/k/ - Weapons

>>665217

>This is the second time an F35 was lost

bullshit l remember there were more accidents

>>665217

He didn't fly so good

Nipponese YF-23 derivative when?

>>665220

There were only two times when there were complete loss of aircraft (not just a write-off).

First time was an F35B USMC crash in South Carolina last year in September.

There was a previous incident where an Israeli F35 hit a "large stork" over Syria and returned to base damaged so badly that repair was out of the question.

There were also several incidents where F35 planes damaged carrier decks and their own landing gear during carrier trials, and possibly some incidents with YF-35 versions.

This is the second official complete loss of an F35 proper, if the nip government confirms it.

>>665223

(((official complete loss)))

>>665217

What happened to that indigenous SNext-Gen Fighter that they were working on? Both the gooks and the japs have a pretty good Military Industry at producing Heavy Weaponry so why the hell do they even bother with Lockheeb's (((1 trillion dollarydoos))) hangar of failures?

>>665228

>Both the gooks and the japs have a pretty good Military Industry at producing Heavy Weaponry so why the hell do they even bother with Lockheeb's (((1 trillion dollarydoos))) hangar of failures?

because they have no choice.

>>665217

Are the Nips looking for a replacement for the Zeros now?

Probably RIP, hopefully it was at least quick

>>665228

The Nips are still under US occupation, they don't get to choose when Uncle Sam wants to sell them PatriotPlanes.

>>665228

Trump got elected and literally went on "either you pay (((us))) protection money or we fuck off and let China eat you" tour.

>>665228

Japan is legally not allowed to wage war, south Korea is basically 51st state of the USA

>>665223

>>665225

>it will only be considered a loss when they say it is

You can't make this shit up

>>665219

>but instead I feel sad because it's the pilots who will pay the real cost for Lockheeb's greed.

Don't worry, anon, Lockheeb cares for the pilot's wellbeing, which is why they built in a quick suicide switch so that the end is quick and relatively painless compared to burning to death in a plane made of jet fuel. The switch is poetically named "escape system", as you escape from the world's suffering.

>>665229

>>665240

>>665245 (nice lucky ID)

>>665248

>the nips don't have a choice

So you're telling me that the Japs are pretty much cucked in making new warplanes since they have to swallow US Military Industrial Complex's cum for the rest of the century? But most of their US-based fighters are made in Japan, and i can get behind their decision with adopting the F-15J (which in turn spawned a series of video games so that they could soothe their long-lost love affair of warplanes). Also the nips are perfectly capable of making their own Heavy Equipment, like their ships and tanks.

>>665258

> for the rest of the century?

USA will collapse before 2050

>>665240

>fly high because fuel efficiency and radar range

>engine suddenly sets on fire

>spreads quickly, systems blow one by one because fuel is also hydraulics and cooling fluid

>eject because single engine aircraft far away from shore or carrier with shit glide rate

>parachute catches in storm and gets carried around the ocean in freezing temperatures for a day with all emergency rations/life-raft gone with the seat

>splash down after more than 24 hours

>hungry, frostbitten and possibly with broken bones

>in the middle of the pacific

>at night

>in a storm

>far away from your plane's last reported position

>slowly freeze and eventually drown

Let's hope he got to impact the surface at relatively high velocity.

>>665261

>USA will collapse by 2050

I don't think they will collapse under their own weight anytime soon, despite US being weaker as ever (or so that most of you say atleast) they are still a long way to go to being a third world shithole.

Hell they managed to limp away from the Great Depression and managed to win the war on two fronts a decade after.

>>665265

>spreads quickly, systems blow one by one because fuel is also hydraulics and cooling fluid

great design idea /sarcasm

>>665265

>eject because single engine aircraft far away from shore or carrier with shit glide rate

>ejection system breaks my neck in moments

>enjoy eternal rest

>>665257

This. F-35's ejection seat is specifically designed to kill everyone under the higher-end of Japanese body weight probably to encourage kamikaze tactics in the case of a war against China.

>>665267

You do realize that the reason the USA got out of the Great Depression was because of the war, right? And that the major reason why the USA's economy has been successful is because of its massive Military Industrial Complex, right?

>>665267

Multiculturalism/multiracial will be the death blow for the USA this time

>>665274

It sends you to Gensokyo.

>>665228

Most non-Eurocucked countries that wasted shekels on the JSF program are just trying to cut losses by designing "indigenous" stealths by scavenging whatever salvageable part can be reversed engineered by that piece of crap. This is the reason none of the worst korean, turdroach or nip concepts have made prototypes yet (the X-2 Shinshin doesn't count since it's nowhere near being a fighter aircraft).

>>665267

>Hell they managed to limp away from the Great Depression and managed to win the war on two fronts a decade after.

Niggers and women weren't running shit back then. Also much less kikes.

>>665274

The document in the other said that pilots under a certain weight will die if they eject, while those above that weight have a 23% chance to die and a 100% chance for a neck extension

>>665275

>F-35's ejection seat is specifically designed to kill everyone

Tell me more about this, I'm interested

>F35 disappears

Sounds like they fixed the stealth.

>>665313

I've been to Japan and you're full of shit. They're more ground in reality than your average voodoo Chink/Slope. The gooks are even more disinterested in the supernatural and such, but that's because their culture has been crushed into plastic surgery and laundromats.

>>665313

Boomer posting at its finest.

>>665309

>manikin

>sopranosinquisitivechristopher.png

>>665315

what I'm saying is Japs are still 3rd world and really don't grasp advanced tech. At best they can "monkey see, monkey do", but can't think for themselves, much less think outside the box. The "guts" for all their manufactured products like electronics and engines are all done by imported White engineers.

You could explain to a Jap that "stealth" works because of time travel because if you time travel you aren't "there" to be seen, then you bounce back when not in stealth mode.

>>665228

they actually don't, a lot of their tooling isn't set up for this sort of thing and the tooling they do have is American made….putting a production line of 5th gen aircraft together isn't a easy thing…as of present they lack the ability, they could potentially get there but it would take a long time without American help.

>>665326

>what I'm saying is Japs are still 3rd world and really don't grasp advanced tech.

Said a man from a country where they believe that mutilating your dick makes it cleaner, more aesthetically pleasing and resistant to STD's

>>665322

>Boomer posting at its finest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1LmuCf3aJY

No.665309

>>665326

this is actually on point, you got me thinking you work in the industry if you know that much…lol

>>665313

lol what, Tokyo is cleaner and far more advanced than any shithole in the west.

>>665313

>I wouldn't put it past the Japs to try "sending F-35 back in time to reverse outcome of WW2".

>implying not a good idea

>>665334

sorry, it's not the crash site, it's the point at whichthe aircraft went off the radar.

>>665335

They mostly just kept the momentum of copying White people from back when Europe was at its pinnacle.

>>665335

that's downtown and where people live, go out to the areas where all of the production plants are and look at the quality of the buildings there…all of the production tooling in that country has to be designed off the ground because minor flooding of the production plants….yes fucking aircraft production plants actually flood routinely there.

it's not about culture,it's not about how people live, it's about standard of production and a whole chain of things that center around that…yes, the people and the cities/towns are lovely, they are a lovely people, but that doesn't mean they are capable of building some of the most advanced flight craft the world has ever seen.

>>665326

> Japs are still 3rd world

In the geopolitical context that's technically correct.

>>665339

Judging by F35, neither are americans.

There are more fun ways to spend 90 million dollars to commit suicide even if you want cremation.

>>665332

What are those from?

>>665342

Models are from Sims 3, might be something like TV Amerikwa

>>665338

No shit. It's fucking paradise, probably the only place where I can sleep without having a loud persuasion tool at hand.

>>665339

Been to where the old man in law works, its far more organized and cleaner than my center of operations, because some places flood doesn't mean all of them do. Besides that X-2 Mitsubishi was/is working on looks a hell of a lot more promising than the F35.

>>665335

get outside major cities and on business outside the 20mile wide tourist strip that travels the length of Japan and its common enough to men and even women squatting and shitting in open like its India.

>>665344

>>665352

Nice bait. Now git out.

>>665346

>X-2 Mitsubishi was/is working on looks a hell of a lot more promising than the F35.

It looks like shit but I gotta admit that surpassing mach 2 as a trainer-sized demonstrator is pretty fucking impressive when gooks' combat-oriented fighter-trainer (T-50), sino-pakis' and Taiwan's fulls-scale light-fighters (JF-17, F-CK-1) and F-35 struggle to surpass mach 1.6.

>>665352

What you're describing is san francisco but omitting the heroin addicts.

>>665358

I'm born and bred SF Bay Area. Here we shit in public in the city, and mostly only in the most downtown areas of the city, but not in rural areas.

Reason is all the gibs are in SF, but since its a tourist town the J-Left Govt doesn't have any public bathrooms, because those all get instantly and completely taken over by Fags and Bums. "If you build it they will cum". IIRC they TRIED some public bathrooms but it became instantly clear that you'd need one or more likely at least TWO cops on each bathroom, and even with that you'd only have Bums lined up to "max out" their stay to the legal limit and beyond. You'd need to ARREST Bums for "overstaying" and refusing Police Order to "Shit or get off the pot".

Outside of SF, mostly only Mexicans shit outdoors, when you hire them to blow leaves in your yard.

>>665336

I SERIOUSLY think the Japs should re-make the Yamato with updated tech. One of the big issues with all these modern wonder ships is they have long range, fairly accurate weapons, but not too many and the weapons are fairly light-weight, and the ships themselves are "tin cans".

You could make a semi-valid argument that a new Yamato would be "coastal defense".

>>665276

> USA got out of the Great Depression was because of the war,

dumb Zio-stooge myth.

working 60hr weeks to live on rations in dorm housing and no new clothes, much less cars, to be had is hardly "out of the Depression"

>>665371

>>>665361 (You)

>

>Just let them shit out as many Arsenal Destroyers as their Budget allows and bam, most powerful surface Navy in all of Asia

Just woudn't be the same.

Pro-tip: Space Battleship new-Yamato's real job would not be to beat enemy, but to sacrifice itself for Japan and Emperor, hopefully going down with all hands.

>>665267

>managed to win the war on two fronts a decade after

Nobody truly won the European theater alone.

>>665314

Came here to say this, the F35 is probably fine, its probably on some spec ops mission or something and the nips needed and excuse to cover it up.

>>665361

I am skeptical on the ground that passive armour-defense would do shit against modern weaponry and by the fact that artillery of that size is largely outtdated since it's no more cost effective than guided ammunition of the same yield and MUCH greater range. I know the Iowa was recommissioned twice but it was just against sandniggers in an era were school and hospital hitting LGBs were passed as the most advanced guided weaponry.

>>665265

Aren't fires at high altitude (>40,000ft) really, really hard to start? I remember this being an oft-cited point in debates about Korean War dogfights because HMGs simply couldn't ignite enemy aircraft like they could at the lower altitudes seen in WWII, leading to the push for 100% cannon based armament (before guided A2A missiles were a thing of course).

If this F-35 was rapidly lost whole flying high, I'd place my bets on another uncontained blisk failure that immediately compromised the airframe and caused a nearly-instantaneous breakup.

I wonder if Nips cover their F-35s with anime like they do with their choppers

>>665265

Yeah well to be fair, the stuff that's used for hydraulics is a thicker version of the stuff that's used for propulsion, they both inflame just fine. And I guess since, if cooling is lost, you gonna lose engine power anyhow, so might as well use fuel for this and not a dedicated separate fluid. This design makes sense if you think about it, it's not any safer to have three separate systems for this.

>>665352

That's china, I've looked at property in bumfuck Japan. They're civilized.

>>665407

I get it's cool to hate your own country, but the Su-57 (allegedly) passed all its combat trials, whatever those might have been.

>>665386

If by winning war we assume the most basic

>Am I better off now than I was before or during the war?

The only winners are the jews.

>>665413

and us.

>>665414

If you consider having commies in power as being better off…

>>665417

l thought more in terms of territorial gains

l feel very content with how they turned out

>>665414

>Losing most of cultural hubs, Capital leveled and having communist regime installed for 80 years is winning

>No reparations either because they were in Soviet pool which the goverment renounced so Silesia wouldn't become a giant hole in the ground once the soviets strip mine it.

Please, I'm tired of winning so much.

>>665410

No, it's still retarded. Military fashion is in matching the specs as closely as possible, not in showing off what random crap you can come up with.

Thread theme

>>665424

It's good for morale tho

>>665428

If Russians need morale they just sodomize the new guy.

>>665417

>muh commies

During so called "communist" rule poland had

>Expelled the jews

>Became ethnically pure thanks to no jews, germans and hohols

>Polonized the now western poland

>Had big population gain

>Urbanized and Industralized

>Didnt recognized Israel

All in all PRL was based and redpilled

>>665407

>still falling for the overcompensating macho meme

>not tenderly loving your raifus and planefus

>>665418

You prefer Current polish borders to polish second republic borders? You lost a lot to lithuania and ukraine. Isn't Lwow alone worth more than the extra coast?

>>665450

>starfighter

>functioning ejection

the downward ejecting seats had a tendency to kill when the engine died after takeoff. IIRC at least one time a pilot tried to roll the sinking plane to eject downward (relative to the plane) but upward upside down (relative to the ground.

>>665225

>>665254

A "write off" is when an aircraft suffers enough damage that it cannot be fixed at the airfield its stationed at and will have to be sent back for extensive repairs or retired. In most cases a written off aircraft is sent to a boneyard and cannibalized for spare parts. A total loss is self explanatory. Nothing was salvageable. All military powers have these kinds of terms for equipment casualties.

>>665450

Is that confirmed? As far as I know they are still looking, though the chances of them finding him alive dwindle every hour as he's lost at sea. In any case we don't know if he was killed ejecting or succumbed to the elements.

>>665454

F-104 pilots were specifically instructed to roll inverted in the event of a low altitude ejection. Not the best plan of action, but the inverted seat was replaced soon enough with a normal upwards one powerful enough to clear its tall tail.

>>665454

In comparison to the F35, they're functional given you had a chance at not being maimed from the ejection.

>>665314

More like it decided to listen in on the insanity the west produces and decides midflight its a fucking submarine and always had been a submarine.

>>665451

Grrr Germans woowoowoo.

>>665349

>parasite dreams.

Huh. Well that's certainly a lot of whatever the fuck all that is.

>>665341

But then again is it even feasible to try to get a single plane to do errrrything? This whole boondoggle seems like a classic case of trying to make something do everything well and ending up with something that doesn't do anything well.

>>665490

I mean, the F-4, F-16, F/A-18 and F-15E seem to have done the whole "multirole" thing pretty well. Granted all of those airframes started out as interceptors or light weight fighters before being laden with bombs. Though the F-111 was a lousy fighter that couldn't into multi-role, it was a damn good bomb truck.

>>665394

as was noted at the time, most Space Age anti-ship missiles were design to take out equally Space Age "tin cans" which were often now ALUMINUM cans, and wouldn't be any threat to a WW2 era heavy cruiser, much less a battleship. Soviets fielded some heavy anti-ship missiles but IMO, based on even Jap armored ship results, perfect hits from full salvos from entire compliement of TWO of USSRs biggest surface nuclear battlecruisers wouldn't have put a USN battleship out of action, much less sunk it. In addition, USN battleships, along with post WW2 carriers, and the only ships designed to survive modern "under the keel" non-impact torpedo strikes.

IIRC what really doomed the USN battleships was their own robust structure and issues with remodeling to accept lots of new large missiles, and their general outdated design, and lack of sort of electrical power newer ships require.

Yeah, the massive main guns might be sorta a meme but the idea COULD be that as "coastal defense" they would be used to disrupt any attempted landing or resupply of any landing. Mostly a huge ultra heavily armored mega battleship would server as a missile launcher that would require much effort to take out of action. 1/2 of its mission would be to act as target and collect intel on enemy missiles. Big, big steel was cutting edge tech in Japan in 1940, but now its over capacity and looking for something to do. Just as destroyer have grown from 1600 to 9000 tonnes, and carriers are now 100,000 a new mega battleship should be about 150,000 and big enough to carry F-35 etc on stern deck, and probaby have 3 helio pads on #1 and #2 turrets and fore-deck. Launch E-boat sized aux craft for subhunting, radar and AAA picket and liaison.

Lots of work being done on extended range rocket-enhanced 155mm navel guns, as well as guided 76mm AAA, and those are all "cartridge" single unit ammo. I'm pretty sure an old school breach loader over 18" dia would open up some game.

>>665495

funny, some planes ease into multi-role after initial success and proving they aren't "lemons", but when a bureaucracy tries to force a "multi-role success story" it always flops.

And now they are trying to combine VTOL and completely non-VTOL normal USAF deluxe runway based jet. To me that is about 3 design jumps too many to hope for.

Is it a coincidence that this idea is being forced at the same time as legions of perverts are forcing children to become transsexuals with surgery and hormones? Meet the Speaker of the House (all SPENDING bills start in House) during most of the F-35 main runup. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Hastert

>>665412

>what money, time and resources???

All I see is 1.5 quarts of random paint they needed to get rid of anyways, and a few guys having fun on their off-duty time doing something besides getting drunk AND fighting.

Here is USA we have shitty looking "school murals" that always look like shit pushing various SJW themes and political lies of the week.

https://this.kiji.is/488520875151262817?c=39546741839462401

http://archive.is/k2aY5

Pilot reported "Aborting training" before plane dropped off radar

>Defence　Minister Iwaya Takeshi has released to the press today that the pilot of the F35A communicated that he would abort the training flight just before his plane dropped off the radar. The JASDF is investigating the possibility that the pilot had encountered some sort of trouble or irregularities during the flight.

>レーダー消失直前に「訓練中止」と操縦士

>岩屋毅防衛相は、墜落したF35Aが訓練を中止すると無線通信し、その後、レーダーから機影が消えたと明らかにした。航空自衛隊は、操縦士が直前に何らかの異変を認識していた可能性があるとみて調べる。

>>665522

>Would a 150k ton battleship have enough size to accommodate a nuclear reactor

Yes

>with enough output to power at least 2 railguns?

Why use experimental tech on something so expensive? Why not use good old proven tech?

If anything navies should invest in guided MLRS systems

F15 wartime attrition rate is lower than F35 peacetime attrition rate…

>>665555

That looks like a QUALITY pilot.

>>665454

At low altitudes the downward ejection was suicidal, sure, but at least it worked in the sense that it'd actually eject the pilot. Besides, it was changed to a standard upward ejection later on when Lockheeb got better tech to make the seats launch far enough to clear the tail wing in time.

>>665555

Nice, and checked.

>>665555 ✅

>>665555

woah hey guys welcome to eb games

>>665591

The F-15X is a thing so there might still be a faint hope for three-surface F-15s equipped with TVC nozzles in mainstream service.

>>665450

see >>665309

It's genius, actually. A pilot who barely survived would probably shit on the plane, doing it bad PR. By killing him, you can say "We will never know what happened, probably pilot error, lol" and carry on as though nothing had happened.

>>665438

Fun Fact: GROM, the Polish special forces were created with sole purpose of ensuring a shipment of jews from Poland to israel arrives at the target destination with not a single jew being lost, dying, or running away along the way (Operation Bridge "Operacja Most"), they did the job so well they became full time special ops unit.

>>665616

So what? Jews go back to israel, everybody's happy

>>665627

>First unit created post-Russian occupation.

>NATO trained commandos solely dedicated to jews protection.

>Doesn't find it weird.

>>665630

Yeah its a little bit suspicious but on the other hand jews went gtfo so i dont see a problem there

>>665523

>Why use experimental tech on something so expensive? Why not use good old proven tech?

because Japanese autism, which can be even greater than German autism.

besides, every Godzilla movie I've seen stuff like MLRS just pisses off the monster.

>Would a 150k ton battleship have enough size to accommodate a nuclear reactor

>with enough output to power at least 2 railguns? AFAIK, what you really need are big capacitor banks, since a nuke reactor puts out steady power.

>>665438

>>>665417

>

>>muh commies

>

>During so called "communist" rule poland had

>

>>Expelled the jews

>

>>Became ethnically pure thanks to no jews, germans and hohols

so a Communist Slave State completely under the thumb of Jewish Communists in Moscow was "anti-Semitic". Yeah, sounds believable. Similarly, the Soviets were so anti-Israel that directly after WW2 their Czech factories were churning out Me-109 knockoffs and flying them to Israel, so charge.

>>665267

That was when America was still white.

>>665686

It's jewish D&C at his finest.

The Russian empire in it's last century ran on Pan-Slavic Nationalism backed by the Orthodox Church.

The jews did what all they could to completely break those two ideology (even if did comebacks from time to time, especially once jews started leaving the USSR in mass) by fostering minorities nationalism, independence, autonomism, etc… Even if it meant creating completely new nations from scratch (Romania, Macedonia, Ukraine, Czechoslovakia, etc…). It's also the case inside the soviet union. You didn't have one Oblast without some autonomous district with a ridiculously minuscule minority (on the last Russian census you have several "minorities" that are less than 10 individuals).

So yes, jews have always backed some harmless nationalism as long as it harmed their main adversaries. In the case of post WWII Poland, Polish nationalism is the enemy of BOTH German/Prussian nationalism AND Pan-Slavic (as Poles are pretty much the only Slavs that are catholic).

>>665704

>(as Poles are pretty much the only Slavs that are catholic)

WRONG

Slovaks, Slovakians, Czechs, Croats arent slavs to you?

>>665708

Don't know about Czechens and Slovaks but Slovenes and Croats aren't organic Catholics, they just kissed the Pope's feet to bailout from fighting against turks.

>>665711

Czechs were the OG slav catholics, poland was first christianized thanks to Czech influence

>>665708

West Ukrainians are pretty catholic as well.

>>665723

West u*rainians, just like all u*rainians are Russians in self-denial

>>665723

That's just WE WUZN'T KIEVAN RUS contrarianism.

>>665724

West Ukrainians stem from pvre Iranian aryan stock, Himmler said so.

>>665725

Weirdly aren't they Greek Catholic?

>>665730

>Himmler said so

who gives a fuck about opinion of some chicken farmer?

>>665730

>Himmler said so

Himmler said lots of shit, like

>Ich bin Heinrich Himmler.

For example or

>In the course of history periods of capitalism and socialism alternate with one another; capitalism is the unnatural, socialism the natural economic system…The National Socialists and the Red Front have the same aspirations. The Jews falsified the Revolution in the form of Marxism and that failed to bring fulfilment.

>>665708

Tbh Czech's are majority atheist now. Or more like deists in denial, since the overwhelming majority "believes there is a higher power but wouldn't call it God" since they hate organized religion.

>>665708

Moravia and Bohemia were christened orthodox, the Habsurg made an effort to catholicized them fully after the 30 years war.

It's not so important from a Catholic POV but it's extremely important from an Orthodox POV as the administration of the believers (for both) on a territory stem from the legitimacy of which Patriarchate converted them from pagan to Christians.

Doesn't matter which rites the people actually follow, what matter is precedence and administrative authority. Catholics (Rome Patriarchate) in Poland is legitimate (and a gigantic pain in the butt for a united pan-slavism). Catholics in "Czechoslovakia" is poaching.

The result of this is clear: the church was suppressed in "Czechoslovakia", like in most commies countries as it was useless but largely "tolerated" in Poland.

It's all kind of weird and stupid but once you realize that the thing they were fighting was the very idea of a slav unification, it suddenly makes a lot of sense.

>>665788

>like in most commies countries as it was useless but largely "tolerated" in Poland.

In Poland it was "tolerated" because church was a huge part of peoples lives back then. Especially in villages (with housed majority of the population in early years after the war). Even party official secretly used to baptize their kids and make church marriages. Its the same with collectivization, it was never fully implemented in Poland because neither party nor people wanted it

>>665730

>Weirdly aren't they Greek Catholic?

To my surprise they actually are:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Greek_Catholic_Church

I would not be surprised at all if a sizable percentage of "west Ukranians" that are catholic are actually Poles that were accepting of being assimilated into "ukranian" or "ruthene" terms.

Certainly the areas that were majority polish under the second republic (Lwow and that enclave) sure became "ukranian" fast as Stepan Bandera started his ridiculous larp.

>>665724

this

>>665725

especially

>>665730

Western Ukrainians are just the trash Poland and Russia tossed there ages ago.

>>665794

Yeah in Czechoslovakia and Hungary too there was a lot of commies policies they didn't like. They got tanks battalions for it.

Hell did you think Russian peasants wanted collectivization and no churches prior to WWII?

They were openly massacred for it.

The catholic church in Poland was tolerated, because it was useful. Had it not you would have had a dozen soviet muslim division coming to say hi.

>>665217

MSM is already picking up the story.

>"Oy vey what if Russians or Chinese find the plane before we do???"

>>665500

Honestly the numbers people should be checking.

>>665555

The T50 has a worse safety record than even the F-35 and was cancelled due to actual issues with it bursting into flames. He has every right to be pissed off at it existing. I'm surprised you even say with a straight face that the T-50 is something good. The usual defense slavaboos like you have for that jet is that the F-35 somehow influenced it to be bad.

And you are going to have to provide some fucking sources for your retarded strawman argument you put forth. You don't fucking touch an air frame that suffered a fire or was subject to total immersion in salt water for parts because they are clearly compromised. You also act like your based Russia would NEVER EVER cook the books ether because they are just a solid bastion of righteousness that totally isn't run by former party members and their families.

Proper fucking record keeping IS NOT propaganda you inbred macho retard. If every single air frame that had a particularly rough crash landing was written off as a complete loss then NO ONE WOULD EVER KNOW WHAT SPARE PARTS THEY HAD. Every single plane in the boneyard stretching on for endless miles in the desert filled with good parts would all be tallied as a giant pile of scrap if you had your way because its apparently not sporting to list them in a way that you can differentiate from things that can be salvaged and worthless hunks of twisted metal. Have a fucking case in point as to why you keep records. Once upon a time a CIA nigger crash landed his A-12. The impact with the runway did enough damage to the front end of the aircraft that it was deemed compromised and written off. Later the Airforce wanted more SR-71s and they saw that there was the totally intact ass end, engines and all of an A-12 laying around so they built the front half of an SR-71 and mated it to the rear A-12 air frame for a fully functional jet. If you had it your way and listed every single damaged air frame as totally lost, a pile of scorched slag, no one who looked at the record book in the boneyard would notice that they had half of a VERY expensive to produce aircraft just sitting there, waiting to be used because it would be written as totally destroyed with no way of telling what condition it was even in. I can fucking guarantee that the Russians keep books on what will never fly again, but still has valuable parts stored inside of it because you would have to be dumber than them to idolize them to such a degree that you believe they make literally no mistakes and never have scrap planes to cannibalize because their pilots never make mistakes ether.

>>665833

That is a bit off stating the Su-57 has a worse record, given its 3-1 now, and if I recall that Su-57 was repaired and flies again where as with the F35 all three of them are trashed.

>>665833

>The T50 has a worse safety record than even the F-35 and was cancelled due to actual issues with it bursting into flames.

Does it have 4 airframes irreparably lost to malfunction?

>>665699

>Also one of the most influential groups within the party was https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natolin_faction and

Yes, just like USA's "anti-Semites in Democratic Party".

>>665832

japan already found it

>>665861

fork sharpener

>>665833

>The T50 has a worse safety record than even the F-35 and was cancelled due to actual issues with it bursting into flames.

>This is the burger mind on MSM.

Why in the name of fuck do you guys think the Su-57 program is cancelled.

The first prototype of F-35 flew in 2000… The First serial one the USAF got was in 2016.

The first Su-57 flew in 2010 (the first with definitive engines in December 2017… yeah), assuming the Russian AF get the first serial in 2019-2020 (which is what is planned) means they're exactly on schedule.

The time when prototype to serial lasted 6 months is long fucking gone.

In this day and age it takes at least a decade (often TWO) to go from prototyping phase to full production.

Russia isn't magically better at everything.

>>665861

engineering by contradiction

>>665931

>Russia isn't magically better at everything.

Compared to the absolute state of the US, it really is.

>>665975

Grasping on that here's my QTDDIOT from yesterday.

What UAV would be better for modern aerial ultra-high altitude reconnaissance? A subsonic flying wing that would be cheap, stealthy and with good loiter time (potentially supplemented by solar panels on its great wing area) or an expensive hypersonic sphenoid with a variable cycle engine for shoot and run?

>>665978

Depends what reconnaissance you want, strategic of tactical.

Today strategic is done by satellites, tactical is done by drone because they need to loiter and relay information over a fairly long period of time, but with the advent of big lasers it might not be so tomorrow so some kind of hypersonic vehicle might be necessary.

>>665983

>>665983

>but with the advent of big lasers it might not be so tomorrow so some kind of hypersonic vehicle might be necessary.

Since when can objects outrun light? Not being detected in the first place is probably the best defense against lazors.

>>665931

Retards believe the Su57 was cancelled because, there was a bullshit story in the Aus "press" that grossly misquoted a statement to make it seem the whole program was cancelled. I absolutely understand why the aussies are such virulent shit-posters; they have the least trustworthy corporate media in the whole anglosphere, an incredible (((accomplishment))).

>>665985

I'd imagine it's not so much about outrunning light but rather the ability to maintain the tracking.

>>665988

Wasn't also the story that pajeets cancelled their HAL FGFA because "mysteriously" pajeet-made T-50s did not work as intended to?

>>665985

A faster object means reducing the time available have to put enough energy on the target to do something, especially one shielded enough to survive being hypersonic in the first place.

>>665991

To be perfectly honest I don't believe lasers will ever be able to deliver a decent punch even in theory since I doubt delicate internal components for the beam formation will ever allow a destructive enough beam. When thinking of directed energy weapons I mostly imagine magnetically accelerated particles enabled by laser-formed trajectory vacuum and maybe laser assisted secondary acceleration.

>>665993

>When thinking of directed energy weapons I mostly imagine magnetically

Oh shit anon, I just got the best fucking idea

>build a big fucking magnet

>point it upwards

>enemy planes will be dragged down by magnetism and crash

>>665717

Poland used to be Catholic too back in the 16th century before it got divided by Prussia, Russia and Austria in the 1790's.

>>665833

>they built the front half of an SR-71 and mated it to the rear A-12 air frame for a fully functional jet.

And the result was a weird chimera patch job of a plane that was not aerodynamically stable and kept wobbling and yawing around in flight with desynced variable inlets and rudders, especially at high speeds. Didn't fly so good too long before being retired either, since it was never quite fit for the job due to unresolved issues.

>>666008

Very interesting. Sauce?

>>666010

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a19485/china-f-22-raptor-model/

https://archive.fo/rL38r

>>666006

Napalm fuel can't melt magnet steel

>>666012

http://archive.is/lnCgE

>page was archived 27 minutes ago

Good job, soldier.

>>665993

Really depends one what you want to do. Lasers have a few problems

1. Power generation (this is actually the most important one for most current purposes)

2. Cooling of the power generator as well as the lasing/focusing elements themselves.

3. The atmosphere is a fluid, and has layers of different density. So accurate targeting and diffraction of the beam can be a problem when dealing with very long distances (several dozen to hundreds of miles), as well as turbulence induced by the laser itself called scintillation.

4. "Bloom", when is when you put so much energy through the air, it turns into plasma and starts blocking energy from the beam rather than just misdirecting it.

5. The target produces it's own protective cloud when hit. The plasma produced by hypersonic vehicles probably adds even more difficulty to putting energy on target, you'll likely just dump a lot of energy into the sheath rather than the vehicle (if you do damage the vehicles protective tiles though, that can be nicely catastrophic).

2,3,4 and 5 are generally solved with using larger equipment, wider beam, and pulsing.

I would agree the idea of a laser ever producing an instant knockout of heavy equipment is definitely far fetched. In pretty much every case the need significant time on target. Single vehicle mounted/powered laser weapons are going to be underpowered to do much outside of their special use cases like drones, mortars and population control. The proposals I see for things like regular aircraft and ballistic missile defense, require an entire fucking support camp is basically set up, but that could be our retarded air defense

I'm not at all familiar with what could happen with particle beam type weapons. Don't the charged particle types have issues with basically being cancer rays for both the shooter and target?

It's probably in bejing, the DOD claims that their f35 data was hacked. Likely this aircraft is for deniability. Israel has sold American weapons technology to China many times in the past.

Perhaps this aircraft went to Israel because Israel sold one of their's to china.

The reason we won't export the f22 is most likely because israel would have let the Chinese rub their dicks over it, but nobody will say that because they're corupt.

>>666232

The US tends to have more downs that ups. Also, western doctrines are pretty fucked.

As for equipment, slav stuff is generally decently effective while being cheap to produce and field. Is there shitty hardware? Yes, but it doesn't cost ludicrous amounts of cash to replace unlike the US.

Outside of slav stuff, German and Swedish equipment is pretty top tier.

>>666249

>pic

This is an often forgotten point – US likes to arm-twist countries they sold their gear to, placing all sorts of retarded conditions and threatening them with withholding parts if they're bad goys. US threatened Iraq with this after some Abrams ended up being used by Iranian militias, so Iraq instead built a new tank fleet from T-90s and told uncle Sam to fuck himself.

>>666020

You're forgetting beam divergence, quantum mechanics prevents perfectly collimated beams from existing, even a tightly focused beam diverges by a very large amount at that distance. Something that's focused to a point at close range will diverge into a 2 meter diameter light patch at 100 km distance.

>>666020

Particle beams are readily stopped by thin air. I mean think about it, it's basically a shotgun that fires pellets 10 billion times smaller than birdshot.

>>666232

Imagine if niggers had an entire state all to themselves, and then decided that they've had enough of whiteys holding them down, and started going medieval on your ass? Also imagine they had 15 points higher IQ than your actual american niggers, and had access to the same equipment as your military, on account of being literally part of your own military. I fucking doubt you'd do any better.

>>666258

see:

>>665993

It was a legit theoretical concept back in the Strategic Defense Initiative, did not make that shit myself up.

>>666259

>I fucking doubt you'd do any better.

That's what Strelok is saying.

>>665993

>>666020

>>666259

>>666258

>>666256

Only germans (ans US of german descent) savant-retards think of using directed energy as a WEAPON. Everyone else want to use laser to fry or even more simple, blind, the sensors of equipment. Said sensors being particularly sensible.

This is perfectly doable with today technology (and is starting to hit the field, on both sides), directed energy pulse that would go through steel at a distance just isn't there yet and let alone the fact that it's extremely dubious such thing would actually provide a significant advantage over say a 20/25/30/35/40/57/76/100/120/130mm AA shell.

>>666311

Mean free travel distance in air is ~70 nanometers. When your particle hits any air molecule (within just 70 nanometers of travel on average) it scatters in random direction, possibly decays into random atomic matter depending on energies involved. That's why particle accelerators operate under hard vacuum. Put simply, it's virtually impossible for a particle beam weapon to work in an atmosphere.

>>666317

Fully agreed. Especially now that stealth technology is a forced meme and IR tracking is back on the menu. A small pulse laser would be ideal as an anti-sidewinder point defense.

>>666344

Again, see:

>>665993

You are supposed to first create a vacuum tube from "gun" to the target with a laser beam.

>>666367

>heating up gas turns it into vacuum

>>666370

It turns it into very thin air.

>>666384

Do you have any shit to back this whole laser vaccum stuff up? Common sense says the pressure of surrounding air would immediately fill any "gaps" the "thin air" would make

>>666385

>immediately

No such thing.

Laser travels with the speed of light, duh almost simultaneously heating up a tube of air along the distance from the particle weapon to the target. Even if it was a perfect void the air can relapse back in its place at most at the speed of sound of air which leaves enough time for particles with significant speed to go through.

The weakest point in the theory is that the most convenient and destructive particles would be positively charged atom nuclei, and since the "tube" would be neither hot gas or vacuum but ionized plasma that could counterweight the benefits of less atoms being in the way.

>>666395

If the air couldn't get back in fast enough, it also couldn't get out of the way of expanding gas fast enough. Which is to say, the heating is isochoric, and therefore the heated tube it acts as a sealed vessel where pressure momentarily increases to huge values, before it dissipates as a shockwave. Pretty fucking obviously it has the opposite effect of creating a medium that creates no resistance to moving particles. Additionally, if your lasers can produce enough energy to heat up thin air like this, you don't need an auxiliary beam weapon to do the damage - the laser itself is more than powerful enough.

>>666407

>If the air couldn't get back in fast enough, it also couldn't get out of the way of expanding gas fast enough

The relapse only depends on the mechanical properties of air, the expansion is a fast as the external forces it to be.

>Which is to say, the heating is isochoric, and therefore the heated tube it acts as a sealed vessel where pressure momentarily increases to huge values, before it dissipates as a shockwave.

You are probably right there.

>Additionally, if your lasers can produce enough energy to heat up thin air like this, you don't need an auxiliary beam weapon to do the damage

Actually the air heating up is one of the reasons are not very effective as weapons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directed-energy_weapon#Blooming

Rest In Peace, brave Nip pilot.

>>665498

An ASM attack (any type, Tomahawk, Harpoon, whatever) from DDGs would mission-kill a battleship, to say nothing of an attack by a Kirov. Obviously the main battery and machine spaces will remain unharmed. It wouldn't sink. But search/fire control radars - gone. Gun directors, AA defenses, helicopter/aircraft, radio equipment, liferafts and external equipment - also gone. And the BB would be set on fire no doubt, which could incapacitate it depending on how bad it gets. It wouldn't be able to do anything but shell land or repel ships coming within 10 miles.

A fuckhueg missile battleship would be dangerous provided it had the assets to see opposing ships and strike them from an unprecedented distance. But failing that, for example if it just had the same missile and detection systems as existing ships, it would be a slow target that couldn't dictate the terms of engagement. Which begs the question, why bother with the armor and main battery at all. Just make multiple unarmored tin cans with equal offensive capability and that will always be better.

>>665217

Have they found the jap pilot yet?

>>665257

kek

F

>>666238

Lockheed is required to hire Jews and give them clearances. Red China gets F-22 info before the USAF. However, they are too poor and stupid to use most of it. It wasn't enough that they had full access to all NASA rocket stuff from 1945-1990, it took US Govt to gift them the actual hardware to allow them to make their own rockets of type USA was making in 1960.

>>666461

protip:

Projectile speeds above the speed of sound for the material used render any material armour ineffective.

>>666451

Guess he's dead now… just another victim of the ocean…

>>665265

>100% chance of injury due to ejection

>35% chance of death if you are outside a certain weight range

Poor guy didn't even know what happened.

>>665309

Holy shit, that's a huge fuckup… and "manikin"? Is this the clown world everybody is talking about?

Did they design the ejection seat to be fatal on the purpose? They sound like they want to kill the pilots to cover the greedy secrets up.

>RIP Nip-bro, May you be remembered forever, amen.

>>674763

>Did they design the ejection seat to be fatal on the purpose?

No, they're just this incompetent.

>>669344

Please give me an autistic explanation on how this works

>>665217

Well if it is lost it didn't crashed.

Checkmate haters.

>>674766

Υπαραπλουστευμένα: η ταχύτητα του ήχου είναι το ανώτατο σημείο δομικής αντοχής ενώς υλικού χωρίς να υποστεί παραμόρφωση. Ακόμα και το παραμικρό μόριο να προσκούσει σε αυτό με σχετική ταχύτητα μεγαλύτερη από αυτήν του ήχου στο εν λόγω υλικό τότε το τμήμα που προσκρούεται συμπεριφέρεται σαν ρευστό και υπόκειται σε ανάλογη της δύναμης της σύγκρουσης τοπική παραμόρφωση.

Sorry for greek: having a hard time to translate it with proper (middle-school level) technical terms.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a27396483/air-force-navy-next-generation-fighter/

Navy don't want it no more

>>674920

>The U.S. Navy’s next fighter will be designed exclusively for naval service and without cooperation that will result in variants for other services.

>The Navy does not plan on using the fighter to penetrate enemy airspace.

>The Navy, plans to use standoff missiles for deep penetration missions.

Ouch.

So basically the position of the USN is that stealth doesn't work and going anywhere near air-defense is fucking suicide when you can use missiles to do the same shit…

Oh welp…

>>674901

>Parallel: the sound velocity is the highest point of structural strength of material without distortion. Even the smallest molecule reaches it at a relative velocity greater than that of the sound in that material, then the impacted portion behaves like a fluid and is subjected to localized deformation proportional to the force of the collision.

So the speed of sound turns materials into liquids? Is this true of all materials? This makes a certain amount of sense, as the speed of sound is greatly increased in liquids/solids vs air. So for a solid to get pushed to the speed of sound, internally, it would essentially liquify itself.

Neat.

>>674926

Velocity kills armor no matter how its looked at.

>>674920

>The unnamed fighter, tentatively named F/A-XX, will replace the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet

While I am very grateful that they are going to make an air frame for their own needs, they aren't getting rid of the F-35C. Unless Top gun 2 manages to do it like how the first movie allowed them to doge the F-111B

>>674926

>>674901

I'll give it a try:

Oversimplifying: the speed of sound indicates the threshold of structural integrity of a material before it undergoes deformation . Even if the smallest molecule collides with it at relative speed higher than the speed of sound of said material then the area that is hit behaves as a fluid and is subjected to deformation proportional to the force of the (fully inelastic) localized collision.

>>665451

>Isn't Lwow alone worth more than the extra coast?

If you consider principles higher than any other costs, yes

Now it's a run-down shithole

>>675729

>Now it's a run-down shithole

well yeah because Hohols live there.

>>675729

Don't worry Pole, after the globohomo world order is over, we will put an end to this abomination of Kiev.

>>675796

Thank you Magyar friend.

>>675832

Anytime, Brolack.

>>682330

I like your retarded optimism and belief that the government isn't infinitely corrupt and inept.

>>682330

>black projects

Yeah, the needed something to cover for all that ATF backroom cartel/gang business.

>>682330

The black projects budgets are the black numbers in the bank accounts of lockheeb.

>>682330

There is no such thing as black budgets anymore. DARPA post it's latest artist renders of it's designs on twitter when they're fresh of the board.

B-21 aren't a black budget, X-51/Falcon aren't a black budget, SR-72 aren't a black budget, X-49 aren't a black budget, UCAV and UAV projects are a dime a dozen…

Unless they're working on teleportation, that's USAF line up for their new recon, bomber, drones, medium helicopter and tactical missiles/ strategic warhead.

So what's your logic here, they use the F-35 budget to hide the F-35 replacement? Or to replace the V-22?

That are both brand new and barely deployed?

>>665995

Blood is slightly magnetic so all you would do is kill any animal that flies over the magnet and end up with a field of corpses. When you're at the point where you can pull planes down from several thousand feet, I'm not sure whether it would be possible to stand near the magnet itself.

>>682492

>I'm not sure whether it would be possible to stand near the magnet itself.

Absolutely not.

When you get in Tesla double digits you're already making your body very unhappy, not so much the iron in the blood but by disrupting your body natural electrical signals especially in your brain.

The highest they tested on human is a 8 tesla, while most people don't notice change and don't get symptomatic, past that the distortion in the monitoring equipment is such it makes it way too unsafe to try.

On animals they did tests much higher (enough to make them levitate… because yeah), while they seem fine during the exposure, they all died pretty quick of various conditions (nervous system fried, blood clots, etc…).

To yank an airplane out of the sky chances are you kill whoever is in it before it hits the ground (and everyone within range).

>>682343

Well for one thing we still have zero info on the stealth blackhawk that was in the Binladen raid. That's reason enough to assume there are still projects we don't have the faintest clue on.

>>682599

>>682599

>Bin Laden raid

>real

>>682610

Are there even pics of the dead bin laden?

>>682684

Oops, none. :^)

Dropped in da ozean lmao

Those pristine footages of humiliated Saddam and Gaddafi? Pure spontanous xd

>>682692

And what part of the X-37 is a black budget???

It's a NASA project FFS!

A black budget is when the military overbill Congress and use the funds for something else (which is all kind of illegal, but the military stamps top secret on everything so no judge can get to it before everyone responsible is long dead).

The "blackbirds" are the most famous ones (and were technically CIA, the USAF just happened to lend them, fields, pilots and crews, to keep Congress in the dark as much as possible and hide personnel spending), so were the "117" and maybe the first B-2?

In recent years you have the "ghosthawks" which is actually a long tradition of custom modified helicopters for spec ops back to the Vietnam era, the custom AC-130 (which isn't black anymore and is also a long tradition), the blackstar/aurora (quasi-space mach 3 recon drone) and maybe a "commando transport plane" for insertion of small airborne HALO team. But none of those are a big project akin to the blackbirds that would necessitate to siphon funds in the trillions, the blackstar would be the priciest, if they make a lot of them (but there is no reason to make more than there was SR-71s), but it still would only be a billion a year (which is peanuts for the US military, they can skim that every Friday from anywhere if they want).

Of course it's not 100% impossible they're making submersible aircraft carriers but it's extremely dubious the money isn't going anywhere else than on Lockheed execs Belize bank accounts.

>>682684

We killed him then tossed him in the ocean. You don't even need to investigate or double-check, strelok. We already did that for you :^)

Investigating bin Laden's death is like investigating THE SHOAH, and you wouldn't want to be an anti-semite, would you?

The lesson is don't buy the shitty planes with the fatal side effects.

>>682703

>submersible aircraft carriers

Impossible to conceal unless they stick to testing them in regions with little to no cargo ship presence and glow in the dark lighthouses.

>>682964

unless of course the planes are starting from underwater.

>>682973

at this point its more likely it would be

>american warship rams sumbersible aircraft

>>683033

"American airship rams Kremlin on a flight from Texas to Illinois. Captain L'tifa Merzedes: 'that fuckin cracker was comin right at me, he's a rayciss, I tells ya'"

>>665498

Even if it worked against standard anti-ship missiles, it would cost far more to build a super battleship than it would to build bigger missiles.

>>665699

Based Falange

>>682699

I have been telling people this for years. There's not a shred of evidence, not to mention it would have been illegal to shoot him rather than cuffing him and trying him in a kangaroo court.

But they claim that Muslim tradition was followed and now his body is gone.

>>683063

>all wuz kangz

>not a single had a domain with serfs to rule over.

>>683646

In neo-Egyptian hoods Kangs and serfs are one and the same, it's the most progressive form of goberment imaginable.

>>665276

It wasn't the war you retard, it was the relaxation of (((Roosevelt's))) commie faggotry after the war along with being the only developed country with intact infrastructure.

>>683670

>implying the war wasn't about mutts thinking they could destroy the world and get away with it

Now go back to breeding with niggers at gunpoint in your intact infanstructure.

>>683692

ok communist

>>683699

It's a well known fact that all Europeans are communist and gay.

>>683867

But what about the recently discovered Everglades swamp gorilla?

>>683889

Florida has a very bad infestation of Yankees, especially in the southern parts. They should not under any circumstances be treated as representative of actual Americans, as there's some debate over whether they're even human in the first place.

>>684211

Are you talking about lend-lease? Roosevelt was a Yankee, so it's no surprise that crippled bastard was a communist.