/liberty/ - Liberty

>>62447

The autism is strong with you. You completely deny any and all failures of your own ideology, yet having no problem attempting to point out the failures of other. Why should we take responsibility for this if you don't take any responsibility for your own problems?

>>62449

>no u

I thought libertarianism couldn't stop masturbating over "responsibility?"

>>62446

>As mayor, Martinez de Vara’s first priority was to lure chain stores with the town’s low-tax, low-regulation branding. But there was a problem: Von Ormy lacked a sewer system and it would be expensive to connect to San Antonio’s main wastewater system. The San Antonio Water System, which services most of Bexar County, told town officials that the connection would cost $4 million to $5 million.

>According to Reyes, City Administrator James Massey recommended floating a bond, standard practice for most cities. But Martinez de Vara rejected the recommendation. Liberty cities aren’t supposed to take on debt, after all. (Martinez de Vara didn’t respond to numerous requests for comment.)

That's not libertarianism failing, that's shitty business practice failing. Of course you have to rack up debt if you want capital but have insufficient funds! At least if it cannot wait for a few more years, that is.

The fits thrown by the council are just people being assholes, made worse by red tape. Concerning the lack of animal control, the police department and the fire department, my first question would be if these were really in demand by the population, or if they had better things to spend their money on. This may sound crazy, but people don't always demand the things you want them to demand. Sometimes, they will not want to pay for a police force if their town is peaceful enough. Or they will not pay for a fire brigade if there hasn't been any fires in ten years. And maybe the stray dogs aren't that bad? Maybe it's one pack of peaceful dogs that harasses you for food but wouldn't dare attack anyone? Maybe Old Man Hendricks has given them names and gives them fresh bones each morning? Obviously, the money for these things was available in the town before it became a "Liberty City", but then people decided to keep it instead of investing it in security. Notice how none of the residents speaks up, or none that aren't in the council.

I have to backtrack again, but so be it. Again: Running a public institution like a private enterprise doesn't work if you halfass it. That there were abandoned police cars is a sign from God that they didn't do it right. Take the damn things, paint them yellow and black and grant people "Freedom Rides" or something. But don't leave fucking capital unused! These were functioning cars, you cannot tell me that selling them or using them was not an option. Also, what's up with all the talk of democracy? It's thrown in every five paragraphs like it had context or so, but it just doesn't.

Lastly, one more thing on these kinds of experiments: We had one city that ran into the ground (supposedly). We also had a few cities that were more than happy without cops and traffic lights. You have not a single functioning example of communism even though you tried it on everything from small communes to entire countries. It never worked, and not because stray dogs pissed on the lawns of the residents, but because it either reverted back into low-functioning capitalism or turned full-on totalitarian and took a nosedive for living standards in the Middle Ages. If you want to play that game, no problem. You post your anecdotes of starving workers in the Gilded Age, I post mine of the Viet Cong burning villagers alive.

>>62453

>in depth investigation

>not a single citizen interviewed

It's hard to defend a place I can neither go to, nor have previously known about, nor is there anybody confirm to have lived there to listen to.

> But Martinez de Vara rejected the recommendation

Isn't it supposed to be up to the citizens do decide if they want to pay for what they'll supposedly be using? What authority has Martinez to decide for them? Not very Libertarian.

>Liberty cities aren’t supposed to take on debt, after all

You can just feel the reporter stroking their genitals thinking about the Republican congress raising the debt ceiling.

>>62446

>Initially, the city would impose property and sales taxes, but the property tax would ratchet down to zero over time. The business-friendly environment would draw new economic activity to Von Ormy, and eventually the town would cruise along on sales taxes alone.

>Sales taxes

>taxes

>Von Ormy could become a “liberty city” — a stripped-down, low-tax, low-government version of municipal government that’s currently en vogue among the tea party in Texas.

>Government

>a group of people with no political experience took it upon themselves to do everything a large city like San Antonio does but at a lower cost

Sounds like a bunch of people that forgot about that demand precedes supply and not the other way around failed and blamed their failure on every citizen.

>— though that’s a step up from the dive bar where City Council met until the owner bounced them out

More and more it sounds like the council specifically being a bunch of retards.

>They said it was going to divide the city, which it did. The majority of the people that spoke up against [incorporating] were right then about what’s happening now.

So a significant portion of the population was actively against it and was never on board with the "Libertarian" thing at all.

>As new as we are and as small as we are, to grow we need those taxes,” Goede told the Express-News. “We need them desperately.”

I'm sure you do.

>Despite pressing city business, council meetings often devolved into chaos. For example, at a September 2015 meeting, Reyes angrily told Goede and Hernandez they were “speaking out of turn” and threatened to call the police if they kept talking. But when Hernandez persisted, Reyes ordered the police chief, who was present at the meeting, to escort Hernandez outside. Hernandez was arrested and booked into jail for disrupting a meeting, a misdemeanor. But that didn’t quiet Hernandez or her supporters.

It just gets more and more """Libertarian"""".

This is all we have for now and it's all from people involved and responsible for managing the town speaking in their defense without any of the citizens. Don't expect me to support any "limited" form of Government. Even from the report that is still a "bit" biased it seems like there were no actual Libertarians there. It's a Republican town open to lower taxation and nothing more. The citizens still expected someone to do and fix all their shit for them and didn't even get off their asses to do something about the council's poor management.

>>62481

>>62482

>we're not the absolute shitshow that is communism

>this justifies our selfish degeneracy and greedy kikery

Lolberts are just as stupid as communists, don't make it a competition.

>>62483

>selfish degeneracy and greedy kikery

You got the wrong flag there, socialist comrade.

>>62483

>selfish degeneracy

Like not incarcerating the poor for opening up lemonade stands, or not putting them in forced labor camps, or not drafting them to commit massacres on other poor people, or…?

>greedy kikery

Oy vey, you figured out my secret!

>>62487

Damn those clever Nazi boys! They always figure out that the Jew is behind everything ever all of the time.

Bump

>>62643

>>62678

>>62646

>>62679

That's not how sage works.

>>62678

Didn't you get banned ages ago?

>>62448

>>62678

>in the free territories they literally burned the surplus

Pretty inefficient economic model. It's no wonder why it failed just like the Kibbutzim.

>>62446

>Looks like libertarianism can't work in real life.

How is government failure an example of how Libertarianism can't work? This whole article just seems to be all about how dysfunctional the government and the "council" of Von Ormy is, which should come as no surprise to anyone (albeit there is some surprise regarding the fact that it was a much smaller government, which are traditionally better than bigger ones).

>>62695

> Not even reading my post.

> Being this retarded

Lmao.

also

>Delicious abundant food

I'll take things that never happened for 500$ Alex.

Reminder: You can filter by name. Just do that, because this pedo truly isn't worth listening to.

>>62446

Economies of scale mean that a certain level of centralization is good. The problem a lot of libertarians have is that they understand that private property is better than commons, but they equate that with a situation of no laws. In order to work, the city should be owned by a business, and then everything could be paid for, and all those stray dogs could be cleaned up, because the streets would be the private property of the CEO. Here we are mixing a weak state with the streets being still owned by the state, so it's actually a tragedy of the commons situation, and nobody can pay for the police or fire services because of democratic squabbling. The failure of libertarianism is that there are no half measures to this stuff.

Even so, privatized states ala Neoreaction would work much better than ancap, getting most of the benefits without the downsides where you dissolve the state but then there's a load of property previously owned by the state just sitting in a commons state for people to squabble over.

>>62695

Trade partners are not enemies. Trade is what maintained peace via interdependence.

Also, burning surpluis != burning crops. What you were referring to was scorched earth.

>>62837

What interests me is why someone would burn crops that can be stored for later consumption. Why do that instead of using the surplus capital to focus on other projects?

>>62839

Surplus capital leads to accumulation. Accumulation is bad according to socialists.

>>62851

Good thing they don't recognize human Capital. Otherwise they'd have to make people unlearn skills or outright kill them.

>>62851

>surplus capital

???

>>62483

>selfish degeneracy and greedy kikery

Daily reminder that nazis are just like any other kind of socialist scumbag. All collectivists must be ruthlessly purged.

>>63659

>Daily reminder that nazis are just like any other kind of socialist scumbag.

This. One of the biggest ruses in the history of mankind was when the commies successfully told the world that the Nazis weren't one of theirs.

>>62446

hatchet piece.

>>62446

not everyone profits in libertarianism

some activities are not worth economically to do them