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 No.64553

How do you stop the state with Agorism if it KNOWS you're doing it?

They can just underpay the important programs instead of the less-important ones, boom, we go back to the original problem of the free market not being able to fix the problem fast enough. Hell, maybe the money that was going to police would start going towards cracking private companies to prevent it form happening.

To promote agorism you have to share the tactics with people, and if you have to share tax evasion, the letter soup companies will be on it.

 No.64555

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>>64553

>How do you stop the state with Agorism if it KNOWS you're doing it?

It knows someone is doing it. It doesn't know who. If the state knows you specifically are an Agorist, then you've failed at the first step of being an Agorist.

>They can just underpay the important programs instead of the less-important ones

The fuck does this even mean? Do you mean undercut the businesses, driving them into the black market where the state gets no tax revenue? Do you mean underfunding important programs leading to private enterprise taking over with a superior service? Did you even think through what you wrote?

>And if you have to share tax evasion, the letter soup companies will be on it.

I don't think you realize just how widespread tax evasion is. Every business I've worked for. Every. Single. One. Has evaded taxes in any and every way they can get away with, legal or otherwise. Even all of my instructors, whether they were that damn communications instructor I had to take a class with because "muh core reqs" who used to own his own restaurant, or my department head who does HVAC jobs on the side, they all fucking evade taxes wherever and whenever they can.


 No.64557

>>64555

>I get a get and I can't even revel in it since I forgot flag.

Fuck.


 No.64574

>>64555

Okay lets go back to basics

The most important thing on Agorism is that the government is supposed to SLOWLY be dismantled so the free market can take over its services, instead of going all at once, since private defense contractors don't pop out of tin air. Its basically a agorist's basic argument against violent revolutions.

So if the government just suddenly pulls support instead of playing along with your scheme, then what?

Also are you pretending to be retarded or something? Your whole post reads like I'm talking to someone that doesn't know the government provides services like the police. Did YOU even think through what you wrote?


 No.64579

>>64574

Nah, pretty sure you're retarded and have no reading comprehension. If a government suddenly pulls out of an important service it offers with no alternative and no prior speculation, then it will lose the support of the citizenry almost as instantly. Your situation is pretty much impossible. Trump slowly fucking over the department of education is already making people's head's explode, he'd be ousted as an illegitimate dictator if he signed an order to end it immediately, and likely overruled by congress before the end of the day.

You act as if government is one central planner capable of great evil schemes all by his lonesome instead of a behemoth of beaurocracy. Do you know how retarded THAT sounds?


 No.64580

>>64579

>pretty sure you're retarded and have no reading comprehension

That's rich coming from you, christnigger


 No.64583

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>64580

>christnigger


 No.64600

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>>64580

Look, if you pull the banana out of your ass for two seconds and stop being euphoric, you might realize what I'm saying. Here, I put it in a logical format for your simple materialistic brain.

If the government nor the market provide it, then either the good/service was never actually wanted/needed by other than a few eccentrics or the Black Market will provide it. You seriously misunderstand how government control works in the first place, anon. Budget cuts and Government don't work well together in the first place because once something is codified in law, getting it removed involves removing every aspect from the ground up and fighting a losing battle to get rid of it. This can be seen in Obamacare- the whole point was to codify it in law because it would increase government's power over the healthcare industry, raise theft revenue via fines, and as long as it was passed through, getting it removed would be a pain in the ass when your opponents realize they also get a chunk of those fines for themselves. Government doesn't know how to shrink, which is what you're suggesting.

Even in the unlikely scenario that government maliciously and rapidly shrunk their stranglehold in an effort to kill off Black Market business, the "market failure" you're experiencing is a short-lived scramble to re-stabilize a desired good/service and is short lived. If the federal government suddenly eliminated all funding for police forces tomorrow, the police force would still exist. It would either be taken over at the state level (as it's almost entirely run in the first place) or county level, and if that weren't the case, private security would fill in the gap in a matter of weeks or at worst months at worst (the time it would likely take a state or county to set up and train a proper police force anyways ). During such a transition time, firearm sales would be higher-than-average (market correcting mechanism), people wouldn't be getting ticketed for petty crimes (market wins), and serious crimes still wouldn't get dealt with most of the time (same as under government). The only way for government to "win the game" against Agorism is to hold on and consolidate their power further, and even then their inefficiency means that the Agorists will win, it might just take longer. For the state to give up a good or service as a result of black market action as you implied here >>64574 is to prove the Agorist correct and decrease the overarching power of the state, even if it does it temporarily. When people get a taste of freedom, they don't like going back. That's why many citizens won't let their politicians ban companies like Uber, or they'll continue to use ridesharing even after it's made illegal. That's why congress, the IRS, and the federal reserve are scared of Bitcoin becoming more mainstream. People are greedy as fuck, agorists are just there to provide a better service on the most legitimate front possible- in person and under the table.


 No.64611

>>64600

I've never replied to you seriously because I know you're too far up your own fat jewish religion. OP should quit too while he's at it.

Fuck you faggot.


 No.64612

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>>64611

God dammit goy, don't make me call the ADL.


 No.64613

>>64611

Why are atheists so irrational and dogmatic?

>Digital Physics Argument for God's Existence

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2Xsp4FRgas

>The Leibnizian Cosmological Argument

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2ULF5WixMM

>Quantum Physics Debunks Materialism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C5pq7W5yRM

>The Introspective Argument

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l1lQMCOguw

>The Teleological Argument

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Yt7hvgFuNg

>What Atheists Confuse

Part 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbLJtxn_OCo

Part 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bj0lekx-NiQ

>Is Atheism a Delusion?

Part 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ii-bsrHB0o

Part 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnBTJDje5xk

>Atheists Don't Exist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDX6F_O5XB0

>Scooby-Doo and the Case of the Silly Skeptic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrGVeB_SPJg


 No.64614

>>64611

>>64612

>>64613

I know you like to think of yourself as a 1337 /pol/ psyopzor who is totally tearing this board apart, but could you at least do it without impersonating me? not implying that I'm the only snekposter here


 No.64615

>>64614

>having fun is a psyop

>>64613

irrelevant examples the post.html also, the religious types never developed their prefrontal cortex.


 No.64616

>>64613

Facts, logic, reason, evidence, sources.

>>64615

>>64614

Shitposts and ad hominems.

I rest my case.


 No.64619

>They can just underpay the important programs instead of the less-important ones, boom, we go back to the original problem of the free market not being able to fix the problem fast enough.

Are you seriously suggesting the government would defund police, courts, and military but fund welfare as a means to punish tax evaders? Sounds like cutting off your nose to spite your face, and even more reason to fund private companies to take on these roles.

>if you have to share tax evasion, the letter soup companies will be on it.

Fundamentally, stopping agorism with the long arm of the law doesn't work for the same reason state controls on markets never end up working: Top-down control of bottom-up processes never ends up working very well. Spotting a criminal black market transaction is significantly harder than making the transaction in the first place. The amount of money required to enforce taxation will far exceed the theoretical revenue loss from these transactions, which creates an unwinnable war against agorism. And the harder you try, the more your constituents resent you for it.

Of course, this begs the question - why hasn't agorism won yet? Two factors hold it back: Convenience and safety. Overcoming those hurdles is the real challenge. If you can make a system that lets you buy things as easily and safely as Amazog for comparable prices, there's no reason why we wouldn't be practicing counter-economics.


 No.64628

>>64613

Oh for fuck sake i'm getting tired of seeing this shit.

>Digital Physics Argument for God's Existence

Answer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvf_dXDfTGs

>The Leibnizian Cosmological Argument

Answer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWXamh4M4Ng

>Quantum Physics Debunks Materialism

Answer:

https://youtu.be/7WusCyD_eTc?t=1m18s

>The Introspective Argument

Answer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPCV4Tm8_DU

>The Teleological Argument

Answer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AaDEe5i7Ns

> Atheism a Delusion

No

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDTb8lzeGsU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vg76y4JeR0c

>Atheists don't exist

They do

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-6PaJbqOr4

~~~~

>Theist don't exist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80MWNRramCU

>Your God is incompetent as fuck

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0A_iF1B3k0


 No.64629

>>64628

If you don't believe in God there is no reason to be a libertarian/conservative.

Atheism ultimately leads to totalitarianism because man/state becomes god.


 No.64630

>>64628

why do atheists always look so edgy, hairy and talk with a depressing voice?


 No.64631

>>64630

Because they have rejected the truth, so they live in darkness.


 No.64634

>>64629

If you believe in God there is no reason to be a libertarian.

Theism is ultimately about explaining reality via one, centralized, State-like authority.


 No.64635

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 No.64636

>>64634

>God

>state-like authority

wut.pdf


 No.64641

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>>64629

>If you don't believe in a all mighting monopoly you can't be a libertarian.


 No.64642

>>64641

>If you don't want God to be subject to anti-trust laws, you cannot be a libertarian!

Lol wut???


 No.64644

>>64629

That has to be the most retarded thing I've read all day.

What kind of retardation is this?


 No.64645

>>64642

Monotheism is a monopoly on god


 No.64677

>>64645

>monotheism is a monopoly on god

>atomic theory is a monopoly on matter


 No.64696

Do MORE agorism. There's only so much agorism the government can stop before it has to fully turn on its people like a wounded dog and reveal itself to be the force wielding home of mad men that it is.

It's sad to think that basic concepts of free markets can't be discussed without fear of the alphabetti spaghetti people getting involved though.




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