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 No.67981

Why does /liberty/ hate the French Revolution again? I'm sorry for the question thread but I need a rundown of a bit more than the "The rule of the mob is not always right", this much is talked about.

Now accepting book links/book copy-paste.

 No.67982

Robespierreand the Jacobins going on a blood soaked killing spree isn't liberty.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reign_of_Terror


 No.67989

>>67981

Because it was inefficient and excessively violent and it failed at establishing a Liberal order.


 No.67991

>>67981

Hoppe said it's where it all started. It being faggotry.


 No.67992

>>67981

If you want a quick rundown, read Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn. If you don't hate the French Revolution afterwards, there's something wrong with you. Okay, fun aside: He wrote a rather short essay in The Myth of National Defense. You can read that if you like, it's very good.

The reasons why I rail against the French Revolution are both the barbarity with which it was fought and the fruits it bore. Among the latter are these, with descriptions where these are not self-explanatory:

>Democracy

>Amateurism

The idea that expertise is overrated and just clouds your thinking, and that Bob next door is just as good a philosopher/theologian/economist as you are even though you studied for five years.

>Social Engineering

The censorship after the French Revolution was insane, and likely inspired by Rousseaus theory that you can force people to be free.

>Nationalism

Specifically, the notion that your national identity takes precedence over all your other loyalties, including to your religion, family, contracts, and moral convictions.

>Disdain of Spirituality

>Worship of novelty and progress

>Scientism

The application of the scientific method to fields of inquiry where it just doesn't belong, like philosophy.

>Etc.

Really, I could go on and on. It's not that the French Revolution created everything bad in this world, but it's not a great exaggeration to say that it's at the base of everything modern that's bad in the western world.


 No.67995

>>67992

Oh, and it wasn't even aiming at establishing a liberal order. There were a few legitimate injustices addressed by the French Revolution, like the unequal taxation of citizenry and nobility, but serfdom had already been abolished almost everywhere in France, the economy was still going strong, and there was even an organ for representation of all three estates, the Estates General. The popular narrative of the French Revolution as an uprising against the brutal oppression of the king and nobility is simply false.

I also forgot to list egalitarianism above, even though that was perhaps the primary export of this event. Egalitarianism was not invented in the French Revolution, for example the Anabaptists were huge fans of it, but until 1789, no one succeeded in establishing a stable order founded on the idea of egalitarianism.


 No.68022

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Sadly /liberty/ is mostly illiterate and because of the /pol/ influence they are closer to reactionaries in their rejection of Enlightenment values and longing for a return of the Aristocracy than to actual libertarians.


 No.68029

Because the French revolution was a prototype of the Bolshevik revolution. It had the same spirit of socialism.

Satanically-inspired terror, collectivism and hatred towards God.

>>68022

Spotted the Jacobin/Illuminati shill.


 No.68035

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>>68022

This is just vapid namecalling intent on invoking a reaction from us that is akin in spirit and execution to pic related.


 No.68047

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 No.68070

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The FR killed more in two weeks than the Spanish Inquisition did. It's called Reign of Terror for a reason.

Also this >>67992 .


 No.68071

>>67981

>Why does /liberty/ hate the French Revolution again?

Because the whole thing just turned out not only to be entirely pointless, but also to be far more tyrannical and violent than the previous regime that they sought to replace. It was a mess and is quite honestly the origin of quite a number of our problems today.


 No.68095

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>>68022

THIS. Even if you supposedly support the crapitalist system (libertarian market socialist, mutualist and anti-capitalist here) you sure as hell should subscribe to the French Revolution. It was already Marx who noted that you need a proper bourgeois revolution to start the capitalist machine off. Feudal system was similar to Soviet state socialism - it involved the inseparability of political and economic power. Only the aristocracy, nobles and clergy could own land, which enabled them to kill off all the competition as well as establish monopolist prices on wheat and vegetables. The Revolution was supposed to make the bourgeois be in charge of the country which isn't perfect but whole orders of magnitude better than feudalism.

>b-but m-muh reign of terror REEEE

The estimated number of victims of the Jacobins is less than 17000. Napoleon was way more blood thirsty than Robespierre (not that it justifies the Reign of Terror). Besides, not all Revolutioniaries were Jacobins.


 No.68098

>>68095

>THIS

To the most illiterate post in this whole thread. Damn Marxists. Bet this was the only post you read, too.

>The estimated number of victims of the Jacobins is less than 17000.

Nigger wut, the war in the Vendée alone killed 100000 civilians.


 No.68099

>>68095

>m-marx said it so it's true!

so what you're saying is that the entire third world isn't real capitalism?


 No.68117

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>>67992

Anything particular from Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn?


 No.68118

File: 3eaee3d20383ae1⋯.pdf (150.37 KB, Erik Ritter von Kuehnelt-L….pdf)

>>68117

I think the best treatment is given in Leftism. There's a whole chapter dedicated to it, not hard to find. Menace of the Herd and Liberty or Equality also talk a lot about it, but the info is spread throughout them, not consolidated like in Leftism.

You can also check out pdf related, it's his essay from The Myth of National Defense. I extracted it a while ago.


 No.68130

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>>68095

>Only the aristocracy, nobles and clergy could own land

Who the hell told you that? There were free farmers, a thriving bourgeois class and even punks who got themselves a title by just buying a castle somewhere. The record keeping in many provinced was so bad, they couldn't know if you had done just that, and no one cared about it, too.

What you described sounded closer to Ireland after the conquest by Cromwell, but this political order - foreign rule imposed by protestants over a catholic nation via military conquest - is not representative of the ancien regimé. I don't say it isn't representative of feudalism because in France, serfdom had been legally prohibited and didn't exist except in very few regions, so it simply wasn't feudal.




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