recommend me a nice older-style rifle

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recommend me a nice older-style rifle Strelok 02/24/19 (Sun) 10:24:26 3ce8ea No.651155

so i bought an ar-15 about a month ago. it was the first rifle that i've bought, and i've found it to be a huge pain in the ass to shoot. it's not a reputable brand, but that wasn't the issue, it's just the ergonomics. i thought it was a shit gun until i asked a guy at the range, who has experience with ARs, to shoot a few rounds through it, and he was getting decent placement. he gave me some tips, and i did improve a little, but it just feels so unintuitive, and don't want a gun that i have to train a bunch with just to shoot well. the target was only at 25 yards with a 9X scope and my groups were 5". the guy was getting much tighter placement which means it isn't the gun, it's me.

i'm not sure if it's because they're more intuitive and less finnicky, or because i'm used to them and have experience already, but i think i'd like to stick with older style rifles that actually have a rifle grip and decent length. i grew up shooting WWII bolt actions so those are the ergonomics i'm used to. i never had a problem shooting them accurately with open sights even as a kid. i would find a surplus rifle, but that would be hard given where i live and i'd rather shoot something with a more common cartridge so i can just buy ammo at the store and not have to spend hundreds of dollars ordering shit in bulk online (i live in burgerland if that's relevant). also i live in a really small city with limited options for used stuff (all are pawn shops, so that's a gamble), so the biggest and probably most reliable range of options will be buying something new. i think i could maybe get $200 from this AR when i sell it, so i guess my budget is $500 although i'd prefer to shoot for $400. i already own a decent scope and rings, so that doesn't need to be factored in, but i don't have a problem using open sights if it doesn't have mounts.

so, if you had to choose a new rifle in that price range, what would you choose? action type doesn't matter, i don't care if it's bolt action, semi auto, or even lever action, it's entirely about ergonomics. sorry if i sound like a fuckin idiot by the way, but i kind of am one. i'm not obsessed with guns and i don't care to try being an expert, i just like to go out shooting sometimes

Strelok 02/24/19 (Sun) 10:27:29 797b9d No.651157

use the QTDDTOT

Strelok 02/24/19 (Sun) 10:29:39 3ce8ea No.651159

>>651155

thanks. sorry for shitting up the board.

Strelok 02/24/19 (Sun) 15:24:41 c3475b No.651197

>>651159

>I don't want to train

Nigger, guns aren't magic. Shut the fuck up and practice until you don't suck. Turn 18 while you're at it.

Strelok 02/24/19 (Sun) 20:18:08 4453e9 No.651257

>>651155

You're really stupid op. I like old surplus rifles, but I have to admit that modern fire arms handle much better. If you find holding an ar15 uncomfortable and hard to use then you're pretty helpless. Since you don't want to train, and you want something of an older style get a 12 gauge. Get a semi automatic one, so it has a bit less recoil. You already are part of the best rifle platform, so you might as well get a shotgun for your next firearm. Stotguns don't have spread like the do in movies, but you could get a choke that opens up the cone a bit more, and that would be the easiest gun for self defense you could get.

Strelok 02/24/19 (Sun) 21:45:56 31f296 No.651279

>>651155

>and don't want a gun that i have to train a bunch with just to shoot well

>and don't want a pen that i have to train a bunch with just to draw well

>and don't want a car that I have to train a bunch with just to drive well

>and don't want a body that I have to train a bunch with just to look well

>and don't want a hammer that I have to train a bunch with just to hammer well

>i'm not obsessed with guns and i don't care to try being an expert

<yet I want to shoot like one.

>i'm not obsessed with art and i don't care to try being an artist

<yet I want to draw like one.

>i'm not obsessed with cars and i don't care to try being a driver

<yet I want to drive like one.

What the fuck is wrong with you. Put in some fucking effort.

>sorry if i sound like a fuckin idiot by the way, but i kind of am one.

Stupidity is excusable. Laziness isn't. Get off your ass.

But what do I expect? You were too lazy to capitalise the first letter of your sentences.

Strelok 02/25/19 (Mon) 01:23:59 e260a4 No.651345

>>651279

This.

Kraut/Prussian effectiveness in military and engineering is due to their autistic obsession with being unimpeachable experts in their fields of work and study. If you want to get stomped and have your shit pushed in like a nigger, then do nigger things, otherwise get gud faggot.

Strelok 02/25/19 (Mon) 23:24:28 e7e083 No.651498

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Sounds like you need a flightlite scr lower. They're about 600$, which is pretty fucking pricy for a lower, but it is a unique product. nobody else makes anything like it.

Strelok 02/25/19 (Mon) 23:35:36 98ef30 No.651501

An AR is literally the most intuitive and easy to use rifle in existence. If dumb kids straight out of high-school can be trained to use them so can you. And it's not a lot of training either, just handle the gun at home, find the best way to hold it, learn the basics of marksmanship (imo trigger control is everything) and you'll love the rifle in no time.

Don't give up so quickly, this isn't rocket surgery.

Strelok 02/25/19 (Mon) 23:50:13 df58e7 No.651504

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>people still bumping the retard thread

Even though OP is a limp wristed fag who couldn't hit the broad side of a barn shooting from the inside, he at least he had the decency to take it to the qtddtot.

Strelok 02/26/19 (Tue) 02:02:14 583c4b No.651530

>>651498

should make them with walnut furniture.

Strelok 02/26/19 (Tue) 03:12:13 82c481 No.651546

>>651279

/thread, fuck you OP.

Strelok 02/26/19 (Tue) 04:00:10 1462c2 No.651558

Some sort of Mauser, it’s the most widely used bolt action for 120 years for a reason. Now shoo, shoo.

>>651279

Thus spoke 31f296

Strelok 02/26/19 (Tue) 11:32:31 723aa0 No.651685

>I want an older-style rifle

Buy a kar98k and practice long range.

It's a masterpiece of a gun and it's worth every cent.

Strelok 02/26/19 (Tue) 13:50:09 fa6da7 No.651737

>>651685

>Kar98

Can you even get that nowadays? I searched for it everywhere but I can't find it…

Strelok 02/26/19 (Tue) 13:56:34 31f296 No.651744

>>651737

Try egun.de

They still have loads of Mausers there. Depending on what you want they got sporterized guns for 600€, originals for 1500€ and any accessories and parts you might want. I am not sure if they deliver to Hungary, but who cares, just Schengen my shit up famalam.

Sage because this thread is still shit.

Strelok 02/26/19 (Tue) 20:26:43 719621 No.651816

>>651744

>originals for 1500€ (2248 CAD)

How the fuck? I got my K98K for 700$ which was 100$ over priced, it’s not matching but even thouse are only like 1000-1500$. I even got an original bayonet for just 200$. Shouldn’t there be hundreds of thousands of K98s in Germany? Why do they cost so much?

Strelok 02/27/19 (Wed) 01:26:46 fd97bb No.651875

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>>651155