/liberty/ - Liberty

>So what's to stop collusion, and price-fixing from happening in ancapistan?

The same that has stopped it during the entire of human history: competition

>What's to prevent a private LEO from obtaining enough power to become a de-facto state by itself?

Competition

>How would legal action even work in ancapistan?

By itself, separated from the state and by free organizations of free people like it has always been. You can check the Xeer in Somalia to get an example.

>And now I'll add this because I know you will ask it next: but what would happen if competition gets fucked up by a huge lobby/monopoly/oligolopy?

It already happens, and it happens with every type of goverment. The only difference in ancapistan is that the powers would be so divided that any huge lobby trying to monopoly everything would cost so much money that it would probably be impossible.

And even in the case it could happen, you would still be free and no one would have power over your private property or the private property of good people that would allow some other good people live in peace in their land. Meanwhile in any other kind of goverment if the state decide you go to gulag then you go to gulag no matter what, and the power is still in hands of a lobby, the only difference is that lobby can take a different name depending of the type of goverment.

>>65389

>The same that has stopped it during the entire of human history: competition

What about tyranny? That's certainly existed for the entirety of human history, you can't just hand wave concepts around.

>And even in the case it could happen, you would still be free and no one would have power over your private property or the private property of good people that would allow some other good people live in peace in their land

What if I'm dealing with people who don't recognize my property and trespass on it, and our LEO's can't agree on settling it.

>So what's to stop collusion, and price-fixing from happening in ancapistan

Even if no one in your cartel breaks their quotas one day and starts outcompeting everyone else (they're already making a shadowy deal to fuck over everyone else, what's stopping them from going one further and screwing you over too?), you've still got outside competition to worry about. Those sorts of schemes are inherently unstable because good, honest, upstanding folk aren't the kind of people to participate, which just leaves the liars, cheats, and thieves.

>>65376

>So what's to stop collusion, and price-fixing from happening in ancapistan?

The short answer is always competition and incentive to compete. Listen to the Rothbard lecture for the complete explanation. Nobody here feels like writing a thesis every time this repeat thread is made. Which is about 2 times a week.

>what's to prevent a private LEO from obtaining enough power to become a de-facto state by itself?

To obtain that much power it would have to be the best competitor on the market. As soon as it stops doing that its influence diminishes and a vacuum opens.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0_Jd_MzGCw

>>65398

Right, but doesn't this assume that the market isn't saturated as is, and that there's enough credit to be circulated so that people can start these businesses?

>>65468

Do you know how wealth is created?

>>65392

>What if I'm dealing with people who don't recognize my property and trespass on it, and our LEO's can't agree on settling it.

That's precisely why legal action exists. As I mentioned before, as long as they are separated from the state it should work fine, and even better than in the current setting.

In case the tyrant has enough power to even fuck justice then we get militia, mercenary, groups for self protection, as it has always been. Of course different communities would need to have enough power to defend themselves and even form alliances among them. But you know, generally for business is better to have good PR and do things people would like, and the NAP is that thing everyone likes. So I'm pretty sure that private sectors would do their best to protect their clients from other people tyrany, and again through competition balance would be created.

The best example would be city states that have almost no army whatsoever and private companies and millonaries defend them through other methods. You can study Monaco for example during the times of DeGaulle (or during any time, really), and how all the big companies and millonaries got together because they had interest to protect Monaco from the french even though DeGaulle was a motherfucker that basically sent his army anywhere he wanted to take anything by force. Monaco won by the way, without even needing to shoot a single bullet.

>>65471

technological advancement?

How is a currency system supposed to work in ancapistan if there's no central bank to print, and issue it?

>>65568

The same way currencies worked before the (((central bank))) made this shit. Different individuals or groups issues money, people use money depending on what seems more reliable, so money that is backed up by something gets more used and guarantees that value is not lost like it is now (where you money is hold by literally fucking nothing).

There are instances like Somalia where after the country went to shit because socialists and UN trying to interfere, they made their way into things close to anarchy and suddenly, their previous money that wasn't being issued anymore and was inflated to huge levels like in every shitty socialist country, suddenly started to have value again and people would use it and become valuable even though there was literally anything backing it up.

We also have crypto money. The moment people start accepting crypto for the everyday things all the other money will collapse since it's not based on anything at all. Enjoy your paper that has even less value that the paper it's made of.

>>65571

What's crypto backed up by, and why would it replace other currencies?

>>65572

>What's crypto[currency] backed up by

Short: Math

Long: Collective agreement among those who process transactions, on a particular set of mathematical rules and algorithms to use, for determining the creation of new currency, and the method for validation of transactions.

>hey anarchists, what if a state could form from anarchy!? Wouldn't that be awful!?

>>65657

>Long: Collective agreement among those who process transactions, on a particular set of mathematical rules and algorithms to use, for determining the creation of new currency, and the method for validation of transactions.

So nothing, at least I can burn the paper money to warm up my house, or to use it as toilet paper, or paper for simple origami crafts to sell on the market, but with bitcoin I literally have nothing. Also at least with fiat currency you have the guarantee that the state will back up it's own money. I don't know how it is in Murrica, but in some countries in Eastern Europe, the government can sell land, forests, gold, oil and so on from the emergency deposits, in order to increase the value of it's currency if it ever falls, so it is actually somewhat backed by something.

Bitcoin is just a speculative bubble, it's not money it's just assets, that people hoard in order to sell, and it's going to be the next DotCom crash.

>>65401

Sounds like complete bullshit tbh. Amass enough wealth to line the pockets of armed men, and they can make themselves the new de facto rulers.

>>65551

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

That's just a increase in the efficiency of production. Technology plays a part, but not the whole reason how wealth is created.

Here's a simplified version

>>65568

Banks

>>65676

Well in the early days of the US government they did sell land to pay off debts and as a form of payment.

>>65676

Bitcoin is a distributed ledger. For about $0.50 USD (at current prices), you can permanently store an unfalsifiable piece of text in thousands of servers across the world. That may not seem like much to the average person, and it's not the reason it's worth thousands of dollars per coin, but it is real value. It's worth at least as much as the paper that your dollar is printed on or the metal in your quarter.

>>65568

The same way they have always worked.

https://mises.org/library/origins-money-0

>>65551

Technology contributes to wealth creation. To actually "create" wealth you have to produce a service/good for less time and resources invested in the production and distribute it efficiently. Acquiring knowledge or skills also counts as a form of wealth.

>>65676

>Also at least with fiat currency you have the guarantee that the state will back up it's own money

Yeah because that worked so well in Zimbabwe or is going so well in Venezuela. Even if you have oil backing up your money, if people don't trust your money because of your policies, your money won't have any value.

You must think that crypto has a limited number of coin, that compared to normal currencies it's already a lot better since goverment just print money when they need it creating a completely fake value of it through lies that could explode at any moment but doesn't explode because people still want to buy things.

The moment crypto becomes accepted by people it will have the security that every transaction is check via several servers so all movement of money is public, making sure that its value (that is, the offer and demand of that currency) is always precise with a really low margin of error.

Money at the end of the day is only the substitute of trade, if we get a system that can keep in check every single trade in the world in a precise way then its value will also be more precise that any other currency in the past. The reason why we used gold, oil or any other shit to back up money before was precisely because we couldn't keep track of the amount of money that exists and how much is traded, so goverments or groups need to put something behind to give a guarantee.

With crypto however everything is public and traceable, so you don't need any other guarantee, its price is perfect and real.

Of course, right now, because people is yet to accept crypto for normal things like food or anything, the value of crypto is really volatile. People are just using crypto as a easy way to speculate.

However the moment people start accepting crypto for everyday things, those transactions will become the very support for the money making it more stable and regulating prices to a real point finishing things like inflation.

I'm just gonna turn this into a questions thread. How would public services like Museums function under anarcho capitalism?

>>65376

>So what's to stop collusion, and price-fixing from happening in ancapistan?

Nothing, survival of the mightiest, Darwin will forge the strongest nation.

>What's to prevent a private LEO from obtaining enough power to become a de-facto state by itself?

Its own incompetence.

>How would legal action even work in ancapistan?

Knife fights in an alley with tickets sold to view. If fat cats in nice suits want to order violence, they best be ready to conduct it themselves.

>>65909

they can be funded by philantrophists

>>65909

Before goverments started to tax your ass for everything for these cool things like museums, archeology, preservation of story, etc… there were already tons of private groups that would do it just for philatropy, science or even money (museums used to make money before modern art took it over with public money).

In the XIX century these groups were actually quite rich, in fact some of them were the ones who would receive more money though donations or by associates since it was like a question of brand and even power to rich people.

For example you can see now how the anti-deflamation league works. People donate shit ton of money to this group because they want to be cool with jews since they have all the power, so even if it's a private organization it makes more money that most public organizations put together. Companies and rich people can basically gain people trust by giving money to good causes like these, and there's always a potential business behind of art, museums, archeology, that can become profiteable at any moment (like for example when a movie of dinosaurs come out, all museums dinosaurs related become busy and make more money).

Also since people wouldn't be taxed to fucking hell in these societies they would have more money to expend, making museums an actual business instead of bullshit payed for the goverment to display bullshit modern art. The reason why art, architecture and so many other arts have gone to shit is because private companies can't compete with publics one in this aspect since they have a fucking mafia deciding what is art or not to make shit ton of money. In an ancap society at the end of the day since there's no public money people would have to compete to make art, so they would create what people truly want and not what 3 fucking elite faggots say.

>>65990

I forgot to add. Putting museums and other kind of culture under the goverment power is DANGEROUS.

They can basically change the past and their story to make it fit their narrative, as we are seeing right now with the anti-white propaganda and the pro-black push. The reason why goverments took over culture wasn't to preserve it, but to mold it. An important difference that basically attacks our freedom and our very history. Just for that reason all culture should be taken off the goverment hands no matter how hard would it be later to make it live out of donations or philantropists.