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 No.65079

Why do libertarians love Greek and Roman shit so much? All the time I see libertarians referencing Ancient Greece and/or Rome (agorism, Mercatus, Cato, Hydra; giving themselves new names like Eris, Antigone, Eleutherios, Invictus). What gives?

 No.65080

Personally I think Greek shit is overused and I'm sick of it. Roman shit would be more obscure it it wasn't just recolored Greek lore. Personally, I like Norse mythology but Disneys capeshit is doing its best to make that cringeworthy as well


 No.65081

>>65080

Why do you think other libertarians keep loving Greece?

I forgot to mention, they also love to cite Aristotle as a proto-libertarian of some kind. Pretty sure he advocated a monarchy though.


 No.65084

>>65081

It's not a thing as far as I've noticed. Cato is admired as a proto-Libertarian for his opposition to Caesar's dictatorship and his aversion to corruption and vice. No Libertarian supports Aristotle's political ideas. The only thing they take from Aristotle is his epistemology though there's a significant camp that prefers Plato's. Of course, they disagree with Plato's Republic completely.


 No.65085

>>65079

>giving themselves new names like Eris, Antigone, Eleutherios, Invictus

If that guy with the kid is still here, Antigone is still a dumb name for the modern day.


 No.65086

>>65079

uhm it's because the greeks invented civilization. Libertarians love history


 No.65087

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>>65079

Ancient Greeks were very much in agreement that taxation was theft and routinely rioted over taxes. Most Classical Liberal philosophers that emerged were largely inspired by these Ancient Greeks who paved the intellectual path for their discourse after their works were re-translated centuries after their ends.

Not sure why libertarians loved the Romans since they were hedonistic government-loving freaks, but it's probably that appeal to ancient societies or something.


 No.65088

>>65086

>uhm it's because the greeks invented western* civilization. Libertarians love history

Fixed Also this. I wouldn't say the greeks "invented" it, but they codified it in easy-to-understand reasoning that would go on to allow western society to flourish.


 No.65090

>>65079

>>65081

The Greeks in particular are widely praised for their contributions to the foundations of reason, philosophy, the arts, the sciences, and so on. They've been particularly popular for this in Western culture since the Renaissance, when much of Europe rediscovered many of the ancient works from the Hellenistic period.

Aristotle in particular is acknowledged by proponents of the rationalist tradition because he codified the laws of logic. Of course much of his worldview is no longer supported, but he laid so much of the foundation for what would later develop into the Libertarian tradition, as much of libertarianism is built on secular humanism and rationalism. One need not agree entirely with one's philosophical forbears to appreciate their contributions. Newton, for instance, had some ideas about divinity that many scientists and mathematicians do not share, but one cannot reasonably deny his contributions to the physical sciences and calculus (incidentally, more recent discoveries have shown records suggesting that Aristotle was developing similar mathematical techniques over two thousand years before Newton, which is astonishing).


 No.65094

>>65085

There is a known Free Stater named Antigone.


 No.65095

>>65087

Ancient Athens was also a slave society. Something like 85% of the population were either slaves or metics.


 No.65096

>>65084

>Of course, they disagree with Plato's Republic completely.

Didn't Plato disagree with Plato's Republic?


 No.65097

>>65096

Pretty sure Plato never budged on the Brave New World style Social Engineering and the Philosopher King bits, which are the two main most disturbing parts. Both him and Aristotle make huge leaps in logic as they write. One argues that cooperation is beneficial therefore you should have Authoritarian brainwashing, the other relies too much on repeating that his key arguments don't need a basis because it's just natural to think so and everyone does.


 No.65098

>>65086

Greeks didn't invention civilization you retard.

The Middle-East is the cradle of civilization. Urbanization started in Mesopotamia, Babylon.


 No.65101

Because people who respect libertarian principles are typically white, and European cultures of all sorts were heavily influenced by Greeks and Romans.


 No.65110

>>65098

You should ask the other person to define civilisation.


 No.65114

>>65101

Funny because Islam has historically been way more pro-free market than the West ever was.


 No.65115

>>65114

Trade and merchantry is in Arab bedouin's blood.

muh carpets

muh spices

muh camels

muh caravans


 No.65181

Ancient Greece was never libertarian.


 No.65182

because they are aesthetic as FUCK


 No.65224

>>65097

You shouldn't read Plato's Republic like that.


 No.65252

>>65224

Why not?


 No.65280

>>65224

There is no other way to interpret it. Plato's Republic isn't even that original. Given the political systems in Ancient Greece it contains fairly standard Authoritarian views.


 No.65315

>>65181

at least it was decentralized


 No.65347

>>65315

So is anarcho-socialism.


 No.65387

>>65252

Because you're reading him anachronistically.

>>65280

Plato's Republic isn't meant to be taken as an Authoritarian text; Plato was trying to distinguish the line between Authority that is Just, and Authority that isn't. You haven't examined any of his premises. It's a deeply flawed book, yes, but it's the crux of Western political thought for the past 2000 years.


 No.65404

>>65347

What do you mean?


 No.65407

>>65387

>it's the crux of Western political thought for the past 2000 years.

It has been, for the Left.


 No.65569

>>65407

No, it really hasn't.


 No.65810

>>65090

I just realized that I am a faggot and mixed up Aristotle and Archimedes. Disregard the bit about math. Don't drink and post, kids!




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