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 No.31225>>31839 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

As it is said in the Bible, "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God, and love your neighbor as yourself." We all agree that we must love, but we do not, and this becomes particularly appalling when we enter into the higher realm of spiritual development.

Everybody these days is interested in spiritual development, and wisely so, because we want to change our consciousness. Many people are well aware that this egocentric consciousness is a hallucination, and they presume it is the function of religion to change it.

After all, that is what the Zen Buddhists, and all these yogis in the Orient are doing. They are changing their state of consciousness to get something called satori, or mystical experience, or nirvana, or moksha. Everybody is really enthused about that because it is the definitive spiritual experience, and you do not get that in church. Although there have been Christian mystics, the church has been very quiet about them.

In the average church, all you get is talk there is no meditation and no spiritual discipline. They interminably tell God what to do, as if He did not know. Then they tell the people what to do, as if they could do what they're told, or even wanted to. Then they sing religious nursery rhymes. And then, to cap it all, the Roman Catholic Church which at least had an unintelligible service that was real mysterious and suggested vast goings on went on to put the service into bad English. They took away incense, and became essentially a bunch of Protestants, and so now even the Catholics are at loose ends.

As Clare Boothe Luce said, "It is no longer possible to practice contemplative prayer at mass." You are being advised, exhorted, and edified all the time, and that becomes a bore. Think of God,listening to all those prayers. Talk about grieving the Holy Spirit. It is just awful; people have no consideration for God at all.

In pursuing spiritual disciplines, however, such as yoga, Zen, and also psychotherapy, there arises a difficulty. This difficulty lies in wanting to find a method whereby I can change my consciousness and improve myself.

But the self that needs to be improved is the one that is doing the improving, and so I am rather stuck. I find out that the reason I think I believe in God is that I hope that somehow God will rescue me. In other words, I want to hang on to my own existence and feel rather shaky about doing that for myself, so I hope there is a God who will take care of it. Or I may think that if only I could be loving, I would have a better opinion of myself. I could face myself if I were more loving. So by some gimmickry the unloving me has to turn itself into a loving me.

This is just like trying to lift yourself off the ground with your own bootstraps; it cannot be done..

That is why religion, in practice, mainly produces hypocrisy and guilt, due to the constant failure of these enterprises.

 No.31226

People study Zen, and they say that getting rid of your ego is a superhuman task. I assure you it is very, very difficult to get rid of your ego. You have to sit for a long time, and you are going to get the sorest legs. It is hard work, and all you wretched kids who think you are getting rid of your ego with easy yoga do not know what you are in for.

The biggest ego trip is getting rid of your ego, and of course the joke of it all is that your ego does not exist. There is nothing to get rid of. It is an illusion, as I have tried to explain, but still you ask how to stop the illusion.

But who is asking? In the ordinary sense in which we use the word I, how can I stop identifying myself with the wrong me? The answer is simply that you cannot. The Christians acknowledge this by saying that mystical experience is a gift of divine grace. Man, as such, cannot achieve this experience; it is a gift of God, and if God does not give it to you there is no way of getting it. That is solidly true, since you cannot do anything about it because you do not exist.

You might say that is pretty depressing news, but the whole point is that it is not depressing news. It is the joyous news. There is a Zen poem that talks about "it," meaning the mystical experience, satori, the realization that you are, as Jesus was, the eternal energy of the universe. The poem says, "You cannot catch hold of it, nor can you get rid of it. In not being able to get it, you get it. When you speak, it is silent. When you are silent, it speaks."

This phrase not being able to get it, you get it is the feeling Krishnamurti tries to convey to people when he says, "Why do you ask for a method? There is no method. All methods are simply gimmicks for strengthening your ego." How do we not ask for a method? He answers, "In asking that you are still asking for a method." There is no method. If you really understand what your "I" is, you will see there is no method.

We think this is so sad, but it is not. This is the gospel, the good news, because if you cannot achieve it, if you cannot transform yourself, that means that the main obstacle to mystical vision has collapsed. That obstacle was you.

What happens next? By now you are at your wit's end, but what are you going to do go to sleep? Suppose you just put that off for a little while, and wait and see what happens. You cannot control your thoughts, and you cannot control your feelings, because there is no controller. You are your thoughts and your feelings, and they are running along, running along, running along.

Just sit and watch them. There they go. You are still breathing, aren't you? Still growing your hair; still seeing and hearing. Are you doing that? Is breathing something that you do? Do you see? Do you organize the operations of your eyes, and know exactly how to work those rods and cones in the retina? Do you do that? It happens, and it is a happening. Your breathing is happening. Your thinking is happening. Your feeling is happening. Your hearing, your seeing, the clouds are happening across the sky. The sky is happening blue; the sun is happening shining. There it is: all this happening. May I introduce you? This is yourself. This is a vision of who you really are, and the way you really function.


 No.31231

I have no idea where you're going with this ride OP, but I'm glad to be on board.


 No.31246>>31277

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OP, while the write up was interesting, I think you have obscured the message when it is quite a simple matter; truth should be easy to understand, after all.

>the joke of it all is that the ego does not exist

>you are your thoughts and feelings

I believe the ego does exist, but it is what's confused for one's true self.

The true self can be logically deduced by doing a form of self stock taking; whatever you can remove simply can not be the true self. A common misconception is that a person is composed of their thoughts and feelings, but seeing as those thoughts and feelings come and go, we must not be any of them. This is most obvious during meditation, where one seeks to stop all thought. In doing so, you come to realise what your true self is; it's the one that observes all those thoughts, the one that experiences those feelings.

I urge everyone to give meditation a try so that you can truly understand the experience; it provides a new outlook on life when you realise your thoughts are not you.

I hope that this helps those who didn't understand what OP meant.


 No.31277>>31278 >>31287 >>31288

>>31246

Is that a huge dick chariot?


 No.31278

>>31277

Yes. It's also a joke boss demon from SMT


 No.31287

>>31277

It's how Mara, the Buddhist equivalent of the devil, is depicted in Shin Megami Tensei.


 No.31288

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>>31277

Obviously not you huge pervert.


 No.31321>>31323 >>31325

>That is why religion, in practice, mainly produces hypocrisy and guilt, due to the constant failure of these enterprises

My family was very very very religious. My mom and aunt and uncles seeked out yogis/seers/swamis etc.

It was all a waste of money, it divided up the fam because different fams followed different cults/beliefs, decisions were made for myself and my younger brother that fucked us over.

Over the past 3 years mom went and threw away almost all of the family savings. Kek. So if my parents die, there really isn't anything for my brothers and sister.

The money thing is sad but it's worse knowing that your mom is a legitimate psycho and that she became this way due to belief in religion and "spirituality ".

I have ducking nothing now. I never got along with my dad and I genuinely found solace and peace in the religious practices. And now the whole thing is just tainted. I cannot enjoy it ever again.

Religion is a mistake. Karma is just a philosophy to appease the masses; so that the rich can live comfortably without guilt, while it makes the poor content with their lot.

sage because this is a blog post and it's just a pointless rant.


 No.31323>>31328

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>>31321

As someone who has also had their life fucked due to religion, I appreciate your story, friend.

>ducking


 No.31325

>>31321

Your family throwing away money doesn't mean that religion is wrong, just that they are naive; at most you spend as much money as the founding text costs, less if you decide to read a digital version rather than a physical copy.


 No.31328>>31329 >>31338

>>31323

You deserved to have your life fucked for being a cunt.

And no, I'm not religious


 No.31329

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>>31328

Don't bully


 No.31338

>>31328

Whoa friend, where did that come from?


 No.31839

>>31225 (OP)

I was once like you, but a couple of weeks ago, I just snapped. My life is a mess and I don't even want to live anymore. God is there when I'm weak. The only reason I don't have a bullet in my head is because I'm waiting for God to take me home, I'd never take God's job. Maybe now that he's brought me down to a point where I have no choice but to submit, maybe now I can finally understand what my family has tried to teach me for 20 years.




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