a12edf No.649127[Last 50 Posts]
It's been a while since we had one, what would be the ideal build for a utilitarian vehicle preferably easily capable of recon and stealth for the civilian market.
>lightweight
>small
>can go from 0-100km decently quick
>manual
>AWD
>off-road
>can haul a decent load
>diesel
>easy to maintain and repair
>at least 10 or 11 kilometers per liter
>robust
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52eb02 No.649130
Just to beat Hungarianon to the punch: hub mounted electric motors powered by a bank of diesel free piston linear generators.
Direct drive means there's no drivetrain to damage going offroad, and having a plurality of motors and generators means there's no single point of failure.
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fb3ce7 No.649286
>>649130
Nice, but you forgot these:
>amphibious capability
You can use the electricity to power a propeller or water jet, and you if want to go off-road that much then you really shouldn't be a bridgecuck.
>tube body
Not only it's stronger, but you can put whatever body you want on it. So your amphibious diesel-electric vehicle would look like an old pickup at a glance.
>>649150
I'd rather not comment on that, but it remindes me of two things:
>wood gas
Might as well throw a wood gas generator into that car. In theory the free-piston engines should be capable of dealing with any burnable liquid and gas due to the variable combustion ration. It should be a back up only though.
>fuel cells and thermoelectric materials
Diesel fuel cells are already a thing, they are just expensive and rare. And I've heard of fuel cells that run on diesel, petrol and natural gas. They are smaller and they don't need moving parts (other than a pump system), therefore they should be even more capable than free-piston engines. One of their problems is that they generate quite a lot of heat, but that's why you should have a cooling system with thermoelectric materials. The main problem here if that something goes wrong you won't be able to deal with it in a small shop.
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7cf5cc No.649293
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c8ff34 No.649305
>>649150
"Water fuel" is gimmicky Y2K lingo thats meant to get investors to cough up cash, like "solar roadways".
The only way water makes sense as fuel is if you split it apart to make oxygen and hydrogen, store a tank of hydrogen, and just inject that into the pistons. We already have gas injectors for methane, they just need to be built to higher tolerances since hydrogen molecules are smaller and tend to escape seals. Same internal combustion idea, smoother pressure curve than even high octane, only downside is the price to produce hydrogen vs the price to dig up oil (which has a thousand other uses besides fuel).
A popular way marketing can twist "water" into being fuel is if the water is being used to dilute metal hydrides, which is a way to bond hydrogen and make it easier to store.
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a36d2f No.649332
I'm a fan of small light 4x4's like the Suzuki Jimny. Low ground pressure is the name of the game for offroad capability.
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c90f29 No.649340
>>649286
>amphibious
>tubes
While I agree with both points, how do you plan to reconcile "tube frame" with "this bitch needs to displace water and remain buoyant"? If you weld up a contiguous steel skin/hull/skidtray that encapsulates the vehicle below the waterline (excepting the wheels, prop, rudder, et al), doesn't that defeat the purpose of the tube frame? The only other option is bolt on a bunch of pontoons, the combined displacement of which exceeds the weight of the vehicle, and then just let the inside get wet.
Also, this whole conversation is based on the assumption that you're building a vehicle bespoke for the purpose. What's really going to happen is:
>grab whatever beater you can find that runs and won't get stuck in the mud
>strip out absolutely everything that isn't essential to making the vehicle move
>armor as much as you can without losing performance the most critical points of the drive train and fighting compartment
>shit, we mad max now
But it's fun to talk about these things.
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fb3ce7 No.649346
>>649340
>If you weld up a contiguous steel skin/hull/skidtray that encapsulates the vehicle below the waterline (excepting the wheels, prop, rudder, et al), doesn't that defeat the purpose of the tube frame?
The tube frame is basically a built-in roll cage, so welding a "skid" to its bottom shouldn't be a problem. Imagine the Schwimmwagen with a roll frame that's shaped so that you can hang a body from it.
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0d9913 No.650142
>>649127
Like where exactly? toyota landcruisers stick out like a sore thumb outside the shitskin 3rd world
>>649150
nigger, there are cars that run on compressed air
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ff4114 No.650154
>>649127
Fatbikes are gay and slow get a road bike from around 1975-1990 or a good mountain bike, avoid dual suspension models as they are heavy and specifically designed for downhill sport.
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b628a6 No.650834
>>649127
Bicycle for any distances <5km unless there's a need to haul big things.
Where are the bicycle corps?
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a75ca4 No.650860
>>649418
>when isis were driving those Toyota Tacoma’s
Pretty sure they usually drive Hilux's
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c09a6e No.650885
>>649127
Kawasaki m1030M1
>Kawasaki KLR 650 frame with some modifications
>Diesel
but why on a motorcycle? I assume the only reason the military uses MOGAS and diesel with these things is the pure logistical convenience.
>4.2 Gallon tank with about a 400mile range
Plus you can just fab new tanks pretty easily with pretty much any kind of material you want. Drop the 4.2gal tank for a smaller lighter 2.5gal tank and strap on quick release fuel bladders in case you need to drop them for extra maneuverability and speed
>30ish horse in a 350lb (160kg) frame
Personally I'd want some more ponys down there but you are still looking at 60-80mph top speed fully loaded
>If one breaks down you can just jump on the back of one your squadmates
The only downside but also an upside is that they are entirely limited to rider skill. They can go pretty much anywhere their rider can. Sure you are a little limited space wise but it's not much a of a problem for recon.
>>649130
Never heard of free piston generators before this but they seem like kind of a noisy meme from what I've seen so far. What's the big deal with them? What's the point of having a tradition cylinder driven engine if you are just moving the pistons with exhaust gases from a turbine?
>>650142
Every car technically runs by compressing and burning air with the help of fuel
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21c60f No.650887
>>650885
> What's the point of having a tradition cylinder driven engine if you are just moving the pistons with exhaust gases from a turbine?
Does not compute. What the hell is this turbine that you are speaking about?
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3d7729 No.650949
>>650885
>What's the big deal with them?
You know those shake-to-charge flashlights? The ones with a magnet in a tube that passes through a wire coil?
Imagine that, except you make the magnet into a double-ended piston, and you put an ICE combustion chamber at each end of the tube.
The advantages are it's compact, it has a minimum number of moving parts (as few as one with two-stroke scouring "valveless" designs, and the free floating piston means the compression ratio is variable, so it's comparatively easy to make it run off of any burnable liquid or gaseous fuel.
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d5ed82 No.650999
I'm-Just-Your-Friendly-Neighbor mode:
Toyota Prius
+ rear seat delete for equipment storage
+ 2 bikes on a roof rack
2019 model is available as AWD
50+ mpg easily in town (21 km/liter; 4.7 liters/100km)
silent at very low speeds, very quiet until highway speeds
It's honestly the perfect 2-person urban patrol vehicle.
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c8ff34 No.651007
>>649418
John McCan't, god curse his corrupt soul to hell, sold them those trucks which were donated by car dealerships as "trade ins" under the trade-in stimulus plan in '08/'09.
One random plumber traded in his vehicle and started getting hate mail when his car, with the plumbing logo and phone number still on, showed up in ISIS training videos.
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45550b No.651009
>>651007
Mark-1 Plumbing
Good ol' Cancer Brain McCain
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c8ff34 No.651016
>>649340
Its very easy to improve a vehicles fording ability, as long as it has a decent engine and is 4WD.
Basically just extend the exhaust to the top of the roof, this will prevent the exhaust from being flooded. Plug the grille at the front of the car and install a tarp into the engine compartment with some caulking so water can't come in. Run another vent to the roof so the inlet has some oxygen for the reaction. Seal as much of the car as possible and run a small DC motor to bilge whatever leaks through.
Presto! That's basically what the Vodnik is.
The 4WD will provide about 3 knots speed on calm waters, but if you get a truck just install an outboard motor in the rear and you can motor at 10 knots.
The only reason US military consistently fails to produce amphibious vehicles is a lack of imagination and economic incentive, if the Russians are doing it you can bet its piss easy and cheap to do.
>>651009
most of those trade ins were junk so someone in government actually invested money and auto mechanics to fix them up before passing them on to people who use the same trucks to run down entire crowds of people in europe…. try wrapping your brain around that!
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45550b No.651044
>>651016
>spoiler
Upon further inspection I have revealed the culprit.
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b628a6 No.651067
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c09a6e No.651078
>>650887
>>650949
ahhh, I missed the linear part and I was looking at the gif of the other engine backwards. Turns out the ICE drives exhaust gasses drive the turbine not the other way around.
Looks pretty neat
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14f468 No.651130
>>650885
>MOGAS and diesel
Diesel doesn't use spark plugs so it's good if anyone wants to fuck up your shit with an EMP as you don't need electricity for it to work.
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c09a6e No.651414
>>651130
That's a far fetch. Glow plugs still need electricity, so you would have to compression start your bike without a kickstarter somehow.
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a480d2 No.651456
>civilian market
>offroad
>recon
things not mentioned in this pic:
>redundancy in suspension
>climbs and traverses slopes >45 degrees
>high tow capacity on roads, minimum 5 tons
its about 150,000$ tho, compared to a <10 grand used truck. IMO this is the only reason we arent seeing these fast tracked vehicles pop up in PMCs and ISIS/hezbollah.
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a480d2 No.651457
>>651456
why is the image black? wtf
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aac4bd No.651484
>>649286
>but that's why you should have a cooling system with thermoelectric materials
>not using waste heat to power up heat engine generators
>>649309
>see alchemical lead-gold transfusion
this is just a metaphor for achieving higher state of existance
>>649340
>While I agree with both points, how do you plan to reconcile "tube frame" with "this bitch needs to displace water and remain buoyant"?
make the tires bouyant
another solution would be making just the lower chassis into a boat
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f7c4ec No.652722
Modern bicycle corps.. can it work?
>>651097
That's how I like my girlfriends
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1ea4d9 No.652723
No one has mentioned the Mahindra roxor. It's basically a direct copy of a CJ-5 but with a 4cylinder diesel. It's sold as a side-by-side, but many states allow them to be street plated. It comes limited to 45mph, but if you just disconnect the transmission speed sensor it'll do 65.
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0e405e No.654373
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6b4313 No.654402
>>651016
>most of those trade ins were junk so someone in government actually invested money and auto mechanics to fix them up
Never underestimate the CIA's ability to serve zog.
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a33e6f No.654521
Lets start with Statement Of Requirements (SOR).
That having been said, IMO this will diverge into "Lite Open" and "Heavy Enclosed".
I'll do HE:
4x4
Van shaped (livable, ambulance, tradesman, cargo hauling AND storage).
Hybrid drive with good engine off ability (stealth and powering aux systems)
No-nonsense utilitarian transformable body (goes without saying)
Optional amphibious kit.
About size of standard American full size van (2002 Ford Econoline 250) with kit option to make full standing head room AND/OR extended rear.
Tow hitch on back AND front Class III or better (carry 600lb motorcycle on front, or just tool boxes).
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2a1079 No.661074
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E-bikes have silent engines
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d76613 No.661263
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>>649127
>lightweight
>diesel
>can tow/haul
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d76613 No.661264
>>649127
BTW, if you want to know why the F-35 is such a steaming pile of shit, it's the engineers having to cope with this kind of conflicting laundry list of requirements and no way to tell the people in charge that they're idiots.
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a12edf No.661267
>>661264
I think the requirements I listed are much more feasible than what they're asking for the F-35.
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d76613 No.661270
>>649127
If you're willing to drop the speed and MPG, what you really want is a small diesel powered 4x4 tractor. Mechanically simple, easy to repair, can tow/haul, robust.
For recon and stealth, why do you need a wheeled vehicle at all when a drone can do most of what you want without exposing yourself to danger?
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d76613 No.661272
>>651414
Has anyone ever made a diesel powered motorbike? I can only imagine how heavy and slow it would be. I could see putting one into something like a Goldwing, that long distance tourer market might go for it just for the extra range.
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e62989 No.661276
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e62989 No.661278
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d9d68d No.661287
>>649127
Motorcycles or ATVs are still the best "recon and stealth" land vehicle. If you want it to be quiet, you could use an electric motor scooter, but it will only go a few miles before going kaput. I had one for a few years when I was like 13 and it was back-heavy enough that I could have easily put better tires on it for dirt roads/mountain trails and attached a light weapon to the front of it/re-mounted the headlights and use those ports to mount a gun.
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a33e6f No.661290
>>661287
I agree. I've wanted a super-quiet dual sport for just that.
but when I asked a few shops about an extra quiet muffler for a bike they all just looked at me like I had 3 eyes.
I'm surprised this is not more of a thing, being able to fire up a bike without waking up the whole ghetto.
I'd probably want a water cooled bike so I could add extra panels if needed, and because water cooled should be quieter to start with, and better for sneaking around at low speed without much airflow.
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e6201b No.661301
>>651046
>Cars showing up with isis sounds like a great plot for a dude where’s my car sequel
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a33e6f No.661303
I like the Wood Gas option.
in EOWAWKI even after all the other fuel has been sucked out of every tank, you should still be able to find various wood for a while.
I'm pretty sure the right Wood Gasser could make use of just about any oil from any plant source, such as grass seeds, peanuts, furniture, house frames, etc.
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b29f38 No.661892
Lada Niva is pretty much spot-on in that regard.
Pretty spartan car and has been produced for a long time now.
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875a95 No.661898
>>649127
Lightweight and towing are mutually exclusive.
Powerful motor and good mileage are mutually exclusive.
AWD and easy maintenance are mutually exclusive.
Going off-road and going over 100 are mutually exclusive.
Any surplus military utility vehicle will do the best job but it won't meet half the requirements. There's no such vehicle that would.
>>661287
Do you need to be as quiet as to approach the enemy to 200 meters rather than 2000 meters you'd do with a gas powered bike?
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da5b6a No.661963
>>652723
Aren't they made in India? I looked at one but I didn't want to drop $15k on something built by the street shitters.
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c98656 No.662243
I figure you need a good mechanic and a good driver to really get things going.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xewS5I4Eho
>>>/o/
>most popular cars by state
>PI laws by state/PI equipment
>depleted uranium armor
>interior/exterior lighting kill-switches
>tactical driving/rally courses
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c09a6e No.662887
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f75c6d No.662889
If you are an Amero nigger import a Toyota Heliux
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e0445e No.662893
>>652722
>audi
>not a belt drive with hub gears
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ef44f1 No.662928
>>662889
it is illegal to import a cat under 25 years old to the united states if it was not made to nhtsa certification.
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ef44f1 No.662929
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0d1c41 No.662930
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ef9127 No.663218
>>650834
><5km
Lol, it's a lot better than walking. Get more creative with distances.
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ff4114 No.663238
>>663218
I agree, a healthy cyclist can easily cover 100km in under a day on a comfortable bicycle. Also in an urban environment the bicycle is unmatched in maneuverability.
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7415e9 No.663276
>>661963
Yes, but have the official license to make modern Wilys jeeps, people are snapping them up and Mahindra is trying to find a way to make them street legal around the world.
In regards to other brands, Mahindra (India) and LDV/Tata seem to be making okay pickups/utes for rock bottom prices, for a basic vehicle they look great, but im worried about the rest.
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64375e No.663286
>>663238
Outclassed by an enduro motorbike.
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c40b77 No.663370
>>649127
>lightweight
725kg to 1088kg
>small
16-20 hands high on average (1.6-2.0 m approx)
>can go from 0-100km decently quick
Got to concede this one - draft horses are made for endurance and strength, not speed
>manual
Very
>AWD
Does all hoof drive count?
>off-road
What's a road?
>can haul a decent load
Literally what they're bred for, assuming you have a reasonably well built trap to hook up to them
>diesel
Even better, grass powered, your fuel is found scattered all over the ground for free
>easy to maintain and repair
Self repairing to some extent, and much less finicky/maintenance intensive than a hunter or thoroughbred
>at least 10 or 11 kilometers per liter
Hard to convert kg-grass/km to l-diesel/km, any suggestions?
>robust
Unless it gets shot or you try to do something stupid with it, sure.
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da5b6a No.663403
>>663276
I know they have the license to make Willys Jeeps, but what I want to know is if they're built to last. Them being built by Pahjeets is what calls this into question.
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88cca5 No.677568
How would a golden-age Mercedes or 90s Toyota fair in the apocalypse.
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6b47f2 No.677570
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>>649127
Fiat Panda Cross, but they don't sell them in the US AFAIK. It's the go to car for people living in the mountains in Europe (which villages streets were never meant for cars).
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88cca5 No.677571
>>677570
>modern Fiat
Can you speak from experience that they're good reliable cars and won't kill you in a crash.
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6b47f2 No.677572
>>649286
>You can use the electricity to power a propeller or water jet, and you if want to go off-road that much then you really shouldn't be a bridgecuck.
>>649340
>While I agree with both points, how do you plan to reconcile "tube frame" with "this bitch needs to displace water and remain buoyant"?
Why would it need too? Electric motors would be sealed and don't work on combustion, a battery big enough to sustain them for a few minutes and a good of road capability would mean you don't need it to float. You don't even need pump jets.
Amphibious is for pussies SUBMARINE car is where it's at.
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6b47f2 No.677574
>>677571
Well I never "crashed" in one if that's your question, I've rolled around in one of the old one when I was younger and the car had literally nothing except glass broken (not even all of them) and basic body damage.
I've got one of the new ones and it goes almost everywhere my Polaris goes. It's only "downside" is that it's small (but designed well enough you have proper room in 2 seats config. And it's not really a downside where I live but it's like 1/2 a Navarra, maybe less, to give you an idea) and it's less "comfy" to drive off-road (smaller and lighter = jump around more), the offset being it's "easier" (more maneuverable).
I've got it for over 2 years now and never had any issue personally (they did a recall over something, but they took in charge everything and everyone I talked seemed competent enough).
While the rest of the brand has a "colorful" reputation, the panda always had a stellar one (it's largely a niche thing for interior market, people forget but Italy is mostly mountains, it's the car for the rural Italian, the kind that won't hesitate to kidnap Fiat executives over his car trouble, so they're well done enough that a shitload of European, even Swiss, police use them as they have the same effectiveness as a big, proper and pricey, European 4WD like a Class G or a Defender).
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aed5d6 No.678359
>>649332
What about the added weight of adding all fo your bug out shit? I'm fixing to put a 1.6 Geotracker in mines. But I also want to carry a spare motorcycle/dual sport in the back.
>>662889
Toyota Tacoma's are practically the same thing, no point in buying and importing for the name change only.
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7644d2 No.678400
>>649332
I've a got a Suzuki Vitara, it's AWD (or 2 wheel for highways), a v6 engine, and it's amazing at 3 point turns in tight forest roads. I use it a lot for my forest inventory work. It squeezes right through ATV trails.
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