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There's no discharge in the war!

File: 527fbc659041fa5⋯.jpg (231.04 KB, 820x859, 820:859, Byzantine-map 650 period.jpg)

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8470d9  No.642523

What went wrong?

1d02e6  No.642524

Jews


88f6a8  No.642525

File: 15bbb8769f0ccd9⋯.jpg (203.96 KB, 585x883, 585:883, Inner Jihad.jpg)

>>642523

The Arabs simply did a lot of things right.


5e490b  No.642555

File: 9ff5a6281373c8d⋯.jpg (347.86 KB, 1300x995, 260:199, europe-map.jpg)

>>642523

Constantinople is in a really shitty place for a capital city.

Rome could built its Empire, because it was protected by mountains and the sea from all sides.

In addition the majority of the Land they owned was really shitty to support a huge civilization, but perfect for horse riding nomads without permanent home.

A modern map of the war would probably look like those from today's wars of the middle east, you have a few city and points that mean everything and between those cities and points is nothing but roads and desert.

Once they lost those points, the Byzantine Empire had not the resources to regain them.


63b8b7  No.642576

File: 7fd483eed15b8eb⋯.jpg (299.48 KB, 1264x972, 316:243, byzantines be mad.jpg)

Everything went right


016812  No.642587

>>642523

<What went wrong?

After the Byzantine–Sasanian wars, Byzantium was in a state of slow recovery. The army was tired and resources were low. Economy wasn't doing great either, which forced the empire to force heavier taxes on the people. What went wrong was a single massive clusterfuck, a single failure which by itself allowed the Arabs to conquer this much land. That miserable clusterfuck is the Battle of Yarmouk.

I can sum it up quickly, though I suggest you read up details yourself.

>Ara cavalry

>Worthless traitors

>Pussy roman prisoners giving away plans to the Arabs before the battle

>Incompetent generals fucking up and not finding ways to counter the arab cavalry

However

From 9th to 10th century the Byzantines fucked the Arabs in the ass and re-conquered a big part of what was originally lost, coming close to even reclaiming Jerusalem.

>>642576

>doesn't take economical situation into account

<heh u mad? ;)

Reminder that Polish people are even more retarded than literal chinks and niggers.

>Bolsheviks commit genocide on your people

>Germans are the only thing keeping those subhuman hordes away from you

>You chimpout like niggers and "resist" against the Germans, only to get BTFO by the military police, then claim "m-muh warcrime, they bombed our hospitals :(((" and then your women get mass-gangraped by angry sub 60 IQ soviets the moment they entered your nation

>After getting THIS eternally cucked you call soviets your "brothers"

>Years later you migrate to Germany to find better jobs and free gibs, and the average German now thinks of Polish as white niggers, no different than a turk.


016812  No.642592

File: d468b548ae476a0⋯.png (188.9 KB, 285x371, 285:371, 4.png)

>>642587

>Ara cavalry

ara ara


d8c07b  No.642593

>>642525

Not really. They, like the mongols and then the ottomans, took advantage of the fact that the byzantines had been fighting the parthian/sassanid empires for hundreds of years and had effectively expended most of their military efforts.

In reality the byzantine military was the most advanced in its day and age, fielding 250k professional, armored and well trained troops at nearly all times.

In comparison most feudal societies in medieval europe were fielding 20-30k mercenaries or part time fighters at most.


b0a141  No.642595

>>642587

You're replying to a jew troll btw.


63b8b7  No.642597

File: 86d39ad9e81f4e9⋯.jpg (36.54 KB, 400x541, 400:541, 1433637243001.jpg)

>>642587

>Bolsheviks commit genocide on your people

We won against Soviet Union in Polish-Bolshevik war

Germany lost again Soviet Union

:-)


8470d9  No.642598

>>642593

>the byzantine military was the most advanced in its day and age, fielding 250k professional, armored and well trained troops at nearly all times.

>most advanced military in its day and age

>BTFO by sub-80 IQ horse riders

Feels oddly familiar.


2638b2  No.642599

>>642597

Your shithole country has been conquered by both the Germans and the Russians several times over, your people are subhuman garbage and are only allowed to exist because you're useful tools of ZOG.

Cuck yourself some more poland.

Enjoy the filter.


28cf78  No.642601

The Greeks will vehemently deny it, but the rise of Islam was mostly the Byzantine empire's fault


79dbfe  No.642608

>>642555

>t. talking out of my ass

Rome was in such a shitty tactical position that they moved the capital several times in late antiquity, precisely because Rome itself was regarded as incredibly difficult to defend, whereas Constantinople was one of the best defended cities in the world.


1e4009  No.642630

>>642523

If you only have read about the 400 yeara non-stop wars between Byzantium and Persia, you would know exactly why and how the Arabs managed to do what they did.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine–Sasanian_wars

The last one was particularly a massacre to both sides, and this war represents the end of Classical Antiquity, the demise of the Aryan world (until the rise of Europe later) and a return to Semitism in the Middle East and North Africa.

>The devastating impact of this last war, added to the cumulative effects of a century of almost continuous conflict, left both empires crippled. When Kavadh II died only months after coming to the throne, Persia was plunged into several years of dynastic turmoil and civil war. The Sasanians were further weakened by economic decline, heavy taxation from Khosrau II's campaigns, religious unrest, rigid social stratification, and the increasing power of the provincial landholders. The Roman Empire was even more severely affected, with its financial reserves exhausted by the war, the Balkans now largely in the hands of the Slavs, Anatolia devastated by repeated Persian invasions, and the empire's hold on Syria, Mesopotamia, Palestine and Egypt loosened by many years of Persian occupation. Neither empire was given any chance to recover, as within a few years they were struck by the onslaught of the Arabs, newly united by Islam. The Sasanian Empire rapidly succumbed to these attacks and was completely destroyed. During the Byzantine-Arab Wars, the exhausted Roman Empire's recently regained southern provinces were also lost during the Muslim conquest of Syria, Egypt and North Africa, reducing the empire to a territorial rump consisting of Anatolia and a scatter of islands and footholds in the Balkans and Italy. These remaining lands were thoroughly impoverished by frequent attacks, marking the transition from classical urban civilization to a more rural, medieval form of society. However, unlike Persia the Roman Empire (in its medieval form usually termed the Byzantine Empire) ultimately survived the Arab assault, holding onto its residual territories and repulsing two Arab sieges of its capital Constantinople in 674 and 718.


016812  No.642634

>>642601

>the rise of Islam was mostly the Byzantine empire's fault

How?

>>642630

>BR has higher IQ than polish nigger, kraut and the burgers

If you're the same BR that claimed he was white then you have actually started to make me believe you.

>>642597

>we won 20 years before WWII so heh, it doesn't matter that in 1945 our women got gangbanged ;)


1e4009  No.642644

>>642634

>BR has higher IQ than polish nigger, kraut and the burgers

There are VPN shills here for a long time now.

>If you're the same BR that claimed he was white

Not me, I rarely post here on /k/

>then you have actually started to make me believe you.

There are many whites in Brazil, mostly in the Southern regions, where most are Italians (Northern Italians, not the Southern ones the USA got) and Germans. But racemixing has gone rogue here for centuries and anyone with a pre-20th immigration background is mixed, no matter how light featured such person is.

The official figures for Brazil's white population is about ~45%, but it's much closer to ~20% or less. There are many fake whites.


10b795  No.642688

>>642525

>The Arabs simply did a lot of things right.

Other than reproducing like roaches, not really. Byzantium wasn't anywhere near as pozzed as the post-(((renaissance))) West.


10b795  No.642690

>>642576

>no strength presented

Try harder, mehmet.


016812  No.642752

>>642690

>Try harder, mehmet

If she showed strength difference we would look even more pathetic I'm afraid. See Battle of Yarmouk


32d123  No.642753

>>642587

Do you have some kind of Stockholm Syndrome with Germany? You were their bitch in WW2 and still are.


016812  No.642759

>>642753

>You were their bitch in WW2

In WWII Hitler had no choice to invade because Italians fucked up and the British were intentionally sending troops to Greece to get his attention. They did nothing wrong.

>and still are

Commie politicians being given orders by Israel to intentionally fuck our economy doesn't count as "us".


827069  No.642760

>>642523

Trusting Catholics. Popery not even once.


e12927  No.642812

>>642523

>>642524

>Jews

It's an actual mystery how Egypt fell, especially Alexandria. The city had tall ramparts, supplies, a fortress networks and as a major port it could be resupplied infinitely as the byzantine had full control of the sea, the muslims had jack and shit as mean to breach it.

Yet it fell without fighting as the governor just apparently decided to yield the city to the muslims (which quickly executed him and everyone else important) in what could only have been either the worst tactical decision in the history of mankind, a miracle (Muslim official account) or some sort of inside job.


230c2d  No.642852

>>642823

gschweiggä di oida


10b795  No.642862

>>642812

>or some sort of inside job

(((geographical proximity)))


32d123  No.642870

>>642763

Oh no doubt we sucked the shit out of America's asshole, but if you tried to make me come up with a better foreign policy or defense strategy I would be hard-pressed.


c3525c  No.642881

>>642823

Funny talking about the truth gets you called anti-european.

Tell me, yid, how am I anti-european?

Oh wait, reported and filtered.


c3525c  No.642882

>>642870

How about self-reliance and making Austrialia into a regional naval power that can help out Japan and SEA in a pinch?

How about recognizing the obvious attempt of chinkification going right now with the chinks migrating en masse and building off land.

There is much to do in Australia.


28cf78  No.642896

>>642812

>>642634

Thanks to a series of incompetent and/or corrupt Patriarchs, Egypt and Syria both had a huge population of increasingly-angry heretics during Mohammed's day. Mohammed saw this and deliberately designed Islam to appeal to said heretics, allowing the Caliphate to convert its way across much of Egypt and giving them a substantial army of mostly Egyptian converts for when they finally encountered serious resistance. Alexandria seems to have been conquered by discretely converting a few inside men and getting them to persuade the governor into surrendering (probably through promises that they'd settle for a bit of ransom and booty like civilized people, or that they'd spare him if he promised to convert).


7a4890  No.642900

>>642870

> if you tried to make me come up with a better foreign policy or defense strategy I would be hard-pressed.

To be honest the best defense strategy would be to partner with us and go full naval dominance of the south pacific. I would actually like to see kiwi and aussie sailors sinking migrant boats on live TV.

>>642882

>How about recognizing the obvious attempt of chinkification going right now with the chinks migrating en masse and building off land.

We have the same problem here and to be honest the problem is so fucking easy to solve but it will never happen since it would sink the housing market which is currently in a massive bubble because of all the Chinese buying land. How you solve the problem is by taking a page out of the economic theories of Henry George and switching all tax to land value tax, and charging foreign land owners extra.


79dbfe  No.642931

>>642599

>being this mad about Poland

wew


39d8be  No.642933

>>642931

I'm not mad, it's just the truth m8.


b3ee2a  No.642945

File: 9d431f704652890⋯.png (522.9 KB, 600x900, 2:3, 9d431f7046528907e8182c89c6….png)

>>642599

>>642933

>the goyman reveals himself


1e8834  No.642947

>>642945

>implying he is wrong

>we are not all good goyim preparing for the last disarmament


39d8be  No.642948

>>642945

Nigger, I'm behind a fucking VPN.


39d8be  No.642959

File: ad95e3b24b03a98⋯.gif (1.33 MB, 320x240, 4:3, ^^.gif)

>>642957

>That flag

>That post


39d8be  No.642965

File: 06f6bbfc7502ed9⋯.png (45.79 KB, 314x346, 157:173, 06f6bbfc7502ed97473b63aed0….png)

>>642963

Stay triggered cuckboy.


1e8834  No.642970

>>642957

>>642963

>off topic

<as he spams "fake krauts"

I thought fake kraut was singular.


f05d40  No.643505

>>642970

In the thread, alone there are plenty of fake krauts i.e. kikes under German VPN.

They think the german VPN somehow hides their kikery.


f05d40  No.643506


230c2d  No.643517

File: 4a692ee7127e84a⋯.png (695.44 KB, 994x738, 497:369, 4a6.png)

>>643512


10b795  No.643519

>>643517

Haven't watched JoJo once but still got that reference.


023e3a  No.643521

>>643506

>>643506

Yeah, how about you fuck off, cretin.


f05d40  No.643523

>>643521

t. kike


023e3a  No.643526

File: f0ed9a0d462183c⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image, 576.17 KB, 1080x2220, 18:37, Screenshot_20190123-083626….jpg)


94e94b  No.643530

>>643526

So I meant the OTHER fake kraut that literally admitted he's in VPN.


023e3a  No.643535

>>643530

Your IP resetted again, cretin.


230c2d  No.643538

>>643535

Ignorier den einfach.

>>643519

Watch it, it is manly and they are all my body goals


f2516e  No.643619

File: b373fa790708afa⋯.png (614.86 KB, 1000x640, 25:16, D74433F2-6759-4142-8B54-2B….png)


95ec8e  No.643882

File: 0c2478c0f5cbd60⋯.png (657.13 KB, 625x632, 625:632, Ράντι Πιρούνι.PNG)

>>642523

Everything. The Byzies were always the sacrificial lions when warfare changed.

The Arab armies were like nothing either the Byzies or the Sassanids had ever seen. Large, extremely organized and mobile armies led by extremely competent generals and dominated by cavalry, consistently dabbed on the even larger, but far more clunkier infantry dominated Sassanid and Byzantine armies in the pitched battles that they always got tricked on falling into.

Yes, both empires were exhausted attacking each other like dogs, but they still had the resources to fight.

Another, often overlooked, factor is the fact that the semitic populations in Mesopotamia, the Levant and Egypt had gotten tired of the constant Roman-Sassanid shitflinging and corruption and were eager to change sides on a whim.


973e4b  No.643979

>>643882

Turkophile traitor detected.


95ec8e  No.645325

>>643979

You either learn from your own mistakes, or waddle in the shitpile caused by them for centuries.

This is the issue with this shithole, no one ever wants to learn from them. You can only call people who accept this reality buzzwords. Shitdog.


bd258e  No.645329

>>645325

>muh superior sandniggers

Keep crying, Ahmud.


89f357  No.645377

>>645329

>>643979

Dude, he's right. Byzantium failed to adapt when the durkas arrived and caused an out-of-context problem. Such problems are the cause of death of many or most empires and nations, sad to say, mostly because they fail to see they cannot deal with the situation the way they did every other issue.


d8c07b  No.645388

>>643882

>"nothing like the byzies or the sassanids had ever seen"

>"large armies dominated by calvalry"

Oh you mean exactly like the parthians which lost their capital to the Romans three times over?

Get off your greek proxy, abdul.


d8c07b  No.645389

>>645377

>failed to adapt

>invent greek fire and waste entire arabic armadas

The greeks honestly did pretty good against the arabs. It was the mongols and subsequently the turks that got them; and that's mainly do to having a bad ruler who couldn't pay for the crusades he was ordering.


3d4518  No.645390

>>645377

>Persian Empire had collapsed into civil war and dynastic struggles

>ERE was completely exhausted and only maintained only token garrisons in Jerusalem and Alexandria

>muh Arab conquests sweeping the world

At best, it was a bunch of clients opportunistically moving into a power vacuum, at worst it's historical fiction created hundreds of years after the fact.


016812  No.645400

File: c703afa8195086a⋯.png (65.73 KB, 800x600, 4:3, Turkposters.png)

>>643882

>How do you do my fellow Greek anonymous chan users? You see, the thing about the Arabs is, they were kangz and superior in every way. Byzantines literally cannot compete, the great Arabian cavalry will defeat all!

ARABIA WORLD 1 POWER 2022 TURAN!!!!!!


016812  No.645401

>>645377

>Dude, he's right

We fucked the Arabs in the ass in the end


5d6ee9  No.645419

>>643882

>Large, extremely organized and mobile armies led by extremely competent generals and dominated by cavalry, consistently dabbed on the even larger, but far more clunkier infantry dominated Sassanid and Byzantine armies in the pitched battles that they always got tricked on falling into.

Cavalry is neat, but means shit in actual medieval combat if your overall strategies and tactics are terrible. See the Battle of Agincourt.

Europeans commonly employed armies dominated by Infantry to beat the shit out of Arabs and Muslims and in the end of that the entire Muslim world became nothing but parts of European Colonies.

The actual problem of Muslim armies in medieval times was that they were basically moving chimpouts, the vanguard of their armies was always several bands of slave hunters and looters. To beat them they basically had to find a way of dealing with scorched earth policy.


8460af  No.645425

Arabian cavalries were nothing special, 10K strong crusader knights regular beat them, in their own fucking game.

The problem, as always, is in-fighting and disorganizational.

The arabs squabbled among themselves until they united Saladin, there was no such figure for the crusaders and byzantines.

Richard the Lionheart COULD have been if he didn't play politics and ends up fighting other europeans in the Holy land.


8460af  No.645426

>>645425

>until they united under Saladin*


f4d87c  No.645428

>>645377

>survived for centuries

>failed to adapt

???


77b364  No.645486

Have you listened to the history of Byzantium podcast, OP? I recommend that you do if you're interested in this time-period.

Basically the size of the Byzantine empire at the end of the war against the sassanids occludes what shitty position they actually were in. A few key points that people commonly misunderstand explain why the arabs could snatch so much area in just a half century:

>Imperial cohesion

Many people look at historical maps like the one in the OP and assume that the countries or empires that they're looking at are homogenous and unitary states when they were in effect loose federations of different peoples with different economic, cultural, and geographic dispositions. One of the key reasons Constantine pushed christianity as hard as he did was that it was basically the only unifying force he saw that the entire empire could have in common.

Many people see the dissolution of the Western empire in terms of a foreign conquest by migrating barbarian tribes, which the state, as well as the people, struggled against up until the very end. In reality many regions welcomed the invaders because the increasingly centralised Roman state kept levying higher and higher taxes while at the same time failing to uphold their obligations toward the periphery of the empire. Not only were they failing to defend the borders in a military sense, they were also neglecting local administration; being a local town leader was basically a dead-end career by the 5th century. In effect, the social contract was broken and the invaders offered better deals.

The same thing happened in the East, especially after the fall of the West. The economic burden of the empire increasingly fell on the cities of the levant and Egypt. Greece and Anatolia were basically flyover states at this point, and while Constantinople was the largest city in the Western hemisphere, most of its population was dependent on the grain and wine dole coming in from Alexandria.

This bred discontent in the populations actually forced to pay the brunt of imperial taxes, it didn't help that they were also the most heavily populated areas outside Constantinople as well and therefore had to supply most of the recruits for the army and navy.

Come the last Sassanian war, the East Roman social contract was broken. The levant and parts of Egypt came under sassanian rule for a whole generation. Heraclius (the emperor at the time) was obliged to have the church melt down their precious metal decorations in order to fund one last army which just barely managed to kick out the sassanids after twenty years of continous campaigning.

A consequence of this is that an entire generation had grown up in the levant used to a different government than the roman state, and didn't really take kindly to when the romans came Rolling back in and started to demand the same taxes as they had received half a century earlier.

>Arabs not assimilating conquered populations

This played an immense role when the Arabs came ten years later. After the Yarmouk, most towns in the levant basically opened their gates to them. The opinion at the time varied from "they're just desert raiders and the roman army will soon be here and kick them out again" to "fuck the romans".

The arab state (if it can even be called that) was much more decentralized than the roman counterpart, and they barely interfered in the day to day business of conquered areas. They even kept to themselves and housed their soldiers and imported populations in newly created garrison towns outside the main settlements, so the conquered peoples didn't even see their conquerors.

In the beginning the arabs didn't even force conversions or apply jizya, they. instead allowed most people to keep being christians. There are moderns scholars who argue that Islam at this point wasn't even formed as a coherent religion, and rather just a branch of Judeo-Christianity.

This initial reluctance to interfere greatly increased local acceptance of the new regime and allowed the arab armies to focus on keeping the rape train going rather than put down brewing revolts.


77b364  No.645487

>>645486

>Byzantine military superiority

The common idea of the Romans at war is the disciplined legion advancing with shields locked and methodically stabbing at everything in front of them until the battle was done. By the end of the 5th century (and especially after Attilla) this strategy and focus on infantry as the main battle line had mostly disappeared. Instead the army was focused around a core of veteran horsemen with the line being held by levied militia, with barbarian auxiliaries making up the difference in times of need. The romans didn't have the population to support the attritional warfare of high antiquity nor the money to support standing armies. As such, the loss of a single army was a much harder blow to the state than it had once been (they lost three legions in the Teutoburg forest without even flinching but suffered a total collapse after a single army was lost at the yarmouk). This operational weakness was evident even before the wars against the arabs began, as enemies the romans had earlier kicked around without much trouble suddenly became very dangerous, see the Sassanids and the Lombards.

Finally, adding to this general weakness of the armies was the inherited trouble of Italy that the emperors of the 7th century had to deal with. Justinian had reconquered large parts of the peninsula in the 6th century for the only reason that it looked cool on the map. But just as when they later came rolling back in the levant, most of the "liberated" population weren't too keen on being back under the heavily taxed roman yoke. Add to this that they never really cleared Italy out of ostrogoths and Lombards and as such were forced into a low-intensity conflict that raged constantly. The weakened army was therefore forced to garrison territories of dubious economic value over in Italy, while the few people left in the East were getting completely stomped by first the Sassanids, and then by the Arabs.

>Byzantine population

Just as the size of the empire is misleading about its economic and military prowess, it is also misleading about its population. As mentioned, most of Greece and Anatolia was flyover country at this time, and most of the population either lived in Constantinople or the cities of the levant. The Balkans were basically dead territory after the migration period with packs of feral slavs raping and killing Everything in sight.

The general population made a slight recovery after the fall of the Western empire, but most of this was erased either by Justinians wars, or by the justinian plague which beset the empire continously during the middle of the 6th century. Constantinople lost almost half of its population, and one can assume that the number was about the same in the other great cities of the empire. This weakened population then had to contend with the continous wars that both Justinian and his successors were forced into, mainly against the people of Italy and the Sassanids.

At the end of the last great war the empire was exhausted militarily, economically and demographically. There was no faith in the state, there was no money to pay for the state, and there were no soldiers to defend the state. This is why the arabs had such an easy time taking half the empire.

Wrote this on my shitty old Surface 2 so apologizing for any weird spellings or sentences. But hope it answers your question, OP.


422309  No.645488

>>645487

>>645486

Thanks for this, with this kind of situation, it's amazing that Constantinople stood until 1453.

The fact it's lost is still a shame nonetheless.


b0a141  No.645567

>>645489

hello history-forgery jewpig


3feec6  No.657325

Byzantium was a joke, nothing but shitskins LARPing as romans


1c1e9d  No.657429

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

This channel does a nice job going into the details and politics involved with the time period, telling you WHY things (likely) happened the way they did.


4636d2  No.657452

The 4th crusade went full retard


cea3ac  No.657620

>>645487

This Varangians knows his shit. Both described weakness, that he forgot to mention are strongly correlated, still reflect on Modern Greece' military and demographics. For example, today the countryside is full of slavic toponyms, villages of albanophone ancestry and "Vlach" practically translates to "redneck". Only islands kept pure Greek population (with the exception of Cyprus, Crete, Euboea and a lesser extent Rhodes, primarily due to their size, due to continental Balkanians' lack of maritime culture and the islands' innermost being in close proximity to the sea and the urban centers formed around ports. I'll have to point out though that Greeks were largely urbanized long before Byzantium and well into the pre-Classical City-States' era during which the countryside was full of pre-Hellenic autochthones and pre-Doric Peloponnesian powerhouses (Mycenae, Achaia, Messene, Arcadia) had become largely irrelevant due to their decentralization leaving only Sparta, Corinth and Argos on the historical scene. Also note Macedonia's and Hepirus' relative irrelevance all the way up to the later classical era due to their decentralized non-urban demographics. Throughout its history the Greek mainland was a huge gap between cities, bays and intresspassable mountaintops.


cea3ac  No.657623

>>645419

>The actual problem of Muslim armies in medieval times was that they were basically moving chimpouts, the vanguard of their armies was always several bands of slave hunters and looters.

That was actually the case all the way up to late Ottoman Empire times, even if it was more sporadic. That's how Murka got cucked into denying their God with the Treaty of Tripoli.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_slave_trade




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