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There's no discharge in the war!

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3bea52 No.687473

How important is bullet weight if you have high ft⋅lbf as well as high fp/s?

If I could achieve

55 gr. - 2,500 ft/s - 763 ft⋅lbf With 357 sig

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28 gr. - 2,350 ft/s - 344 ft⋅lbf with 5.7x28

Versus

175 gr - 1,290 ft/s - 649 ft⋅lbf with 10mm

Versus

125 gr - 1,450 ft/s - 584 ft⋅lbf 357 magnum'

versus

'

124 gr - 1,225 ft/s - 413 ft⋅lbf 9mm

Am I better off going with the 357 sig since it beats the other calibers in velocity & Ft-lbf but not weight?

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7391f6 No.687476

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>>687473

Its bullet fragmentation/expansion that matters, i.e energy dumped into the target. If said round icepicks because its going supersanic retard fast you're gonna find yourself having a real bad time.

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3bea52 No.687477

>>687476

So something like this is great performance?

https://youtu.be/G0EVjsX6G98

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22a457 No.687485

>>687473

Pistol cartridges offer similar performance with hollow points unless you go up to hot loads in 10mm/.45 super. Select the handgun you want first then choose a cartridge for it. .357 sig is popular enough to be easy to find and you can (almost) always get a .40 S&W barrel for the same gun. Just get what feels best to shoot for you. Also lighter bullets tend to have lower sectional densities so they penetrate less.

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9f2798 No.687486

>>687473

All but weakest pistol cartridges (i.e. 22 or 380) perform the same in the field, where "performance" is ability to stop the attacker. Weak cartridges take about 50% more hits on average to do the job. With that in mind, it doesn't really matter. However, attacker wearing an armor would make a difference between small and large diameter rounds apparent, with latter being generally inadequate as they fail to penetrate the armor.

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9f2798 No.687487

>>687486

Also, if you're worried about the enemy's safety: hollow points are less likely to kill statistically.

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3b9531 No.687494

Velocity does not guarantee permanent stretch cavities, therefore hyper velocity low weight for cartridge rounds don't magically create that effect. Such effects are dependent on energy, momentum's effect on the bullet and how it resists and causes resistance in tissue, expansion of the bullet both in terms of amount and speed of expansion as well as the original size of the bullet, weight is important in energy and how the energy is conserved and used as it impacts the target, a very complicated thing to try to understand. tl;dr on this part, even if a 55 grain bullet in 357 Sig is possible, it won't cause much, if any, permanent stretch or "hydrostatic shock' as it is also called, so the seemingly impressive velocity and energy aren't going to have the effect of a low power to high power rifle soft point bullet.

Second of all, momentum of heavy bullets means they tend to use their energy more efficiently in destroying tissue, lighter bullets of the same energy tend to damage less total tissue because their force in tissue tends to be wasted in worthless temporary stretch cavities. Lighter bullets will cause more temporary stretch and have less energy to keep piercing forward and stop shorter, meaning less penetration and damage. A heavier bullet will keep 'trucking" on deeper. Penetration is increased in heavy bullets by both their momentum and sectional densities, in the end in the handgun the heavier bullets for cartridge have the advantage in tissue damage out of the gate, only bullet construction can try to tip a lighter weight bullet towards better damage.

>>687477

Fragmenting bullets in handguns are a joke. Soft points and hollow points that fragment the least in rifle rounds are superior to those that fragment the most. In any case, fragmentation is undesirable, quick and wide expansion is desirable. In rifle bullets, fragmentation may be unavoidable, due to so much energy/velocity/dynamics, but even there hunting bullets that have less fragmentation are considered superior. In handguns, fragmentation is never good, 0% is always the better percentage of fragment weight and 100% is the desired retained weight of bullet. Fragments shed energy and momentum, they also shed material from the front of the expanded bullet face and decrease diameter and shape.

Fragmenting bullets do not expand well, they do not penetrate well. They offer less damage than non expanding bullets and hollow points. Liberty, RIP, et al are all gimmick trash. A 55 grain ball in 5.56 NATO will cause permanent stretch damage, not because of the fragmentation but because of the rapid and violent expansion of the bullet at high energy that leads to the bullet finally fragmenting from the violent expansion of the thin skinned bullet. A 55 grain 357 Sig bullet at 2500 fps won't even come close, won't be impressive at all.

Stick to tried and true high end hollow points of regular weight for cartridge. The whole super light weight bullet for cartridge thing was built on the junk science of the late 1970's and 1980's, but has been since heavily refuted.

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3bea52 No.687500

>>687494

So go with something like ranger SXT?

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9b2fd0 No.687544

>>687476

> If said round icepicks because its going supersanic retard fast

Isn't there a higher chance of deformation/fragmention if the bullets going fucktardedly fast?

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192813 No.687545

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>>687494

>1970's and 1980's, but has been since heavily refuted

>since

TKO is still a good standard to go by.

THICC trumps DFC unless you want penetration.

>>687544

Only if you're talking about lead and copper.

If your going to be shooting retardedly fast you might as well clad stronger materials in copper.

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7391f6 No.687548

>>687544

I've had a .308 caliber bullet pass clean through a deer with fuckall for deformation, somehow missed any bit of bone that could have been there. Nothing like finding a bullet bent from impact in a tree. I assume it hit said deer going just under or around 3000fps.

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18b095 No.687571

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>>687545

>THICC trumps DFC unless you want penetration

The opposite of DFC is cowtits, and in this context it would make much more sense to refer to wadcutters as DFC. You see, DFC and loli are different things, despite what the uneducated might think, and you can have a tall girl with DFC and thick thighs.

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192813 No.687684

>>687571

But is there an opposite for THICC?

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3bea52 No.687984

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>>687571

Did you know that they made a 38 Special autoloader decades ago?

https://www.shootingtimes.com/editorial/handgun_reviews_st_swmodel5238_200906/100100

Imagine a 45 LC auto loader.

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7391f6 No.687987

>>687984

1911's have been chambered in .357 for as long as I can remember. Almost want to develop a wadcutter that has a jacket so you can propel it faster than 1100fps.

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d0c2f4 No.687995

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3bea52 No.688014

>>687987

I really wish 357 SIG could utilize wadcutters without issue.

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