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 No.72736

So what do you think of this? They provide here an outline of their economic program and refutations of objections from free market supporters. I'm particularly interested how do /pol/lacks and fascists on this board that meme helicopters and champion capitalism reconcile their idol's statism.

http://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/sofortprogramm.htm

Also for any history buffs here, how many of the mentioned points were actually implemented and for how long?

A few examples of what they tackle in here:

F. Commercial and financial measures

1. Foreign trade

>Reducing imports will reduce German exports, and thus result in increased unemployment.

Response: German exports will not be reduced by a decrease in German imports, since we will primarily reduce imports from those countries from which we imported more than we exported, those with which we had a negative balance of payments. According to the official Reich Statistical Office, Germany had a negative balance of payments of about 270 million marks within countries outside Europe during the first quarter of 1932.

>Protecting domestic production will lead to a general increase in prices.

Response: That will not happen, since to the extent German production increases, welfare payments will decline. Public expenses will therefore be lower, and distributed to a larger range of productive activity. There will, therefore, be no new burdens on the economy, but rather a lesser burden.

4. Currency Reform (check this one for their take on the gold standard)

>Giving up the gold standard means inflation, according to the bourgeois-Marxist press.lol "bourgeois-Marxist"

Response: England gave up the gold standard on 21 September 1931. The pound’s rate of exchange fell by 70%, but the domestic purchasing power of the pound remained unchanged. According to Nr. 4, Part A, page 16 of the semi-official Vierteljahrshefte für Konjunkturforschung (volume for 1931/32):

“There were only slight increases in prices. Up to November, wholesale prices increased by about 8%, then declined as a result of developments on the world market. Thus, after a temporary increase, prices fell again. The increase in wholesale prices was largely due to adjustments resulting from prices determined abroad to the revaluation of the pound. Domestic prices were either not affected at all, rose only slightly, or even declined.”

H. Administrative and tax measures

1. Price controls

>This is a harmful intervention by the state.

Response: If prices are reasonable, state intervention is unnecessary. And the freedom of creative economic activity must not be confused with the freedom to ruthlessly exploit others.

K. Industry

2. Nationalization and state supervision

>Any state intervention is harmful.

Response: State intervention, on the contrary, is necessary to protect the economy from the worst damage by the interests of finance capital. State intervention has gotten a bad reputation only because the Marxist parties always intervened in the wrong places. Although the state can administer monopolies much better than private industry, the Marxists gave them over to finance capital (the Dawes and Young Plans gave away the former German Railroad, the match monopoly was given to the big capitalist swindler Kreuger by the Social Democratic Minister of Finance Hilferding), whereas countless unnecessary government concerns were maintained that only competed with craftsmen and manufacturers, producing goods much more expensive and of lower quality than those of private industry.

 No.72760

Looks more like apologia than actual refutations.


 No.72821

>>72736

>Reducing imports will reduce German exports, and thus result in increased unemployment.

Tariffs and importation quotas always reduce prosperity, whether they increase unemployment or not. Ricardo's Law is still as true as it was in the past.

>Response: German exports will not be reduced by a decrease in German imports, since we will primarily reduce imports from those countries from which we imported more than we exported, those with which we had a negative balance of payments. According to the official Reich Statistical Office, Germany had a negative balance of payments of about 270 million marks within countries outside Europe during the first quarter of 1932.

>Balance of payments

Mercantilist bullshit. Currency is not wealth. Shouldn't the Nazis have known, because Gottfried Feder repeatedly hammered that point home? The guy was a heck, but he wasn't wrong on everything.

>Protecting domestic production will lead to a general increase in prices.

It will.

>Response: That will not happen, since to the extent German production increases, welfare payments will decline. Public expenses will therefore be lower, and distributed to a larger range of productive activity. There will, therefore, be no new burdens on the economy, but rather a lesser burden.

That's like saying diet coke isn't unhealthy, because to the extent that you start drinking more of it, you'll do less meth. The welfare state hurts the economy, but so does protectionism.

>Giving up the gold standard means inflation, according to the bourgeois-Marxist press

Not directly, but in practice, it does.

>Response: England gave up the gold standard on 21 September 1931. The pound’s rate of exchange fell by 70%, but the domestic purchasing power of the pound remained unchanged.

Britain didn't give up the gold standard then. From What Has Government Done to Our Money, page 95:

>The gold-exchange standard worked as follows: The United States remained on the classical gold standard, redeeming dollars in gold. Britain and the other countries of the West, however, returned to a pseudo-gold standard, Britain in 1926 and the other countries around the same time. British pounds and other currencies were not payable in gold coins, but only in large-sized bars, suitable only for international transactions. This prevented the ordinary citizens of Britain and other European countries from using gold in their daily life, and thus permitted a wider degree of paper and bank inflation. But furthermore, Britain redeemed pounds not merely in gold, but also in dollars; while the other countries redeemed their currencies not in gold, but in pounds. And most of these countries were induced by Britain to return to gold at overvalued parities. The result was a pyramiding of United States on gold, of British pounds on dollars, and of other European currencies on pounds—the “gold-exchange standard,” with the dollar and the pound as the two “key currencies.”

>According to Nr. 4, Part A, page 16 of the semi-official Vierteljahrshefte für Konjunkturforschung (volume for 1931/32):

>"There were only slight increases in prices. Up to November, wholesale prices increased by about 8%, then declined as a result of developments on the world market. Thus, after a temporary increase, prices fell again. The increase in wholesale prices was largely due to adjustments resulting from prices determined abroad to the revaluation of the pound. Domestic prices were either not affected at all, rose only slightly, or even declined.”

I'm not checking all of this data, days are too short as it is and arguing against a priori statements with empirical evidence is fucking retarded.


 No.72823

File: 7400344dcedc09b⋯.pdf (3.07 MB, Ludwig von Mises - Interve….pdf)

File: 79dfba68d1e5728⋯.pdf (1.12 MB, Ludwig von Mises - Planned….pdf)

Continued:

>>72736

>>72821

>1. Price controls

>This is a harmful intervention by the state.

I guess it's easy to argue against the literature against price controls when you reduce all it says to one single, vague sentence.

>Response: If prices are reasonable, state intervention is unnecessary. And the freedom of creative economic activity must not be confused with the freedom to ruthlessly exploit others.

This doesn't address the main problems of price controls: That they either cause shortages or oversupply, take away resources from where they could be used more productively, and that the logical conclusion of a system of interventionism is socialism.

>Any state intervention is harmful.

See: A thousand pages that Ludwig von Mises has written JUST FOR YOU. Or, the abridged versions of his theories,

>Response: State intervention, on the contrary, is necessary to protect the economy from the worst damage by the interests of finance capital. State intervention has gotten a bad reputation only because the Marxist parties always intervened in the wrong places. Although the state can administer monopolies much better than private industry, the Marxists gave them over to finance capital (the Dawes and Young Plans gave away the former German Railroad, the match monopoly was given to the big capitalist swindler Kreuger by the Social Democratic Minister of Finance Hilferding), whereas countless unnecessary government concerns were maintained that only competed with craftsmen and manufacturers, producing goods much more expensive and of lower quality than those of private industry.

Okay, and here they bitch about the Marxists. Red herring, literally.


 No.72854

File: 186ccc105953127⋯.jpg (121.17 KB, 765x1214, 765:1214, Ditditditditdit2.jpg)

>>72736

>So what do you think of this?

I think your reddit spacing is atrocious.


 No.74205

>>72854

what anime


 No.74209

>>72854

I actually did less reddit spacing than the original document…


 No.74248

>Today, 6 million people’s comrades are unemployed

So, that's who they really killed!


 No.74307

Gotta make one correction to my post:

>>72821

>Mercantilist bullshit. Currency is not wealth. Shouldn't the Nazis have known, because Gottfried Feder repeatedly hammered that point home? The guy was a heck, but he wasn't wrong on everything.

I found out that Gottfried Feder still supported mercantilism. At times, he was possessed of astonishing common sense and realism, only to throw it out the window and accept nonsensical theories like the one that if you lose currency to other countries, you lose real, actual wealth. Nevermind that he - like I said - explicitly denied that the wealth of a nation was its currency.




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