/liberty/ - Liberty

>becomes huge bernie fan, people i was subscribed to reinforced this

Do you have no critical thinking skills and can only believe in what you are told? That might be too abrasive, what I am trying to ask is why you would be a bernie fan ever

Well I'd say my journey is still ongoing but so far I was raised in a conservative household in a liberal state. So that provided me some perspective on both sides. Mind you this was during Bush's administration so I remember all the liberal talking points of that time very well. I first learned about Ron Paul in middle school and thought he was cool and got into libertarianism through him. I learned of the party and thought that was the standard of libertarianism only to learn later in highschool of other libertarian thinkers. I had some level of sympathy for ancoms during highschool and thought direct democracy was a good idea. I used to read RT News a lot in high school since they would cover stuff the american media never covered and became pissed at Obama and the liberals for their hypocrisy as he continued the wars yet the liberals pretend that this never happened until Trump became president they acknowledged it. Through online interactions I've become less sympathetic to ancoms and have learned about Rothbard, Hayek and Milton during college. Also, I'm not supportive on direct democracy being the cure to all our political problems. I'm still a minarchist but I'm still learning about other thinkers like Lysander Spooner and real life solutions to government services like Threat Management center as an alternative to the police. Still learning but a good journey so far.

>>68199

I didn't know economics, to put it simply

I realised that the desire for capital encourages entrepreneurs to invest their time and resources into businesses, which leads to other people being employed and paid money which they can use to buy from other people which increases overall wealth and happiness. The pie keeps growing bigger, and more people benefit.

Capital is a miracle.

>Be law student

>Economically illiterate

>Democrat

>Socially liberal

>Strong belief in justice and individualism tho

>Meet friend online who's an anarchist

>We talk a lot about politics

>Eventually, she sends me a .pdf of For a New Liberty

>Read it

>Anarchywtf.jpg

>Prepare to refute it like I was taught on RationalWiki

>Realize everything kinda makes sense

>Ponder it for months

>Read online FAQ's, more libertarian literature, converse with libertarians online, and read dissenting opinions

>Gradually go from libertarian to ancap

>Still keep reading

>Pick up more dissenting opinions

>None of them convinces me

>Unleash full ancap-mode

>Become economically literate enough to explain monetary theory to relatives

>Learn about Hoppe and von Kuehnelt-Leddihn and become more conservative

>anarchomonarchistfreemarketcolonialism.bmp

>>68204

>Have you actually tried reading and not just going with the flow?

This, to be quite honest.

>Have you read something from the other side?

I have, but there's many "other sides" for me. I've read liberals, democrats, fascists, nazis, marxists, classical liberals, ancoms, primitivists… You won't believe how hostile the early von Kuehnelt-Leddihn was to capitalism. Then he became friends with von Mises and said in an essay he was ashamed of his early views. And Rothbard was never anything but hostile to the ancien regimé. Von Mises always believed in the democratic method (with some reservations) and he thought anarchism was a silly belief not worthy of refutation. Even in a libertarian circlejerk, there's a lot of diversity of opinion.

>>68205

>Capital is a miracle.

Literally brought me to God.

>>68204

>Have you read something from the other side?

There are many other sides but I've been meaning to read some leftist stuff to understand them better.

Now, to something general around conversion: A good, healthy, successful conversion should always feel like you're actualizing yourself, not denying yourself. It comes with new struggles and feelings of guilt, but afterwards, you should feel more true to yourself than ever before. Anarchocapitalism appealed to me because I always had an individualist bent. I was always disgusted of the thought of subordination to some "greater whole", and when I had my edgy utilitarian teenage phase, it always felt wrong. For that reason, it was also the abstract moral principles that appealed to me, not any utilitarian considerations. All I wanted to know was whether these principles could serve as the basis of a social order and whether there would be widespread suffering in that social order. Beyond that, consequentialist arguments didn't appeal to me very much, which is also why I didn't seriously learn economics until six months or so after I became an ancap.

What anarchocapitalism is still missing, although that's a feature and not a glitch, is a positive morality to go along with the negative. I never liked the idea that some libertarians have that positive morality is just a matter of opinion, that the choice of not giving a homeless guy a few euros/dollars/pounds was a matter of personal preference like going to the cinema. That's what cultural conservativism, Christianity and Fist of the North Star filled out for me. I wouldn't still use my flag if I thought that commandments of positive morality could be enforced, of course. You have a moral duty to be generous, but how you are generous is up to you. Even in cases where generosity demands a very particular action from you, your choice would be meaningless if someone else forced it on you.

My journey is very different from other voluntaryists, as I didn't start out in a conservative or liberal household; In fact, I grew up in a Asian family that was very apolitical. We moved to the US where I was born, and years later my family moved back to Indonesia. I was culture shocked, and thought it was poor and dirty compared to the US, still holding onto my love of the states. And then I was enrolled at a series of private schools where I got bullied and ostracized by both the students and teachers. I became extremely self-conscious and insecure. I didn't know how to cope, so I kept to myself with the internet as an emotional crutch when everyone else wasn't there for me.

I would go online and watch gaming videos, and on one of the channels I was subscribed to, I found a video about SOPA and PIPA. I was intrigued and wanted to know more, so I searched and eventually found Alex Jones' channel. It wasn't about SOPA and PIPA, but I felt a desire to watch more of his videos and listen to his shows, and so I became an American nationalist. I would continue to watch Alex Jones until the 2014 Ebola scare where I found out his predictions about Ebola coming to the US were bullshit. After I felt betrayed, I went over to the late ranting community, which later became the skeptic community, and listened to the likes of the Amazing Atheist, TL:DR, Armored Skeptic, and Thunderf00t. I found a new mass movement where I could belong, despite the fact I never interacted with anyone, both when I was a nationalist and a liberal. As time went on, I slowly transitioned from a classical liberal to a socialist when I was told to support Bernie Sanders, which I did until I watched a video that convinced me that Bernie Sanders was a bullshiter as well.

Feeling betrayed again, I decided to withdraw from the skeptic community, I would still watch their videos, but I always felt frustration and disappointment, as I always did while being involved in politics. It wasn't until I happened upon ThatGuyT's video refuting the Amazing Atheist through an episode of the Drunken Peasants Podcast that I began to question politics altogether. He would make compelling and rational arguments against government policies, and my mind started to click. I got so interested that I decided to watch LearnLiberty, Anarchyball, and read the Most Dangerous Superstition by Larken Rose. I finally understood what was wrong with politics, and never felt happier. This was a movement that new how to fight the right fight, and there was no way we could possibly lose, until it hit me.

Fast forward to today and I feel both jaded and despondent about the movement. There's so much infighting and necessity arguments even when the philosophy is so simple. There's also the fact that most voluntaryists activities do little to nothing to advance liberty. It only gives them the illusion of having done something worthwhile. It's slacktivism at it's best. I realized we were just like any other mass movement, with our yellow journalistic news media, ideological teddy bears, scams, and shitty people and organizations. I've mostly quit the liberty movement. Only coming back once in a while to see if anything's changed for the better. Although, I'm starting to realize that's an ever decreasing possibility. All I'm getting from staying in this movement is frustration, despair and commiserating. I'm still a voluntaryist, but I'm done as far as activism's concerned, so I've decided to focus on my true passion, art and critiquing. I spent so much time trying to rationalize politics and art, and I've decided to forego politics. It's like sludge to spring water.

>>68213

kewl

>>68204

>implying open source is leftist

Intellectual property is a cronyist distortion of the market

t. Stephen Kinsella

>be me

>raised by liberal fruitcakes during the bush years, but something about distrusting government stuck around in the obama years

>start using imageboards in high school, start distrusting government more and becoming less and less of a fag

>start learning more about the civil war and learn that small governments can't be trusted to stay small, therefore we have to do without entirely

>>68222

>making assumptions of claims a poser never made purely based off of a meme pic they posted.

I've never implied that.

i got into korwinism because it was edgy and i was a teenager and then i got interested more in edgy political ideologies

>>68195

>Story time about how you came to be where you are now ideologically.

I never really consciously politic'ed growing up.

I came into a more libertarian position after reading Prometheus Rising, Illuminatus! and Schrodinger's Cat; all by Robert Anton Wilson. At the same time (kind of) I watched/listened to his lectures entertainments & interviews, which certainly helped. (only started reading after gradutaing high school and entering NEETdom)

Only after/during this did I begin applying the label of libertarian/anarchist to my political-ethical position. Though, looking back I had unconsciously adopted liberty-focused ideas from browsing 4/pol/ circa 2013 (my final year of High School) – but if you'd asked me then I probably would've sperged and possibly also edgetarded into answering NatSoc or something.

I haven't really read any of the /liberty/ 'classic' authors (aside from memes, infographics and the like) and as such I rarely, if ever, post.

t. NEET

P.S: Before anyone asks I'm not reading the classics of liberty because I'm not reading anything right now due to battling with my own stupidity a.k.a. depression

>>68195

Was as Centrist throughout my teens. Got confronted from different camps, but nothing seemed to sound reasonable. One day I decided to stop supporting something I couldn't explain properly, which was Capitalism and Private Property, so I picked up the first mainstream economic treatise anyone can think of - "The Wealth Of Nations".

>inb4 why not Das Kapital

You know damn well it's only a "critique" of Capitalism. Muh setting blueprints for the future en shiet. There is no such thing as "Marxist Economics".

I was also dabbling in philosophy. Mostly just Nietzsche, Schopenhauer and Jaspers. Never got deep enough into Sartr and Heidegger. Later in my early twenties after college, which was populated by a mix of Nationalists and Progressives, I came across Ron Paul and Ayn Rand, and my "real" entry into a more serious Philosophical though began. By that, I mean wasn't reading it just to say I had read it and could cite parts of it. I wanted real answers to real questions with practical implications. No more vague, loose interpretations of abstract naval gazing. Read pretty much everything from Ron and the essential from Rand. Somewhere reading along I came across the Mises Institute website.

>oh shit, free books

Read a bit of Mises and all of Bastiat and was still not that far from Center Right. I was not even a Minarchist. Inevitably, thanks to all the maymays I finally found Hoppe. I loved his lectures, still refusing to take his reasoning at face value and consider Anarchy.

>Democracy: The God That Failed

Was always very skeptical of Democracy for personal reasons and this was a very welcome read.

>ohhI'mFuckkinCumming.webm

Our Hoppe Daddy taught us not to be ashamed of our Rational reasoning. Next came in unspecific order Human Action, A Theory Of Socialism and Capitalism, The Great Fiction, Menger's Principles, Theory and History, Socialism, For a New Liberty, Anatomy of The State, No Treason and others. At some point I got tired of pretending to be a "reasonable moderate" and got off my high horse. Didn't entirely dump Rand or Ron, but became as close to a "Hoppean" while taking in a good measure of Mises and Rothbard.

I'm still working on building up my knowledge of Economics and Philosophy. I ended up enjoying exactly what I was always saying I hated before. I hated "Politics". I hated Economics and thought trade is a zero sum game and Objective value exists, but only I'm smart enough to observe it and the rest disregard it because they're not as enlightened. I thought Ideals were a nuisance and living the good life meant being without principles and convictions. That has definitely changed. I still occasionally read something from the opposition, though it's not with any expectation of being presented with good reasoning, but instead to understand their better. I don't have to agree to act like others, but I have to know why they act if I am to confront them. Besides, the more I understand them the less genuine hatred I feel.

>>68204

people i subscribed to made videos on economics, the nature of government, all that jazz, and that's really how i stopped following herd mentality when it came to politics reading is for nerds anyways

>>68271

i wasn't the brightest bulb in the shed im still not

>>68243

what will you be doing in the navy?

>>68324

Hurry up and waiting. Hopefully on a ship.

Almost entirely maintenance or intelligence gathering stuff involving secret if not top secret clearance. I can't say more than that without revealing the designation codes it would fall under letting someone look me up at a later date.

>>68325

Hope you don't get sent to Korea or Japan.

>>68325

Lying is a sin.

>>68351

btw tfw i cannot sin yet im atheist

>>68350

Even if I did, I'd probably just be sitting on the ship looking at data, or fixing shit, or cleaning shit. I've got more to worry about merchant vessels when I go in than I do enemy combatants according to the news and friends.

>>68351

If I wanted to lie I'd claim I was joining SEALs or some other bullshit. I'm joining maintenance crew or one of the IT-maintenance crossover positions. I don't want to say specific designations because it would make it easier for a faggot anon to gleam what I'm specifically going into and (try) to track me down. The secret clearance part isn't a lie- the fags require secret clearance/top secret for really fucking stupid shit. I've pretty much given up on one position I really wanted (cryptological network technician) because top secret clearance is mandatory and is likely impossible for me to obtain given my anarchist friends IRL. Had an acquaintance at my old retail job who worked in processing for clearance for 30ish years (he was retired and just wanted something to do so he didn't waste away at home so he handled the gas station) tell me flat out I'd almost certainly get denied top secret, but could probably get secret.

>>68363

More like you can't not sin.

>>68363

Your life is sinful, to get to heaven you must complete sacraments to raise your grace xp and raise your divine level and after a certain level you will be able to get to the heaven level where you will train to fight the boss of the game, Satan. Not going through the sacrament of baptism is not even starting the game and you will be trapped in the limbo loading screen

t. Catholicism pro

>socially liberal and economically illiterate but apolitical

>learn about NewDeal/Fed during the Great Depression and realize how retarded the policies were

>learn micro/macro in college but still economically illiterate

>learn how shit taxes are and how incompetant bureaucracy is when started working

>follow atheist/AGW debates on youtube which lead me to UHC debates

>learned that USA had a form of UHC that created artificially high rates via limited residencies for doctors

>learned how this is applicable to other state policies

>be me

hello Reddit

I don't remember any specific details, but I slowly developed the sense that I am the only person who cares about my well being. The government, my family, my employers, women all just want to benefit from my existence. I got into MGTOW after being taken advantage of by a few females. Decided to stop feeding parasites and to look after myself.

TL/DR: I got older and became more selfish

>>68368

>can't not

wew lad

>>68368

catholic would say i sin

>Watch That Guy T on YouTube about 3 years ago

>Google "anarcho-capitalism"

<"wow very cool"

>become ancap

Pretty easy. I just love freedom.

I now call myself a Voluntaryist or Anarcho-capitalist Voluntaryist, to emphasise the point that Ancap is based on voluntary interactions (I see no difference between an ancap and a voluntaryist).

>>68435

i had first communion and baptism i was not asked whether i want it tho

>>68798

ur nap was violated m8

>Went to Christian school when I was young

>Taught lots of fucking bullshit and warped historical scientific facts

>I hate it there

>Hear about the Iraq war on TV all the time because my parents watched Fox News all day

>Grew to despise the genocidal maniac known as George W Bush

>crash of 2008 happens

>have to go to public school because my dad got fucked by the IRS and drank away the rest of his money

>Go to public school

>It sucks even more, not because of pure content alone, but because of ineptitude

>We're wasting our taxes on this shit

>had started browsing 4chan around 2007 because my parents were never there for me

>Shit all over Bush online

>Basically start worshiping the founding fathers

>Became a staunch atheist because of the theocrat neocons in our government

>Put up with race baiting out the fucking ass, but I still hold to my humanitarian principals

>fucking hate Obama, call him King Nigger to piss off moralists even though I really don't hate black people

>Literally cry for weeks when Ron Paul dropped the election in 2012 ; ; I still do sometimes

>It metastasized when I get into college because they're all commies

>I just want to be free

I've met lots of really cool people in my journey through life. I want to make a difference in the world, and Libertarianism has reinforced my life-long appreciation of my country.

social views never changed, in fact I probably became more reactionary over time.

economics used to be libertarian but my econ is basically New Economy Policy plus Merchantilism

>>75605

This is the most reddit post I've ever seen in my life

>>68195

So the """""skeptic""""" community turned you into a fucking retard?

What a surprise.

>>75707

I'm not the one who got my ideological awakening from neckbeard 'skeptic' youtube celebs.

>>75714

Did you even read the post? Subscribing to skeptic channels was the beginning, bluepill part.

>>75704

rationalism is cancer. Spinoza and Descartes should've died of AIDS.

I also do my own channel but its over everyone's head

>>75775

Didn't know we had people that young here.

>>75811

Most people using chans are in High school or in college, they were eleven years old or less back in 2007.

Started getting interested in the structures and patterns of society and realized how much these social norms were interfering with my personal will. From here on out I was set to the path of anarchism, but I strayed and meddled with reactionary /pol/tardedness and idealistic communism before settling on mutualism.

>>75844

Which explains the low IQ of /pol/ and /leftypol/.

>>75811

I'm 23, just late to the party

>>75811

M8 I'm 19

>>75893

My story's pretty similar to several others on here, so I'll give the Reader's Digest condensed version:

>semi-conservative dad, apolitical mom (1st gen immigrant so she doesn't give a shit about local politics)

>grow up in the most bluepilled city in the midwest

>Didn't have much exposure to economics before high school, had vaguely left-wing thoughts on "muh social safety net" but independently thought of social issues in paleolibertarian terms (if you're a dumbass who thinks amphetamines are a good afternoon snack, natural selection will give you what's coming to you, that kind of mindset)

>Began thinking about things in market terms after reading a Dawkins book on evolution I was a bit of a fedora-tipper as a little shit

>Premise of book was that selfishness was evolutionary advantageous, not altruism

>Used game theory to show this analytically later in the book

>take AP macro and learn about goobergrape at about the same time

>Former makes me really disillusioned on leftist policy, get really into laughing at naive leftists because it vindicates my cynicism

>still somewhat bluepilled on economics because macro class in a liberal school

>"What about monopolies, and equity concerns?"

>get little more exposure to economics because I've started to browse h8chan, courtesy of goobergrape

>suddenly connect economics with the evolutionary game theory I read before

>wtf I love libertarianism now

>it all comes together

>thisisn'tevenmyfinalform.png

>read For a New Liberty, go full ancap

>read Democracy the God that Failed, learn the truth of democracy

>I now spend my days browsing the chans and either laughing or internally screaming at the leftists that surround me and my bubble of shitlords in uni

>>75894

>most bluepilled city in Midwest

so Minneapolis or Chicago?

>>75896

Lovely little place called Ann Arbor. Chicago might have a greater number of lefties, but we have a greater concentration that are further left. Imagine if you carved out a piece of San Francisco and dropped it in lower Michigan

>>68274

>>68195

>he literally got his social and economic beliefs from watching le rational YouTube skeptics

that's pretty embarrassing, & reinforces the usual stereotype of e-libertarians

>>68204

>people i subscribed to made videos on economics, the nature of government, all that jazz, and that's really how i stopped following herd mentality when it came to politics reading is for nerds anyways

oh dear. please stop embarrassing everybody.

>>75775

>>75894

if you still say things like "sjw", "shitlord" etc. you really should leave this board.

>>76210

>>76211

Go be a tripfag somewhere else

>>76210

>>76211

Hey there friend! I just wanted to welcome you to our vibrant little community! Tripfriends are highly encouraged almost as much as soyposting is! Don't listen to those hateful bigots, they have already probably been banned by our watchful moderators who respect minorities so make yourself feel at home and tell your friends on facebook and reddit about us too.

Let's build a happy online community full of soyposting and friendship together!

>High School

Really interested in political theory and want to introduce myself to it so where better to start than with the forbidden fruit of communism? Struggle through the first volume of Das Kapital, read Lenin's speeches, really enjoy conquest of bread, and supplement it with whatever I found online. Never read a whole lot, though, found most of it to be dense and confusing but I liked to consider myself a political outsider, though I never was very passionate about it, too many critiques and questions I could never answer so I just blithely ignored them with an assertion that socialism wouldn't have problems that exist under Capitalism because it just wouldn't.

>College

Take intro to macro economics and lose all interest in socialism (lol). Professor would take time out of lectures to say things I thought were offensive but really interesting, he'd take time to critique the FDA, unions, public services, etc. not because they weren't operating in a way that served the common weal but that they couldn't. This sparked an interest in the classical economists, I read Basiat, Jean-Baptise Say, Mill, Smith, and quickly became your typical Ron Paul supporter, if not a little more extreme. I was reading stuff now not because I could say I had but because I had a passion for it. In my Senior year I stumbled across Mises somehow, I think it was on a suggested reading thing on my kindle, and I spent my final year reading everything he had. Then I logically went on to Rothbard and since the foundation had already been being laid for years now I found it natural to totally disavow the state.

>>68222

>Intellectual property is a cronyist distortion of the market

wew what a hot take

so how are you gonna reward intellectual labor in your capitalist system?

next you'll tell me that patent law is cronyism

I don't need to look further than any crying porky who bitches about piracy and his lost profits to understand that capitalism needs enforcement of intellectual property to function

piracy is communism, a piece of software with zero reproduction costs is communism, capitalism just can't function properly in such environment

>>76224

Property rights exist to prevent conflicts over scarce resources. Information is not scarce. Torrenting a video game is not at all comparable to robbing a convenience store, despite what some people seem to think.

>so how are you gonna reward intellectual labor in your capitalist system

Steam is a huge success because it made buyfagging easy, simple, and convenient.Given that sort of alternative, most people aren't going to go on some sketchy website plastered with gaudy ads, download a bunch of files that could have anything in them, and then run them.

>next you'll tell me that patent law is cronyism

>implying it isn't

>I don't need to look further than any crying porky who bitches about piracy and his lost profits

AAA vidya and hollywood are bloated industries anyway.

>>68213

>Indonesia. I was culture shocked, and thought it was poor and dirty compared to the US, still holding onto my love of the states. And then I was enrolled at a series of private schools where I got bullied and ostracized by both the students and teachers.

You were probably an arrogant wayward dickhead and even the teacher sensed you deserved to be knocked down a peg.

>>76226

This. Also, let's not forget that peer-to-peer sharing isn't the only technology that the internet gave us, there is also peer-to-peer fundraising so that you can personally fund the games you would like to play instead of being forced to buy soyboy shit like Mass Effect.

>>76217

I read this as the zombo.com narrator.

>>76226

>Property rights exist to prevent conflicts over scarce resources. Information is not scarce.

yes, as I said capitalism can't function where there's abundance

>>76281

>You do get paid, but once. Not twice. Not continuously for fifty years.

do you even basic economics?

to cover the costs of developing some complex piece of software seller would need to price this software really high to cover the costs and make some profit

according to supply and demand curve when price rises - demand falls until nobody is buying at the current price

so you reduce prices, but here's the trick, the costs are the bottom line (if we ignore mark up)

so if this bottom line is too high you will not sell shit

in other words, endeavor is not profitable and no capitalist in their right mind is gonna develop this piece of software because there's no profit to be made here

>Best case scenario is that you increase the total market share of your entire branch of industry so that your profit increases even once everyone has copied your technology.

you get paid once, you said it yourself

so there can be no market share, you sell your product once and then it gets torrented

to speak about market share you would need to enforce artificial scarcity and sell your product "once" to each individual separately

>>76316

>peer-to-peer fundraising

lol, more like peer-to-peer scamraising

you bitch about Mass Effect but what about Tides of Numenera shit or countless other kickstarted projects that broke their promises?

no refunds lel

>>76430

>yes, as I said capitalism can't function where there's abundance

The sort of abundance required to break capitalism could only be achieved in a virtual world where you can snap your fingers and create whatever you want.

>to cover the costs of developing some complex piece of software seller would need to price this software really high to cover the costs and make some profit

Then why do people make entire operating systems free and open source?

>Tides of Numenera shit or countless other kickstarted projects that broke their promises

That's called fraud.

>>76447

>The sort of abundance required to break capitalism could only be achieved in a virtual world

that depends on the state of the means of production and especially energy sources

if for example project ITER ends up in a success, then electric energy generation would fall out of the sphere of capitalism, because it would be as abundant as information now

>>76447

>Then why do people make entire operating systems free and open source?

nobody made "entire" operating system on enthusiasm alone

UNIX was a commercial project

and without UNIX there wouldn't have been GNU/Linux

>That's called fraud

except you can't file a fraud lawsuit in this situation

>>76450

>if for example project ITER ends up in a success

There's still going to be a demand for smaller and more efficient ones, along with an increase in power consumption.

>UNIX was a commercial project

It was originally developed by AT&T to be used in house, and then rented out to other groups as an additional source of income. It still would have been created in a universe without copyright, and even then there'd still be an incentive to buy it because you'd have instant access to new versions instead of having to wait for copies to make the rounds or patching bugs yourself.

>except you can't file a fraud lawsuit in this situation

Has anyone ever even tried accusing them of fraud or embezzlement?

>>76456

>along with an increase in power consumption

there's a limit to possible power consumption

I doubt that there would be projects that can consume more energy than Thermonuclear fusion reactor itself

>It was originally developed by AT&T

and AT&T is a special case, not just any company

The Bell System wasn't a part of post war american identity for nothing

its monopoly position, its vertically integrated nature, its sheer size allowed it to act differently

Bell Labs as it is known today wouldn't have been possible without AT&T's monopoly position and its exclusion practices, like its exclusion of any non-Western Electric equipment, which was the reason it got balkanized in the end

>Has anyone ever even tried accusing them of fraud or embezzlement?

I wanna see someone try

>>76621

>there's a limit to possible power consumption

If people start building far more power hungry electronics because electricity is basically free, we'll need more energy. It's the same principle that causes more congestion in cities when you build more roads.

>and AT&T is a special case

And you ignored the second half of my point.

>I wanna see someone try

Well I guess we can agree on that much at least.

>>76316

Commander Shepard dindu nuffin wrong ):

>>76450

>if for example project ITER ends up in a success, then electric energy generation would fall out of the sphere of capitalism, because it would be as abundant as information now

You know the cost of energy isn't just its production, right? You have to pay the workers you see what I did there? Do yah? their fair wages for building and maintaining the the structure. Energy would become far cheaper, but if there's one things humans have been shown to do, it's increase their energy consumption exponentially as it becomes available, meaning it will cost pennies but people will be using twice as much both as number of people and in individual numbers.

>>76689

>Water Cooling Operator position

Huh, maybe I'll apply.

>>76902

>unsourced MS paint graph

>>75897

>Ann Arbor

I think I heard of a band called that once.

>>76902

>hurr durr lets put the dependent variable on the X axis hurr

>>77632

Doesn't change the relationship, brainlet

austrian economics debunked (redpill overdose)

TRIGGER WARNING: FACTS AHEAD!!

tl;dr

>gold standard is unstable and not a viable currency, susceptible to fraud and dependent upon mining

>they are openly anti-scientific, rely on "praxeology", they are philosopher at best

>dumb ideology funded by koch brothers think tanks (CATO) to convince ignorant armchair economists

>every prediction they had is proven wrong

>they business cycle theory is wrong

>they don't use scientific method, no maths, no statistics, nothing, just speculation

>only used as political rhetoric by ron paul to rile up his gadsen-flag hillbilly voterbase

>all of peter schiff's predictions are wrong, he has been preaching doomsday for decades

>mainstream economics agrees with less than half of their policy

>literally no respects austrian economists today, abandoned as early as 1950's

>only good thing to come out of it was Hayek, who wasn't even Austrian since he rejects praxeology. He contributed to price theory, and added to the socialist calculation problem. Also his philosophy is superior and way more nuanced compared to mises/rothbard.

top global econ journals, ZERO positive austrian results, all negative! outdated! wrong! pseudoscience!

https://academic.oup.com/qje/search-results?page=1&q=austrian&fl_SiteID=5504&allJournals=1&SearchSourceType=1

https://academic.oup.com/restud/search-results?page=1&q=austrian%20economics&fl_SiteID=5508&allJournals=1&SearchSourceType=1

https://www.aeaweb.org/journals/mac/search-results?within%5Btitle%5D=on&within%5Babstract%5D=on&within%5Bauthor%5D=on&within%5BjelCode%5D=0&journal=6&q=austrian+economics

https://www.aeaweb.org/journals/jep/search-results?within%5Btitle%5D=on&within%5Babstract%5D=on&within%5Bauthor%5D=on&journal=3&q=austrian+economics

http://www.igmchicago.org/igm-economic-experts-panel

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mainstream_economics

ihttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_neoclassical_synthesis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_consensus_of_economics

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00220480309595230

https://mainlymacro.blogspot.nl/2017/04/economics-is-inexact-science.html

https://thesis.eur.nl/pub/39717/Master-Thesis-Nicolas-Bernerman.pdf

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1530995

https://recoveringaustrians.wordpress.com/top-ten-austrian-economic-lies-and-mistakes/

http://econfaculty.gmu.edu/bcaplan/whyaust.htm

https://realcurrencies.wordpress.com/2012/01/25/top-ten-lies-and-mistakes-of-austrian-economics/

https://hallingblog.com/2015/09/08/praxeology-an-intellectual-train-wreck/

https://www.reddit.com/r/badeconomics/search?q=austrian&restrict_sr=on

http://www.jstor.org/stable/2138469

http://www.econlib.org/library/Topics/College/marketfailures.html

https://www.colorado.edu/economics/morey/4545/introductory/marketfailures.pdf

https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/1py0a8/eli5why_is_the_gold_standard_bad_feel_free_to/

https://www.quora.com/What-are-some-criticisms-of-the-Austrian-school-of-economic-thought

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1057/eej.2012.32

you are getting (((nosed))) lolberts

https://www.economist.com/news/business/21711504-his-theory-management-inspired-austrian-school-economic-thought-worked-wonders

want to learn REAL economics? no problem, open source PDF book

https://openstax.org/subjects/

Blogs (neurtal-center right)

http://marginalrevolution.com/

https://uneasymoney.com/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Economics/wiki/blogs

http://econlog.econlib.org/