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 No.70685

>freedom

>class

>proletariat

>porky

>aryans

>wheatfields

>individualism

>collectivism

These are all spooks and mean nothing. An ideology consisting of Blood & Soil featuring Cyberpunk is the only rational conclusion that can be drawn from looking at the current state of affairs.

 No.70688

What economic policy is consistent with "Blood & Soil"?


 No.70689

>>70685

I like how you put porky and aryans, but not jews, laws, authority, wealth and government as spooks. At least be consistent.


 No.70691

File: 002527cf632c9b3⋯.png (744.22 KB, 597x769, 597:769, Explain Cow.png)

>>70685

>Names the rational conclusion

>Does not name the premises

>Mfw


 No.70696

>>70688

Muh free market with protectionist measures and restriction on production of ethically questionable goods (e.g. MLP, porn, etc.)

>>70689

None of those you've mentioned are spooks.

>>70691

They're summed up in the image tbh


 No.70697

File: 04291a66ca71924⋯.pdf (1.24 MB, Ludwig von Mises - Omnipot….pdf)

>>70696

>Muh free market with protectionist measures

PDF related. Ricardo was right, you're wrong, autarky is a pipedream, buying cheaper foreign cars means you have cheaper fucking cars and can allocate your capital somewhere it's more productive, and Jesus Christ I cannot understand why we have this discussion even nowadays when mercantilism has been thoroughly blown out the water time and time again. Is it so hard to listen to reason and not aesthetic preference when coming up with a system of economics?

>restriction on production of ethically questionable goods (e.g. MLP, porn, etc.)

Oh boy, paternalism again. Can we just leave the nation state out of morality for a second? It's not even remotely qualified. Leave that shit to the Church and the communities.

>They're summed up in the image tbh

Nice shitposting.


 No.70698

>>70696

>free market

>protectionist measures and restriction on production of ethically questionable goods

Pick one.


 No.70699

>>70696

>free market with protectionist

Do you even understand what you're saying?

This is one of the problem with the Alt-right, they have no underline doctrine. It doesn't tell you how to arrange one's institutions in society or its governing principle. The only thing they focus on is identity, which really isn't a principle but a value, something one would like to preserve. Which there's nothing wrong with that, everyone has a preference. However, It kinda hard to deduce truth from identity alone.

Especially economic truths.


 No.70700

>>70698

So to you a free market exclusively means being able to produce copious amounts of niggerdogshitfuckporn and sell it to 5 year olds? Are you really so scared that someone is going to take away your dildo collection?


 No.70701

File: 14e72f5d28256d9⋯.jpg (57.48 KB, 624x531, 208:177, 14e72f5d28256d9cc2981c8b85….jpg)

>>70700

>the state should raise my kids for me

>why should I have to put any effort at all into keeping an eye on what media they consume?


 No.70702

>>70696

>None of those you've mentioned are spooks.

As I said, at least be consistent. Even a Stimerfag is more principled than you.


 No.70703

>>70701

Raising your children without any influence from the state and its institutions is not a feasible option. You can Varg it but you'll end up with children that are not able to interact properly with strangers.


 No.70704

>>70703

Btw, vidya, internet and musicians with questionable values do ruin a childs mind, saying "haha lol it was the parents' responsibility" is a cheap cop out.


 No.70705

>>70704

>"haha lol it was the parents' responsibility" is a cheap cop out.

lol why?


 No.70710

>>70703

>Raising your children without any influence from the state and its institutions is not a feasible option.

Fucking Christ, this is indoctrination at its finest. The State is not society, its an monopoly of force that control ones property illegitimately. The state doesn't produce what it has not already taken from the people. You don't need a state to produce schools for your child to go to in order to interact with people.


 No.70711

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>>70705

Gotta agree with the nadsee here

Parental influence is being massively overrated tbh. These people are here to feed you until you can feed yourself, they’re not meant to be your mentors or spiritual guides. These were usually found outside of the family.

Social desirability, shame and fear of punishment/being socially ostracized are far more influential on our character and what we do and what we don’t do than your dad telling you to stay woke fam.


 No.70713

>>70705

blaming bad parenting for everything is just an easy and convenient way to pass the buck.


 No.70714

>>70713

for example, i enjoyed poor parenting but i'm a great guy :^)


 No.70716

>>70713

>blaming bad parenting for everything

strawman


 No.70723

>>70699

This all the way.

>>70703

Society is not the state. Come on, that's one of the basics in political philosophy

>>70710

And this, too.


 No.70724

>>70685

Honestly fam, Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn, Bertrand de Jouvenel, and Saint Thomas Aquinas might be your guys. They are good reactionaries, except Aquinas, who was, well, medieval. Edward Feser and Ralph McInerny wrote some good stuff on Aquinas' ethics and metaphysics (which are closely related).

On economics, von Mises is still unbeatable. Only Rothbard could improve on him, and he trained Rothbard. Von Mises didn't come up with every single good idea in economics, but almost every good idea up to him had been incorporated into his system, and every good idea after him was inspired largely by him.


 No.70725

>>70713

The public school system certainly isn't helping.


 No.70726

File: 15fac27ccc024c8⋯.jpg (218.98 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, i fucked your dad.jpg)

>>70724

>watch me namedrop authors of books i haven't read so neckbeards on the internet will think i have a point even though i don't


 No.70727

>>70726

At least that's more specific than the communist catch all rebuttal of "read a book".


 No.70728

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>>70723

>Society is not the state. Come on, that's one of the basics in political philosophy

The state is the result of the society that it originated from and vice versa, acting a fool and pretending these two aren’t intertwined in this context, is a sign of either ignorance or dishonesty.


 No.70729

>>70726

>haven't read

This isn't /leftypol/


 No.70731

>>70728

Even if that was the case, that still doesn't mean the state is necessary.


 No.70747

>>70726

I did read them all, besides Aquinas, because I'm still not through the secondary literature on him and he's very complex, not to mention old. Nothing you jump into, especially considering the Summa Theologica is a good 4000 pages long and he's still got other, more specialized works. Still, the secondary literature - Feser, Inerny, and MacIntyre, that filthy commie - is already enough to destroy nihilism and emotivism, for those who are dense enough to read through Hoppe or Rothbard and still think "ethics" is a "spook".

Von Kuehnelt-Leddihn shows how the Nazis were leftist, egalitarian and progressive and why identitarianism of all kinds is retarded.

Bertrand de Jouvenel shows how our conceptions of sovereignty and freedom have changed over the centuries, talks about the limits of social friendship and cohesion more generally, and destroyed paternalism.

I can run their arguments down, but the last weeks, I've made bad experiences here. That's why I limit myself to namedropping authors: If he's remotely interested, he'll at least google the names, and that might spark his interest. Then I also know how to continue talking to him, if I should abandon thread or instead answer questions asked in good faith.


 No.70752

>>70711

>These people are here to feed you until you can feed yourself, they’re not meant to be your mentors or spiritual guides

i recommend you to read janusz korwin mikke


 No.70775

>>70685

>blood and soil

Spook

>cyberpunk

spook

My Property… we need to talk about your spooks.


 No.71210

>>70775

My property, we need to talk about science.


 No.71234

>>70700

The problem with /pol/ is that you don't realise that the state can't regulate degeneracy away. If you want to do that, you have to work at the cultural level, not the political level. Having porn on the free market won't make it any worse, it'll just prevent it from being taken over by the black market which will inevitably make it worse as the sex workers are all crack whores and don't have any rights.


 No.71235

>>71234

>the state can't regulate degeneracy away.

You absolutely can, look at North Korea


 No.71236

>>71235

North Korea is meme-tier. You're not helping your case by pointing to a country where people fertilize crops with human shit.


 No.71237

>>71236

>fertilize crops with human shit.

It's organic and self-sustaining


 No.71239


 No.71241

>>71239

>ny times reporting on enemy state

>not propaganda

good goy


 No.71243

File: 5cee0538e8bff61⋯.jpg (155.07 KB, 544x600, 68:75, 5cee0538e8bff61da3ce32253d….jpg)

>>71241

>anything that makes grorious best korea look backwards and shitty is propaganda


 No.71255

>>71237

Human feces in particular don't make for a good fertilizer. You should never be using even pure animal manure on your crops.


 No.71256

>>71243

We all know NY Times are a bunch of Right Wingers


 No.71278

>>71256

Feel free to point out the part of the article that's made up to slander dear reader Kim Jong Un and his perfect Utopia, because all I see is:

>here is a man who recently defected from north korea

>he nearly died because of the dozens of foot long worms in his guts

>this happened because of human shit being used as fertilizer


 No.71281


 No.71283

>>71281

>claims porn is widespread in nork yet delivers no evidence this is really the case

>south korean propaganda packs are being dropped over nork containing porn = norks are totally into porn

You're not even trying here


 No.71305

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>71283

Would be pretty interesting if they had a way to smuggle porn when everyone is legally forced to listen to propaganda even when at home. When do they find time to THINK on their own to bother with porn? Even if they did have porn it would have to glorify Kim's cock in some way.


 No.71307

>>70685

>blood and soil

Jawohl Obergruppenführer Citronella!

you NEETSocs are all cancer


 No.71309

>>71307

what else do you have other than blood and soil once your shekels are gone?


 No.71310

File: b521d257825fdaa⋯.png (118.1 KB, 1575x2528, 1575:2528, liberty or equality - do y….png)

>>71309

Our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ? Don't take every progressive meme at face value, anon.


 No.71312

>>71310

>Our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ?

So your answer is skyjews?


 No.71314

>>71283

>fails to read the references

>pornography is smuggled into NK

>there is a black market for pornography in NK

>claims NK regulates degeneracy away while pornography is smuggled into country

wew lad


 No.71315

>>71314

The sources are a joke, calm your gookhate that you inherited from your grandpappy for a second


 No.71316

And if South Korea is really dropping pornography over North Korea, then the former is the one that deserves to be bombed into smithereens tbh


 No.71317

>>71310

How does Calvinism have any relation to capitalism?


 No.71318

>>71312

Heathens, get out, tbh.

>>71317

Calvinists loved commercialism and hard work. They didn't invent free trade, and they hated consumption of pretty much anything, and they were assholes, but they gave ideological support to capitalism that was largely missing before.


 No.71334

>>71318

>Heathens

I'm chaos-gnostic tbh


 No.71699


 No.71701

>>71699

It's the edgiest thing I've looked up this week:

>The Misanthropic Luciferian Order (MLO) is an occult order founded in Sweden in 1995 and later renamed to Temple of the Black Light.

>The MLO planned to release Liber Azerate, a grimoire written by the order's Magister Templi Frater Nemidial, in 2002.[1] It was released on the internet in Swedish and Norwegian. Azerate is the hidden name of the "eleven anti-cosmic gods" described in the book. A related musical work is the 2006 Dissection album Reinkaos, the lyrics of which were co-written by Frater Nemidial, and which album Jon Nödtveidt explained was "based on the book Liber Azerate and the teachings of MLO".[2] The MLO propagate "Chaos-Gnostic Satanism" or "Current 218".


 No.71898

>>71317

read max weber


 No.71924

File: 3b5ece28fb9a185⋯.jpeg (612 KB, 2048x1375, 2048:1375, pol.jpeg)

>>70685

</pol/


 No.71941

>>71924

>Sinaids Mccarthy

>Not Shillead McLARPy


 No.71942

>>71924

Honestly mate, I don't even know half of these people


 No.72237

>>71942

>not knowing trump


 No.75387

>>70696

free market is more Jew bullshit. accept Totalitarian Darth Vaderism or perish.


 No.75407

>>70685

>blood

>soil

>not spooks


 No.75444

>>70691

the premise? I dunno that jews are biologically predisposed to criminality and hivemind. basically jews are niggers.


 No.75445

>>71942

you must live in a rural area that's mostly white. you're lucky.


 No.75446

>>71318

I'm Christian and hate commercialism of any kind, hell modernism of any kind unless it relates to military advancement.


 No.75447

>>71701

as LARPy as Satanism usually is, at least MLO and Liber 333 have their shit together. the only LaVeyan I like is Boyd Rice and that's because of his music and Wicca, well unless you're a bulldyke or a new age whore its not much use to anyone.


 No.75452

I do like watching this ASMR camwhore. I tend to like women with brains and intelligence but this'll do until I find a woman who isn't a vapid cunt like ones I've dated in the past.

sorry I wouldn't let me embed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwvoiXrQJoM&t=114s


 No.75468

>>75452

Serious question, how do people manage to enjoy ASMR? Hearing all those sounds in such detail is annoying as heck.




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