d92fc1 No.663701
>How the gun industry is putting public safety at risk by manufacturing extremely
lethal firearms designed to skirt the federal laws established to keep us safe.
>DAVID CHIPMAN Senior Policy Advisor at Giffords, former ATF Special Agent
LINDSAY NICHOLS Federal Policy Director at Giffords Law Center
As can be expected, the bumpstock ban has emboldened the Left to new heights, now Giffords (sounds like a fucking department store) is targeting binary triggers, trigger cranks, "high capacity shotguns", AK and AR pistols, pistol braces, blade braces, .50BMG ammo and rifles, muzzleloaders, and "specialty ammunition: tracers and incendiary rounds". This being one of the many, many hilariously bullshit pieces of propaganda in this fire;
>Armor-piercing ammunition, rounds composed of heavy metals that can defeat heavy military equipment such as tanks, has been regulated by ATF since 1986, if it can be fired from a handgun.
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1659c8 No.663706
>muzzleloaders
Fuck you Gilford
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a249e2 No.663739
>Cue the .50 caliber muzzleloader, which delivers a particularly lethal .50 caliber round.
SilencerCo comes out with an integrally suppressed muzzle loader and these retards think all muzzleloaders need regulated because of it.
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7de138 No.663743
>Cue the .50 caliber muzzleloader, which delivers a particularly lethal .50 caliber round.
<We don't want to ban guns
Taking that talking point as a position when your group begins pushing for even regulating muzzleloaders of all things is at this point a fucking joke that has no punchline or end
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1d999b No.663766
>high capacity shotguns
I will never understand this particular fear. I can understand why some people are afraid of full auto, and I understand why some people are afraid of extremely large calibers. I do not share those fears, but I can understand why they are afraid.
I do not understand why anyone would be afraid of a larger magazine. All it does is take away a two second reload. If there is nobody to return fire in those two seconds, then what's the point?
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3f1e0a No.663839
>>663701
>The founding fathers didn't know about machine guns
<tries to ban muzzle loaders
I guess the founding fathers didn't know about the weapons they were shooting at the Brits either.
>>663766
The people trying to ban guns don't know guns. They think everyone takes five minutes to reload like them with their soy-filled spaghetti-arms.
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e36fdf No.663846
>>663701
>rounds composed of heavy metals that can defeat heavy military equipment such as tanks
Who's making the 20 mm, depleted uranium, hypervelocity, AT conversion and ammo for the AR-15 then? What kind of satanic space magic did they have to pour into the recoil compensation? Why haven't we had a thread about the changes that will inevitably happen to modern warfare when every infantryman is carrying between 90 and 120 AT rounds :^)
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a5e3c1 No.663853
>>663846
>changes that will inevitably happen to modern warfare when every infantryman is carrying between 90 and 120 AT rounds
Mechfags will finally crawl out of their caves and proclaim that the days of power armored magical girls has arrived
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e36fdf No.663862
>>663853
If this ultra-raifu can pierce the armour on an MBT (they don't specify a 'mm's RHA' value so I'm going to assume that my new favourite gun ever can put a clear hole through a Challenger 2 front to back) then unless these magical girls can put up a pretty impressive force-field they're just as fucked as the tanks are.
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fbb59a No.664044
>>663701
It's time to dispel a falsehood that many of us believe. The lie that leftist politicians don't know anything about guns. They often come off as clowns that know absolutely nothing about firearms. They say some off the wall ridiculous things and seem to display levels of ignorance that don't seem possible. Even if this were true, they have access to think tanks, government agencies, speech writers, fact checkers, interns and other sources that can allow them to speak intelligently about firearms. A leftist that has never even touched a gun can in fact come off as more knowledgeable than an anon that has owned and fired many guns as well as many gun enthusiasts. But they don't. Why is that, do you think?
They know exactly what they are doing. They are manipulating the language in order to confuse the masses. They are using ethos and pathos to manipulate the uneducated and the emotional. Emotional appeals work better to persuade the majority than do logic or fact based information. Our rebuttals to their attacks on liberty are often based on technical facts (No such thing as fully-semiautomatic, that's not an "assault rifle" etc.) have little appeal to the majority who simply do not care about such factoids. Our emotional appeals to self defense and liberty, likewise, involve the prospect of violence and are thus more frightening to the more emotional and low IQ population. "Make violence go away" is much more appealing than the truth (Violence is eternal, natural and unavoidable on a long enough timeline). They aren't speaking to us. They are speaking against us as they stand safely behind armies of jackbooted mercenaries. At our expense. Our techniques for arguing against them are woefully inadequate. I do not have an answer to this problem, but it may come to me. I'll let you know.
TL:DR-The politicians aren't as ignorant as they pretend to be about firearms.
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19b3fc No.664057
>>664044
>The politicians aren't as ignorant as they pretend to be about firearms.
No shit dude, but somebody had to say it so that some people here finally get it how useless it is trying to prove the politician wrong so that the politican may change his mind, you have to win the heart of the person who may stumble upon your discussion with some braindead idiot who just repeats the things the politican told him.
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533d3a No.664070
>>663701
>skirt the federal laws established to keep us safe.
Meanwhile federal laws are importing millions of cartel members who use military tactics, arms, and defensive technologies.
Many of their victims have been brutalized beyond recognition.
All of their victims suffered while law enforcement was absent.
Different federal laws are importing millions of Arab rape machines who resort to mob tactics to subdue victims.
Like cartel victims, many have been brutalized beyond recognition.
All of their victims suffered while law enforcement was absent.
In many cases, law enforcement failed to pursue these rape mobs because of departmental non-enforcement policies.
And yet another set of federal laws allows regions like Chiraq, ATL, or Compton to be overrun with violent African American criminals.
Had any victim of violent crime been heavily armed they would still be with use today.
ALL BRANCHES OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND ALL MUNICIPALITIES ARE GUILTY OF FIRST DEGREE MURDER
The government imposing itself over the American Nation is committing a silent genocide of the American Nation.
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e36fdf No.664088
>>664070
>ALL BRANCHES OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND ALL MUNICIPALITIES ARE GUILTY OF FIRST DEGREE MURDER
Not lawyer, but wouldn't that be 'accessory to murder' rather than murder?
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be4a39 No.664143
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ca7276 No.664236
>>664088
>knowingly hire, then drive a hitman to murder
>watch as he kills your targets
>take pictures, and take part in the action by breaking your target's legs and arms before the hitman kills them
>gloat about killing your targets on national television
>not first degree
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6bbf74 No.664332
>>664044
Please do post it if it comes to you. I am just as stymied for an effective means of arguing against it as you.
How do we combat this sort of strategy?
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d92fc1 No.664374
>>664332
I don't even think we can fight against this effectively, as the Left's strategy utilizes the fear and ignorance of individuals…fear and ignorance embedded and cultivated by the Left. Sure, we can individually plant seeds of dissent by taking fence-sitters and softcore Lefties to the range, teach them, and educate them, but this is a war of time and as we make strides in educating those around us, the Left is indoctrinating hundreds of thousands of low information types on the daily to fill their ranks and brain-washing them with the false ideals of identity politics and social justice.
Our best course of action is to work as diligently as we can in staving off any further Leftist victories, rolling back what we can (incidents like the Cali mag ban ruling), and prepare for the eventual collapse of society as caused by Leftist ideological crippling.
We're in throes of a cold war, not much different from the one we fought 40 years ago, but this one is on home soil and will eventually result in some sort of action, be it collapse or otherwise.
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574f2e No.664376
This left or right shit is wrong, it's the government that wants you disarmed. All of the government. Any one saying right or left is a damn retard.
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8ab78d No.664382
>>664376
There's a non-negligible fraction of posters here that is well aware of that fact, but doesn't care because they're fine with the idea of being disarmed by a "benevolent" right-wing government.
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356941 No.664383
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356941 No.664384
When was the last time a felon used a muzzleloader to rob/kill someone?
How about a felon using one in self defense?
Polite sage for double post.
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8ab78d No.664385
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3f38cb No.664390
>>664384
I've seen at least one cap and ball revolver in a group of guns taken from criminals (I think it was in Chicago or New York). No idea on the other.
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36db70 No.667247
>>664044
>I do not have the answer to this problem
I do. It's violence.
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3f1e0a No.667249
>>664390
Doesn't mean that it was actually used though. One of them may just have been a BP enthusiast, outside of his criminal activities.
I doubt even a nigger gangbanger would be retarded enough to bring a muzzleloader to a driveby, though one guy did shoot his wife with one in 2010
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0426ac No.667253
>>664044
>I do not have an answer to this problem
>American flag
>had all the tools to solve the problem, they keep getting limited
<sorry I'm too fat and stupid to figure out the puzzle.
here's a hint
>The second ammendment was not meant for youtube videos of ISIS-style melon executions.
That's the end of my hint, you'll have to figure out the rest of the riddle yourself.
>>664088
In Poland we have three categories of guilt for a crime, perpetratory (you carried out the crime), directing (you were a mastermind behind something like kidnapping or robbery), Forcing (where you leverage something against the actual perpetrator to make him do it).
The fed is the 2nd category as the actual perpetrators are acting of their will to carry out their orders.
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d92fc1 No.667273
>>664376
Government wants a populace disarmed when those in government look to consolidate power for themselves. There is a Left/Right paradigm and both want disarmament because each is after it's own version of control, these people don't prescribe to those political ideals because of core ideology, but because they see it as the fastest way for self-enrichment and attainment of power, one is simply Corpocracy and the other Communism.
The issue at hand, is the morons who place faith in the GOP/Right Wing do so out of ignorance and complacency, allowing the theft of birthright because they're too stupid and caught up in bread and circuses to care. Those morons that place their faith in the DNC/Left Wing are ideological, they're collectivists that think state rule is the only path and all resistance to that ideology should be destroyed.
The rest of us are caught in the middle between the drooling morons watching Fox News shaking their heads in agreement and the Che loving pinkos that want you to be forced to be a sex slave to bag wearing obese tranny landwhales. So either it be some consumerist battery living in squalor who's sole existence is powering the machine or you end up as a lobotomized poz-cum drip pan.
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d92fc1 No.667274
>>664390
>>667249
>>664384
Come on, they're no BP enthusiast. You know it was snatched during a robbery of some guys firearms collection, they probably thought it was like any other revolver, not realizing it was BP.
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3f38cb No.667300
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896397 No.675103
>>663701
so total ban without saying "total ban".
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656f1a No.675109
>>663862
tell me about this lovely maiden
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656f1a No.675111
>>663766
>I do not understand why anyone would be afraid of a larger magazine. All it does is take away a two second reload. If there is nobody to return fire in those two seconds, then what's the point?
burgerland is full of niggers, spics, and nigger/spic hybrids. they assume all americans are drooling retards, so any piece of gear that helps some dumb motherfucker stack bodies is a fear for them, because they are evil pieces of shit that know they deserve to be greased wholesale, their children included.
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a8f26f No.675148
>>664070
Police has no obligation to protect citizens.
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029e03 No.675217
>>664070
You might find this funny but the blacks have been driven out of Compton by the spics or so I've been told.
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03a39a No.678720
what the fuck?
ignore the color inversion
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e86ae9 No.678725
>>678720
>ignore the color inversion
SCARY COLOUR INVERSION!
But did you seriously expect antifunners to make any kind of sense or have even a vague connection to reality at this point? Who published those pics?
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17dddd No.678726
>>678720
>rifle is anything you fire from the shoulder
Why is BATFE so retarded?
What if someone made persiscope-like optics for guns meant to be hip-fired?
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144c86 No.678743
>>678726
>Periscopes
Why not a camera and an eyepiece?
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17dddd No.678746
>>678743
No reason other than autism
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c986b9 No.678754
I think there's a few reasons for banning of muzzleloaders:
They're not considered firearms by most, and therefore criminals do in fact use BP guns for killing so it backs their claims of gun violence statistics. By banning muzzleloaders, it makes it easier to in return ban anything blackpowder, by doing a "we just didn't know what we were mad about" one off/next phase. "We already banned muzzleloaders, so why would you need black powder unless you were buying it for an illegal gun?" From there, they put out legislation that forces anyone buying ammo to sign for it and document it. Anyone buying excessive ammo gets put on a list. Excessive will start out "reasonable", then immediately encompasse anyone buying more than 100 rounds a month, despite the fact that any mass shooter never used for than a couple hundred. These all lead to the grand finale of banning reloading entirely. Any equipment for reloading, whether it be presses, dies, molds, powders, brass, etc will all be banned since they undermine the point of monitoring ammo sales.
Sure, quite a few gun toters have the means to make their own ammo, but not many possess the skills to make their own powder. They won't have to worry about any real resistance from farmer joe when they come to take away his guns at that point. Anyone who's purchased large quantities of ammo/high lethality ammo, gets first priority/drone'd, and any resistance will be telivised, showing how violent gun owners are, and how dangerous guns are.
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154e2a No.678755
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356891 No.678793
>>664382
Not enough people know Venezuela made the same agreement. "we can trust our government" they said. "you can have the guns, we trust you."
This isn't even "trust but get it in writing" this is "trust but get it in blood, and keep it in steel"
It's completely appropriate that everyone hold the government in a state of mistrust. Venezuela is what happens when you forget that.
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433787 No.678794
>>664382
A "right wing" government that disarms its own people is not right wing by definition.
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e79a4e No.678796
>>663766
They want everything, and will take any opportunity to incrementally ratchet away our rights. There is no logic or reason, just whatever they can stir up emotion about.
>nobody needs a "high power" round, ban rifles
>pistols are too easy to conceal, ban handguns>>663766
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cc1ee7 No.679140
>>664236
When did this happen? Can you post sauce please?
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8e5c7e No.679142
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a45cdc No.679144
What's the point anymore?
The kikes already won.
Everything is hopelessly fucked.
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7256af No.679162
>>679142
>>679142
Thanks for saving my lil nugget from the powertripping turkroach.
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340afe No.679169
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