/liberty/ - Liberty

Mutualists and "left libertarians" have forever ruined the FSP.

A "freed" NH would just be Vermont with a market.

>>58973

Because Vermont already exists and I don't want go go there.

>>58984

VT to NH isn't that far…

Is he a libertarian or a "Libertarian"?

The FSP website hasn't updated their counter in months, making me think either no one is moving or the entire project has been forgotten about.

A friend of mine who moved to NH with the FSP told me that the entire interworkings of the "movement" are pretty fucking sketchy. When the project launched in 2001, the state which met the most liberty criteria was Alaska, followed by Wyoming, followed by Montana. The early participants however were mostly from the East Coast, so the criteria was entirely changed so that they wouldn't have to move very far (just up i-95). Jason Sorens assumed there would be a critical mass by 2006. When that critical mass didn't happen, the FSP changed into a long drawn-out "movement".

What have Free Staters really been doing in NH? They're barely relevant as a political or cultural force. Sure, Keene has a Bitcoin machine and some restaurants in Portsmouth accept BTC payment, but have taxes gotten any lower in the past ten years? Are property rights stronger? Am I legally allowed to homeschool my kids? Can I homestead up north? How much land does the government own? Also, name a libertarian political theorist/academic or libertarian singer/pop culture icon from NH.

>>58973

> New Hampshire

> Implying

> Libertarian Party

> Implying

C'mon now lad.

>>58991

NH is slowly turning into Mass. Hillary won in NH last election and Sununu is basically a RINO.

>>58991

Who cares. If they weren't willing to leave their liberal Starbucks lifestyle they weren't serious in the first place. What we do need is a community of purists, somewhere in Alaska or some place like that; a real Galt's Gulch.

>>58991

You hit it right on the nose with the "wrong kind of people". A lot of movers showed up, immediately got on government assistance and live in their cars. These degenerates scared away a lot of the purists >>59006

>>58973

i need visa and i will not get it because im from shitty 2nd world state

>>59011

Where? Russia?

>>59023

poland

>>59080

Try for the visa anyway. At the very least, come to NH and advertise it to more of your Polish friends.

>>59084

is north carolina much worse than nh? i like wildlife of north carolina more than that of NH

>>59125

NH is much prettier than NC. I've lived in both Asheville and now Manchester, and I much prefer Manch.

>>58973

Convince me to move to NH.

>>59080

>>59084

lots of poles around laconia, most of them from families that immigrated from katowice in the 50s though

>>59156

Im a bit biased, but imho this state is the least cucked in regards of regulations and other bullshit laws (this wont be the case for long though, soccer moms and other plebbit tier retards are already trying to sodomize us). Bad things include the weather and the amount of increasing 'libertarians' we have (e.g https://twitter.com/josephstallcop). The FSP is eternally fucked, you decide why you would want to move though, no real reason for 'convincing'.

>>59157

NH is an island of liberty surrounded by a sea of quasi-socialist states (Mass, Vermont, Connecticut, NY). They voted for crooked Hillary last election and still have laws against cannabis (they allow real milk though which is good if not better).

If I had to pick a state to be a liberty destination I'd pick Montana or Alaska. Those states are the only ones which could realistically secede.

>>59161

Texas pays more into the federal government than it gets back, has its own power grid, has a history as an independent nation other than the CSA, and has a pretty strong secessionist movement compared to others in the country. In addition, knife laws recently improved and there isn't a state income tax.

>>59164

Yes. Texas, Montana, or Alaska as destination would be ideal.

What does NH have going for it, really? As >>58988 said, the FSP picking NH over the more logical choices is clearly a sign of a hidden agenda, namely laziness.

>>59164

I like Texas for the most part, just wish their gun laws weren't so cucked/their police would fuck off.

FFS we have freer/easier access to guns in Colorado (outside Denver) than y'all do down in Texas. Only laws on the books are the Colorado constitution saying it's illegal to license weapons (we only have CCW because of reciprocity with other states really), some Denver BS about extended mags, and you can't have your long arms chambered while driving/need a CCW to chamber a handgun while driving.

>>59165

Not him >>59164, but as a Free Stater going on three years in NH I can clear up some misconceptions.

NH wasn't chosen because the early movers didn't want to move across country. It was chosen because it has extremely lax laws on guns, lax laws on locally-produced food, very little taxes and strong property rights. It's true that property taxes can be very high, however property tax is done by town (so property taxes in Keene are much higher than, say, property taxes in towns up north).

I live in a small town called New Boston. I pay less property taxes here than I did back in Florida.

A school choice bill was recently signed, so it's very likely that homeschool laws will also be loosened up in the next few years (all due to the acts of Free Staters).

NH gets cold in the winter but not nearly as cold as Michigan or Ohio. We even got less snow last winter than Maryland.

>>58973

>Well /liberty/, what's your excuse for not moving to New Hampshire yet?

Because I've lived in Connecticut and know what snow is.

>tfw i live in NH

>tfw i can't sleep because fireworks are legal here and all the neighbors are shooting them off

>>59267

is it a pinnacle of freedom to use fireworks? hahah they are legal even in europe

>>59298

The US receives about 3x as much sunlight and 1/2 the rain you get in Europe.

Fireworks outside of the North East are a forest fire/brush fire waiting to happen.

>>59299

ok i understand now

also i envy you much sunlight

>>59267

illegal in NJ but that doesn't stop anyone. Also, nearby towns have fireworks on different days just to maximize the amount of visitors.

>>59157

Isn't Katowice the hometown of Carl Menger, the founder of Austrian Econ?

>>59321

Nowy Sacz

FSP is dead m8.

Why I won't move:

1.Massholes keep moving to NH and voting for more statism.

2. New Yorkers and Connecticutites move to NH and do the same.

3. Only eight hours away from the FEDs in DC.

4. Not enough open countryside. Northern NH seems sparsely populated *but* most of the land is mountainous and not arable at all.

5. Hippie faggots in Vermont have better gun rights.

6. NH has no ability to successfully secede. Texas has always had a strong secessionist movement and is large enough with plenty of natural resources like minerals and crude oil. Alaska is huge and could easily make it without Washington. Hawaii considers itself a "colony." Commiefornians at least have a large enough economy plus plenty of "brains" in Silicon Valley (even though an independent CA would become another Venezuela within six months). Montana, Wyoming, and Cascadia are also quite large and resource-plenty. What the FUCK does NH have going for it that could make any chance of secession possible?

7. No sales or personal income tax sound great until you realize the FEDs are primarily extorting us through property tax. Property tax is a bigger theft than anything because it proves property rights are non-existent. If the FSP were serious they'd be demanding an end to ALL property taxes instead of going after victimless crime laws.

8. Homeschooling laws are still restrictive.

9. Cannabis prohibition is still on the books.

10. Trashua, Manchvegas and Salem are full of shitskins. Last time I went to Nashua I dropped into a random bar downtown and everyone was speaking Portuguese. Muds are inherently bad for liberty since they vote for more statism. Freedom and capitalism have always been European values. I understand NH is 93% white but that high number is slowly declining. It won't be long before Salem becomes another Dearborn and Nashua becomes Rio De Janeiro Jr.

11. Most NHites haven't even heard of Bitcoin and yet we're all supposed to believe NH is the "BTC capital of the world."

12. NH voted for Shillary by a large margin.

Personally, I'm not going to move to NH because I want to improve my own state rather than flee and watch it consume itself with debt.

>>59676

Salem is 90% white.

Nashua is 80% white.

>>59676

>1.Massholes keep moving to NH and voting for more statism.

Massholes keep NH Republican.

>2. New Yorkers and Connecticutites move to NH and do the same.

They're tiny compared to movers from other states. Besides, most New Yorkers here are Free Staters.

>3. Only eight hours away from the FEDs in DC.

Meaningless.

>4. Not enough open countryside. Northern NH seems sparsely populated *but* most of the land is mountainous and not arable at all.

There are plenty of farms up in north country. Obviously, you've never been.

>5. Hippie faggots in Vermont have better gun rights.

They're still leftist scum. Why not come to NH and campaign for stronger gun rights in a state that's already highly libertarian?

>6. NH has no ability to successfully secede.

Here's what you're forgetting:

>NH gives more to the gov than it takes

>NH has a strong IT sector

>NH is full of self-sufficient individuals. Lack of state services forces the population to be more self-reliant

>NH grows most of its own produce

>NH is far less dependent on other states as other states are on NH

>zero taxes and regulations would encourage more small businesses to move here and build a strong, ethical economy

>7. No sales or personal income tax sound great until you realize the FEDs are primarily extorting us through property tax.

Not necessarily.

>8. Homeschooling laws are still restrictive.

We just passed a major school choice bill.

>9. Cannabis prohibition is still on the books.

We're working on that as we speak.

>10. Trashua, Manchvegas and Salem are full of shitskins.

They will leave once the last remaining welfare is cut.

>11. Most NHites haven't even heard of Bitcoin and yet we're all supposed to believe NH is the "BTC capital of the world."

Now I know you've never been here. Most places in Keene and Portsmouth take Bitcoin.

>12. NH voted for Shillary by a large margin.

Crooked Hillary won NH by something like 2000 votes.

>>58988

Keep in mind many Free Staters are in NH without having signed up.

>>59696

Great points, just to add:

6. NH also has access to the sea, Portsmouth used to be as big of a harbor town as Boston until the British destroyed it

7. The tax burden is overall lower than most of the Union

10. NH is still more than 90% white

11. I live in Keene and while not most places accept Bitcoin more places than anywhere else per capita I can tell you.

12. It was most likely liberal college students from out of state who gave her those votes. I know plenty of people who voted early in their home state and then voted in NH on election day.

The NHGOP have a plan on stopping this that ironically a lot of Free Stater "libertarians" oppose.

>>59676

>Salem becomes another Dearborn

Muslims have always been very libertarian when it comes to economics. Muhammad was a merchant and a rich one after all.

>>59787

>>59785

There were free markets during the Islamic Golden Age which became more mutual aid-based. Also, Islam literally prohibits socialism.

>>59814

Islam prohibits the use of fiat currency and price-fixing.

>>59849

Can you cite the relevant passages? Are they even interpreted that way by modern muslims?

>>59125

Tennessee is more libertarian than North Carolina. Southerners need to start their own free state project

>>59170

Texas has based gun laws other than concealed carry

>>59301

we have fireworks in Texas.

>>59895

Or rather, they need to move up here to NH.

>>59410

Trąbski wykurwiaj.

>>59896

They might not officially have gun laws, but have fun getting shot up by cops if you take your firearms off your lawn. For years you couldn't even open carry in Texas.

>>59809

https://www.reddit.com/r/islam/comments/6n3kia/if_top_5_rich_people_donate_3_of_their_income_to/dk73tjs/

>>59800

How were there free markets when they had the jizya and usury was prohibited?

This thread is a great list of all the future failed states of the next 20 years. It'll be fun watching shit crash like Bioshock or Somalia. Just don't lump California in with the rest of you idiots, their the only ones on the right track.

>>59924

Islam doesn't prohibit interest. Islamic banks use different techniques to make a profit off of loans and give money its value. Jizya was historically an act of mercy. Instead of killing religious minorities they allowed them to pay a voluntary fee for protection.

>>59939

And I suppose the mafia has your best interests at heart when they shake you down?

>>59949

The mafia has historically been politically progressive. See: Renegade History of the United States.

>>59939

>voluntary

:o ?

>>60245

Jizya is voluntary, yes.

>>59676

>1.Massholes keep moving to NH and voting for more statism.

>2. New Yorkers and Connecticutites move to NH and do the same.

Source for these claims.

>5. Hippie faggots in Vermont have better gun rights.

Not true.

>>60317

will i have to go to mosque to pray if im an atheist? will i have right to bear arms for self defence? what about CP?

>>60407

Islam has historically been very tolerant of other faiths and no faith.

NH JUST GOT WEED DECRIMINALIZED.

I REPEAT, NH JUST GOT WEED DECRIMINALIZED.

MOVE MOVE MOVE.

>>60482

Quit shilling for the FSP.

>>60492

Why? Having most libertarians move to a single geographical location will be extremely good for liberty in the long-run.

>>60543

Come to NH and see what we're doing here.

>>60583

The FSP and movers aren't really doing anything. The only libertarian politicians are all turncoats from other parties who'll be voted out next cycle. Many movers don't even vote and sit around all day doing drugs and collecting EBT and foodstamps. The only ones doing any noticeable activism are all in Keene.

>>60638

>Many movers don't even vote and sit around all day doing drugs and collecting EBT and foodstamps.

Name them.

>>60640

Why don't you make me you little faggot?

>>60676

I want to know why you believe the FSP isn't worth. Randomly listing off anecdotes isn't a logical reason.

>>60828

If you're hellbent on shilling for the Koch Brothers go to the Quill you'll find plenty.

>>60888

The FSP is against the Kochs, dipshit.

>>60901

Quite the opposite you fucking liar. Now who's randomly listing off anecdotes?

http://realkochfacts.com/the-kochs-are-funding-an-extreme-libertarian-project-in-new-hampshire/

>>60929

These accusations have existed for years yet there's literally no evidence to back them up.

>>60956

I literally just posted proof. Give up, you're making yourself look stupid. I know it must hurt your pathetic follower brain, but it was never the organization that made the Shire, it was the individual movers, and a small number of movers have contributed significantly more than most others.

>>60956

The Kochs fund virtually all libertarian groups and Republican groups.

Some of those groups hate the Kochs but begrudgingly accept their money anyways (such as the FSP).

>>60929

>extreme

I wish I lived in the world that these statists seem to think exists.

>>61054

>>61052

None of that is proof. Show me solid evidence the fSP takes Koch money.

>>61052

The link to the FSP website does not show the formentioned organizations as sponsors listed in the article:

http://nhlabornews.com/2015/03/koch-brothers-helping-to-fund-free-state-movement/

>>61140

I'm not saying it's proof. I was just pointing out it wouldn't surprise me if it did.

I got no stake in this thread so it's not really worth my time to research more into this.

I'd move but the only place in NH I really want to be (Portsmouth) is far too expensive. 2k for a studio? Really?

So what happens when you get your Ancap utopian in NH, and all the mutualists and anarcho-syndicalists start taking everything over in absence of a state?

>>62906

People defend their property I guess

>>62911

With what? PDAs?

>>62917

Angry youtube videos.

>>62917

with guns