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 No.70511

Can we have one? I think Mises is the single best economist there is. Not just for coming up with his theories - he codified a lot that others before him found out, after all - but also for his precise and clear writing style, and for the fact that he kept the tradition of a priori economics around when the whole world was against it. He fled his country to escape the Nazis; his entire library was burned down by them, and he never held another tenure in his life. He couldn't even speak English when he arrived in America. Still, he managed to get back up and turned America into the stronghold of Austrian Economics that it is today.

 No.70598

>>70511

isnt a priori a bad thing?


 No.70610

>>70598

No. Not in philosophy and the social sciences. Nigga, learn your methodology! It isn't easy but it's insanely rewarding for the effort.


 No.70618

>>70598

depends on what you want to do

a-priori economics (outside of meta-economics) is not something I would pay any mind to though, it's just idealism and maybe ethics


 No.70665

>>70618

dont you like idealism as a commie?


 No.70677

>>70665

not at all, marxist socialism is distinctly materialist.


 No.70678

>>70665

Commie is right, but you probably meant something different. Commies are idealists in the sense that they have an ideal. You probably confused it with philosophical idealism, which is hard to define. Just think of it as the opposite of materialism.


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 No.73004

>>70677

too much materialist

you downplay ideas


 No.73017

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>>72802

>My dialectic method is not only different from the Hegelian, but is its direct opposite. To Hegel, the life process of the human brain, i.e., the process of thinking, which, under the name of “the Idea,” he even transforms into an independent subject, is the demiurgos of the real world, and the real world is only the external, phenomenal form of “the Idea.” With me, on the contrary, the ideal is nothing else than the material world reflected by the human mind, and translated into forms of thought.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/p3.htm


 No.73020

>>73017

>My idealist methodology is no longer idealist because I changed the dialectical inputs

Any dialectical methodology is inherently idealist by its assumption of two pure antitheticals.


 No.73021

File: a626ec913b07293⋯.png (354.87 KB, 1400x656, 175:82, misesCalculation.png)


 No.73025

>>73020

> assumption of two pure antitheticals.

I don't know of any dialectical method that does that.


 No.73042

>>73025

The existence of antitheticals implies a purity of essence in each wherein synthesis occurs, otherwise they wouldn't be antitheticals. Or does Hegel not treat his dialectical method (thesis + antithesis → synthesis) as the fundanental aspect of reality? To assume the primacy of matter over consciousness is to deny that epistemic understanding can be derived from thought, upon which the notion of antithetical concepts rely. A dialectical relationship presupposes thought, since there is no other reason to assert that two interacting entities are actually opposites. Dialectical methods are inherently idealistic, while metaphysical methods can be either idealistic or materialistic.


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 No.73058

>>73042

> (thesis + antithesis → synthesis)

That's not Hegel's dialectical method.


 No.73073

>>73046

>Christmas

>Reposting a repost of a repost

This image is why some of us keep making analogies between math and praxeology. Not because we think this resolves every single problem anyone may have with praxeology, but because it shows that empiricism has limits, and math is one of them. Praxeology is another limit, but that makes praxeology no less scientific than math or logic.


 No.73106

>>73058

I'm oversimplifying it by limiting it to two entities, but that was my understanding of Hegel's dialectics. The important bit is that things are examined as relational rather than individual.


 No.73113

>>73046

But he does explain shit. He literally does explain why and how. Why would you bother reading that before posting though?


 No.73131

>>73113

This. I looked it up again, there's over a hundred and fifty pages in Human Action on what action is, what its conditions are, how we can derive economic laws from the action axiom, and all that stuff. Basically, a sixth of the entire treatise is about nothing but methodology. No other book I've found so far explained in such detail, upfront, what it was going to do.




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