958e0d No.600489 [View All]
Because we all like to be a texas res or a ranger with a big iron on our hips every so often.
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c6f184 No.641919
>>641918
Case probably wouldn't have enough strength to not blow up in the gaps through which links connect. It could also cause a chain reaction, igniting other cartridges. Moonclip holds the cartridges on their rim so that doesn't happen, there's probably a reason for that.
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bcfa88 No.651782
I'm a gun virgin with $500 to spend, which revolver would you recommend?
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7d1605 No.651795
>>638783
>one of the fuddest types of firearm banned
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3af8e2 No.651798
>>651782
>500 buckaroos
Depends entirely on what you want out of your prospective wheelgun. if yout want something utilitarian that you can plink, small game hunt, defend or offend with, i'd recommend either a +p rated .38 or a cheaper .357. There's quite a bit of those for under $500. Charter Arms is probably one of the best makers though. However, if you can find one i would say fuck all that noise and get you an old model 10. Old Smith and Wessons are in my opinion the greatest guns I've ever had the privilege of owning. which is why i'll say avoid new Smith and Wesson like the plague. Canted barrels, fucked up forcing cones and timing so loose you'd think it was a child prostitute in Bangkok. you don't even need a feeler gauge to tell that a new Smith is going to have a cylinder gap of over .008. Hell, Smith will tell you .012 is within acceptability when i could pull a model 10 from 60 years ago and it'll be no more than .004.
Since your budget is decent enough i won't recommend, Taurus. they work but that's about it. I did however buy an 85 a few months ago and have been very surprised with it. i'm still salty that it worked better than the the 3 different M&Ps i bought. Seriously what the fuck?
Barrel length is going to be a personal choice, but i'm partial to 4" guns, especially if i'm buying a .38. For some reason, most manufacturers market self defense ammo in the .38 special that only works well in longer barrels. If you absolutely need something that'll fit into your gym shorts, carry semi wadcutters. Preferably FBI load semi wadcutters.
If you think you're a big boy and need to go big bore, for the last 10 or so years .44 special has made a bit of a comeback, it's the precursor to .44 mag. Charter arms has a line of under 500 guns chambered in it.
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86c3dc No.651804
>>651798
>Smith & Wesson so shitty ecks dee
I have an S&W 686 with a few years on it, no internal lock. It's the nicest revolver I've ever handled and was willing to actually abuse. I buy Underwood 125gr bonded JHP for defensive and hunting ammo, 1700-1750 ft/s, and I haven't noticed any abnormal gas blow-by with it. The timing is better than some Rugers and pretty much any non-grandpa Colt I've handled, very little wiggle room at all. If I cock back the hammer for single action I can keep an inch group at 10 meters. Where are you getting your information from? Is this just shilling?
Also, .38 Special is literally inferior to 9mm Parabellum, why would you ever recommend this? The only way to achieve similar or better performance is to run it through a dedicated .357 Magnum pistol so you don't damage the gun, and even then you're spending a lot of money and pushing the limits for no reason when you should really just be using something that isn't a 120 year old black powder cartridge. I'm seriously questioning your experience, man.
>.44 Special
That's even weaker than the .38, you fucking mongoloid. At the very least use .44-40 Winchester if you want to LARP as a cowboy or a 1920s detective, because that round actually has higher loading tolerances than .44 Magnum.
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3af8e2 No.651815
>>651804
>I have an S&W 686 with a few years on it, no internal lock.
Congrats, you found a working gun. want a cookie?
>Where are you getting your information from? Is this just shilling?
Personal experience bub, as previously mentioned, i had 3 separate M&Ps spit lead within the first 200 rounds. Shitty fucking RIA's don't even do this. but I've also rejected a gun at the dealer because of a crack in the forcing cone. Go ahead and try to rationalize this but 4 fucked guns in a row is enough for me to never go near your hot garbage again.
>Also, .38 Special is literally inferior to 9mm Parabellum, why would you ever recommend this?
Yes, it is the same size and (generally) same weight bullet going a little slower depending on the load, but if you seriously think .38 special is anemic by any metric you're functionally retarded. more men have been put in the dirt with a .38 than dicks you've sucked this week. It is a perfectly usable cartridge. to say otherwise tells me you don't actually know as much as you think you do. i also don't think you actually read what i posted, i only made one specific recommendation and that's for the older Model 10. because it's one of the best made guns i've ever owned. the only reputable double action .357s under 500 are the previously mentioned charter arms. .357 rugers, smiths, dan wessons and colts. are all 600 and up. get off your fucking shill horse and read nigger.
>the "+P will blow up your gun" meme
if your gun is rated for it, it will have no problems using it. it only has the risk of slightly lowering overall round count before needing servicing if you only shoot +p through it. but it's the difference between a gun shooting 4000 rounds before getting a rework to a gun to going 5000 rounds before a rework. +P is not for plinking. if you only shoot it for training and defensive use you will be fine. but i can tell you've never put more than 1000 through a gun.
>That's even weaker than the .38, you fucking mongoloid
In what fucking universe you cum swilling faggot? any of the defensive loads are throwing a 180gr bullet at 1000 fps + or - 50 depending on weather and chronograph variability. that's a larger heavier bullet going faster than any standard weight .38 special +p. only the retardedly anorexic 90 to 110 grain loads go faster but they still don't keep up in the energy department.
I swear to fucking god you armchair faggots who are married to your pet brand are the worst
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1fa4e3 No.652231
good of place as any: just picked up a pair of S&W 642s.
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05254f No.659629
Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.
This 4 part series is quite good. Vid related shows and describes how the Chiappa Rhino works.
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7fd316 No.664604
Looking at kikepedia, the standard loaf of a .45-70 can propel a 300 grain projectile with a velocity of 2,069 ft/s, and the .460 S&W can do 2,060 ft/s with the same weight. But the test barrel for the .45-70 is 24" long, and for the .460 it's just 8.375". Is the .460 superior then? There is also a strong load for the .45-70 with a velocity of 2,275 ft/s; but I suspect that the .460 would do just as well with a 24" barrel, even without changing the amount of powder in it.
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8ecf92 No.664672
>>664604
.460 S&W is loaded with fast burning pistol powders that will offer little benefit at long barrel lengths in comparison to slower burning powders with lower peak pressures. .45-70 also has much greater case capacity, meaning that in a rifle that can take it, it can be loaded much hotter without exceeding the pressure limits of the case. .45-70 is also typically loaded with a 405 grain bullet and 450 is not uncommon, offering penetration and hydrostatic shock potential that are unmatched due to the heavier bullet's much greater momentum.
Look up load data from real shooters. .45-70 is capable of far more than what the mainstream ammo producers make of it, because they're paranoid about fudds blowing up ancient Springfield Trapdoors with smokeless powder loads. 3500 ft-lbs is well within achievable range with a strong rifle.
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96d5de No.665932
Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.
I know that this video is pure faggotry, but I want to know if there is even a modicum of truth in the claim that lever action rifles are slower than bolt action firearms.
>>664672
So it's an old cartridge that is still held back by the old rifles it was designed for.
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d376c3 No.665935
>>665932
If you're comparing them with a bolt action with a stripper clip guide, they are absolutely slower to load. I shot lever guns a few times, and found them awkward to cycle, but I think someone experienced could cycle them as fast as you could a bolt action.
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c6f184 No.665939
>>665932
You can cycle lever actions faster than bolt actions, for sure, as well as not lose the sight picture in the process. Pump action would be even faster still, but it's heavier, bulkier and is also more front-heavy.
In terms of reloading mags go first, stripper clips go second, then revolver clips, than manual loading, with revolvers, being a bit faster than bolt actions and lever(pump) actions which are somewhat similar.
A lever action is by no means an optimal choice and a bolt action is cheaper, a lot longer range and versatility but i'd take a lever action or pump action for shorter ranges over it, with the former one if i was going to carry it around and shoot for fun as well, while the latter if we'd be going full tactical for manual action.
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0ce028 No.665952
>>665935
>I think someone experienced could cycle them as fast as you could a bolt action
I want to see someone do a magdump this fast with a bolt action
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3af8e2 No.665956
>>665932
It's a matter of experience. Someone who doesn't use a lever action rifle much will always pussyfoot the lever and stuggle with it. It's the same with autofags who ride the slide instead of just letting it go. once you gain confidence with one you can cycle them retardedly fast.
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2d2e12 No.665958
>>665932
>.45-70
In short, yes. I kinda want to see Remington-Keene reproductions, since those were strong rifles (with an amazing 10-round capacity), or maybe someone can design a box magazine gun to use it. .45-70 Automatic in AR-10s when?
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c6f184 No.665959
>>665958
>.45-70 Automatic in AR-10s when?
Quite a while ago, actually, and in AR15 platform as well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.458_SOCOM
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a6b343 No.665960
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3af8e2 No.665962
>>665958
>I kinda want to see Remington-Keene reproductions,
It's not the same, but there are dudes converting Mosins to 45-70.
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01f0c0 No.666001
>>665962
Seen a few SMLE conversions to .45-70 myself. though I've heard speak of converting a m1a over to said cartridge
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7d83da No.666009
>>666001
I'd like to see an M1A converted to 458 win mag. There are conversions available for M1 Garands in the caliber.
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1b1122 No.666011
>>666001
It was pretty popular with the boatloads of SMLEs that used to exist. Now most of them are already chopped up.
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3525d9 No.666032
>>632645
yes and no. Puma 1873 is Army Colt clone in 22lr, but grips seem very small to my large adult hands.
IIRC, average height/size of Americans grew a lot from 1873 to 1973
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b801c8 No.666038
>>665962
there's also a bunch of Siamese contract mausers that have been converted to 45-70 floating around as well.
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84a364 No.666226
>>637772
The Danny Devito of revolvers.
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f5ba25 No.666715
This is the greatest handgun ever made.
The colt single action army.
Six bullets.
More than enough to kill anything that moves
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968cd0 No.666716
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7a564d No.666909
>>613431
>>615984
Good taste, fren. I raise you one lewd album dump of the aftercare from a romp at the range with my identical gun.
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7a564d No.666910
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7a564d No.666911
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7a564d No.666912
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7776cc No.666917
>>666038
Due to them being bolt action, they can take a hell of a lot hotter loads than most leverguns ever can. 500 grains of lead at 1800fps, anyone?
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4a6704 No.666949
What is the relationship between the diameter of the cylinder and the amount of cartridges it can hold? Or to be more direct, how many .347 Magnum cartridges can a cylinder "sized for" .45 Colt hold? Six? I've also read about revolvers that originally came out as six-shooters, but later got seven-shot variants. Do they usually use a bigger cylinder, or it has the same diameter but made of a stronger steel?
And for shit and giggles: how gigantic would be a 10-shot .357 Magnum cylinder, and how many .45 cartridges could it hold?
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479948 No.667088
>>666949
The original 357 Magnum revolver was the N frame S&W, also known then as the 44 frame because it was purposely built for the 44 Special, it was also used for the 45 ACP in World War One as their version of the 1917 revolver, and later the Model 25 was introduced as a 6 shot 45 Colt variation of the N frame. My M27, like the original 357 magnum, only holds 6 rounds. BUT, the same 6 shot 45 Long Colt cylinder is now used to make specialty 8 shot 357 magnum cylinders. So, the answer is 8.
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de8994 No.670767
So I just had a neat idea pop in my head after watching the FW overview of The Silent Destroyer. I've always thought the De Lisle Carbine was a great idea lacking execution due to the constraints placed on it during development. The Silent Destroyer partially addresses some of the core problems with the De Lisle, namely the modified, rear locking action originally designed for a full length cartridge. That got me thinking though and I realized that even TSD was a compromised design in many aspects.
Both of these weapons fit a particular and unique purpose, that of a truly silent weapon for special forces to dispatch sentries in the opening stages of a raid. So what would an ideal weapon fit for this purpose look like? For one, it must be truly silent, precluding the use of an autocycling action and requiring the use of a subsonic cartridge/load. It must be light and offer exceptional handling, ideally with ergonomics that make it naturally easy to "point" (like a good field shotgun) as targets present themselves fleetingly and often unexpectedly. The action must also be quick to cycle for the same reasons. It doesn't need an enormous ammo capacity but ~5 rounds is too few. Finally, it must be compact and "smooth" enough to carry on one's back so that they can also carry another weapon better suited to a firefight should one break out. Losing one team member by having them carry this as their one firearm is not ideal.
So what is a fast-cycling, naturally ergonomic, compact style of firearm on which we can base such a design? The good old fashioned lever action of course! Start with something like the Big Horn Armory Model 89 chambered in .500 S&W Magnum, cut the barrel down to ~6", use a faster twist rate (1 in 24 is too slow for a subsonic load), and design a suppressor that can evelope the tube magazine (use a collet/flange on the end that can turn separate from the suppressor itself to thread it on).
Now you're slinging 7+1 rounds of 500gr (or up to 700gr for hard cast bullets) thumpers with nearly as much energy as full power 7.62x39 (~1,300ft-lbs of energy for 500gr @ 1,100fps), all in absolute silence. Not only that, but the quick cycling action that comes with something designed for short, pistol length cartridges means you can chamber rounds fast enough to deal with any threat.
Thoughts? Personally, I think this is a really neat way to make lever actions militarily relevant again as nothing else can do this better.
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264d06 No.670828
>>666917
Swear my reloading book has a load like that.
>>670767
Use a madsen style magazine mounted on the right and have the gun eject left. No need for the magtube anymore aside from the bit needed for the foregrip.
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28fcbe No.670856
>>670767
>>670767
>evelope the tube magazine
Or just use a concentric design and turn it 180°.
But your idea is something all the rich fudds already did. Nothing wrong tho, absolutely baste.
But I'm partial to this
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22e39d No.670859
Question from an illiterate retard
Autorevolvers: what the fuck are they and why would anyone want one (aside from cool factor)
I know the webly was one, and that's like the only one i can think of that actually saw any military use
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28b111 No.670875
>>670859
Regular revolvers come in two major flavors: Double Action (DA) and Single Action (SA). SA requires that the hammer be pulled back manually before each shot, which also rotates the cylinder, those are (generally) the kind you see in older times. DA revolvers incorporate the hammer pull-back and cylinder rotation into the trigger pull. The downside to this is that DA revolvers have a much 'longer' trigger pull, which can have a negative effect on your aim. Alternatively, most DA revolvers allow you to manually pull the hammer back, which functionally makes your next shot the same as a SA.
Autorevolvers solve this issue by including a slide, which performs the pull-back and rotation with the force of the recoil. The exchange for this is the added complexity, as you've got more moving parts in the mix. Apart from the Webly there's also the Mateba Autorevolver, which you can get if you have three grand laying around.
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083f7d No.670884
>>670767
Pump action is another contender. It's also pretty straightforward to make an AR style bolt work as a pump action or straight-pull bolt action.
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083f7d No.670885
>>670767
>>670884
A simple way to do this would be take a rifled 12ga pump gun, cut it down, add a suppressor, and load subsonic 1.5-2 oz slugs.
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22e39d No.670887
>>670875
But why would you want an autorevolver if it has the complexity, if not more, of a semiauto?
For magnum style rounds that don't really work well in semis?
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28b111 No.670890
>>670887
While I'm not certain and in fact slightly doubtful, I think you can simply pull the trigger again and go to the next chamber if you happen to get a dud round. At that point you'd be firing DA, but it would be better than having to rack the slide. Of course if I'm wrong then you would have to, but I don't know enough about them to be sure.
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3af8e2 No.671096
>>666715
Skeeter Skelton should be required reading.
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94f3cd No.673167
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>>670887
You have to remember that when the Webley was introduced, then most self-loading pistols only had single-stack magazines that held 6-8 cartridges. A revolver is not that bad compared to that, especially if you consider that they usually fired more powerfull cartridges. The only autorevolver of any significance is the Webley-Fosbery, and if you have to chose between that and the Webley Automatic, then it's just 6 shooter against a 7+1 weapon. That +1 doesn't count after the first reloading, therefore realistically you will only get a single additional shot from the self-loader. The Webley-Fosbery can use the Webley's speed loader, and it doesn't need its own special ammunition, and those two together might be more than enough to convince a British officer to go for the autorevolver.
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94f3cd No.673170
>>673167
>when the Webley was introduced
I mean the Webley-Fosbery.
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420fbc No.684027
I have a Rossi 92 I just bought and after taking it apart I can't reassemble it because the holes for the bolt stop/lever pin don't line up. What do?
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39c1f7 No.684574
Anyone know anything about Taylor's & Co revolvers? Was looking at a Ruger Vaquero on Bud's and a couple nice looking Taylor's popped up that are cheaper than the 5.5" 357 Ruger
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c03417 No.684599
>>684027
Made the same mistake when I had mine years ago. I remember it took me a few weeks to get it back together. Admittedly I didn't and still don't know how to effectively read mechanical diagrams, but it seems like the 92's diagram is particularly shitty as it omits a few of the items in it's list. Here's the site I'm referencing for the diagram; https://marauder.homestead.com/files/Rossi_92_Parts.htm
I ca't remember any specific details off the top of my head. If you could post pictures of what exactly it is causing you problems I may be able to recall. It sounds like you're having difficulty aligning the lever itself. It's difficult to describe and tricky to do. I had to watch and rewatch this video a dozen times before I got it.
https://youtu.be/k6T3X_KWfaY
The real bitch is getting the mainspring back together. Had to enlist the help of a friend because the tension was so high and I was sick of having the bitch sitting in the garage.
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644f3f No.684600
>>684599
>The real bitch is getting the mainspring back together.
If you put pressure on the hammer that relieves the spring tension, and there's a hole on the hammer tail which you can stick a small trim nail, pin, needle, etc in. It's only like 1/16"- so it can be kind of a trick, but once you have that in place the spring is captive and you can manipulate the hammer and trigger frame however you want. Having the mainspring squished down like that also relieves the tension of the hammer from the bolt which can make pulling the lever out easier. Just pop it out after you've reassembled the rear end and you're good to go.
It would help if Rossi would give people the damn disassembly instructions in the manual. It's identical to a Winchester 1892 but that doesn't mean it's common knowledge to anybody.
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