No.72621
The board officially welcomes libertarians of ALL stripes. This includes anarcho-communists and libertarian marxists.
Libertarians should unite with one another, infighting is what the statists want.
No.72622
>>72621
Leftist anarchism is an oxymoron.
No.72624
>Anarcho-Communism
>Liberty
lol
No.72625
>>72622
>>72624
Read the sticky you literal autists
No.72626
>>72621
Are we talking Arm-chair An-coms where everything just magically works out or Real world An-com like the Catalonian "Anarchists" with Purges and Forced impressment?
No.72627
Gommies are against everything /liberty/ stands for you fuggin gommie.
No.72632
Capitalism is inherently authoritarian, it cannot be libertarian.
No.72633
No.72634
>>72621
>Tries to define the board by himself
It is what it is and I am opposed to Socialism being anywhere near me.
No.72636
I get that this is just a propaganda thread and all dude but no fucking communist in their right mind would take the antistatist credentials of these Pinkerton bootlickers seriously and it's foolish to even pretend to be on the side of these control freaks in any sense. They've even go so far as to construct a false dichotomy between security & liberty (even though both terms mean freedom from control lmao) to justify their authoritarian leanings and many here have enthonationalist fascistic leanings.
No.72637
>>72636
Mind you I'm all-too-aware the term "security" can be reversed and used to justify repression but liberty isn't immune to this either.
See: all the third-world countries flattened to dust in the name of muh freedoms. (translation: muh profits)
No.72641
>>72625
How about having an argument instead of just pointing to whatever book or thread no one has ever heard of you shill.
No.72642
>>72637
>See: all the third-world countries flattened to dust in the name of muh freedoms. (translation: muh profits)
Concrete examples? Wanna see if you can make your claim less vague. Name a civil war started by ardent libertarians, or a free market policy that created a famine or a war.
>>72641
>Not reading books
>Never heard of the sticky
And that is your problem, you lazy bum.
No.72643
>>72621
>This is NOT an anti communist board
You cannot simultaneously be a Libertarian and then be a Communist. You either believe in the rights of the individual to his life, his body and his property or you don't. Needless to say, communists are on the latter.
>Libertarians should unite with one another, infighting is what the statists want.
You are genuinely a special type of retard. The reason that libertarians oppose statism is that the state is a violent institution that steals from and rules over a general population. there's no fucking point in supporting others who wish to do much of the same but under a different flag.
>>72632
> If I cannot steal and hurt other people, I am not free!
Wew lad.
No.72650
>>72643
> if somebody wants to sit on a pile of gold, that's their personal use of the pile of gold.
Can you prove this? Can you show me what is there in communist theory that prevents you from being a libertarian (which I do remind you was a leftist term originally)?
No.72651
>>72650
>Can you prove this?
Easy. Go up to someone and attempt to take away their money. Let us know how it goes pls.
No.72652
>>72650
>Can you prove this?
Prove what? You already proved it for me, he's using it as a place to sit. This is such an odd question, that's like saying me sitting on a chair isn't me using the chair. Unless there's some kind of grandiose point you're trying to make, in which case, you certainly haven't made it very successfully.
>Can you show me what is there in communist theory that prevents you from being a libertarian
The part about seizing the means of productions, belief in objective value, etc. I don't really know how you don't know that, but then again It seens you don't know very much.
> Modern day American libertarians share the same beliefs of Libertarians who originally held the term
> mfw
Come on now nigger, you know better than that. Modern day American liberals are not the same as the people who used to call themselves liberals in the late 18th century. You can't be this fucking stupid that you bring this up as though it has anything to do with the subject matter at hand.
No.72654
>>72636
>Pinkerton bootlickers
>implying we aren't the Pinkertons
No.72656
>>72632
>voluntary transactions are authoritarian
damn i hate capitalism now
No.72657
>>72650
>libertarian (which I do remind you was a leftist term originally)
Nope, it was never a political term until 1878:
https://www.etymonline.com/word/libertarian
No.72658
>>72621
I unite with the lefties until they start calling for breaking starbucks windows. It will always remain that way. It's hard to unite with someone when they're being violent and/or your methods of getting shit done are pretty much exact opposites.
No.72659
>>72636
Bait aside, believing niggers gonna nig is not "ethnonationalist fascism" reddit. Believing chinks have no self esteem, niggers are violent shit heads, Mexicans can either be extremely hard working or cholos, Greeks and Italians are lazy fucks, Germans are control freaks, Jews are money-swindlers like Gypsys, etc. is not based in some supremacist nationalist doctrine. It's believing that biological or cultural traits exist and you'd best be prepared to deal with them before they deal with you.
>>72650
>Can you prove this?
Communists don't believe in inheritance, which is an essential function of property rights with the pragmatic/practical purpose of creating future development and wealth creation for others.
>which I do remind you was a leftist term originally
Funny you say that when the individualist anarchists and mutualists generally have more in common with Agorism/AnChrists than with AnSocs/AnComs. Shit, even the Anarcho-Syndicalists have more in common with AnCaps than AnSocs/AnComs. Libertarianism originally referred to the more anarchistic branches of liberty. At best, y'all are libertines.
No.72660
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>>72659
>Communists don't believe in inheritance, which is an essential function of property rights with the pragmatic/practical purpose of creating future development and wealth creation for others.
This.
No.72661
>>72621
>/liberty/ - Liberty
>Non-authoritarian Discussion of Politics, Society, News, and the Human Condition (Fun Allowed)
>Non-authoritarian
This is at the top of literally every single page on this board. Non-authoritarian left-wing politics just do not exist in the real world. Your ideology only attracts two kinds of people: parasites who expect to get out more than they put in, and control freaks who just want to massacre everyone who disagrees with them. Without the option of forcing the rest of society to carry your useless arses, you lot would starve to death even faster than you already do.
No.72667
>>72621
But are anarcho-communists even libertarians (yes, I know they used the word before us.. I just mean is it an accurate descriptor of them, if they do not support liberty)? Are anarcho-communists against the state, or do they just want a state that they don't call a state to redistribute possessions, kill political rivals, etc.?
No.72675
I've always wondered why people consider libertarians to be right-wing in the US. In Europe, there are both libertarian left and libertarian right movements from my experience, and everything in between. I don't get what the idea of libertarianism is supposed to have to do with your standard left-right categorisation.
Also why do Americans use the term "liberal" for progressive left-wing people? Literally the English Wikipedia page says otherwise, and the term is used in a completely different manner anywhere outside of the US. I mean, look:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism
No.72676
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>>72675
>I've always wondered why people consider libertarians to be right-wing
There is no such thing, as a leftwing libertarian.
No.72689
>>72676
>posting a fascist
Nice job disproving your own point you fucking retard
No.72690
>>72675
Because not wanting the.government to do.everything is considered "right wing" in America.
The liberal question requires a lot more US history than I'm willing to try and conjure right now.
No.72701
>>72689
> implying he's a fascist
> implying you even know what fascism is
Nice job disproving your own point you fucking retard
No.72801
>>72632
and this is what happens you have open borders, jeffrey cucks. this is what happened before, this is what is happening now, and this is what will happen.
No.72933
>>72701
>physically remove minorities and anyone who disagrees with our world view
>not fascist
Hoppe is arguing for ethnic cleansing yet you say he isn't a fascist. Lmao.
You obviously don't know what fascism is if you think only the Italian and German governments could be described as fascist.
No.72935
>>72933
Social ostracism=!ethnic cleansing
No.72936
>>72933
>Hoppe is arguing for ethnic cleansing
> mfw
Don't tell me you're actually this fucking retarded. Go back to /pol/ or at the very least read a fucking book before you go around acting as though you have a grasp on someone's ideas when you clearly don't.
No.72937
>>72933
>Hoppe is arguing for ethnic cleansing
How new are you?
No.72938
>>72933
>Hoppe
>Ethnic cleansing
Have you ever READ Hoppe? Not just some meme quote? Citations Pl0x.
No.72946
>>72933
>Hoppe is arguing for ethnic cleansing
Hi, Anarchyball.
Fuck you and kill youself.
No.72954
>be /leftypol/
>constantly fling shit on /liberty/
>people start to resent that
<WOW WHAT IS WITH THE ANTI-COMMUNIST SENTIMENT #notalllefties
Slowly the desire for helicopters is going to beyond memes and you parasites will once again have no one to blame but yourselves.
No.72961
>>72657
He obviously meant libertarian in a political context was leftist originally, not the metaphysical.
No.72978
>>72954
Our mere presence triggers you so you resort to ad-hommunims and we reciprocate that.
At least that's how I see it.
No.72981
>>72978
I am sure it is easy to ignore the catalog full of one and done shitposts since you do the ideological equivalent of "you go girl" when you see them.
No.72982
it is, its a board for liberty and anarchy, the exact opposite of communism
No.73013
>>72946
>>72938
>>72937
>>72936
>>72935
'Physical removal' of undesirable races is the textbook definition of ethnic cleansing you fucking mongoloids. It's the entire reason /pol/faggots praise this crypto-statist piece of shit.
Stop sucking /pol/'s dick and stand for your principles.
No.73019
>>73013
Alright fag. Keep making assertions based on memes. Don't bother actually reading even one short essay written by the faggot to realize he's not talking about ethnic cleansing and just keep believing stupid shit.
It's quite clear in his articles and essays that "physical removal" refers to either:
1) A bouncer removing a violent/rule-breaking client from the establishment.
2) A method of non-interaction (such as not selling shit to commies) that eventually forces the undesirable entity to leave the area willingly and voluntarily.
No.73033
>>73013
>saying lol go away to people is basically rounding them up and sending them to mcdeath camps
Bake that fucking cake, bigot.
No.73048
>>73013
> You actually are retarded
Like I said, read a book nigger.
No.73074
>>73066
I do, every single time, but I never remember anything. It's just completely unremarkable. Not right, but also not so wrong that I cannot help but be outraged.
No.73097
No.73100
>>73097
Why? If it isn't remarkable on a first, a second and a third glance, then making random notes wont change that. Besides, I already read over fifty books a year, so before I add yet another thinker to my list, I need a good reason. So, what's the specific reason I absolutely have to read Bookchin?
No.73101
>>73100
Not him, but what did you read? I can drop the files, I've got the full list.
No.73103
>>73100
Notes will help you remember so you don't have to look him up every time!
No.73132
>>73101
I appreciate the offer, anon. You can upload some files here, or drop a list, and then I can download them and see what to do about them. Specific works are still more than a philosopher who has written an entire library by himself.
And also, I haven't read anything by Bookchin yet.
>>73103
Won't do me any good if I don't know what I should remember. What are his one or two insights that could turn my entire worldview upside down?