/k/ - Weapons

Is that a makeshift Submarine?

>>683767

quiet possible. certainly they have a lot of experience

>>683771

where have you been these past few years? of course it is.

Stop using hooktube you god damn underage nigger. BO should make this a 1-month banable offense. You didn't bother with archiving either.

>>683767

>>683771

Think about it, these fuckers literally have to have submarine pens somewhere to make this work, they have to have relatively advanced machine shops making them, they had to have at least a few engineers draw out blueprints for balancing ballast and running ducting, they have to have an entire infrastructure behind the scenes. It isn't fancy even compared to ww2 diesels, sure, but at what point do these cartels go past the point of cartels and more into the realm of 'rebelling government' or something of the sort?

>>683829

Nah. That's the street value. The Cartel only makes a small percentage of that and have the maximum of expenditure.

Also they have a whole family of subs.

Chink smugglers are on a complete different level.

As in stealth armored submersible landing ship kind of level.

>>683831

>>683828

I think gypsies would die literally the moment they were officially put to work.

>>683787

Considering they're the only ones actually defending us, no shit.

>>683869

>spetznaz jumps through the windshields of moving cars and backflips off the hood

<WOW! BASTE! EPIC! NATO WATCH OUT!

>Coastie jumps onto the deck of a semi-sub moving at 15 knots

<WOW WHAT AN IDIOT DOESN'T HE KNOW HE COULD GET HURT!? I CAN'T BELIEVE /k/ HAS FALLEN SO LOW AS TO ACTUALLY APPRECIATE ANYTHING AMERICAN AT ALL FOR ONCE

Its all so tiresome.

>>683934

>jumping onto the deck of a semi-sub at 15 knots and arresting the sailors

<not blasting the sub while the US anthem plays in the background

<not torturing any survivors and posting the images online for all cartelniggers to see

<not mounting the remains of the sub crew as figureheads on the coast guard monitor to strike fear into the heart of the enemy

<not having the coast guard engage in dickwaving contests on who has the most cartel corpses mounted on their prow

>>683941

Burning cartel and immigrant boats with greek fire when?

>>683938

And what happens if you miss the windshield and fuck your legs up? The car suddenly accelerates or brakes and you end up under the tires? That maneuver is one of the dumbest and flashiest things with no real world value they do aside from kicking the paddle release and charging handle of AKs pointed at them.

So what happens if the coastie misses the deck or falls off? He ends up taking a swim and is picked up by one of the several RHIBs that have already cornered the semi-sub as it cannot outrun it. They also need to get on board and shove a gun in the crew's face before they open the seacocks and sink their motorized bathtub with all the evidence on board.

>>683974

>what happens if a meteor falls on their heads???

>and what happens if they git by a thunder???

>and what happens if the earth explodes???

>>683976

>Kriegsmarine when?

How expensive would a ramshackle civilian fixed wing aircraft /k/arrier be to operate and where would construction of such a vessel be considered legal enough for the would-be captain and crew not to get suicided six times in the back of the head before the ship's keel is even laid down?

>>684029

I'd like to try and figure out what you'd need to make your own personal sub hunter. I feel there's three big issues you need to address on the equipment standpoint, that being what design of boat you use, what weapon system you utilize to disable/destroy the narcosubs and finally what, if any, aircraft you support. I also have to determine what kind of budget we're dealing with. Is this a pair of poorfags, a half dozen or so older Streloks who've built up some savings and decide to blow it on this mission or some richfag? Either way, I'm assuming we're working with well under a million and will attempt to figure out how to do this as cheaply as possible.

The first issue we're gonna run into is that we need roughly two things out of our sub chaser, range (fuel endurance, accommodations, and general blue-water seaworthiness) and speed. Range is obvious, you aren't patrolling the Pacific coast in a 18ft aluminum fishing boat. Speed is another issue, not the least because as range goes up, speed tends to come down unless you want to spend A LOT of money. And that's the main problem, boats are fucking expensive. And once you get into steel ships, not only do the expenses skyrocket, but so does the crew skills required to operate it.

How you plan to disable the sub is an interesting question, but I suppose your two main options are explosives or kinetic weapons. Now, we all know about depth charges, but even WW2-era military depth charges needed to be extremely close to a submarine to destroy it. A group of recreational subhunters probably aren't going to dropping charges of those sizes, especially if you're attacking from the air, which essentially means you'd need a direct hit to ensure a kill. Of course, a narcosub almost certainly lacks the ruggedness of a Type VII, but any estimate of how a sub of that kind will hold up to a small explosive would be entirely guesswork on my part. The other option is to just get a rifle with decent penetration qualities and poke holes in the hull. While it's quite a bit less exciting, it's probably the more practical option.

I see a recreational subhunting mission going along the lines of the /k/arrier:

This ship here is being sold for $130,000. Ultralight aircraft are capable of taking off in extremely short distances and slow speeds, so if you tore off the railings and rebuilt the smokestack to blow out the side, I see no reason you couldn't take off and land on this thing so long as you steered into the wind. Of course, these planes tend to have short ranges and small payloads. However, it is possible to find twin seat versions that could still make the takeoff and landing requirements. In that case, you'd have your flight crew most likely be a pilot and a navigator/gunner/bombardier. Have the navigator bring a high-powered rifle or some small shaped charges. Issues with this include the fact that the ship in question has questionable blue water capabilities and is rather slow with a max speed of 11kts. Now, if we wanted a total budget version, I'd say find any boat that can carry a crew and launch kamikaze drones carrying small bombs at subs. The issue with that is you've got basically no search radius, nor any ability to strike subs more than a couple miles away.

My final thoughts are pretty much this: For civilians looking to hunt narcosubs, you're way better off just getting a cheap prop plane, installing some ferry tanks then doing air searches while your buddy rides along with a .50 cal rifle or something.

>>683997

Personally, and while of course I have no proof for this, I'd wager a good deal of money that these cartels do in fact have true submersibles, and that these semi-submersibles that get caught are the cheapo versions. They obviously have the infrastructure, they can make their own boats, they can make things hydrodynamic; they have all the necessary resources and people. It would make sense that we just haven't caught one.

>>684048

>The other option is to just get a rifle with decent penetration qualities and poke holes in the hull. While it's quite a bit less exciting, it's probably the more practical option.

That would be difficult since water stops bullets quickly if you're going for a true sub, not an aquatic lowrider.

>For civilians looking to hunt narcosubs, you're way better off just getting a cheap prop plane, installing some ferry tanks then doing air searches while your buddy rides along with a .50 cal rifle or something.

I doubt depth charges are that hard to make, in the event the sub submerges ~5 feet when they see/hear your plane shooting at them.

Also, this may be of /k/'s interest. There's a BAE Jet Provost for sale in CO under $80k.

>>684255

What if the Cartel College of Subnautics students make horrible boats/subs their freshmen year so the cartel sends those to get captured?

>>683938

I like Russia, too but holy crackers you are the biggest slavaboo faggot I have ever seen.

>>684255

We've caught at least two real subs, but ironically those shitty converted speedboats are actually harder to detect. Radar can't see them because the superstructure is mostly fiberglass, active sonar can't see them because they're too small and shallow, and lately they've been modifying the engines to hide them from IR and passive sonar.

>>684048

You could probably build a small Hedgehog or Mousetrap type weapon, which would massively increase your lethality. The warheads don't even need to be very sophisticated, a pound of nitrocellulose will penetrate fiberglass and aluminum just fine. This sort of setup would require a vessel probably 50 feet in length, with a bow that can survive repeated mortar/rocket launches and enough deck space on the stern to operate a spotting drone (a quadcopter would work, but I'd prefer a flying boat design for maximum endurance). Give her a big inboard to enable 15-20kn sprints (narcosubs generally aren't much faster than that) and a little 25hp trolling motor for efficient low-speed patrolling.

Basic strategy would be to troll along a known narco route while the drone circles overhead, then sprint up to the target using the main engines, fire a salvo and GTFO. If the Coast Guard shows up, it should be easy enough to dispose of the launcher (which is basically just a bunch of PVC pipes) and pose as fishermen.