This guy is Auguste Comte. You may or may not have heard of him, but he influenced Marx, the Italian and French school of criminology, the second republic of Brazil and many others. Before there was Marx, Comte already came up with the idea of historical d

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Anonymous 08/03/17 (Thu) 21:56:06 No.62667

This guy is Auguste Comte. You may or may not have heard of him, but he influenced Marx, the Italian and French school of criminology, the second republic of Brazil and many others. Before there was Marx, Comte already came up with the idea of historical determinism. He is no one less than the inventor of positivism, along with his mentor, Henri de Saint Simon. Both are children of the napoleonic regime, which was itself a direct descendant of the French Revolution.

I named Comte because he illustrates extremely well what I have in mind: To trace the ideas of all the tyrants of our age back to their roots, and create a kind of mindmap or genealogy for them. My question is who else would be up for a project like that

Anonymous 08/03/17 (Thu) 23:38:35 No.62674

>>62667

Shit, I'd be up for something like this but from Auguste Comte it's sort of hard to find who exactly imprinted this sort of historical determinism into him. At best, one can try and link him to Francis Bacon but even that's a bit of a dry stretch (empircism =/= historical determinism)

Anonymous 08/04/17 (Fri) 03:13:57 No.62696

Abraham Lincoln was inspired by Henry Clay who was inspired by Alexander Hamilton, but where'd Hamilton learn to be such a fag?

Anonymous 08/04/17 (Fri) 07:04:06 No.62716

>>62674

If there's a predecessor to the idea, he probably taught at the l'ecole polytechnique. Although I have a suspicion Comte tried to work Saint Simons historical narrative into a theoretical model of history, and thus invented historical determinism himself.

Anonymous 08/04/17 (Fri) 19:06:04 No.62766

>>62667

dont forget hegel

Really makes you think! Anonymous 08/07/17 (Mon) 15:14:58 No.63160

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>Isidore Marie Auguste François Xavier Comte (/ˈɪzədɔːr oʊˈɡuːst məˈriː frænˈsweɪ seɪvi.ər kɒəmˈteɪ/; 19 January 1798 – 5 September 1857)[4] was a French philosopher who founded the discipline of praxeology[5] and the doctrine of positivism. He is sometimes regarded as the first philosopher of science in the modern sense of the term.[6]

Anonymous 08/09/17 (Wed) 17:00:08 No.63583

how is historical determinism bad?

Anonymous 08/09/17 (Wed) 18:10:12 No.63594

>>63160

Not quite. It's interesting to know, sure, but it doesn't force me to reevaluate my interpretation of history.

Anonymous 08/09/17 (Wed) 18:28:45 No.63603

>>63583

The practice of it is a bit dangerous as it soon devolves into precrime. The results of being wrong are far more severe than making individual personal decisions.

Anonymous 08/10/17 (Thu) 07:32:49 No.63672

>>63583

See what the commies made of it. That should answer your question.

Anonymous 08/10/17 (Thu) 15:57:16 No.63713

>>63672

guns can lead to bad things too, just like historical determinism

Anonymous 08/10/17 (Thu) 16:09:41 No.63716

>>63713

Ideas aren't like tools. A tool can have bad and good uses, an idea that's false at its core has almost only bad uses. Historical determinism gives people the false security that no matter what they do, they can only win in the long-term. No matter how much pain and misery they spread, commies could still tell themselves that in a few more years, utopia will arrive, no matter what setbacks they suffer in the meantime. They just have to go with the flow of history to make sure they're the winners.

Anonymous 08/10/17 (Thu) 16:31:12 No.63720

>>63716

but is it not true that history determines politics? for example nationalists refer to history a lot

Anonymous 08/10/17 (Thu) 16:54:23 No.63724

>>63720

Sure it does, but that's not historical determinism. Historical determinism is the idea that the course of history is already written, and that we cannot change that course. What you mean is that history determines politics, which of course is true. Look carefully and you can see how centuries old traditions influence how the world works. For example, that the North Koreans put entire families into prison is because of their Confucian past. The families even share one "village" in their camps. For all its brutality, then, North Koreas regime still has a sense of family.