live in peace and are free to make their own decisions in regards to their property and the voluntary associations that they may make, then I'd have to say I'm really fucking interested in what your idea of a civilization is.
No.79699
>>79694
Wew, it's truly, unironically entertaining listening to our pet christard rant when he's angry.
No.79700
>>79699
Not upset, anon. Just drunk. It's good to be a plastic paddy on occasion.
No.79703
>>79700
Well that's good to hear.
No.79705
No.79706
>da wey
holy fuck an hero any time
No.79707
>>79694
>Most people can handle their own affairs just fine if you worked a day in your life and actually interacted with them.
Hardly. I've worked plenty of jobs, though admittedly most pretty low skill. From the retail worker to the manual laborer, most folks are fuckin incompetent. Good people, sure, but fucking blind. Most people are herd animals.
>That's not your problem and that's not my problem
It is your problem when the addict robs your home, or when the low impulse control idiot rapes your sister. Just because it hasn't happened to you yet doesn't mean it can't happen.
>Congratulations. So does virtually everyone on earth who isn't the government
Clever. But a racially minded NatSoc government has specific goals to pursue the best interests of their people. We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children, my friend. Nobody else is going to do it for us.
>Then you need to get off /pol/ for a bit
Like I said, I rarely go there. Haven't for a while. It's annoying reading tons of bullshit you can't respond to because you've been banned for bullshit reasons, and getting around the ban is more trouble than it's worth plus only lasts a short while.
>They were defeated by a tiny nation trying to maintain its power struggle across the world, a bunch of frogs, some backwoods faggots across the ocean who had to expend massive logistics just to get to their shores in the first place (and only came because they were dumbasses sinking American merchant vessels), and a bunch of snowniggers throwing potatoes because they couldn't afford grenades
So, in other words, it took a fucking lot to bring them down. All the while Hitler tried negotiating for peace, and that faggot Churchill wasn't having it.
>>79698
> This is a very obviously self contradicting statement. If it's leading to "profitable" and "efficient" markets, this effectively means that people are providing and consuming goods and services that other people value within a market. This is, in essense, the core of a civilization, it's the people of a given social order living peacefully and, not only that, but also resting at a high standard of living
I strongly disagree. There's more to a healthy society than a strong economy, though that definitely helps. Being able to efficiently trade goods doesn't stop someone from predatory practices that hurt far more than they help, but are sufficiently profitable that they can be maintained indefinitely. I agree that oftentimes a selfish motivation can lead to a greater positive outcome, that's part of why capitalism works so well. But it's not without its failings, either.
>>79700
Same. Happy St. Pat's.
No.79709
>>79707
>There's more to a healthy society than a strong economy, though that definitely helps.
This brings about a question, if the free exchange of goods between individuals, a respect for one and consequentially his private property rights, investment and long-term growth, etc are not the defining features of a healthy society (or civilization as we seem to be using the two interchangeably) then I have to ask what is a "healthy society"? And second, why do you think it's something that a government, by way of theft and violence, should have any domain in?
> Being able to efficiently trade goods doesn't stop someone from predatory practices that hurt far more than they help, but are sufficiently profitable that they can be maintained indefinitely.
Such as?
>But it's not without its failings, either.
Such as?
No.79711
No.79713
>>79707
>>79707
>Happy St. Pat's.
Aye and maybe the Emerald Isle be whole and lovely again like the lass in my dreams.
http://www.nationalparty.ie/
No.79716
>>79709
>This brings about a question, if the free exchange of goods between individuals, a respect for one and consequentially his private property rights, investment and long-term growth
Healthy commerce does not necessarily imply a healthy people, or a healthy future. A healthy society is willing to make sacrifices for the future wellbeing of its offspring. Like the old saying goes, society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they'll never sit in. That doesn't happen in a purely capitalistic society, but in one where people are willing to make sacrifices for the sake of future generations.
>Such as?
Walmart. They survive on government intervention to keep them afloat and subsidize their employees wages. You might say well, that's not libertarianism, that's corporatism, and you wouldn't be wrong. But if the government doesn't prioritize the wellbeing of the people over wellbeing of corporations then that's an inevitable result.
>>79709
>This brings about a question, if the free exchange of goods between individuals, a respect for one and consequentially his private property rights, investment and long-term growth, etc are not the defining features of a healthy society (or civilization as we seem to be using the two interchangeably) then I have to ask what is a "healthy society"?
This is not tied into my political views but my ulimate ideals are for mankind to unify the Earth and spread across our solar system, our galaxy, and eventually our universe. I can't stand the thought of all these arguments and disagreements leading to one major catastrophe on Earth (whether it's war, asteroid strike, supernova frying, etc) and closing the book on us for good. Fuck that. We've gotta set shit straight and colonize the stars as soon as possible.
No.79731
>>79683
Government intervention doesn't exactly help in a lot of cases. Prohibition for example just adds violence to the problem of drug addiction.
No.79737
>>79696 (checked)
Those are some sexy double dubs you got there.
No.79749
"It cannot be denied that Fascism and similar movements aiming at the establishment of dictatorships are full of the best intentions and that their intervention has, for the moment, saved European civilization. The merit that Fascism has thereby won for itself will live on eternally in history. But though its policy has brought salvation for the moment, it is not of the kind which could promise continued success. Fascism was an emergency makeshift. To view it as something more would be a fatal error."
No.79750
>>79733
I've noticed that people who post those shitty brainlet memes are usually the biggest "brainlets" themselves.
No.79752
>>79652
>>79653
>>79655
>>79656
>>79657
>>79696
>t. 2% subsaharan african, 7% ashkenazi
>>79658
>muh shitposting and slide threads are free speech
>muh civic nationalism
>muh honorary aryans
>56% being a horrible reminder of how much whites have lost is just a meme bro
You don't represent shit you 1/8 kike. Hitler being soft on useful subhumans was exactly why he fucked up and 56% is a meme in the first place. Literally proves that anti-/pol/ behavior directly correlates with how much garbage genes dilute white blood. No doubt a screen of your (((blood))) will put you on the end of the same firing line as any of the other kikes in this thread.
No.79760
>>79752
Hitler lost because he was a giant fucking sperg.
No.79761
>>79752
>t. 100% subsaharan african
fyi this isn't /pol/, here we actually have to write our posts like white people.
No.79762
>>79752
>he doesn't fight for the proletariat
What value do you offer to the common man?
No.79763
>>79716
>A healthy society is willing to make sacrifices for the future wellbeing of its offspring.
People don't need the state in order to do that, we already do make great sacrifices for our children, this is not contradictory to self-interest. In fact this IS self-interest.
>That doesn't happen in a purely capitalistic society,
So people don't raise their young, spend much in the way of money, nor send them to school in a vaguely capitalistic society? I think you misunderstand human behavior. Sure my son isn't me, but I have a vested interest in seeing him grow as do I have a vested interest in my neighborhood being safe and functional, even the rationale for saving the white race is ultimately nothing but self-interest.
Self-interest and consequentially human action is ultimately what drives the human race and (as said before) builds civilization.
>You might say well, that's not libertarianism, that's corporatism, and you wouldn't be wrong.
Right, so why bring that up then?
>But if the government doesn't prioritize the wellbeing of the people over wellbeing of corporations then that's an inevitable result.
A government that prioritizes the people should be leaving it alone or by perishing. Most of these subsidies and bail-outs are made with the rhetoric of protecting the well-being of people and their jobs, it's obvious that you can't take care of the people by robbing them through a violent institution and handing it to other individuals or businesses. That's how you hinder growth of a people and ultimately the civilization itself.
Governments don't tend to actually have your interests in mind, just forcefully advancing their own on the citizen through taxation and perhaps even democracy. The people within government always have the incentive to expand as an institution, and consequentially, in it's power and the money cost to run it.
>This is not tied into my political views but my ulimate ideals are for mankind to unify the Earth and spread across our solar system, our galaxy, and eventually our universe. I can't stand the thought of all these arguments and disagreements leading to one major catastrophe on Earth (whether it's war, asteroid strike, supernova frying, etc) and closing the book on us for good. Fuck that. We've gotta set shit straight and colonize the stars as soon as possible.
I'm sorry anon but that doesn't answer my question at all. Although I do find it interesting, as I'd never take a nationalist for one who wants a unified world order.
>>79752
> stormniggers being this stormy
wew lad
No.79766
>>79762
>doesn't fight for the proletariat
That's what value he offers. By doing nothing at all, he is already more valuable than some civilization-destroying commie parasite.
No.79774
>>79571
This, desu
Reminder that Keynes was an unabashed totalitarian.
No.79782
>>79733
>charlestoncitypaper
No.79785
>>79782
>nitpicking the name of a source
But hey, as long as you don't have to admit that you're wrong, am I right?
No.80191
>>79750
It's standard textbook projection, why is this such a surprise to anybody?
No.80192
>>79759
This image is way too forced
No.80213
>>79538
Old-school 4chan contrarian humor + world ending supply of weapons grade autism.
No.80564
>>79538
>makes their version of socialism magically more successful than anyone else's
For national socialism:
1. It is less "socialist" than other versions, more like social market economy
2. Welfare is mostly replaced by workfare, wich is more efficient than current gibsmedat
3. Euthanasia, why pay retards just to be alive when you can get rid of them
4. stable currency
For fascism:
Not actualy better than most other socialisms